Books to give me optimism for the future of western civilisation?

Hypernormalisation by Adam Curtis.

delete your anime for a start

it's always funny when you get these nerdy white nationalists who live for japanese cartoons, they try to unspook themselves from the jew but then get smoked by jap psyops, fucking failsons

>>9825224
There's no hope. The great works will be rediscovered by a future generation, who will incorporate them into their own culture, like the medieval Christians incorporated Greek philosophy into their culture.

>>9825266
why not just get a job, meet a nice girl at church and knock her up repeatedly, problem solved

>>9825273
It'a not about race, it's about culture. And the Western culture influenced by a combination of Christian morality, Greek philosophy, and Enlightenment politics is being replaced by a new culture. I could have 12 white kids if I wanted to, but chances are that very few of them will remain traditionalists well into adulthood.

is dying.

>>9825285
>It'a not about race, it's about culture
No, it's entirely about race. The race is what creates the culture. This bizarro egg before the chicken logic is only used by hapas and whites who for whatever reason can't make the obvious final leap into reality.

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>>9825224
The west is dead, but think about it: You can't have a civilization that allows multiculturalism, homosexualism/pedophilia, universal suffrage, abortion, etc. Secularism eventually will be replaced by a religion of the future. A new civilization of new men will emerge from the current chaos, and it will adopt the Christian imagery just like christians adopted the rich greek imagery. There will be no place for the weak and we will be able to see a non stagnant science and philosophy. What is sublime always buries what is decadent.
So basically negative dialectics.

>>9825306
>guy posting with jap brainwashing pic wants you to give up hope for your civilization

fuck off, asians can kiss my ass

>>9825306
>You can't have a civilization that allows multiculturalism, homosexualism/pedophilia

well then why are you promoting those with your anime bullshit, faggot? die.

>>9825306
Greeks practiced homosexuality, pedophilia, and abortion, and their civilization survived for hundreds of years. Multiculturalism is the real problem. Greeks always knew that their culture was superior to that of the barbarians.

>>9825265
Who cares about psyops if it's not from Satan (Jews)?

>>9825334
>Greeks practiced abortion
Hippocrates made sure that abortion was shunned. Rome fell to Christians because the pagans had fewer children.
They also practiced slavery which is very inefficient, infanticide etc.

>>9825285
> it's about culture
> chances are that very few of them will remain traditionalists well into adulthood

The nature of culture is that it is created again and again by each following generation. Traditionalism is for the slow, the uncreative.

>>9825340
you think the japs aren't trying to undermine the west? don't forget they got fucking nuked, you think they're going to take that lying down? they know they don't have what it takes to go head on against the west, so now they try to feminize our men with girl's cartoons and childish video games

>>9825340
>Who cares about psyops if it's not from Satan (Jews)?

the japs don't recognize christ either

>>9825349
so what

>>9825355
luckily trump came up in the 80s so he's redpilled on the japs even if sissified millenials just want to put on japanese schoolgirl outfits and stick pokemon figurines up their ass

>>9825355
remember never have sex with a 3dpd, just keep masturbating to "waifus" while your population declines

>>9825347
>Traditionalism is for the slow, the uncreative.
Look at this dupe who still buys the jewish liberal progress meme.

>>9825347
>The nature of culture is that it is created again and again by each following generation.
yes let's pretend that completely changing a culture is easy and can be done on a daily basis for the sake of the argument lol

>>9825371
well, the idea of linear instead of cyclical history is a distinctly christian idea because everything is leading up to the second coming or whatever, where as orientals have no direction and just see everything as being on repeat for eternity

All of the West's problems can be traced back to giving women more control over the political process. Encouraging them to have fewer kids in order to work ensured our replacement by more philoprogenitive populations. And telling them that domesticity and monogamy are synonymous with oppression undermined the culture that created us.

>MUH JEWS
drop the antisemitism and become an anti-femite

>>9825389
>drop the antisemitism and become an anti-femite

the saddest part is that career women often feel unfulfilled, a chick i knew killed herself this year, she went to a feminist women's college and was single and career oriented, right up until she had a breakdown and died around age 40, how many women realize they've been lied to just as their biological clock runs out?

>>9825388
then you don't know the difference between the history of revelation and the history of men in christianity
read augustine

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>>9825389
>yes, blame your women, not us, goyim.

>>9825398
>read augustine

well why don't you just summarize it instead of being mysterious

>>9825401
true

>>9825397
It's funny how cultural touchstones like 50 Shades of Grey reveal to us a female psychology that's urging to be dominated and taken care of. I don't lay the blame entirely on women, though. Men have to step it up too. Men need to stop jerking off and playing videogames, and start taking themselves and their careers seriously.

>>9825347
let me guess, you enjoy a culture that came out of the boomer generation e.g. Modern Liberalism and Progressivism.

whatever millennials will produce are guaranteed to be banal and pedestrian, it'll be a surface reaction to whatever the boomers did. Traditionalism is at least one of the more fringe philosophies that'll slay boomers' sacred cows, even if some people involved are clinical autists.

Read a book on climate change. Essentially, by 2050 there'll be mass worldwide droughts which will lead to mass food shortages and that will lead to mass death up to billions of people, and in most places you will likely have Martial law and Soviet-Union-esque living conditions. Every summer will be too hot to live outside, so most of the poor, even in first world countries, will die from heat stroke and dehydration. There's no prevention of this, though theoretically we can reduce the effects if we started mass effort in going green today. People tend to think someone's inevitably going to find some "fix" for climate change. Not happening. But after billions of people die there's going to be the rich intelligentsia left to rebuild the world. Maybe they'll make the West into something great, or not, but there's marginal hope there at least.

>>9825438
by 2010 there will be a whole so big in the ozone that everyone will die, might as well just give up on having kids or having a civilization, it's all hopeless

>>9825438
I hope this is true. I can't wait tbqh.

>>9825410

kys

>>9825445
>we need to struggle for the very survival of our civilization!
>but first let me play final fantasy xxxiii

>>9825438

It's funny how people take scientificism future predictions serious and mock other kinds of superstitions.

Bunch of underage retards

>>9825445
Porn kills ambition and videogames kill time. Grow up.

>>9825466
>Porn kills ambition

porn, yes, wacking off, not necessarily, i find i can concentrate and get more work done after i fap, the problem is when you watch all kinds of degenerate porn to get off, it makes it harder to build relationships with women because you just see them as sex objects

>>9825463
Refute this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IbyiOoVgnQ

>>9825224
Western civilisation is dead.

Better to get excited about the possibilities of Eastern civilisation IMO. Become a Sinophile.

>>9825478
If you currently can't get your rocks off in a real woman, jerk off to relieve stress about once a week. Overindulgence, even detached from porn, makes you lethargic.

>>9825480
suppose these scenarios are true? so what? why should we give up on western civilization? all this says is that the struggle for the future of civilization will be even more intense.

>>9825482
>Become a Sinophile.

china is garbage, they will run out of steam just like japan did in the 90s

>>9825466
>>9825487
>>9825453

What have you read today?

>>9825494
aphorisms of goethe, you?

>>9825494
A couple of short stories by Boccaccio and a chapter in a book about the Peloponnesian War

>>9825482
Mmm, yeah. Nothing like a culture that produced the exact same art for 3000 years, eats dog and had a massive peasant revolt every 10 week. Fuck China, those autistic faggots. They never produced a Michelangelo or Mozart. Even their precious terracotta soldiers were made by Greeks.
http://archive.is/2byJZ

>>9825494

The Strange Death of Marxism: The European Left in the New Millennium by Paul Gottfried

>50 replies
>not one book reccomendation

>>9825224
It's a little demoralizing learning that I share this board with someone who read a Douglas Murray book. There's no reason to be optimistic, but after reading Murray your pessimism is now largely misplaced.

>>9825539
What the fuck is wrong with Murray? He's a perfectly reasonable writer.

>>9825539
have you read it? or did some african guy writing for the guardian tell you you shouldn't like it and you took his word for it?

>>9825524

The End of History and the Last Man by Francis Fukuyama

;)

>>9825579
true

>>9825273
>>9825304
>no, guys, listen to me! /pol/ has a bunch of flowcharts that explain everything!

>>9825504

Do you have a blog? I genuinely think you're one of the more interesting posters here and would be intrigued to read more of your thoughts. Not even being sarcastic.

>>9825285
Somebody has been reading Strauss. Non-whites won't adopt western values, it generally isn't in their evolutionary interests. Intelligent minorities can gain from is neoconservatism, though, because it is for third world immigration, using US military for Israel's interests, prevents strong, ethnic monocultures, and promises to leave minority cultures alone, i.e., is liberal. Free markets also concentrate wealth into the hands of these gifted minorities

Glubb's Fate of Empires

>>9825993
I should add that several of the neocon talking points also benefit minorities of lower IQ

>>9825274
>tfw when you are right

The early 19th century german provincial mindset about all the great freedom of Geist we are going to experience really turns me optimistic sometimes.

>>9825304
Actually it's more about tribe and ethnicy than race, because there are distinct sub-cultures of the general culture/race. Race is a modern buzz-word.

>>9825410
>Men have to step it up too.
Unlike woman who have a biological imperative that drives them regardless of the society they live in, man in my opinion are totally dependant of their social environment. The slippery slope of feminisation and degradation of men begin when they are young.

>>9825224
Don't listen to these defeatist losers and ZOG shills. Just read The Turner Diaries and you'll be feeling great about our glorious future at hand.

>>9825224
combined with this
>>9825438

is truly terrifying, whole of Europe will become a refugee camp for the Middle East and Africa once these continents turn uninhabitable

Listen brothers.

The earth is not a ball to which we are glued by the mystical force of "gravity", no.

The earth is flat, just as the ancient peoples believed. Heaven is above you, hell is below you.

The devil first spread the idea of a ball earth revolving around a ball sun in the ancient Babylonian and Egyptian mystery schools. These teachings were passed down to Pythagoras. They were handed down the ages to the occult mystery schools of the European Renaissance, who adopted them as their own. Then the occultists Copernicus, Kepler, Bruno, Newton, published the idea and started the "Copernican revolution".

The ancient Hermetic principle is "As Above, So Below". This has many applications. One of them is this: what people believe about the heavens above them, well determine what they believe about the earth below them. In other words, how they interpret the sky will correspond with how they interpret their own lives. Our materialist society would be impossible without a materialist cosmology to justify it. A mechanistic Newtonian cosmology justifies a mechanistic view of human life, a mechanistic politics, sociology, and economics. It sounds like a joke, but the idea that the stars are giant balls of gas reflects the modern obsession with fossil fuels / material goods in general. Copernicus wasn't going for a mechanistic religion, by the way; he was a Pythagorean and Heliolator, and hoped that the belief that the sun was at the center of the universe would usher in a return to a sun-worshipping priesthood like those of ancient societies.

The reason why the Devil spreads the idea of the ball earth is that it totally overturns mans relationship to the world. Instead of man being a spiritual being with heaven above him and hell below him; instead he stands on a ball where there are infinitely many ups and downs, where heaven isn't "above" but only "outside" the earth - moral and epistemological relativism, infinitely many points of view.

>>9825438
I don't doubt that we've done irreparable damage to the earth, but I think we often underestimate nature. We can make all kinds of predictions and projections, but only time will tell as to what's really going to happen.

>>9826198
your way too spooked son

>>9825224
Is this book good or just fearmongering

Why are 4chan losers always so adament that Western civilization is crumbling? Capitalism is the greatest revolutionary force of history, come along on the ride, fucking Nazis and commie shits. There was never a time when Western civilization wasn't 'crumbling'.

God, I hate you fags who want to return to something that never was

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>>9826282
shoo shoo

>>9826282


There was, however, a time when Western civilization had some sort of group cohesion and cultural pride. Now whenever there's a terrorist attack, our response is to wait for the media, political, and cultural elite to show us how to react, and die a little more inside, to become just a little more passive.

>>9826310
>muh idealized past
You make it sound like some uniform thing that was always inherent to 'Western civilization'. You are aware that the history of western civ wasn't like the Norman Rockwell paintings, right?

>>9826310
Individual countries perhaps but 'the west' never functioned as a cohesive whole until 1945

>>9826320
Whoa my dude... I think you're giving Mr. /pol/poster a lot of credit here.

/pol/ and all the other white nationalist kids love to forget that basically every European country hates every other one and there have been continuous wars and conflicts throughout most of its history

>>9825853
I have a huge collection of journals and commonplace books that I filled with thoughts and reviews, but I don't share that shit publicly. I'm narcissistic enough to have a trip, but not enough to start a blog.

>>9825438
Most of this is going to fuck over Africa and Asia isn't it?

>>9826282
It's literally dying. As in Western women aren't having enough babies to replace its population, so they have to import workers from the third world who bring their cultures with them. Whether or not this new population will end up adapting to Western culture entirely is still something we'll have to wait and see.

>>9826300
Hey man fuck off. Can we not turn into /pol/? Just because someone disagrees with the notion the West is dead/dying doesn't make them some reddit colonialist. Also you accuse him of being a leftist subversive when he's admiring capitalism.

>>9826351
Not to sound conspiratorial, but according to some research this will make Northern territories more tolerable, which will increase Russia's livable and arable space by a shit-ton. Russia is supporting climate skeptical regimes all across the world.

>>9826320
Western societies didn't have more group cohesion before? Relativism, radical individualism (for gentiles), white guilt, and competing ethnic preferences were always at these levels? Self-abasement and love of diversity and multiculturalism were always rewarded so liberally? I'm not saying there wasn't conflict, obviously there was, but now it seems that all social classes feel rectitudinous for seeing their own values as conflated with the elite's interests.

>>9826330
Fucking idiot. Have you ever thought of why?

>>9826372
Leftists today are vicious technocrats.

>>9826375
Russia had us in checkmate from the beginning...
There's something about that dastardly imperial Russian realpolitik that I really can't help but find very sexy. I wonder if thats true.

>>9826393
Russia's been in 15D chess mode since perestroika. Anne Applebaum spoke about being in a room full of Russian oligarchs a few years after the fall of the Berlin wall, and they were talking about how stupid most of their fellow countrymen were, and how they were going to make a shit-ton of money under the new regime.

>>9826380
>Calls me a fucking idiot
>After spouting a bunch of retarded nonsense about "multiculturalism"

>>9826380
Let me guess, is it because of the Jews? I appreciate unfalsifiable totalizing as much as the next guy, but I'm more of a "lizardman Illuminati" fan myself

>>9825438
Funny, they said the same thing would happen by 2020 thirty years ago.

>>9825344
>Rome fell to Christians because the pagans had fewer children.
Hmmm is that ' 74. Ethnic dissolution ' or ' 17. Barbarization ' on the 210 reasons for the fall of Rome?

>>9826442
Yeah, you seem like an intellectually honest guy..

>>9826462
I'm assuming you're referring to my comment about gentile identification. Am I wrong in claiming that ethnical identification is reserved only for ethnical minorities?

Nice mental defences both of you have

Who the fuck is this creep turning every discussion on /lit/ into a tirade against Jews?

>>9826214
>meme response

Got anything substantive to say?

>>9825224
You can't predict the future.

>>9825304
>No, it's entirely about race. The race is what creates the culture
Ask me how I know that you're an American mongrel

>>9826635
Ask me how I know you're a jew trying to d&c whites.

>>9826818
>t. /pol/tard mongrel: the post
You're so obsessed with "muh white race" because you have no identity

>>9826876
t. Schlomo Shekelstein

>>9826375
That is far fetched. Geopolitics doesn't work like that, great powers have investments to allocate their resources to, while protecting Assad to protect their petroleum trade via pipeline prospects is a very likely reason for russia's actions on the world stage.
Your stuff is definitely without substance.
>>9826393
I would echo that.
>>9826411
>Anne Applebaum
dude she is a SJW. I have her books, nothing but stuff about "oppression" "subjugation" how do you expect me to not question her credibility when she is married to a polish govt. office holder , poland a country that is known to harbor the highest russophobic pitch in the world.
Her fucking reputation is built on badmouthing russians,past and present.

>>9826881
Sweet tears. 56% white country, right, my white supremacist friend?

>>9826887
I'm not American but nice try, I won't fall for your low tactics.

>>9826886
>t. Putin
Applebaum is a center-right moderate at worst. Didn't she write for the fucking The National Review and Weekly Standard? I'd take her positions on Russia with a grain of salt, but her reputation is too established to accuse her of flat-out lying.

>>9826133
>Actually it's more about tribe and ethnicy than race, because there are distinct sub-cultures of the general culture/race. Race is a modern buzz-word.

absolutely agree, look at my country, to you we look like 2 ethnic groups(north with wheatish skin and south with darker skin) with a religion (yes indeed with a truckload of sects to differ) to bind us but the country is very much heterogeneous on regional lines with every state in the south possessing its own language and to this day people in those states are campaigning for recognition as seperate states see Gorkhaland ethnic nepalis in West Bengal who want to be part of the Indian Union but refuse to be bundled with the Bengalis.

>>9825438
>But after billions of people die there's going to be the rich intelligentsia left to rebuild the world.

The same rich intelligentsia who destroyed the world for luxuries?

>>9826918
>I'd take her positions on Russia with a grain of salt, but her reputation is too established to accuse her of flat-out lying.
>of flat-out lying.
I never said she is "flat-out lying" she is however because of her fucking choice to dedicate her scholarly work to be anti russian in tone undermines her "objectivity" "unbiasedness"

Stop with this silly "t." business
I am pro russian yes I admit but expect me to call a spade a spade, I would be honest enough to tell you that in being pro russian it is my self interest that I cater to just like Ms. Applebaum.

>>9826887
Whites should get a good look at this jew here. These sick people are your enemy, get it? They hate you and are the main people who have organized the current dispossession taking place. It's not capitalism, it's not muh system, it's the jew. That's why we must rid ourselves of these individualist traps and come together to remove the jew once and for all, he is deranged and an enemy of mankind.

>>9826918
>Applebaum is a center-right moderate at worst. Didn't she write for the fucking The National Review and Weekly Standard
didn't address this part sorry.
I don't know what your definition of social justice warrior is but mine is "a person who furthers the cause of social justice and righting social wrongs and inequality" aka a progressive liberal, this is while a very noble political stance but in the realm of geopolitics a naive one won't you agree.
And yes her being polish mainstream affiliate her tone is obviously russophobic, I am not discounting her, public opinion in the international community is. It has zero to do with her affiliation to specific political parties or spectrum inside poland.

>>9826918
>Applebaum is a center-right moderate
(((Applebaum))) is a jewish extremist agitating against white interests in a white nation. If you can't identify the jew and recognize their interests in relation to your own, you don't have a good understanding of the political situation in the west. Jews do not think like you, they think strictly in terms of what's best for their group.

>>9826932
Her academic career is focused on Soviet history, which includes all nations under the domain of the Soviet empire. She's not anti-Russian, she's anti-Putin and anti-Communist, which are perfectly defensible stances to take.

I just thought her tidbit added to the conversation about Russian cynicism, which even someone like you can't deny. Russia doesn't even pretend that it's foreign policy isn't just purely self-interested.

>>9825410
>taking...their careers seriously
This may be the most semitic thing I've read on this whole site. I hope it's ironic

>>9827041
>she's anti-Putin and anti-Communist, which are perfectly defensible stances to take
A perfectly normal position, considering she is/was based in Poland and her husband is the former Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs. Americans do not understand this, but people who lived under socialism hate commies, and the ones who were part of the Eastern Bloc hate Russia in general

>>9825853

Moron.

>>9826959
She's not a Foucault reader concerning herself with the dismantling of dominant power structures and complaining about the patriarchy all day. She's not what people mean when they refer to social justice warriors. Her moralizing doesn't come from a Samantha Power "let's help the world" perspective, isn't done from a sense of allegiance to her home country (US) and her adopted one (Poland). It's a patriotic concern for her own country's prominence, which is much more respectable than the masochistic prism SJWs view all of their own nation's foreign policy through.

>>9826988
>>9827048
Literally nothing wrong with being Jewish

http://inference-review.com/article/trump-and-the-trumpists

Relevant article for all the nativist goofs itt.

tl;dr you're being played just as you've always been.

>>9827110
See, you say there's nothing wrong with being Jewish. However, the thing about this thread is the European future. Jews have been actively working to destroy Europe, wether you accept that or not. Instead of starting families and making a bigger slave force, or working and being taxed to pay for immigration, whites should turn the crosshairs on the real problem. Even if a small band of truly aware whites would try and purge the Jews, their sacrifice would be immeasurably important for the rest of the "white" (I'm including Anglos, Nordics, Meds, and Slavs) race.

Instead, Jews play on emotion and traditional appeal by saying start a family. That makes sense in a way. But it doesn't address the problem; it just prolongs the time to resolution. Muslims are a problem, but it's an orchestrated problem. Mexicans are the same.

I can't and won't help you, and I'm sure you'll scream nazi or return to /pol/ but you are inherently wrong.

>>9827161
Jewish prominence is the result of Jewish intelligence. That's it. Having an IQ that's an entire standard deviation higher than the next highest group will ensure that your group is disproportionately represented in positions of power. That's the way the world works. Do Jews tend to have a particular political bent? Sort of. There are a lot of prominent anti-immigration Jews who support Western culture, but there are also a lot of Jews who reasonably feel like the system that ostracized them for hundreds of years and murdered them by the millions in the last century might be worth critiquing. It's not a cabal, it's a culture of opposition that evolved during the hundreds of years of pogroms and state-sponsored prejudice.

>>9827161
>Jews have been actively working to destroy Europe
This is utter bullshit, though. It is bizarre to blame Europe's misfortunes on a group of people who count less than a million (excluding France, a country which the Jews are fleeing from, and the UK, which opted out of the "European project").

Europe can only blame itself for its downfall

>>9827236
try the redpill, cuck, their simply evil

>>9827236
You got it backwards, they were persecuted because they were in positions of power and were manipulating the nations they were in for their own profit

>>9827243
>France,a country which the Jews are fleeing from
what? please enlighten me.

>>9827245
Antisemitism is a crutch. You know those black people who blame whites and European imperialism for all of their current misfortunes? You're basically them, except with even less of a leg to stand on.

>>9827253
"The 5,000 departures in 2016 add to the record 7,900 who left in 2015 and 7,231 in 2014. In total, 40,000 French Jews have emigrated since 2006, according to figures seen by AFP."

It's a mix of

>>9827161
That's correct. Jeff is a mudblood though. Jewish propaganda created him and jewish power ensures that he will be a socially accepted genetic mistake in white societies as long as jews are in control of them; but if jews lose power, Jeff knows he will not be welcome, so he sticks up for his masters. He needs jews, and Jeff is a selfish guy looking out for his own self-interest.

>>9827265
Think your better off on reddit, kid. You refuse to see the truth

>>9827249

Read. A. History. Book.

>>9827243
It's not. Jews are in control of the most important institutions in the west, and you only have yourself to blame if you are ignorant of this fact.

>>9827270
>Paris (AFP) - Another 5,000 French Jews emigrated to Israel last year, figures showed Monday, continuing a trend that has seen tens of thousands quit the country after a series of attacks targeting the community.

The Jewish Agency of Israel issued the update as France marked two years since attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine offices and on a Jewish supermarket in Paris, where four shoppers were shot dead.
>https://www.yahoo.com/news/another-5-000-jews-quit-france-israel-agency-162800032.html

Ok so they were singled out during the terror attacks? News to me, mainstream media never reported that they were.

>>9827272
Take your meds

>>9827270
>It's a mix of
antisemitism, shit economy, etc

>>9827281
citation needed

>>9827290
> shit economy
and israel is better than france economically? dude enlighten me further.

>>9827286
>Ok so they were singled out during the terror attacks? News to me, mainstream media never reported that they were.
It was widely reported in Europe. Now, it is bizarre to me that a group of people would conspire to flood Europe with the same people that want to off them. But, per anon, these Jews are our greatest enemy, not the corporations, advanced globalisation, etc

>>9827290
The only questions here are 1) whether or not you're jewish, and 2) whether or not you're an uninformed white person or a mixed up mongrel like Jeff. This is 100% about you being uninformed, so you should ask yourself why that is.

>>9827274
I think you mean
> Read. A. (((History))) Book.
Also, stop wasting valuable oxygen, my hamster needs it more than you.

>>9827311
Dude, really? Do you have any understanding of the Oded Yinon, or Greater Israel, Plan? The expansive jewish state is exporting their potential enemies to Europe and increasing the jewish percentage of Israel in the process. Stop getting caught up in the theater of it, it's very simple, read up.

>>9827298
France is stagnating and everyone knows they're heading for a crash. They're that uncompetitive in general. That said, the fact Israel isn't that much better off actually supports my argument that it makes no sense these Jews are behind Europe's misfortunes. Why would one shoot himself in the foot like that?

>>9827313
I'm Croatian Catholic

>>9827325
> The expansive jewish state is exporting their potential enemies to Europe and increasing the jewish percentage of Israel in the process
Oh, another grand conspiracy. I guess Jews are outsorcing Europe's economies farther East, the Jews want an unfavourable trade deal with the US, and the Jews were the ones who legit invited every Syrian and Iraqi (read: everyone) over to Europe, Fucking Jews

>>9827249
Success breeds resentment. Euros were mad that Jews were in their land making more money than they were.
>"Take up the white man's burden and reap his old reward: The blame of those ye better, the hate of those ye guard"

>>9827272
Gene editing is gonna make your ethnostate irrelevant. This argument isn't going to matter a century from now if we don't fuck things up too badly.

>>9827335
>Croatian Catholic
Then there's no excuse for you being this uninformed. The Oded Yinon plan is laid out pretty clearly, there's no conspiracy here; you're simply uninformed on the topic you're attempting to discuss.

>>9827351
I knew you weren't that bright to begin with Jeff, but geez. Gene editing isn't going to happen anytime soon on any relevant scale. You are stuck with genetic dead ends, buddy. And because you're selfish, you think everyone is going to be happy being a mongrel like you. But white people don't want to be like you need to simply accept this.

>>9826380
>blames tolerance for western decline (which is not really happening)
>thinks that European wars were born out of something else
Germans and French a hundred years earlier we're raised as racial enemies.

>>9826876
burn

>>9827090
Elderly Tajiks speak fondly of the Soviet Union, but they're really a weird and lovely anomaly.

>>9827372
>Gene editing isn't going to happen anytime soon on any relevant scale.
In the next century? Political will, economic incentives, and social taboos will be the limiting factors, not the technology itself. And by the way, the racism and condescension make you appear much worse than they do me. If white people were so concerned with preserving their genetic purity perhaps they shouldn't have immigrated to a continent with its own native population.

>>9827389
Interesting. I know some Uzbeks that are dying to go back to the soviet way.

>>9827372
>Then there's no excuse for you being this uninformed
Ok, so the article you've read and years of brainwashing yourself by being part of a /pol/tard circlejerk makes you informed, while simple logic makes me an unenlightened peasant who doesn't see the grand conspiracy against the "white race"

>>9827389
I was thinking Poles & co. Their hatred towards the SU and their general distrust towards Russia is plain common sense. Don't know that much about Central Asians

>>9827418
>If white people were so concerned with preserving their genetic purity perhaps they shouldn't have immigrated to a continent with its own native population
What anon fails to realise is the fact that white people are not a single entity - "muh race" (much like racism) is a fairly recent construct

>>9827418
You live in a fantasy world, Jeff. Whites should look at Jeff's use of language here. He is a mongrel created by the normalization of jewish race mixing propaganda. He identifies against whites and pursues interests opposite to those of whites. He is our enemy, and our main enemy created him and uses his destroyed sense of identity to further their own interests, which Jeff, with the ignorance of a child, supports out of mere habit. Jeff is the sad remnant, the mutant, of a dying empire.

>>9827351
>Gene editing
Don't hold your breath. I'm old enough to remember all the great future things we were supposed to get 'any day now' in the glorious near-future year of 2000. All we got instead is Jewish pornography mainlined directly to your pocket screen.

>>9827463
>unenlightened peasant
Is that what you want to be? This is your choice here, buddy. I gave you the first step, the Oded Yinon Plan -- look it up. Since you're Croatian though, which is a country I've been to and enjoyed, look into your neighbor's experiences with jews -- this is nothing new. Jews have made their negative mark on your territory in the Balkans, start there. But in the meantime stop counter-signaling whites who speak openly about jews, or else you're going to sound like an uneducated peasant.

>>9827485
Whenever you walk outside are you just constantly outraged by the excess melanin? Do you have intrusive genocidal fantasies whenever you see interracial teenage couples? Do you ignore media made after the 1960s because of its racial inclusiveness? Being a crazy racial fanatic has to be exhausting

>>9827533
>Seeing interracial teenage couple
>Implying this happens

>>9827507
>look into your neighbor's experiences with jews
Which country are you referring to?

>Jews have made their negative mark on your territory in the Balkans, start there
I don't know about the problems countries in the Balkans had with the Jews. I mean, they were ruled by the Ottomans up until 150 years ago

>whites
Again, people in European ethnic states are their ethnicity first, white vs other races is an American thing (having no clear identity does that)

>>9827533
What I want is normal, Jeff, it is the natural state of things. You are an abnormality, understand? What's worse, however, is that you want everyone to be abnormal like yourself. Do not try to imply that what people like myself want is abnormal, because what we want is eternal, we want what mutants like you want to destroy. You are the problem Jeff, your ancestors were the weakest among us.

>>9827463
>I was thinking Poles & co. Their hatred towards the SU and their general distrust towards Russia is plain common sense.
Not really, it's just old geopolitical rivalry. Poles had a real chance at one point at being the Eurasian megaempire in Russia's place. The usual national Polish traits of autism and masochism messed it all up, and they're butthurt ever since.

At the same time there's a great deal of Polish-Russian cross-cultural interaction. Must be similar to the love-hate relationships between Western European countries before 1914.

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When I ride on the subway, and it's full of Africans and middle eastern people.

I often wonder if the few other Swedish people riding out on the blue subway line here in Stockholm even thinks about how weird it is. This thing that have gone on in the last 40 years or so.

>>9827581
My ancestors crossed continents. They fought in WWII, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. They brought themselves out of poverty and one of their descendants attended the best school in the world and worked in the capital of the greatest nation in the world. You're right, they were abnormal. Racial tribalism is for people who have no accomplishments attached to their name and have to appropriate the achievements of people who share a similar epidermis.

>>9827554
Actually, start with one of your own countrymen, Tomislav Sunic -- he's one of the best and has been for a very long time.

>>9827533
It's all about not being part of the massive change.
I don't like being around in areas full foreign people, we are different. It's very simple. I don't buy this "we are all so alike, we just need to get to know each other, eat some kebab, pray at a mosque, sing kumbaya" bullshit.

This comes from the fact that I grow up in a very mixed area.

>>9827665
I don't care about your mongrel background, Jeff. You don't have an identity it is in no way surprising that you're trying to downplay the importance of it and think people should cast it aside because of your gene editing fantasies. You are an outsider everywhere and have no identity. If you were willing to even to a reasonable extent accept this, you'd be a less despicable human being. But you want to drag everyone else down with you, and that's very ignoble. Your European genes came from the worst among us and whites are better off now that they're gone.

>>9827657
Södertälje commuter train line here. After Flemingsberg there's hardly any white people left on the train. I frequently wonder what people my parent's age and up think of the massive demographic shift. Of course no one's written anything on the subject for obvious reasons, but the experience of riding home among the foreign chatter makes me pensive and I know other's must share this feeling.

>>9827133
>Streeck and his wife live in part of the farmyard of a castle in Brühl, a small town close to Cologne.

Ah, no children as usual.

Really has a stake in the future, he does now, and his analysis is worth listening to...

>>9827707
Are your people starting to wake up? Are the younger generations going to stand up and reverse the destruction their parents caused?

>>9827695
I'm alright with identity; I'm a civic nationalist. And I'm quite comfortable in my skin. Natural selection has been kind to me, seeing how many Europeans my European genes come into contact with every Friday night. If you want to identify as being part of a larger tribe, I'd recommend going to church more often.

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>>9827707
>foreign chatter makes me pensive

Yes, something about Dasein, this. Makes both the native and the immigrant feel displaced and homeless.

>>9827695
>You don't have an identity
>tfw this anon's identity entirely depends on the fact that he is white
You can't possibly realize how pathetic this is.

>>9827808
What does your identity depend on?

>>9827675
>your own countrymen, Tomislav Sunic
He emigrated to the US 40 years ago and is kinda irrelevant here. He's just another American who thinks he's smarter than us (Europeans)

>he's one of the best and has been for a very long time
"one of the best" what? Croats?

>>9827612
I was under the impression that what the Poles feel about the Russian Federation, which, when it comes to its external policy, increasingly reminds everyone of the Soviet Union (it's not like they didn't e.g. invade Hungary), is similar what Croats, Bosniaks, Kosovars, etc feel about Serbia, which played the part of Russia in ex-Yugoslavia

>>9825224
The question people don't seem to ask is: is Western culture even worth preserving? Like the conservatives I don't care for revolutionary utopian fantasies but unlike them I don't see any reason to lament the death of Western culture. It's always left much to be desired.

>>9827830
>He's just another American who thinks he's smarter than us (Europeans)
Yes, he does kind of give off that impression, but he is still your countryman, has a lot a lot of intellectual experience, and understands the jewish question. You may not think it is important and be inclined to label those who believe otherwise "conspiracy theorists" but that's far from the truth. Tribal people conspire, that's just a fact. And this fact has been covered well by Sunic, who is a scholar from your nation and someone you should devote some time to reading and listening to instead of pretending you know you know everything at whatever tender age you're currently at.

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>>9827816
On my morals, my ethics, my will, my actions and my beliefs. None of these factors implies grounding your entire personality on whatever archetype the society you happened to live in pushed on you.
I would say that technically Jeff is the one with an identity here. You, instead, are nothing more than a shell of a man.

>>9827925
That's cute, but none of those things matter because, assuming you're white, your nation is being invaded by tribal brown people. The European is an individualist, and this is an honorable trait that has been responsible for our unique ability to innovate and create prosperous societies, but it has been used against us and must be transcended. Your individualist strategy and pretentious sense of your own morality is useless in an environment where foreign tribes are competing for ethnic spoils in your land. You think it's virtuous, but you're wrong -- it's harmful, naive, selfish, and myopic. This is not about you, it's about something much bigger than you.

>>9827905
>he is still your countryman
>who is a scholar from your nation
He's not, he's American. He's popular with the diaspora, not Croats from Croatia

>you should devote some time to reading and listening to
I actually have. He was even a candidate in the EP election here so I'm acquainted with his ideas on that particular topic, some of which I support. That said, he's an outsider, an American who is out of touch with our country, and who brings up ancient history (he's obsessed with Yugoslavia and communists) while talking about future

>>9827972
Then you are mistaking praxis with identity. One does not have to brainwash himself in order to support a political cause that may imply some compromises in his ethics and morality.
For what concerns me, I would have respected you more if what you are describing was just your facade, and that behind it there was an actual thinking, independent, creative human being.

Remember 9/11? They were Muslim and had brown skin.

>>9828065
I believe Bush was white and Christian.

>>9827707
>no one's written anything on the subject for obvious reasons
the OP book talks about this exact point

>>9828056
Who are you trying to fool? Are you under the impression that this personalized independence of yours is a result of your own unique character? Do you know why you think like the way you do? Because you were molded by something larger than that you're now selfishly pretending is a trait you alone possess. Not only has this made you myopic, but you are actually unknowingly defending something that is detrimental to your own long-term interests because someone else has told you that you will receive social benefits by pretending to be of independent noble mind. But you are not. You are just a selfish individual who is lost in your own moral masturbation and enslaved to a notion of individuality, even though that only exists inside of you due to the unique nature of your tribe. But since you don't understand this aspect of yourself, the big picture is lost on you. You are the weak, not the strong, because you can't yet transcend yourself.

>>9825224
So the book's good then? As a reader of the Spectator, I've read quite a lot of Douglas Murray's articles; I've also recently read Peter Hitchens' The Abolition of Britain. Would there be any new insight for me in The Strange Death of Europe?

>>9826946
I love white people and I enjoy that guys posts. "White nationalism" is an American 20th century concept - one that has not had much success and tends to trickle down to the dregs and deviants of your society. The concept of a white identity is one formed in a melting pot and mostly in opposition to other peoples displaced of their heritage like African slaves. Stop these histrionics of accusing everyone who criticises you being some evil Jew with a neurotic fetish for undermining muh white race

>>9827161
>Even if a small band of truly aware whites would try and purge the Jews, their sacrifice would be immeasurably important for the rest of the "white" (I'm including Anglos, Nordics, Meds, and Slavs) race.
Yeah really worked out last time didn't it

>>9827389
Read this in a khajiit voice

>>9828463
America until very recently was an upwardly mobile, affluent, 80-90% white nation with a population that was content to go along with the proposition nation narrative despite the dysfunctional African underclass and various other things because there was no reason to do otherwise. Of course white nationalism didn't seem necessary in that type of environment. But things change, have changed, and have changed rapidly for the worse. And many have seen these negative changes unfold before their eyes, they've seen their neighborhoods get swamped with alien mestizos and miscellaneous other mud people. They are merely changing with it, and while people who haven't changed with it like yourself, who still scoff and awe at any display of white interests like some 90s cuck, it's you who is behind the times ... and it's you who will be left out because you didn't adapt.

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>>9825224

>western
>civilisation

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>>9828488
It's worked out many times before. In fact, there are few things more consistent over the last few millennia than jewish expulsions.

>>9828160
Sorry, I meant no one in Sweden has written about it and if they have it's in fringe alternative media blogs that only preach to the choir.

>>9828533
You would be much easier to talk to if you dropped the incessant narrativity. You are constantly describing every political circumstance purely in terms of cause and effect from your /pol/ perspective with little nuance or recognition that you are humbly making inferences rather than omniscient revelations, categorising others as particular archetypical kinds of villains for their disagreements with you, and repeatedly prophesising people's future based on their place in your narrative.

Sober reactionaries are attractive for their assessment of the modern world, liberated from the optimism and political partisanship brought about by stakes in some particular utopian solution.

Revolutionaries, especially the easily impressed and less sophisticated, bring their revolution to every conversation they have. I wouldn't be particularly displeased if some grand white awakening was really occurring in the United States like you said, I just doubt that such a thing has happened or is happening on any large scale. Yes, white people might probably become more dissatisfied with multiculturalism and develop firmer group self-interest, but I seriously doubt it will ever manifest in the Nazi way you envision (in the States, at least). Nazism - perhaps an expression of something larger - was still an isolated thing, very particular to the time, place and circumstances in which it developed. It is not a "natural" tendency waiting to be unlocked and released, it is a thing particular to its time in history. Only conscious imitators like yourself are responsible for its continuing "relevance"

>>9828542
The largest attempt to rid the world of Jewry backfired terribly and only exacerbated the "problem"

>>9827236
>but there are also a lot of Jews who reasonably feel like the system that ostracized them for hundreds of years and murdered them by the millions in the last century might be worth critiquing

...Except in Palestine, where 70 years ago the Palestinians were purged from their homes and now live under illegal Israeli occupation.

To this day Israel is actively colonising the Palestinian West Bank. Yet it remains the one nation that seems to be able to get away with such behaviour.

Despite being able to exert their leftist will on almost every other issue, the Jewish diaspora remains unable to stop the racist behaviour of a Jewish ethnostate in the Middle East. Most shocking.

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was he wrong?

>>9828585
>from your /pol/ perspective
The main problem with your post is the assumptions you're making about myself and what I'm talking about. I've never posted on pol and have been there less than 5 times in my life. And I haven't used the word notsee because despite what you've been told, white identity is not tethered to what you correctly diagnosed as a particular thing from a particular point in history. But the larger point here pertains to the way you have been misinformed wrt ideology. What I'm proposing is not revolutionary, it's simply a state of nature, the way it's always been. What is happening now, which I agree is not happening on any massive scale quite yet, is a resetting of that. It was postwar jewish revolutionaries who took over western culture in that period and pulled everything out of sync -- inverted the norms of western societies -- but that was an aberration. I know you've been told it's "progress" your whole life, so you believe it is, but it is not. It is inversion, jewish inversion, which is what they do when they gain power -- what they were kicked out of Egypt for doing thousands of years ago. That's the revolutionary side. Men like myself are not proposing anything revolutionary, merely the reversal of what jews have done to our culture and society in the last ~50-70 years.

>>9828591
I tend to agree, unfortunately, but it's not quite that simple. They've also ramped up their attacks against us by importing all of these people into our nations this time, so the stakes are higher now and so will be the pushback when people inevitably start fighting back.

>>9825438
You give way, waaaaaay to much credit to mankind.

Nature corrects itself constantly. Without total fucking annihilation through Nuclear Armageddon there is nothing that the Earth's climate systems won't fix. And in time it fixes that too. Just without people.

>>9825438
>Soviet-Union-esque living conditions

So we'll have an equal society with free education, healthcare, transportation, etc? We'll have abundant food when famines aren't destroying the country as they had done before the rise of communism? We'll get ahead of America in almost every aspect?

Will it all be given up for Pizza Hut?

>>9827161

Cool story bro.

>>9828922
Please stay out of the discussion if you can't contribute anything of substance.

Do you people ever get tired of accusing your pet hated group of causing the Fall of Western Civilization and "Europe" (which most of you, for some demented reason, see organized as one big state inhabited by white people with only minor quirks in culture)? If this Western Civilization actually exists and it's falling for real, can it be a variety of factors?

>>9828943

It's as insightful as much of the piffle expressed in this "conversation" to date.

>>9828950
You know the same thing is happening in every white country, don't you? Although you are not educated enough to connect the dots, perhaps you should back up for a moment and acknowledge that you may not be as informed as you think, instead of chiming in with the assumption that others must be wrong and that your opinions dismissing their wrongness are important. Do you want to learn, or do you just want to barge into topics you aren't willing to learn about and tell other people it's they who are "deranged"? This begins and ends with your willingness to educate yourself on the jewish problem. It's not about anything else, friend.

>>9828964
Is that how you justify your inability to converse substantively? By telling yourself that your non-substantive opinions are as meaningful as anything anyone else has to say? I have bad news: life is going to be confusing for you.

>>9825224
The best thing you can do, anon, is to keep reading and working for the Europe you (we) want. Be a force for good. I'll join you.

>>9828950
Europe is not just a continent, it is a culture and an idea.

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>>9826918
>her reputation is too established to accuse her of flat-out lying

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>>9827657

I feel like a stranger in my own country.

>>9828167
>Who are you trying to fool? Are you under the impression that this personalized independence of yours is a result of your own unique character? Do you know why you think like the way you do? Because you were molded by something larger than that you're now selfishly pretending is a trait you alone possess.
You're aware of it, and I'm aware of it. As a human I am able to apply skepticism on what is presented to me, and said skepticism of course implies that some of my istinct may have been doctored by society. This does not mean that I can't do anything about it, that I can't escape it and that every sort of introspections would be something against nature.

>Not only has this made you myopic, but you are actually unknowingly defending something that is detrimental to your own long-term interests because someone else has told you that you will receive social benefits by pretending to be of independent noble mind.
I can say the same, and tell you that someone else told you to be a good citizen and to trust everything older people tell you. In fact I would say that this indoctrination is far more evident in you than in me: this is probably due to the fact that I have actually actively thought about what my national identity means.

>But you are not. You are just a selfish individual who is lost in your own moral masturbation and enslaved to a notion of individuality, even though that only exists inside of you due to the unique nature of your tribe. But since you don't understand this aspect of yourself, the big picture is lost on you. You are the weak, not the strong, because you can't yet transcend yourself.
You are thinking that trascendence through one's own nation's deeds is in fact a superior form of trascendence when compared to action and introspection, yet you offer no proof for it. For a starter such a proposition would be unacceptable to all those people who see the state as a power structure rather than an immanent concept.

>>9828854
>This is what tankies actually believe

>>9825539
You absolute fucking faggot, I wish I could slap you nigger

>>9825306
I see your thought patterns, however I feel like you're not considering that we're being replaced. That means that in the future people won't look back on our culture and want to replicate it. They're being taught that white cultures are toxic/evil. So in the future they'll embrace foreign cultures, and that'll make far more sense seeing we're being demographically replaced. So the "new Swedes", "new Canadians", "new Germans" and the "quintessentially British" will want to embrace imagery and thoughts from the cultures of their previous nations, whether that is Sudan, Syria or Somalia.

>>9827707
>I frequently wonder what people my parent's age and up think of the massive demographic shift.
Assuming your parents were born sometime after 1945, your parents' generation were the cause of the demographic shift.

>>9825265
kys felix

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>>9828854

Yeah just speaking personally I would rather eat at Pizza Hut than die in a famine, I'm not trying to disparage your favourite former country or anything though.

Why Hope? By John Zerzan

Easy read. Starts depressing but then he literally gives you reason after reason to be filled with hope for the future

>>9830286
Typical Murray reader.

>>9825306
>There will be no place for the weak
haven't you learned anything from Christianity?

>>9826310
>There was, however, a time when Western civilization had some sort of group cohesion and cultural pride.

you don't know wtf you're talking about

>>9830799
kind of this but also no, i mean, when West countries had group cohesion and cultural pride, they were fighting other Western countries

>I frequently wonder what people my parent's age and up think of the massive demographic shift.
they don't give a fuck, they don't believe in nothing

>>9827925
lol all of this shit changes ever 5 years or so
even your whole body changes every ..10 was it?

the only thing that remains true is your genes

>>9831517
That's a good point. Poster is a pretentious wannabe intellectual who has been told his whole life by tribal jews that being a hyperindividual is the only noble way to live, and he believes it. He has no awareness that he is the target of a jewish group strategy. A group strategy always wins against an individualist one, which is why jews promote hyperindividuality among whites, to disconnect them from their group interests, and ultimately weaken and destroy them. This is why you have to understand the jew on an evolutionary level. The jew has a semitic lizard brain, not a moralistic European brain.

>>9831517
Genes aren't static either, nor identical within an individual. How do you think cancer happens?

>>9826635
>American mongrel
>Italian
>Sicilian
>Scotch-Irish
>English
>German
>Spanish(?)
>Polish Jew
>Cherokee

I am attractive, though, so no regrets here.

>>9831550
everyone knows the jews invented cancer. just another attack on the purity of the white man.

>>9830125
>This does not mean that I can't do anything about it, that I can't escape it
Except it does if you don't understand *why* you think the way you do. Listen, I'm a white guy with a much bigger independent streak than yourself, and I've said from the start that the individualistic nature of Europeans is a good thing in general. It's a trait that allows creativity to flourish and is the reason why white people have created nearly everything on this planet -- we are Faustian.

However, it is detrimental when you have a highly tribal group like jews living in your nation, pulling on the levers of power, and manipulating your culture to suppress or make morally untenable appeals to collective interests among whites, and also creating a bunch of subidentities to keep whites from identifying with the one that is the most fundamental and important: racial identity. That is the problem here. I, after much time spent being a hypermoralistic, independently minded person, was able to see beyond the stage you are currently trapped in because I recognized that there was a bigger picture beyond myself and what I perceived as my own self-striving and individualistic morality, that my group was under attack by tribal jews, and that those jews were cultivating my sense of independence because it was beneficial to their group strategy. The scope of reality opens up, and priorities change. You will continue to be a pawn until you can see that whites have to fight tribalism with tribalism if we are going to be able to rid ourselves of the jew destroying our nations.

>>9831672
These semitic tactics to sway uninformed people by making them think jews aren't a problem are so redundant and lame.

>>9826258
>>9828215
Its more than good, its essential. Really, it is probably the most important book of our time.

>>9831517
your telomeres are shortening at every moment, random mutations gain a little more tractation in your body at the same pace. Think before typing drivel, or go back to /pol/, senor retardo

>>9825349
If that's their grand plan they inflicted it on themselves first.

>>9831544
Post a book or GTFO

Hey guys, I'm the guy who plays Howard (Jew) on the Big Bang Theory. Stopping in to let you know that Jewanon is 100% right and that you needn't reply to his posts except to agree with him and ask for guidance. Would a misguided person really derail threads on 4chan.org/lit of all places? This guy is reaching out to you across a vast gulf of ignorance and darkness. Perhaps he has alienated others but surely here, in this intellectual refuge, he will get the attention he deserves

>>9828990
It's happening in rich countries generally. Look at Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea. Wealthier nations with high asset prices and cost of living, and no countervailing force like religion to encourage children, have lower fertility rates.

>>9830712
>Doesn't respond to actual questions or arguments, only responds when people get tired of his bullshit
Wew lad, typical liberal if I've ever seen one

Nice thread. 0 books offered to OP

>>9834961
The post you're responding to was about population replacement, not fertility rates.

>>9835938
>what is "since the birth rates are so low we'll just pay foreigners thousands per household to live here"