What is a good book on female sexuality? I want to learn

>>9861268

if youre only interested in exploiting and using women, just pick up any PUA book.

>>9861279
Nah, I'm genuinely interested in their POV.

>>9861268
>>9861279
pornhub.com

Intercourse, Andrea Dworkin

The Epic of Gilgamesh.

Women don't know what they want.
No such book exists, maybe if it was written by a particularly experienced man

>>9861293
Thanks!

Otto Weininger, Sex & Character
Arthur Schopenhauer, On Women

The most important thing to understand about women is that they are 100% consumed by their sexuality, except for them it is entirely sublimated into social behaviors, much moreso than it is for men.

Once you realize that they are basically in Mate Selection mode every second of every day, and that their perception of reality itself is colored by their maternal responsibility and their fluctuating hormones and shit, it makes them a lot easier to understand. And to pity. Effectively, nothing they do is "real," it's all in service of getting preggers by a powerful man. Their personalities, their little life-stories about how they're a brave powerful womyn with ambitions and goals, all of it is mimicry of male life-stories until they find a worthy penis. The fire that makes some men become Napoleon doesn't exist in women, and paradoxically, because they can't know what that fire feels like, they can't quite understand that they don't have it.

They're kind of like big children.

>>9861307
I was going to say that my cousin isn't this way but then I remembered that she has known she was barren since she was a preteen.

Ecrits
Anorexia and Mimetic Desire
Gender Trouble
The Kristeva Reader

>>9861283
I'm not gonna lie. This is the gayest shit I have ever read.

>>9861493
This might seem like bait, but there's some truth to that.

>>9861493
>>9861504
Even Neil Strauss's "The Game" from 2005 makes that joke.

>>9861509

I was gonna mention this. Is it worth a read, even if I don't plan on using it to try to exploit women?

scum manifesto

Sade

>>9861511

I think it's great but I wouldn't follow it by the letter of the law. I honestly read it like a self help book: one that gives good insight into how being a happy, fun person naturally attracts others.

>>9861520
kek

Your best bet would be to read the type of books that women read.
So stuff like Twilight, 50 Shades of Grey, and Harry Potter.

>>9861268
What makes ladies tick is the post-coital lick;)

>the game
>Models
>How to win friends and influence people

> I want to learn what makes ladies tick.

Men with attractive faces
/thread

>>9861620
Don't forget tall.

>>9861578
the old lickaroo?

>>9861626
Well remembered.

Men with attractive tall faces.
/thread

>>9861626
with money

>>9861638
with a thick dick,

>/lit/ is filled with bitter manchildren upset that girls dont like them

somehow I'm not surprised

>>9861651
>Im grill btw :^)

>>9861671
who hurt you anon

>>9861677
I'm just memeing m'lady.

>>9861651
>somehow I'm not surprised

No fucking shit, we're on 4chan you absolute moron

>>9861647
why thick and not big, long, etc.? do you know from personal experience, roastie?

>>9861651
>you can't say anything negative about women otherwise you are a bitter virgin

Typical female denial of any criticism, but somehow I'm not surprised.

>>9861703
Too long just hurts, it's the thickness that makes them feel full.

>>9861713
Ha, so I was correct. Only somebody with a quite a dick mileage would specify this, last person that I know who said something similar was a pornstar

>>9861731
I'm a dude

>>9861299
i read this today
all it take is a man telling them to get naked and seduce with another guy

>>9861268
50 Shades of Grey

http://original.adult-fanfiction.org/index.php

>>9861731
You don't need to sleep with a lot of guys to understand how vaginal stimulation works moron. The length of a penis has little to do with stimulating the clitoris and so on. That is why girth is more important in terms of pure sensation.

>>9861713
>tfw 7 inch pencil dick

Fuck

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>Women, in point of fact, commonly have a far keener aesthetic sense than men. Beauty is more important to them; they give more thought to it; they crave more of it in their immediate surroundings. The average man, at least in England and America, takes a sort of bovine pride in his anaesthesia to the arts; he can think of them only as sources of tawdry and somewhat discreditable amusement; one seldom hears of him showing half the enthusiasm for any beautiful thing that his wife displays in the presence, of a fine fabric, an effective colour, or a graceful form, say in millinery. The truth is that women are resistant to so-called beauty in men for the simple and sufficient reason that such beauty is chiefly imaginary. A truly beautiful man, indeed, is as rare as a truly beautiful piece of jewelry. What men mistake for beauty in themselves is usually nothing save a certain hollow gaudiness, a revolting flashiness, the superficial splendour of a prancing animal. The most lovely moving picture actor, considered in the light of genuine aesthetic values, is no more than a piece of vulgarity; his like is to be found, not in the Uffizi gallery or among the harmonies of Brahms, but among the plush sofas, rococo clocks and hand-painted oil-paintings of a third-rate auction room. All women, save the least intelligent, penetrate this imposture with sharp eyes. They know that the human body, except for a brief time in infancy, is not a beautiful thing, but a hideous thing. Their own bodies give them no delight; it is their constant effort to disguise and conceal them; they never expose them aesthetically, but only as an act of the grossest sexual provocation. If it were advertised that a troupe of men of easy virtue were to appear half-clothed upon a public stage, exposing their chests, thighs, arms and calves, the only women who would go to the entertainment would be a few delayed adolescents, a psychopathic old maid or two, and a guard of indignant members of the parish Ladies Aid Society.

>>9861777
t. H-L-Cuck

>>9861777
Is this the kind of mental gymnastics ugly fucks like your pic related have to go through every day to live with themselves? My God.

>>9861777
Thanks for posting this. Interesting.

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>>Women, in point of fact, commonly have a far keener aesthetic sense than men. Beauty is more important to them; they give more thought to it; they crave more of it in their immediate surroundings. The average man, at least in England and America, takes a sort of bovine pride in his anaesthesia to the arts; he can think of them only as sources of tawdry and somewhat discreditable amusement; one seldom hears of him showing half the enthusiasm for any beautiful thing that his wife displays in the presence, of a fine fabric, an effective colour, or a graceful form, say in millinery. The truth is that women are resistant to so-called beauty in men for the simple and sufficient reason that such beauty is chiefly imaginary. A truly beautiful man, indeed, is as rare as a truly beautiful piece of jewelry. What men mistake for beauty in themselves is usually nothing save a certain hollow gaudiness, a revolting flashiness, the superficial splendour of a prancing animal. The most lovely moving picture actor, considered in the light of genuine aesthetic values, is no more than a piece of vulgarity; his like is to be found, not in the Uffizi gallery or among the harmonies of Brahms, but among the plush sofas, rococo clocks and hand-painted oil-paintings of a third-rate auction room. All women, save the least intelligent, penetrate this imposture with sharp eyes. They know that the human body, except for a brief time in infancy, is not a beautiful thing, but a hideous thing. Their own bodies give them no delight; it is their constant effort to disguise and conceal them; they never expose them aesthetically, but only as an act of the grossest sexual provocation. If it were advertised that a troupe of men of easy virtue were to appear half-clothed upon a public stage, exposing their chests, thighs, arms and calves, the only women who would go to the entertainment would be a few delayed adolescents, a psychopathic old maid or two, and a guard of indignant members of the parish Ladies Aid Society.

>>9861848
>I rate Zidane

>>9861268
Imagine you asked the same question about men. Silly af

There are few things that most women universally value in men.
The most central being authentic confidence.

This single thing is worth more than 1000 books you could ever read on the topic.
Get to know who you are, improve what you don't like and own the rest. There are plenty of people who are better than you, there are plenty of people who are worse than you and none of that matters. Own who you are.
And don't worry too much about embarrassing yourself. Humans are absurd to begin with. Apart from core stuff like not being a dick to others, it's pretty much up to you what you do with your life.

And no matter what the fuck you chose, there are ALWAYS enough women who will like it.
So long as you own it.
They want to know what you are about. That's all there is to it.

>>9861863
>Imagine you asked the same question about men. Silly af

What? No. You can talk pretty easily about what men find attractive in women.

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>>9861882
>>9861863
Case in point.

>>9861307
This

>>9861863
You have no idea what you're talking about, and you generalize about the interests of all women in a way that only a man (probably boy in your case) who has never been intimate with many of them can.

Ten of the eleven romantic/sexual encounters I've had would not have happened had I not been knowledgeable on a wide range of topics ranging from literature to mathematics. Women find it appealing, especially hipsters.

>>9861863
>there are plenty of people who are worse than you and none of that matters
Yeah, it doesn't matter until your gf or wife leaves you for someone who makes more money or is younger or have a bigger dick.

>>9861919
Meant to quote the whole phrase.

>>9861307
This lit flavor of online sexism is much more tasty than the brute pol one. Makes you want to sit in a fireplace sipping Cognac talking about inferiority of people that dominate you.

Independence, personal carelessness (appear to not care about what people think about them), socially capable, tall, muscular but not ripped or fat, steady job, lots of friends, adventurous, funny yet "cool".

>>9861967
That's way too much work to have underwhelming sex with a woman that won't even cook for me, I'd rather masturbate.

>>9861967
>Dark straight thick hair.
>light eyes
>strong but not bushy eyebrows
>veiny and large hands
>fat dick
>fashionable
>being a handyman, able to fix house stuff by themselves

>>9861974
The question wasn't how to get one girl, but how to trigger any woman's ovulation.

>>9861882
>>9861888
I was specifically talking about useful/actionable information.
Across pretty much all cultures, socioeconomic levels and age groups, confidence ranks number one in desirable traits. Even more so than physical traits. And its the one that most men seem to not know about or wrongfully attribute as arrogance being desirable.
>>9861916
>you are wrong
>10/11 chicks I got by being speaking about common topics confidently
Mhm.
>>9861919
I'm sorry, were you actively planning on dating gold-digging sluts?
>>9861958
Then you might enjoy the casual racism of late 19th to early 20th century Anglo-American literature.

>>9861992
Not only gold-digging slut leaves you for someone because they think they can do better, ask any divorced man.

>>9861283
Just look at it in terms of "whose babies should I have?" and "who would I get the most prestige from having sex with?"

>>9861999
That applies to literally everyone who has broken up with anyone, you dum-dum.

>>9862003
That's pretty good.
"If a woman had sex with this male/me, what would her sphere of influence think of her."

>>9862007
Then the fact that there are people better than you is not without its importance.

>>9861777
Tips fedora.

>>9862011
That's literally all there is to it.
Everything "PUA" or "game" revolves around manipulating those instincts in women like an ad executive.
Self-improvement (upon at least a passable genetic or social foundation) is the key to success (more lasting success) than any esoteric, situationally-applicable bro-science for convincing marginal cases into one-night stands. And where you aren't the most physically impressive or socially "antifragile" [key word], just act like you are, and don't let them beat you in the game of chicken, which PUAs call "shit tests".

>>9861777

Based Mencken poster w with divine trips

>>9861789
>>9861820

Resentful peacocks with matching peabrains.

>>9862016
It is, because it's a match up thing. So long as you are not letting yourself waste away and the person had values that you can't fulfill, the relationship simply ran its course. Same if you dump someone because something about them just didn't work for you.
That doesn't mean that there isn't someone out there who doesn't care as much about that same thing.
And apart from that: People settle. A perfect partner (or rather multiple ones) are always out there. You can always "do better". But at some point you just realize how good "good enough" is. That's part of growing up.

Not to say that that relationship would last forever. But if you happen to have the secret to that fucking unicorn, please enlighten us.
>inb4 anglo-christian values

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>>9862034
Yeah, those guys are well known to have fulfilling and long-lasting relationships.

>>9862058
Just need to sort yourself oot and clean your room

>>9861777
>If it were advertised that a troupe of men of easy virtue were to appear half-clothed upon a public stage, exposing their chests, thighs, arms and calves, the only women who would go to the entertainment would be a few delayed adolescents, a psychopathic old maid or two, and a guard of indignant members of the parish Ladies Aid Society.
That's why Abercrombie does so badly by putting shirtless lads in front of their stores, right?
Frig off, uggos

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My entire friend group is comprised of uber chads that fuck random girls non-stop
I've been around them for years now. I've seen them in action, picking up girls. In bars. At parties. On the street.

I can safely say, I have no fucking clue how they do any of it. None of it makes sense. I don't understand even the basics. Women's minds are an enigma.
That's why I'm turbo-alone, though.

>>9862285
Ass implants are so fucking gross.

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>>9861307

There's really nothing to it. I'm not even a ladies man. Just go up and b urself.

>>9862427
t. guy with a strong jaw and chiseled abs

>>9862445
actually skinny black dude with glasses

>>9862285
Hey Eliot, how many girls have you asked out in the past month

>>9862450
Kek, this is the power of 'bbc' fetishism.

>>9862427
results will very depending on who urself is

>>9862458
I wish I understood it too. I've seen some shit.

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>>9862459
>tfw I'm an utterly despicable and petty man who will never have a gf as a result

>>9862470
Story time. What is the shit and how did you see it

>>9861888
source on graph tho

>>9862497
had a guy literally try to convince me to drive to his state and fuck him silly once he heard i was black

unfortunately he was not female, so that wasn't happening.

>>9862507
Girls assuming you have a big cock must be a burden if you actually don't. Bigotry of high expectations

>>9862507
That's because girls (and faggots) think of a big dick, aggression and confidence when they think of black guys, which turns them on. Doesn't work for white guys, obviously.

>>9861566
>So stuff like Twilight

Honestly, this is totally underrated. Twilight actually gives meaningful insight into the mind of a women who thinks reflexively and is dominated by her instinctual feelings from a first person perspective.

>>9862455
>Eliot
I don't hate women or blame them for not being attracted to me.
>How many women have you asked out
None, but I did approach a few girl at a bar last week. My friend tried to wingman for me. I struck out, he got laid

>tall
>handsome
>big dick
pretty much it. If you have those three down you're good to go

>>9861677
YOU WEREN'T THERE WHEN THEY DID.
EVERY GODDAMN DAY, EVERY GODDAMN YEAR.
I WAS RAISED A GOOD BOY WHO WAS FORBIDDEN TO FIGHT SO I TOOK IT WITHOUT A WORD. MY TEARS NEVER STOPPED FLOWING THEY WERE JUST DRIED UP BY THE FUCKING TIME.
WHO GAVE YOU THE FUCKING RIGHT TO ASK ME WHO HURT ME YOU FACELESS CUNT,NOBODY KNEW HOW HARD I WAS HURTING NOBODY STOPPED KICING WHEN I WAS DOWN.
YOU WEREN'T THERE. WHO ARE YOU NOW TO RUN YOUR MOUTH.

>>9861307
Forgive my retardation, I'm from /fit/; but what about nuns and women who are clearly not trying to get laid? What about Joan of Arc? Are they just exceptions?

>>9863326
>what about nuns
>What about Joan of Arc?
They're tryna get dat God D, man

>>9862727
You people overrate looks. There are plenty of tall, handsome, big dicks who also happen to be complete autists that end up on /r9k/.

>>9861777
What did he mean by this?

>>9861958
that is the /pol/ flavor of sexism

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>>9861651

>I'm capable of making the most obvious intellectual leaps
Your mother and I are very proud of you.

>>9863450
No, the pol flavor is about how women are not people, leech off society, and should be killed except if they are very young and white in which case they should be raped after having asked permission from their father

>>9863326
Joan is probably the most overrated famous female in history.

>>9863799
ebin

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>>9861958
>Makes you want to sit in a fireplace sipping Cognac

holy fuck and here I was thinking this board has enough of self awareness, swoosh your cape and adjust your monocle while youre at it you fucking ponce

>>9861441
HA!

>>9862472
what rifle is that

>>9862775
:(

>>9862034
Actually most PUA and game is just a little bit of human/social psychology (10-20% and then 80-90% self-improvement and confidence building.

PS. the mystery method is literal junk and nobody takes that book seriously in "the community".

>>9861268
Han Kang, the Vegetarian, was pretty good and was pretty erotic too...I don't know really how much it will address you question, but there's definitely some female sexuality in there.

>>9861319
Wow. That's brutal. Is your cousin cool? Is she going to be a Napoleon?

>>9863346
"not being a complete autist" should be implied tho

>>9861307
Childless women exist, your entire argument is invalid.

>>9861635
lol

>>9861307
what is menopause

The Second Sex

>>9864094
You'll understand once you lose your milk teeth

>>9864329
Read up on the shadow of evolution

>>9864236
But they are torn inside without exception

>>9864220
Are you?

>>9864143
Much of the PUA stuff is very specific advice on how to act in certain situations, stuff you'd take a long time to come up with on your own

>>9862583
Have you read it? Can I get a summary somewhere? I don't have time to read this drivel in full.

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Drop all that you're doing O.P. And read this.

>>9861300
Yes, it's almost as if different people have different priorities, and no gender has one encompassing ideology.

>>9861777
This would maybe be true for lesbians.
Half-clothed men with rippling abs make quite a killing with the ladies in Vegas.

>>9864528
I'm sorry anon, but if a few dozen wasted hours on /lit/ have taught me anything, it's that a bunch of twenty-something year old NEETs from middle class backgrounds are the final authority on all of humanity. And they reliably inform me that all women, regardless of socio-economic or interpersonal development, view the world through exactly the same lens. So maybe you should bugger off back to a functionally identical website with which we have a manufactured feud. Or worse, perhaps you should frequent a website that has, on balance, polar political views to the average user of this one, despite filling essentially the same role within its user's life.
Furthermore, I must infer that you likely enjoy your sexual partners to adhere to a lower hygienic code than average and that you encourage them to take numerous ancillary lovers, primarily of African or Arabic descent. This has little to no bearing on your statements but devalues your opinions by association.

Just have your gf fuck in the Amazon position.

>>9861441

LOL

>>9864616
You might be shitposting an awful lot but the truth is that these 4chan forums are indeed sometimes a valuable source of information on a wide range of subjects or questions, one only needs the time to wade through the bullshit.

>>9864628
It's actually really uncomfortable.

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>>9864417
>You'll understand once you lose your milk teeth

Do go on with this schtick, it's mildly entertaining.

>>9861268
Vox by Nicholson Baker

>>9861777
was that written by that now fired google employee?

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>>9864976

>>9861307
Men should really stop projecting this shit onto women, women are nowhere near as obsessed with sex as you.

>>9865026
now go spend an hour and a half accentuating all the secondary sex characteristics men find attractive with hundreds of dollars of clothes and makeup and years of practice

>>9865026
top kek

>>9865050

Don't look at a single woman for 24 hours.

>>9865050
Some feminists would argue that because of this patriarchal society women need to accentuate their sexual characteristics in a show of social status. It's not about attracting a mate but about demonstrating that they could attract a high-value mate. It's like dominance in men, it's a sign of health and high social status.

>>9865026
women are just as horny as men are, its just that 60% of men arent attractive to them wheras men would fuck anything

>>9865059
This.

Every man I know can't even go a day without touching their own dick. Must suck to be mentally handicapped.

>>9865026
women sex love just as much if not more than men do, the difference is men just jack off and thats it.

most women project their sexual preferences and fantasies onto the whole world around them in one decade-long rubbing session, with no fucks given how that affects society or anything

>>9865026
and by the way that quiet girl who you think hates sex loves it and has a tumblr blog where she reblogs horse and furry cocks. She's just not telling you.

>>9864220
She's one of the only people I regularly hang out with. She's even learning bass so we can play together. What's a Napoleon?

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>>9865231
>most women project their sexual preferences and fantasies onto the whole world around them in one decade-long rubbing session, with no fucks given how that affects society or anything

so this... is the power of post-pomo post-irony

>>9865231
>most women project their sexual preferences and fantasies onto the whole world around them in one decade-long rubbing session, with no fucks given how that affects society or anything

kek, well said

It's funny because it's true.

>Don't force her to carry your emotional burdens (you're not dating your mom)
>be as fit and presentable as you can be
>be empathetic enough to understand her emotional cues
>be as strong and dominant as you can possibly bear being, but without getting into constant conflicts
>have a stable life
As long as you have the above covered, you'll be fine. The hotness of the girls you'll be able to attract depend on your income, looks, and status within your community.

>>9865355

Filtered for inanity.

>>9865355
That's just being a regular man.

>>9865398
And somehow it's a threshold that most men on 4chan aren't able to cross. It's pretty embarrassing. You see these posts complaining about the isolation and alienation men feel when they can't find someone to fuck them, as if it's a woman's job to save them from their own loneliness.

>>9865427
>as if it's a woman's job to save them from their own loneliness.

This coming from the guy that blames women for the fact that he can be saddled with child support payments because he refuses to wear a fucking condom.

Fucking dipshit cunt, Christ.

>>9865427
To be fair, most of those men were simply raised terribly, by narcissistic or just plain stupid parents.

>>9865444
Good job demonstrating how retarded you are and how easily simple point fly over your head. Child support is state-enforced, and the result of particular economic and social conditions. It's not individual women oppressing individual men, it's a system that rewards single-motherhood by removing every incentive a woman has to make good, healthy choices.

>>9865444
Lol literally a retard

>>9865462

Seems like, living in a system as you describe, the 'smart, healthy choice' would be to wear a fucking condom.

>>9865462
>if I put a child to this world big meany government is gonna force me to take responsibility for my actions
much oppression

>>9865472
You don't have sex very often, don't you? Condoms are for anal sex and ubersluts. Normal people learn how to pull out.

>>9865488

This guy. THIS GUY. Is calling me a retard.

>>9865481
We're gonna get into this shit again? If a woman can abort her fetus or give her child up for adoption no questions asked (which she can in the US), then I should have an equal right to disown my mistake.

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>>9865488
>pull out
>complain about unwanted impregnation

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>>9865500
>my mistake
>admits it'd be his own fault
>still won't take responsibility

>>9865502
>>9865497
Condoms are a capitalist conspiracy used to commodify casual sex. Stay tuned for me thesis on the subject

>>9865500

No, you don't, because you don't bear the burden of pregnancy, nor the opportunity costs of raising the child.

And access to abortion is variable across the states.

>>9865507
Men shouldn't have to bear unequal responsibilities. If a woman has the right to murder her fetus and abandon her child, I should have the right to fuck her without bearing a financial responsibility for 18 years. Men should have the legal right to disown children.

>>9865514
/thread

>>9865521
you can't give birth to it so it's unequal from the start
>>9865525
that's not what the thread was about tho lel

>>9865514
The physical burden is a nine month affair that a woman can avoid through abortion. And the states that "restrict" access to abortion simply want abortions laws that are comparable to those in Europe. The United States has some of the most liberal abortion laws in the world.

As for the opportunity costs, that's covered by access to abortion and adoption. If a woman doesn't want to bear the burden of having children SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO. Responsibility can be eschewed whenever you want if you're a woman, while a 10 minute fuck session can leave you with an 18-year debt as a man.

>>9865545
and if a man doesn't want to be a father he just needs to not have sex with someone he doesn't want to have children with

>>9865531
It is unequal from the start because the existence of the pill should put the burden of honesty on the woman. But it doesn't. It doesn't matter if a woman claims to be on birth control, she can legally lie to you and still have you pay for her children. If you don't think that's unfair then you have pretty big ethical blindspot.

>>9865552
>if a woman doesn't want to be able to murder her fetus she should just keep her legs closed
This is what you sound like

>>9865560
and in your world a man could lie and say that he wouldn't disown
>also: birth control pills always work and don't have side effects
>>9865569
incorrect

>>9865509

You can walk onto any college campus, locate their healthcare or women's resource center, and grab a handful for free.

>>9865545

>babe i'm pregnant
>don't worry i'll be there for you one hundred percent
>thanks babe *births*
>lol ok bye

Pretty sure this is the more common circumstance of child support suits.

>>9865570
>and in your world a man could lie and say that he wouldn't disown
What a retarded response. Men don't have that option. You legally cannot disown a child as a man in the US, but you can as a woman. This is a fact.

>>9865590
>his reading comprehension is this bad
>he's a /mu/ tripfag
>I feel a non zero amount of surprise

>>9865085
I've never masturbated before and I'm 22 years old.

>>9865589
>Pretty sure this is the more common circumstance of child support suits.
I really fucking doubt that it is. And in my world paternal responsibility would be legally established while a woman still had the right to abort her fetus, and could be revoked if she starts dating someone else.

>>9865604
I misread your post. My point is that there are so many avenues society gives women to be able to avoid having to take responsibility for their reproductive behavior (child support, adoption, abortion, birth control, morning after pill), while a man has none aside from not having sex. And abstinence being used as a method for not burdening yourself with unwanted children is something that feminists have been arguing against for decades.

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>>9865646
>a man has none aside from not having sex
>the fuck's a condom

>>9865658
That's not having sex, that's an approximation of sex. A simulacrum.

>>9865670
>abstinence being used as a method for not burdening yourself with unwanted children is something that feminists have been arguing against for decades
>I'm now gonna use an idiosyncratic definition of sex that aforementioned feminists probably wouldn't agree with and pretend I can claim that they're implicitly supporting my argument anyway
btw, is an hormonal cycle on pills also a simulacrum?

>>9865646
Speak for yourself heteropleb.

>>9865684
I'm gonna sidestep the sex argument and address the condom issue by different means.

The existence of birth control and the possibility of abstinence were never good arguments against abortion because the foundational argument of pro-abortion activists was that a woman had an absolute right over her own reproductive organs. The fact that other methods of avoiding maternal responsibility existed never entered into their arguments because they didn't matter; what mattered was individual freedom.

My point is that a right to one's body and a right to one's income aren't completely different realms of freedom, and that a comparable argument can be made for the latter. I know that people on the Left don't view economic freedom as being on the same moral plain as bodily freedom, but that's because they're indoctrinated into thinking that wealth doesn't really belong to anyone, but is a common resource that can be used however society deems fit. I obviously disagree with this, which is the axiom i'm arguing from.

>>9865719
>My point is that a right to one's body and a right to one's income aren't completely different realms of freedom, and that a comparable argument can be made for the latter.

This is understood. We get it. It's just wrong.

Say you take out a loan to start a business. You do alright for awhile, but there's a market sink before you make it out of the red. You're now legally obligated to pay back your loans despite having no income from the source for which that loan was originally taken out. Now you have to find a new source of income, to which the bank you borrowed from has a proportional claim. If You default or otherwise renege on your obligations, the bank can pursue a court order to put a lien on your income or your assets. Is is impinging on your 'freedom of income'? No. Its holding you to an obligation you signed up for.

>>9866029
would be true if sex was a contract

>>9866092
Sex is a contract.

>>9866092

It's an analogy, and anyway the same could be leveled at 'Jeff'.

>>9866029
Bad analogy. Sex isn't a contractual agreement. People who do become unwitting parents had sex under the auspices that it was a single, inconsequential act. They don't enter into an arrangement agreeing ahead of time that there is a small chance that they'd end up parents. And by the way, accidental children don't really exist in the West; these "accidents" are a method women use to lock down the genes they're looking for. My two older brothers are better looking than I am, and they've both been in situations where women have offered to have unprotected sex with them in order to breed and have someone else raise their child. And now they both have to be particularly careful about who they choose to come inside because these are the sorts of women who "accidentally" forget to take their pill when they start reaching 30.

If you have sex under the impression that a woman is on birth control and she ends up getting pregnant, the two parties were agreeing to different conditions when they chose to have sex.

>>9865355
>>Don't force her to carry your emotional burdens (you're not dating your mom)

Tf, if you're dating to have a serious long term relationship then it means your SO will be the person you go to for any emotional support/venting/advice.

I have depression, bipolar disorder not to mention a bunch of other health ailments that have caused me grief and the person that has always been there for me through my ups and downs is my wife. She's my rock and I'm hers.

Tf you on about.

All grrils are bisexual, my horny fantasies say so

Thats all you need to know

>>9865545
You talk as if women don't care that they're killing their child. While liberal women probably think of it as nothing. The women who usually get them do it due to pressure, afraid because not financially ready, no support etc.

It isn't just a clump of cells for them, it's their fucking child they are killing but because they see no other options they can't help but to do that.

>.t sister got raped, was pregnant, wanted to keep it since the baby was innocent, parents/family pressured her to get an abortion. Has been dealing with the emotional pain from it for around 5 years now.

>>9866149
>it means your SO will be the person you go to for any emotional support/venting/advice.
That's only for the women in relation to the man, they are naturally more fragile and need their bfs/husbands to be an emotional 'anchor'. A man needs to keep his shit together.

>>9866149
I'm also 100% sure that she cheats on you with a dude that doesn't cry on her shoulder like a kid.

>>9866149
You found a unicorn. Keep her. Most women don't want a whiny boyfriend though. They want the the guy to be a stoic rock, not a meatbag full of neuroses.

>>9866179
She was raised with a traditional christian mindset and a mother who is the most hard working woman I know and stayed single after her divorce from an abusive husband for more than 20 years to raise my wife. If I have any daughters I know they won't turn into sluts. I'm fucking lucky.

>>9866177
Crabs in a bucket.

>>9866171
That just seems silly. A real relationship is a team. You work together, not just one leans on the other all the time.

>>9866163
Either we live in a culture willing to accept the consequences of casual sex, or we don't. If a woman gets to kill her fetus and abandon her child under the auspices of freedom, then a man should also be able to avoid the responsibilities of child-rearing using the same justifications.

>>9866198
>That just seems silly. A real relationship is a team.
You seem like you were brainwashed by feminisnt propaganda, women and men aren't the same and their role in a relationship isn't and can't be the same, this doesn't work.

>>9866199
>If a woman gets to kill her fetus and abandon her child under the auspices of freedom, then a man should also be able to avoid the responsibilities of child-rearing using the same justifications.
that's not an inference

>>9866206
I can't tell if you're trolling or not but

>Teams can't have different roles in them or be flexible.

Of course women and men aren't the fucking same but since when are humans not able to behave different outside of their "roles"

She's submissive in some things, I'm the dominant one in some and vice versa, we compromise, talk things out, work through our issues and never once have has she screamed at me, cussed at me or insulted me because of mutual respect and love. We encourage our strong points and help each other get rid of our flaws.

How is this not working as a team?

>>9866221
I'm not trolling and that's a fair point, but generally the role of emotional lead is the man, for a variety of reasons women are simply unstable in this regard.

>>9866221
Man, you're going to take it so hard when she leaves you.

>>9861268
Its a book called go outside and talk to random grills, I habeeb in you.

women generally do way more emotional labour and are generally way better at it

>>9866148

>Sex isn't a contractual agreement.

And yet.

>If you have sex under the impression that a woman is on birth control and she ends up getting pregnant, the two parties were agreeing to different conditions when they chose to have sex.

Stupid goon.

And, once again, the whole issue could be side-stepped with a condom, which you can pick up, for free, all over the place.

>>9866225
That I understand, generally regardless of my emotional shit due to my bpd/depression I'm still the "head of the house" so to speak but she's still the person I go to for comfort/support every time. I just had the impression that you were saying that men can't do that at all/your SO can't be someone you depend on emotionally.

>>9866229
crabs in a bucket.

>>9866233
They do it more because they're inherently better at it. The language sections of the human brain are physically larger in women. Most men are basically mild autists

>>9866247
>durr i'm just born an autist
stop making excuses

>>9866148

>They don't enter into an arrangement agreeing ahead of time that there is a small chance that they'd end up parents.

That is implicit in the act, ESPECIALLY IF YOU REFUSE TO WEAR A CONDOM. It is treated as an implicit agreement by the court system.

Gonna have sex? Might have a kid. It's in the state's interest to ensure the child is cared for, so it down have to. Ergo, pay up you shitty deadbeat fuck.

>>9866239
>Stupid goon.
It's called arguing under your opponent's premise. I'm not saying that I agree with that view of sex, all I'm saying that even if I did your, your bank loan analogy wouldn't make much sense.

>And, once again, the whole issue could be side-stepped with a condom
Okay, let's say that you're one of those people who cares more about not getting STDs than having good sex, there still comes a point in a long term relationship when you stop using condoms. Usually she gets a prescription for birth control if she isn't already taking it for her period. At that point you're having sex under the impression that you're still protected from unwanted pregnancies. And it's usually at this point that a woman "forgets" to take her birth control and uses her pregnancy to tie you down financially.

>>9866257
>muh emotional labor!!
Stop reading HuffPo and get a job.

>>9866263
>That is implicit in the act
And somehow the burden the outcome of that risk can entail can be forgone by women, but can't be avoided by men.

>>9866264
>muh muh
stop tripfagging and get a life

>>9866264
>It's called arguing under your opponent's premise.

Don't pretend that's what you were doing. You've been slinking between epistemic frameworks this whole time, partly as an equivocative strategy, and partly because you're a confused moron that doesn't know what he's saying, that such and such entails or presupposes so and so.

>>9866271

If they have the child, they have a child. They can't give it away and still ask for a check.

You are taking on a risk when you have sex, just as the woman is. Except the risks aren't weighted evenly-- and no, they aren't weighted in the woman's favor. You, the man, can always dip out, refuse to make payments, change your name, disappear, or otherwise make it too costly to pursue. Guys do this all the time. The woman is pegged with that child, regardless of your choice to 'man up'.

>>9866292
Tell me more about my intentions and axiomatic beliefs. You seem to have a better idea of what's happening in my brain than I do. Tell me my future, you fucking tarotological faggot.

>>9861307
One of my good friends is a female who enjoys playing video games and we frequently play together. She does not view me sexually, I've certainly tried but I'm in the friend zone for sure. and she's fine as fuck.

She plays alone sometimes with random people who almost always turn out to be kids or other chicks. She has a boyfriend that she lives with.

How does her playing video games make it easier for her to get pregnant? Her boyfriend barely even plays them; she's played games for a long fucking time.

>>9866314

Cry more, you ignorant cunt.

>>9862775
I love you I hope you find peace.

>>9866149
Or just deal with it yourself, brainlet

>>9866305
The point is that she has the option of giving it away. Her choosing to keep it shouldn't be considered a consensus omnium.

>refuse to make payments, change your name, disappear
Oh fuck off. Yes, a man can technically commit a felony and destroy his life. That's totally equal to a woman having a half-dozen legal options available to her to avoid the responsibilities of motherhood.

>The woman is pegged with that child,
Except that she fucking isn't. She can give it up for adoption whenever she wants. If she has a child, it's her choice to have it.

>>9866333
can you actually give a child away if it's against the fathers wishes? if so that seems like the thing to change instead of fedorancial abortion

>>9866343
It's complicated, and varies by state.
https://adopt-connect.com/blog-post/adoption-without-fathers-consent/

Generally the mother has far great legal rights over her children than the father does. Yet the father is expected to give equal financial support to their rearing.

>>9866333

Again, if she gives it up, you're off the hook. Again, you can contest the decision. Again, you've implicitly agreed to the possibility of bearing a child upon committing to intercourse. This isn't a conspiracy to defraud you. It's the state looking out FOR ITS OWN INTEREST. Again, you're a stupid cunt that's trying to rationalize his lack of integrity as a man as some kind of libertarian virtue. Again, go pick up some FREE FUCKING CONDOMS from the health center. Again, again, again, again.

>>9866360
You're such an insufferable masochist. I really hope you're a woman.

Yes, a woman can give her child up. And again, A MAN CANNOT. A single sexual encounter is the consent the state requires when it decides whether or not to rob your income. A woman can, on the other hand, eschew her responsibilities whenever the fuck she wants. Men are legally held to a higher standard of responsibility than women are.

>>9866378
>It's complicated, and varies by state.
>whenever the fuck she wants

>>9866378

AGAIN: YOU. CAN. CONTEST. THE. DECISION.

A woman 'eschewing her responsibilities whenever she wants' is EXACTLY ANALOGOUS to a father going full non-compliant on his support obligations. It is also not that easy to give up a come for adoption after it had reached a certain age, unless it is abandoned. This is not a realistic possibilty or desire for most mothers. A child isn't like a sack of old clothes
And men are held, not to a 'higher standard', but A standard because historically it has been incredibly easy to deny paternity and abscond on parental duties.

>>9866382
>>9866292
>>9866314

!!!!

>>9866382
Those two facts don't contradict one another. A woman can give her child up in two ways: either hand over paternal rights to the father, or give it up for adoption. If she decides to give it up and the father objects, the parental rights automatically go to him. If she gives it up and the father consents, then obviously the child is given up for adoption. Either way the woman can always give up her parental responsibilities if she wants to.

>>9866412
So why not just change that?

>>9866378

Also lol at you calling me a masochist when you're the one getting your ass whipped here.

>>9866404
No, you cannot contest the decision. A man can't say "I chose to give up my paternal rights and responsibilities." That is not an option a man has.

>is EXACTLY ANALOGOUS to a father going full non-compliant on his support obligations
Morally, sure. The problem is that ONE IS LEGAL AND ONE ISN'T.

>It is also not that easy to give up a come for adoption after it had reached a certain age
In my world paternal rights would be decided up front. A man couldn't renege on his responsibilities later on.

>because historically it has been incredibly easy to deny paternity and abscond on parental duties.
Historically paternity was determined entirely by the mother, because a father's biological relationship to the child could never be fully determined. So men who abandoned women could very well have been justified in doing so.

>>9866424
>implying i'm not right

>>9866417
Change what? Stop women being able to put up their children for adoption?

>>9866445
Against the father's wishes, yes.

Not someone arguing but I don't like this guy for the mere fact that he's a tripfag and obviously trying to build some reputation. These people need to go regardless.

>>9865085
How am I supposed to use the toilet without touching it?

>>9866460
just lean

>>9866443
>Historically paternity was determined entirely by the mother, because a father's biological relationship to the child could never be fully determined. So men who abandoned women could very well have been justified in doing so.

i.e. legally justifiable abandonment, which you seem for unless woman is capable of the same thing.


>In my world paternal rights would be decided up front. A man couldn't renege on his responsibilities later on.

This is already the world we live in.

>no he can't
http://www.liftonline.org/guide/topic-language/2103

>>9866443
>That is not an option a man has.
Could you please refer us to the specific article in which the gender to whom the paternity law applies is specified?
Because it sounds like you are mixing up common law with actual law.

>>9866464

Something I never got around to pointing out. Thank you.

>>9866450
That should change as well. It's already illegal in some states. But i'm asking for financial abortion rights, which is a separate issue.

>>9866463
>i.e. legally justifiable abandonment, which you seem for unless woman is capable of the same thing.
I'm for the legal right to abandon up to a year after the child is born. Man or woman.

>This is already the world we live in.
No, it isn't. The ability to dispute how much you're required your pay in child support isn't the same as having the ability to give up financial responsibility entirely.

The real overarching issue here is how paternity is treated in general, both when it comes to rights and responsibilities. If a woman leaves you and starts dating a richer man, your paternal financial obligations aren't reduced, even if in most states 50/50 custody splits aren't the norm. So you get situations where you get to pay for the privilege of having some guy fuck your ex-wife while your children sleep in the other room. If we lived in a world where a father had absolute equal access to his children, how their reared, and whether or not their aborted, then I might have a different view of the issue. Unfortunately we don't, so I'm asking for the same right to abandon that women have.

>>9866500
> i'm asking for financial abortion rights
And you're using the state of adoption law to argue for it.

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>>9862520
Well funnily enough, data from online dating sites and dating app's show that women of all races are more likely to go for white men than black. I think, aside from looks, there's also the connotations of "Isn't a thug" that makes them preferable to black men, because black men are often the least responded to. There's a lot of cool studies done on it, actually.

>>9866500

>Unfortunately we don't, so I'm asking for the same right to abandon that women have.

Which is petty, stupid, and shameful. You should be working toward reforms to custody and support laws line tat organization I linked to is, not championing profligacy as an equilibriator.

>>9866517
Online dating and irl are very different things

>>9866526

Not this again.

Biases are ENHANCED in online behavior, so what you're really seeing in the data of these dating sites are the 'real' preferences of these users. And the interdigitation of online and 'real' life is so thorough that it's a specious distinction to make in the first place.

>>9866464
It's the defacto result of our custody laws. I'm not a lawyer so I couldn't name specifics statutes. The issue is how financial support in particular is treated. Physical abandonment is legal for both parties, but financial abandonment has to be agreed upon by the woman, who's assumed to be the sole custodian of the child and the ultimate arbiter of these decisions. It makes sense, given that a woman has to carry the kid inside of her for nine months. My problem is that a woman's unequal rights to determine her child's future aren't met with the unequal responsibility of having to take care of that child. And how a man's responsibility for financial support isn't predicated on whether or not he even gets to live with the child. A woman can leave him and still demand child support.

>>9861279
>>9862003

Woah, didn't realise I was on /r9k/

>>9866523
Not being required to give someone my money is a much more accomplishable legal task than requiring a woman to live with the biological father of her children in order to both receive financial support and be able to spend time with her kids. My solution is realistic.

No man can ever understand women. Your minds are too base. You can scrounge up whatever superficial fancies you may like but none of it will matter to us because none of your opinions will describe the truth.

>>9866574
You're not! But you're still on 4chan, so you're close to it. You meant to be on Reddit. Just go to "Reddit.com"

>>9866587
Why is it that woman has never accomplished something great?

>>9866538
Sure, but those bias might go out the window when they are drunk and lonely and they just accept whatever is in front of them. Or in a million other situations. That's why online dating is misleading, no one dates according to a perfect set of criteria.

>>9866591
We have, what a stupid thing to ask. You can search it up for yourself, I'm not going to spoonfeed you a list of great women throughout history. Florence Nightingale for one. This is not barring the fact that most women were not given higher educations (or education at all in some places) throughout history.

But beyond that, we are the bottlenecks for the species. Men are more attuned for spatial and mathematical intelligence, but male intelligence is a function of female sex selection and hypergamy. Not only was there no reason for us to do anything "great" in the first place (that's what you're here for) but we reap all the benefits of your accomplishments because it is our natural right to.
But besides all that, we are spiritually stronger and have higher emotional intelligence than you. Your lack of intuitive abilities is what will make you never understand us.

>>9866591
No joke, this is kind of terrifying if you really think about it.

There are so many male demigods that you can't even count them. Every century has dozens of epoch-making male thinkers and figures in it. And not one woman, in all of history, has exceeded "pretty good" tier, which is even more overflowing with THOUSANDS of men for every woman who manages to attain it.

Think about this. There is not a single vocation, hobby, occupation, talent, skill, ability, artform, medium, ANYTHING, that men do not dominate. From cooking, to yo-yoing, to painting, directing, composing, playing an instrument, writing, doing philosophy, math, physics, chemistry, shot-put, lawn frisbee, and being a lutenist, literally every single thing that is capable of being done, a man is by far the best at it. Women aren't even distant seconds.

The only things women are better at than men are biological necessities and technicalities, like childbirth. Women are literally systematically inferior.

>>9866640
You also take the prize for being the absolute worst at most, if not all of those things. The male species has a very varied intelligence. For every genius there are 5 idiots. While those individual men can be credited for those achievements, and they will almost always be men, men as a whole are inferior to women, and they always will be.
Your inherent value is much lower than ours. We are not varied in intelligence as much (although female geniuses do exist and women are not shy from having the highest IQ's on earth), however most of us are more intelligent than most men, even on a materialistic level.

>>9866661
>Your inherent value is much lower than ours.

Jesus. Thanks for admitting women enjoy being "inherently valuable," just by existing. No wonder you never do anything.

Like I said, terrifying gender.

>>9866587
It is not self-evident that "understanding" plays any sort of a positive role. Very often when one claims to "understand" the mind of another person, their understanding is informed by various prejudices, assumptions, etc. This insistence on tolerance, empathy, and understanding today is one of the manifestations of an overall tendency towards narcissism and it should be critically evaluated, not encouraged

>>9866679
Where did I say I "enjoyed" it? It's a fact of life, that is the way our species evolved.
>No wonder you never do anything.
You wouldn't be here if we didn't.
>biological necessities like childbirth
Trying to pretend like childbirth can be brushed off as a simple biological necessity and not the foundation of the entire human race. This is why our inherent value will always be higher than yours. Until artificial wombs are made.
>terrifying gender
Yes, the root of why men will never understand us. You can be afraid of us, and write all sorts of nonsense, such as how everything we do is to attract men.
[The reality being that everything we do is for our future offspring. Men are only a function, and instrument to that end, and that is why we are hypergamous and not polygamous like you. We are concerned with the quality of our children. Men on the other hand do not think in terms of the quality of their offspring, they think in terms of impressing and wooing as many women as possible. Quantity of quality for men, the mind of the base. It's funny how men project this onto us when in fact it is exactly how they behave.]
Men live for women, and women for our children.

>>9866623
>spiritually stronger
literally everything women do is tied to the material realm, even their very forms reflect it. there was a reason the buddha said women couldn't achieve enlightenment.

>>9866721
*Quantity over quality for men

tfw no gf :(

>>9866742
All your potential gfs are out there fucking niggers as we speak.

>>9866723
In the Theraveda tradition, it says women cannot become the Buddha. They can become enlightened Arhants though. Not to mention the Lotus Sutra says that women can. The Vajrayana tradition has female Buddhas. Zen also says women can.
You don't know anything about Buddhism, stop talking shit.

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>>9866595
Ain't no lie baby
Bye bye bye

>>9866780
"It is impossible that a woman should be the perfect rightfully Enlightened One. It is possible that a man should be the perfect rightfully Enlightened One. It is impossible that a woman should be the Universal Monarch It is possible that a man should be the Universal Monarch.It is impossible that a woman should be the King of Gods. It is possible that a man should be the King of Gods.It is impossible that a woman should be the King of Death. It is possible that a man should be the King of Death. It is impossible that a woman should be Brahmaa. It is possible that a man should be Brahmaa."

>>9866821
Yes, that's in the Theraveda tradition and doesn't contradict what I said. Women can't become the Buddha but they can attain Nirvana.
That part is also disputed as to whether it was a later revision, as these were all written hundreds of years after he dies. But either way the Theraveda tradition is the oldest one, and was influenced by Ancient Hinduism, their texts like the Manusmrti which portrayed women negatively, the caste system and the attitude towards women in ancient Indian society. Many Sutras portray women as attaining enlightenment, but the moment before they do, they transform into males, in that very instant. The whole issue is conflicting from the very beginning, but theoretically focusing on gender identity is Mara.

"One who has such a vehicle--
Whether a woman or a man--
Has, by means of this vehicle--
Drawn Closer to Nibbana"

>>9866888
Yes, however the point was the hole above claimed that women are "spiritually stronger" than which they aren't. Women are actually the ones far more tied to the material realm through their sexuality. Undisciplined men may be more likely to act on sexual impulses, but this is because men are biologically predisposed to attempt to impregnate as many women as possible. Women, on the other hand, are predisposed to commit themselves biologically a single quality mate, which is part of the reason why women may appear to care more about intelligence and "spiritual characteristics". Women are also more inclined to judge men by their intellect because men are the intellectual (i.e. logical) sex, whereas women are generally amoral and alogical. It would be foolish for a man to judge a woman primarily by her intellect when women are for the most part incredibly shallow thinkers when compared to men. However, intelligent men do generally consider the spiritual characteristics of females, as belief in God is one of the few things that may provide women with actual morality. From a purely psychoanalytic perspective, the amorality (and thus the similarity to the beast) of the female can be explained by the failure of the already castrated girl’s inability to identify with her father. This results in a far less traumatic resolution of the Oedipus complex in females when compared to males. Freud notes that the super-ego is never as developed and impersonal in women as it is in men, so women are as a result far more likely to be influenced by emotional impulses that originate outside of themselves. Women are incapable of truly logical thinking and are far more suggestible as a result of this weakened super-ego, as the Book of Genesis is wise to communicate. As the intellectual sex, men are far more capable of comprehending metaphysical truths and seeing the world as it is, rather than being manipulated by external stimuli. I think it is clear that this alone places women much closer than men to the chaotic realm of nature, but there is actually much more to the my point than what has just been said.

Consider the menstrual cycle for a moment - it occurs within females exclusively, matches patterns within nature such as the phases of the moon and has the ability to shape a woman’s behavior. The menstrual cycle and its side effects are just further proof of woman's Dionysian essence and her closeness to nature. She will desire a man for either his intellect or his body depending on which day of the month it is! Men at least have the ability to choose when they would like to consider the intelligence of a female. Women don't seem to have as much freedom when choosing a sexual partner. Furthermore, women are far more preoccupied with their sexual functions when compared to men. The entire life of a woman essentially revolves around acquiring a high quality mate and reproducing.

>>9866928
There have even been studies done that prove that the average woman thinks about sex more times a day than the average man. It also seems obvious to me that men are much more capable of breaking with the biological demands of reproduction when compared to women. I suspect that this is because in nature many male mammals don't end up reproducing at all. When you consider all of these facts, it becomes clear why the Gnostics considered women to be completely evil and men to only be evil from the waist down. Do not confuse the fact that women are more calculating when choosing a mate with spirituality or detachment.

>>9866623
Do you think most women understand this intuitively? It's amazing how many women today seem to want to dismantle the network of privileges their reproductive capabilities entitled them to. I still get to fuck them, but now i'm not even expected to stay around or pay for anything. It's amazing.

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>>9861268

>when all the men in women's romance books- even the supposedly literary ones- are a million times better than you.

>>9866935
>because in nature many male mammals don't end up reproducing at all.
This is returning with the advent of the sexual liberation movement. Monogamy was a form of sexual communism that allowed the lower-status men to feel sated and content.

>>9866965
Men below a certain status don't exist to women. When women complain about their inferior status in society, it's because they only hang around the absolute best men, which is their only basis for comparison.

>>9866968
The männerbund must be formed

>>9866928
>Yes, however the point was the hole above claimed that women are "spiritually stronger" than which they aren't
No, it doesn't, because Buddhism is one religion of many, which several traditions that contradict each other on that issue.
>Undisciplined men may be more likely to act on sexual impulses, but this is because men are biologically predisposed to attempt to impregnate as many women as possible.
And the vast majority of men are undisciplined individuals. Their biological drives encourage them to be.
>Women, on the other hand, are predisposed to commit themselves biologically a single quality mate, which is part of the reason why women may appear to care more about intelligence and "spiritual characteristics"
No, that is not the reason. Women have higher emotional intelligence and intuition, that is why we are spiritually stronger, not because we look for intelligence in men. Looking for intelligence in men, which is female sex selection behavior based on hypergamy, is the reason why men are so smart. It has nothing to do with the point of spirituality, which you are confusing. Although the way females select for mates is definitely less attached to sexual lust and desire than it is mens. It is strongly attached to their offspring and childbearing, which in and of itself is a spiritual experience.
>Freud psychobabble
>Jewish Genesis story

>As the intellectual sex, men are far more capable of comprehending metaphysical truths and seeing the world as it is, rather than being manipulated by external stimuli.
Yes, that is completely true, although not for men as a whole, only the few intelligent ones.

>Connection to nature means women are less spiritual
Quite the opposite. You're going from an Abrahamic perspective which inherently sees women and nature as something to be conquered. The original Genesis stories said nothing of Eve eating the fruit.
>She will desire a man for either his intellect or his body depending on which day of the month it is! Men at least have the ability to choose when they would like to consider the intelligence of a female. Women don't seem to have as much freedom when choosing a sexual partner.
First of all, men also go through hormonal cycles, just longer ones. And that could not be more incorrect, since women are the gatekeepers of reproduction, not men. We have infinitely more choice than men, because we are the choosers and men the pursuers. Only if a man becomes a King or a God can he choose, but the vast majority of men will never reach that status and will never get to choose.
>Furthermore, women are far more preoccupied with their sexual functions when compared to men. The entire life of a woman essentially revolves around acquiring a high quality mate and reproducing.
If you're speaking of menstruation, that's simply because its a function that we must tend to. That doesn't mean anything really. And again you go back to that bs point.

>>9867000
>emotional intelligence
nonexistent. you're not worth the time.

>>9866935
> Do not confuse the fact that women are more calculating when choosing a mate with spirituality or detachment.
I didn't. It was a completely separate point that you combined into one post.

>>9867000
also i don't want to read your talmudic babble about how "weakness is actually strength". read nietzsche

>>9867000
so things completely unrelated to religion are "spiritual" for you. describe what you mean by spirituality.

So far this thread is

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>>9866956
Government welfare has replaced you, that's why they do not care for you to be around. This is also a world where a woman can drop her child off to a daycare and work by herself, and also get maternity leave. All of these benefits reduce the role of men as providers and protectors.

Nikola Tesla said that the world might turn into a Queen Bee matriarchy. That might be true, because women are becoming progressively less and less dependent on men, leaving men without definite role or purpose.
Your sons will be heavily feminized as a result of your absence.

>>9867008
>emotional intelligence doesn't exist
>>9867023
>implying I referenced the Talmud
You aren't worth the time either.

>>9867029
It's okay. 4 of you=1 of me.

>>9867000
>vast majority of men are undisciplined individuals
completely untrue

>Only if a man becomes a King or a God can he choose, but the vast majority of men will never reach that status and will never get to choose.
not at all, tonnes of high status and attractive men get to choose their mates. women are sex-craved beasts, the ancient greeks knew this. not to mention that men are far more beautiful than women

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>>9861268
The Red Queen by Matt Ridley.

Most useful insight you will get outside of diving into the PUA community.

>>9867041
if you're not coming from an abrahamic perspective then which perspective are you coming from. you completely failed to disprove that women are more connected to the material world than men. what does "intuition and emotional intelligence" have to do with spirituality?

>>9867032
I understand that the goal of political feminism was to replace dad with Washington, but I'm still lost as to why so many women consented to this. Is the life of a waitress or HR specialist better than the life of a domesticated housewife? Is stressing over finishing your reports on time a more fulfilling experience than creating and shaping human life? Women had a great deal; they got to avoid the soul-destroying drudgery of work in exchange for providing a man with sex. Now they give up the sex for free and get nothing in return.

>>9867071
Women always worked. While men hunted, women gathered. The work was not high octane, but women earned their keep for as long as we have had the sexual division of labor. It was a simple paradigm shift that got them back working again.

>>9867041
you seem to be implying that because women have more choice in sexual selection or because they are more desired that makes them strong, when that couldn't be further from the truth. don't pretend that weakness is anything but weakness. all that matters is genius and the capability of a civilization to produce people (men) of genius. the rest is irrelevant.

"The man of genius possesses, like everything else, the complete female in himself; but woman herself is only a part of the Universe, and the part can never be the whole; femaleness can never include genius. This lack of genius on the part of woman is inevitable because woman is not a monad, and cannot reflect the Universe."

>>9867067
>you completely failed to disprove that women are more connected to the material world than men
You never proved it. Saying women's menstrual cycles are connected to the moon, which by the way, they are no longer that way anymore, does not make them attached to the material world. In fact the mechanism that connected the cycle of the moon to the menstrual cycle is immaterial. Having a menstrual cycle itself is material, but its connection to the moon is spiritual. Unless you want to deny that the Sun and Moon are not spiritual symbols.

Emotional intelligence and intuition are non-material and are connected to a reality beyond the material world.

>if you're not coming from an abrahamic perspective then which perspective are you coming from
The non-abrahamic one. You can call it pagan or nature worship, what pretty much every culture in the world followed in their own way before the Abrahamic religions dominated.

>>9867071
Financial independence and freedom. Even if that freedom entails suffering its better than domestic servitude. So the feminists believe.
Also many women enjoy being HR specialists. I personally know a few.

>Is stressing over finishing your reports on time a more fulfilling experience than creating and shaping human life?
It is a struggle for the modern woman. Children will always be the number one motivation for a woman. So abandoning childrearing for a career that will probably depress them. But woman have been pushing the the idea that they can have it all for quite a while now. And as technology advances and the feminist agenda is furthered, maybe they will.
>Now they give up the sex for free and get nothing in return.
The reason why women withheld sex and behaved selectively is because they might get pregnant. Birth control exists so now there's no reason to be selective. What do you get out of having sex with a woman? Sexual satisfaction? Well that's what women get now, with impunity thanks to technology. And women have better orgasms to begin with.

>>9867101
"genius" is just a means for men to gain power, which is a means to get sex...from women

feel as smart as you want, you and her both are just pawns for your genes

>>9867078
A domestic existence does involve work too. Only wealthy women were able to live without working. My point is that the stress of competing in the workforce and climbing the corporate ladder (which men do to attain status and increase their choice of partners) confers almost no benefit onto you if you're a woman. A rich pretty woman isn't that much more attractive to Chad than a poor pretty woman. And a lot of these women are foregoing children entirely. They're letting their ovaries rot just so they can LARP as an empowered pencil-skirt wearer for a few years. And then they turn 30 and desperately cling on to any remotely stable man who'll have them. Then they turn 40, realize they'll be childless spinsters for life, and either cry themselves to sleep every night or go full-on man-hating Andrea Dworkin mode.

Being a woman is harder than being a man in the 21st century.

>>9867101
>you seem to be implying that because women have more choice in sexual selection or because they are more desired that makes them strong, when that couldn't be further from the truth.
Okay, so how does women having more choice in sexual selection because they are more valued make them weaker?
>all that matters is genius and the capability of a civilization to produce people (men) of genius. the rest is irrelevant.
So says anon.
>"The man of genius possesses, like everything else, the complete female in himself;
>t. male

>>9867127
A woman who refused to work wouldn't be doing it from any genetic basis though. You're assuming the hard thing for them to do is work. I'm suggesting it's actually more intuitive than not working. Again, the vast majority of our instincts, and thus are behaviors, were derived from a time when sex based division of labor was crucial. Women who didn't like working starved or were ostracized (presumably). The women we live with today are the descendants of those who knew the importance of picking berries. That's why when the opportunity to work desk jobs, rather than seek employment in dangerous factories, opened up women were all too glad to take them. It's arguable that the time periods women spent doing no labor (outside of child rearing) were socially enforced by men.

>>9867120
This conception of womanhood is fucking dystopian. These women aren't even having kids. The white birthrate is below replacement. Women are now cogs in our churning economic machine, and are outsourcing the job of having children to third-worlders.. And they think that this makes them free.

>>9867127
When women compete with men in the workforce, that changes the dynamics. Now there will be more men who want to marry wealth, and more women who have it. So the dynamics just reverses itself. That's why you have way more stay at home dads now, who unsurprisingly report being happier as a domestic homemaker as well. While these women may be stressed beyond all hell, they probably still do it for the same reasons men did, because they get more power. Women enjoy climbing to the top just as much as men. Maybe even more. In the past women had to be subversive and manipulative to get power. Now they can just do it openly.

>>9867152
I had a stay-at-home mother growing up. She worked her ass off. She took care of me and my brothers, read to us every night, cleaned the house, cooked the food, helped us with our homework, washed our clothes, not to include her ludicrously involved community and church obligations. This is work. The problem is that these modern women choose to not have children, so they have a false conception of motherhood that it consists of sitting around all day occasionally vacuuming while being a slave to your breadwinner. They replaced the work (and rewards) of motherhood with male work.

>>9867157
Evolution happens at tortoise speed, not at jack rabbit speed.

>>9867157
No one in a stay-at-home dad relationship is happy. SAD is the perfect acronym. Mommy is fucking her boss, and daddy hasn't gotten blown in 3 years. Women have an inherent biological need to be around their children prior to puberty, which makes them better suited to domestic life.

>>9867180
You don't know a lot about human evolution then. Technology accelerates evolution rapidly. Yes, there will still be a lot of casualties, but we always move forward.

>>9867157
Men gained status to get the hottest chick because of women being the evolutionary bottleneck for breeding. The same dynamic couldn't exist with men because men can have an infinite number of kids whenever he wants, provided he had the opportunity.

>>9864616
hwat was the second website?
reddit & ...?

>>9867173
Is being a desk secretary or accountant really male work though? Or have opportunities in the workforce opened up that are well adapted for a woman's preferred skillset? Also, modern women can't be solely blamed for pushing back the decision to have kids. It's not like modern man is clamoring to be a 25 year old father. She's unlikely to want to have kids knowing the man she selected doesn't want them and is a flight risk. Both genders change with the times. As far as women deciding to play the soul sucking corporate game, the only belief I'm contributing is that it's not at all unnatural for them to do so.

>>9867187
Why do you believe technology speeds up evolution? Changes on the scale you're suggesting don't take place between one or two generations in any other species.

>>9867121
slave morality.
>>9867135
women are weaker than men because they are physically inferior, not as beautiful, and cannot contain any genius. genius is a form of higher masculinity, and in the extremely rare cases where women begin to approach (only approach) genius, they also approach masculinity.

>>9867236
Your masculinity serves the same purpose as her femininity. How could one be strictly superior to the other when they exist to achieve the same end?

>>9867121
haha everyone does things because the biology makes them do the things

good analysis thanks for the contribution keep it coming we're all waiting for your next post

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>>9867121
lol if you actually believe that. go ahead tell me about all that "powsi" newton and kant got.....oh, wait. pic related.

>>9867253
This is a thread about sex. You do know why you do that, right anon?

If this was a thread about Plato biology would have nothing to do with it.

>>9867249
and that end is?

"Mankind occurs as male or female, as something or nothing. Woman has no share in ontological reality, no relation to the thing-in-itself, which, in the deepest interpretation, is the absolute, is God. Man in his highest form, the genius, has such a relation, and for him the absolute is either the conception of the highest worth of existence, in which case he is a philosopher; or it is the wonderful fairyland of dreams, the kingdom of absolute beauty, and then he is an artist."

>>9867266
Getting your genes to the next generation. But at the point where God is brought up, our beliefs are on the opposite end of the spectrum.

What book was the quote lifted from anon? I may check it out.

>>9867295
>biological determinism
It's from Sex and Character by Otto Weininger.

>>9861268
heartiste.wordpress.com

Skip back to the posts circa 2010, before he got political.

sexual personae

but you probably don't want to go down that rabbit hole desu

i quit after 70 pages

>tfw scared of vaginas

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>>9867314
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/penis-size-around-the-world/
Penises are like the story of Goldicocks and the Three Bears.

>Big Black Bear’s cock is sexy but uncivilized. It tears Goldicocks up, leaving her a quivering mass of orgasmic release and STDs.

>Androgynous Asian Bear’s cock is unstimulating but loyal. It barely makes a dent in Goldicocks’ cavernous vagina, but it sticks around to see the kids (aka “grays”) through 35 years of post-graduate schooling, and eventually goes on to rule the world with their half-asian bear, half-jewish home invader progeny.

>Wan and Woolly White Bear’s cock is juuuuust right. Sexy enough for Goldicocks to feel like her cave is properly explored, but included with some safety gear and a home mortgage.

>>9867362
this is some good shit

>>9863346
>There are plenty of tall, handsome, big dicks who also happen to be complete autists that end up on /r9k/
I don't visit that board.

>>9861441
If you think that's gay, just pick up any PUA book

>>9863799
Learn more about the things you hate, it will serve you in life

>>9864133
It's a shotgun, not a rifle.

>responding to trips

why do people still do this?