Martin's view on beauty, poetry, love, biology and especially

>>9786170
London also had a heavy fascist strain imo
ME is merely a book against individualism

>>9786890
I bet you believe he wrote Might Is Right.

London certainly was an alcoholic who mythologised himself (he only spent one winter in the Yukon IIRC) and sho on and he also treated his workers like shit I believe, but he did write a lot about socialism, including The Iron Heel (breddy good) and some short stories where le working man gets fucked over by le piggy capitalist.

Also did anyone think that Martin Eden was quite poorly plotted at times, especially when he ends up with the poor girl at the end having only met her once before then IIRC right near the start of the book. It's a good book though, believe what you want OP. London is very pro individual in the sense that he acknowledges the brutal struggle of life vis-a-vis (don't know what that means by my subconscious told me it fits here) nature and society require a great deal of self-reliance etc etc Martin Eden also inspired Nabokov and is mentioned in Pnin as having been hugely popular in Russia at the time

>>9787102
It was poorly plotted, but I don't think that was his main focus anyway. vis-a-vis means face to face so it kinda fits but not really

Very often we get threads where people are confused because they agree with Raskolnikov or the Underground Man...

>>9786170
>and then I found that Jack London was a socialist and that he was against Martin's political agenda hence the suicide and that the book was actually supposed to be a critique of those kind of views

Did London ever actually say he was against Martin Eden's views? I find that hard to believe, and suspect that the "supposed to be a critique" reading is a tortured misinterpretation.

I basically agree with >>9787102's take on the book.

I see the turn towards suicide as reflecting London's feelings of doom and despair about life, which he expressed in first-person nonfiction like John Barleycorn.

I took the book as being something close to a roman a clef in which Martin Eden stood for something very much like the psychological life of Jack London.

>>9788458
This is from Wikipedia, not sourced:

>In a note to Upton Sinclair, London wrote, "One of my motifs, in this book, was an attack on individualism (in the person of the hero). I must have bungled, for not a single reviewer has discovered it."

So I don't know

>>9786890
>t. hasn't read The Iron Heel

>>9788033
Dosto is not condemning Reskolnikov and the Underground Man and their reasoning. He is exploring the psychological and social causes of their existence.The mistake in Raskolnikov's reasoning is clearly demonstrated in in the novel both on philosophical and storytelling level and the Underground Man in fact shows self-awareness of his own logical fallacy.
I see no part of Martin Eden that is there to demonstrate a flaw in Martin's reasoning. It all comes off as "poor Mary Sue, too good for this sinful Earth".