Can Rorty's ironist vocabulary be effectively redirected

>>9772539
I think so, and I would cite the last few years as the idea in practice.

>>9773130
Tell me more. I'm interested in the use of appropriation as applied to evolution in right wing politics and philosophy as it is presently occurs.

>>9773130
Can you elaborate anon? Conservatism is on the rise - thank God - but there seems to be a widespread false certainty about our core beliefs on the right with little recognition of contingency or room for doubt.

>>9773805
So what would you suggest as an exit plan I guess?

Yes it can OP.

>>9773805
>Conservatism is on the rise - thank God
Populism is on the rise. Burke would recoil in horror at the Republican Party's hard on for free trade, massive deficits, tribal politics and a lobotimized judiciary

>>9776022
>Populism is on the rise.

Yes indeed. I miss actual intelligent cultural conservatives. Am myself economically VERY left wing, but I have a lot of respect for the actually intelligent cultural right. Unfortunately reflection seems to be almost extinct on the right wing of today.

The conservative stance demands a cynical attitude that is orthogonal to the ironist, the kynic. Cynicism places one above the common fold, while irony equalizes absolutely.

>>9776042
But honestly that can be said for the left wing as well. I don't even need to mention the liberal centrist pieces of filth.

It is another episode of lefty/pol/ hijacks a thread about the right and for the right.

>>9776217
>public Tibetan loom weaving forum
>privacy from people holding different opinions
Pick one and only one.

>>9772539
Why would you want to do that? Are you rich?

>>9773801
>>9773805
I’m actually only aware of the idea through a secondary source on postmodernism in general but from what I’ve read, Rorty’s irony is an attempt at autonomy in the relativist, pluralist condition of postmodernity. Employed often as a shorthand for postmodern critique, it is a reluctance to take one’s own beliefs and preferences seriously in a seemingly ‘constructed’ world, due to the uncertainty of knowing whether another’s opposing beliefs are just as well-founded. What we know as ‘postmodern critique’ is based on the ‘reality’ seen by Marx, Freud, et al., but some of the issues should still seem familiar: lack of history in the ‘perpetual presence’ of conflicting interpretations jockeying for an otherwise unchanging institutional power; a distrust of politics, news, justice and consumer culture due to an awareness of image- and event-manipulation; genuine social relationships supplanted by technology, commodities and images. To the ‘reality’ seen by the right, postmodern critique and the ruling superstructure are seen as one in the same. As a result, the mechanics of irony produce some very interesting effects in the service of the right wing. Conservative irony, it seems, becomes an escape from the ‘final vocabulary’ of relativism and pluralism itself. Dispense with these liberal ideas and you open up whole new fields of postmodern criticism.

>>9777137
Bingo.

>>9777137
Beautiful.

>>9777137
>to the ‘reality’ seen by the right, postmodern critique and the ruling superstructure are seen as one in the same. As a result, the mechanics of irony produce some very interesting effects in the service of the right wing. conservative irony, it seems, becomes an escape from the ‘final vocabulary’ of relativism and pluralism itself. dispense with these liberal ideas and you open up whole new fields of postmodern criticism.

hells yes this

>>9776053
>orthogonal to the ironist
weird ass word choice. what did he mean by this?

>>9777137
Nonsensical horseshit. You're not fooling anyone.

>>9777183
Stay buttblasted, leftoid.

>>9777137
So relativism and pluralism...

>>9777223
Nope, you go THROUGH relativism and pluralism.

Russian Readers Of Rorty Make Conservative Turn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8vHEgbCR4

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>>9777290
Looks like someone doesn't want to be reminded of the abyss.
But don't worry, theres still an universality, that of strive and struggle.

>>9777137
What secondary source did you get this from and what else to you recommend reading?

>>9777593
Christopher Butler, Postmodernism -- A Very Short Introduction. Everything else I've just kind of picked up along the way, but this book has some recommended reading at the back. I got a .pdf of it online from somewhere after a Google search.

>>9777944
Leaving aside the Pomo, Botwinick's monograph Michael Oakeshott's Skepticism provides an interesting reading of his work in the context of apophatic theology suggesting that he succeeds in turning sceptical doubt back on itself to transcend through faith

>>9777137
nice.

lol but why would you want to

isn't he already old white and male enough

>>9777183
fooling a lot of people around here

>>9777137
"a secondary source" is ironic for "youtube video"

>>9777299
Kino.

ah, monsieur, unfortunately Rorty is a confirmed jew and homosexual

>>9780814
Fake news.

>>9779418
Interesting

>>9781484
you are fake news

>>9780814
Citation needed.

>>9784139
You are very fake news.

>>9785429
You are very very fake news family.