Why was sub-saharan Africa incapable of creating any literature

because they didn't have writing, paper, and newports?

>>9752499
They are busy working and starving to death.

>>9752499
Because they didn't know or care about literature

>see afrigan butt
>should i fuck or shud i write a book

Nobody to appeal to because Africa it was and still is, tribal.

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>>9752507
>>9752516
>>9752531
>>9752543
>>9752555
I was hoping for a thread with a bit more of a 'redpilled' feel to it, if you catch my drift. Infographics, politically incorrect jokes and observations etc. are welcome.

>>9752543
AIDS could make writing a book a little more appealing

>it's the /pol/ fishing for self-confirming comments thread again

>>9752562
>>>/pol/ is that way ---->

But for real is there any african literature of note? I always see african biographies or some sort of semi auto biography about a poor african villager who dindu nuffin and saved his village or something but not literature.

>>9752562
>Hey /lit/ im a newfag and i want to talk about philosophy and politics YEAH i know theres /his/ and /pol/ but whatever xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>9752543
This is more true than you think.

BUTt

Great subsaharan writers exist. Ben Okri has been mentioned twice today in independent threads by independent posters.

First 3 paragaphs of 'The Famished Road' vol. 1:

>IN THE BEGINNING there was a river. The river became a road and the road branched out to the whole world. And because the road was once a river it was always hungry.
>In that land of beginnings spirits mingled with the unborn. We could assume numerous forms. Many of us were birds. We knew no boundaries. There was much feasting, playing, and sorrowing. We feasted much because of the beautiful terrors of eternity. We played much because we were free. And we sorrowed much because there were always those amongst us who had just returned from the world of the Living. They had returned inconsolable for all the love they had left behind, all the suffering they hadn’t redeemed, all that they hadn’t understood, and for all that they had barely begun to learn before they were drawn back to the land of origins.
>There was not one amongst us who looked forward to being born. We disliked the rigours of existence, the unfulfilled longings, the enshrined injustices of the world, the labyrinths of love, the ignorance of parents, the fact of dying, and the amazing indifference of the Living in the midst of the simple beauties of the universe. We feared the heartlessness of human beings, all of whom are born blind, few of whom ever learn to see.

>>9752582
>who dindu nuffin
lmao, like how you slipped that in there. Fucking laugh every time people call them that (for newfags, it means 'didn't do anything' and refers to how they blame us for all their problems, when in fact they have destroyed our civilization

>>9752582

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Writers_Series

There was something of a renaissance in the 50s and 60s.

Since lots of African writers want to write in traditional languages like kikuyu instead of English/French I don't know whether African literature has declined since then or we just don't get translations.

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>>9752499

>>9752675
Thanks man, this is what I'm looking for. Got more?

>>9752675
/thread

This is literally it. These people are intellectually inferior on average.

What's with /pol/ and constantly trying to shit on africa? Obviously they're not as developed culturally/technologically/politically as western civilizations - it's fucking africa

>>9752708
We're simply superior as whites

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>>9752675
Italians confirmed superior European race. How will Western Europe ever recover?
Also
>Ireland

>>9752716
Name one thing you've done that makes you superior to anyone, mongboi.

>>9752793
We created Western civilization, numale

>>9752797
He said whites, not jews.

>>9752793
The blood of a thousand warriors flows through my veins, I am swole, I have a superior IQ, god like genetics and I am 100% hetero

>>9752675
>>9752675
It's kinda like that dog you keep in a cage only to beat it up when you let it out. And then you poke fun at how primitive he is, or yell at him for bein stupid and give him another kick before you shove him back in the cage, and then later in the evening as you scrape the remains off your plate into the trash, lit cigarette in your mouth and a fresh budweiser on the kitchen table, you complain to your jaded wife about how fucken stoopid that fucken stoopid do is before you get drunk enough to kick her ass too.

>>9752820
but whites have done everything to help those ungrateful negroes, our government sends them millions in dosh everyday, AKA foreign aid, but they blow it in stupid shit like grills and 40s. Hence the only solution is to bring back national socialism and genocide all jews, women and minorities

>>9752849
This. Praise fucking Kek.
Women and jews and normies and minorities won't ever get this, because they're too stupid

>>9752799
Earliest recorded civilizations evolved around the rivers Ganges, Eufrat, Tigris and the Nile. That's India, Mesopotamia and Africa. According to their own narrative, the Jews were slaves back then.

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>>9752499
Amos Tutuola is great. I've seen a couple of good african films

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrG545eAyJM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUMw4O59DIk

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>>9752849
Since this is a literature board, have a book:

https://politicalanthro.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/nkrumah.pdf

>>9752797
>we
He asked what you did. Try to keep up.

>>9752857
>According to their own narrative, the Jews were slaves back then.
Except all evidence pints to that being bullshit.

Because most black people can't talk about anything other than the blackness of their skin.

The best black writer ever was Machado de Assis exactly because he actually pretended he wasn't black.

>>9752797
>we

It's okay. I'll wait for you to think of something. I'm currently locked in the Cuckbox™ that came with my Feel the Bern bumper sticker. Judging by the smell of jizz and burnt tahini, I've still got a while before my gf is done with her Semitic lay of the night. I've got time for even the slowest anons.

>>9752820
Except everyone is a dog, and not every dog finds it way into a cage. Cages are earned.

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have you patricians perchance happened to read the works of Thomas Sowell? I consider Sowell to be one of the few 'based negroes', his books convinced me that democrats are the real racists

>>9752708
If the Jewish people could escape slavery and leave Egypt to become a modern and sophisticated bulwark of western thought, why not these Africans? We're all from Africa originally.

>>9752675
>Australia
>at or near 100
gonna have to call bullshit on that whole graph senpai

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>>9752675
If IQ is relative, 100 is the average, why is Africa so full of red? Their population is exploding tremendously, by 2050 half of the world will be Africans. Shouldn't this be bumped up with some kind of sliding scale? It's only fair.

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>>9753034
>click clack click

>>9753021
Any black that can read/write is by definition an uncle Tom. Why should anyone read the ideas of an uncle Tom?

>>9753045
>implying any blacks can read

>>9752849
10/10 laughed irl

>>9752499
Because they have no proper educational systems or anything.

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>>9753025
>>9753034
>dont let your entire country the enter to rapists (Read: immigrants)
>separate yourself literally for all low iq faggots and degenerates
>be rich literally for just living there
>living in a vacation location
>zero contamination

If that not intelligent idk lol!!!!!!

>>9752675
>be italian
>poor as fuck
>everyone makes fun of you
>olive skin
>you're actually smarter than most of the other european races
are they, dare i say, /our race/?

>>9753082
Where do proper education systems come from in the first place? Why do some people have them and some don't?

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>>9753289
>8th richest nation on earth despite terrible corruption and administrative inefficiency due to historical reasons
>poor as fuck
lmao

>>9754414
dude stop even trying, it's wasted time and effort. those leftists whores will justify enything in their weak minds. just as they justify the junkie, the lazy and the prostitute with ridiculous reasons, they will find an excuse to make for the negroesto avoid admitting that they are simply not humans

This has the correlation with "why was people in sub-saharan Africa can't make an advanced civilization like the western did?" and /his/ has been tired of this kind of topic.

>>9752761
I don't deny it, they did after all create Western civilisation. But why is Italy such a shithole atm?

Linguistic isolation and refusal to learn English, maybe? Come on Italy

>>9754477
>why is italy such a shithole atm?
literally what? dude you should get out of your mom's basement more

>>9754477
Greeks did it first now look at them. they were too busy resting on the laurels of their forefathers

>>9754477
as an italian, it's complicated

Italy north of Rome or so, excluding the islands, is practically France/Germany tier. Decent if underfunded healthcare, good education, beautiful places, competitive industry and a rich history.

South, it's Spain at best and Greece at worst. People don't even know their own language, healthcare's a joke, crime and corruption are rampant, there's very few industry to speak of.

I say this as someone from the deepest end of that south.

>>9752849
From >>9752925
>Faced with the militant peoples of the ex-colonial territories in Asia, Africa, the Caribbean and Latin America, imperialism simply switches tactics. Without a qualm it dispenses with its flags, and even with certain of its more hated expatriate officials. This means, so it claims, that it is ‘giving’ independence to its former subjects, to be followed by ‘aid’ for their development. Under cover of such phrases, however, it devises innumerable ways to accomplish objectives formerly achieved by naked colonialism. It is this sum total of these modern attempts to perpetuate colonialism while at the same time talking about ‘freedom’, which has come to be known as neo-colonialism.

>>9752499
Their stories are mostly oral

>>9752588
You're the newfag if you can't notice an obvious false flag.

>>9754670
So were those of the Ancient Greeks. Before they fucking invented civilization, I mean.

>>9752820
>we retarded cuz da white man be keepin us down n sheit

you need to be incompetent in the first place to allow yourself to be oppressed in that way

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>>9754650
Meanwhile Asia (higher IQ) is doing great, Latin America (bit dumb) is doing better than Africa (retarded).

They were all exploited, so that doesn't explain the difference. Both South-Americans and Asians had civilisations before whitey came though.

Really jogs the old noggin.

Geography.
Animal domestication.

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>ywn be a master linguist
>ywn understand the thousands of dialects spoken in Africa
>ywn have first-hand initiatory experience into a mystical oral tradition which spans possibly 100 millennia
>ywn be able to grasp something so innate to human nature that it requires no symbolic codification or synthetic conventions

Why even fucking live ?

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>>9752499
Illiteracy is the norm for most members of humanity. The vast majority of linguistic cultures, European or otherwise, never developed a corresponding script and so had to be introduced to or dominated by a culture which did have a script. The economic incentive to learn a language with a script became the basis for cultural dominance in the ancient world, and it is why only a handful of languages are spoken by the vast majority of the species, even though the number of existing languages without a script STILL EXCEEDS the number of languages with a script to this day.

Therefore if you are born into an insular community of traditionalist humans who never bothered with some of the technological developments (for one reason or another) you are less likely to economically succeed on a planet ruled by humans living under cultures with scripts and technology, et cetera.

Now whether domination of other humans makes you superior or whether restraint makes you superior, or whether cultural assimilation makes you superior, or whether "superior" is just a subjective snarl world, all of these notions have yet to be demonstrated as true, in my way of thinking.

>>9752562
It's not a Redpill if you're asking for it. The whole principle behind the concept, if you remember, is that neo is presented with it suddenly. He doesn't go searching for it the way keksters go searching for confirmation bias.

>>9755125
>Asia
>doing "great"
Yeah being sucked into an escalator on the way to your suicidally depressing job manufacturing phones is so great.

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>>9756431
Also even among so-called "superior" cultures with scripts and literature, most people refrain from the annoying chore of reading wherever possible, and prefer good company, drink, festivities, and physical activity.

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melanin muh mane

>>9752499

Because why the fuck would they try to compete for a NYT best seller.

A shaman would not reveal such knowledge to the Mainstream or un-initiated.

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>>9756427
>Why even live meme
Just stop.

>>9756436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBWDIzHldPg

>>9754650
Yeah That's exactly what I was talking about. We gave dindus their freedom, let them borrow a shitlot of money, and still they have the gall to blame it on whitey. If whitey wasn't there to 'exploit' them they would be worse off than they are now. The IMF's restructuring commissions are the only thing keeping Africans from relapsing into their natural cannibalism.

>>9756455
>meme
What if I actually feel that way trip fag?

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>>9755125
West Africa and Ethiopia had some quite underrated civilisations. Ethiopia was the first Christian state, even before the Romans.

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>>9756462
Don't mean to be too harsh with you, but we get a lot of frogs in here. Study the languages, do what you can in life. Enjoy it.
Here, watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBWDIzHldPg

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>>9756498
I don't think a dilletantish foray into languages will get me where I want to be. I'm starting to seriously consider literacy a hindrance.

>>9756498
Please watch this as a response to yours
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLs-JP5FGAg

>>9756549
Is this in critique to Epicurus?
If so, you didn't watch the video or understand Epicureanism, negative-hedonism.
If not. Here's another. (Can't find it in English. Well worth seeking out though)
https://vimeo.com/99962673

>>9752562
>I'm going to false flag as /pol/ today
y'all have been going ham at that shit lately

>>9756489
>West Africa and Ethiopia had some quite underrated civilisations


Indeed, this is the problem with eurocentrism. There's a history of combined and unequal development in Europe as well as in Africa.

>Why did an illiterate people with no writing system and an average IQ of 80 fail to create literature of value?
It's just one of those unsolvable questions. I would go ahead and blame white people; don't think too hard about it

>>9752582
In English? Chinua Achebe is the only one I know, and even he got shit on by KANGZ for not writing in muh traditional pyramid-building script.

For the general topic, consider that Africa is not a place conducive to industry or societal development. Even the Nile does not provide a solid foundation for civilizations beyond the stone and bronze ages; the river provides a great bounty of food, but being surrounded by desert greatly diminishes the habitable area, meaning population density is too highly clustered around the food source itself. Creates a feedback loop of requiring more food, to feed more people who then have to grow more food. You need a decentralization of food production before industrial development can begin in earnest.
And that's not counting all the rainforests and other geographical features that make Africa a shitty area for societal development long-term, nor is it accounting for biology, historical events, etc.

>>9756757
not being argumentative here but can you give a citation of your post?

I'd like to do some reading on this. I've recently become interested in African and Carribean studies.

>>9754457
christ almighty

>>9756793
Don't have a citation, its just my conjecture and I'm sure someone more educated on later Ptolemaic Egypt could expand on the subject. But for a general treatise on how Geological factors influence societal development over the long term, ignore the memes and check out Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond.

>>9756805
excellent, thanks a lot

>>9756805
>>9756757
>being surrounded by desert greatly diminishes the habitable area

don't listen to this guy, he doesn't get it, the desert formed a natural barrier allowing them to build a civilization without having to funnel all of their resources into military shit, but the coast allowed them to participate in trade across the Mediterranean and levant, it's the same thing that allowed rome to flourish, its close enough to the coast for trade, but has the alps blocking of any army marching in unexpectedly.

>>9756837
>allowing them to build a civilization without having to funnel all of their resources into military shit

this is an interesting point. I recall hearing from somewhere that finding ways to conquer others was what really motivates the development of technologies (i.e. both social and scientific). So considering the geography of Europe as a continent and the UK, this may give some reason as to for, for lack of a better term, "uneven development'...?

>>9756837
>the desert formed a natural barrier allowing them to build a civilization without having to funnel all of their resources into military shit, but the coast allowed them to participate in trade across the Mediterranean and levant, it's the same thing that allowed rome to flourish
True, but other early civilizations did more with less than Egypt, so to speak. And really it's not about a given society, it's more about the population within that society over a given stretch of time. Point being that Egypt possessed a huge number of benefits, but lacked a lot of basic developmental necessities - they had tons of open space, sure, but desert is not optimal terrain for developing localized agriculture which meant that there was a constant decision to be made about using the available arable land for food or industry, and food nearly always won. Yes they had irrigation projects to expand the land, but that still contributed to the feedback loop of agricultural development > population growth > agricultural development
Egyptians did not have wheels until much later than other early civilizations, for example. Why? One reason is that you just don't need a wheel for farming the same way you need it for industrial development.

To compare, other early societies outside of Africa and its deserts and rainforests had to contend with military invasion much more often, but they also were able to decentralize much more rapidly, which both made them more resistant to the damage caused by warfare and allowed them much faster industrial development. Hell, the Romans were bringing water wherever they wanted it, and used aqueducts for irrigation, industry and whatever else they wanted at will - as were various early civilizations closer to Egypt chronologically, albeit on a smaller scale.

And again, this is just one geological factor. Africa has almost all the cards against it, and what handful of advantages it did have were near irrevocably destroyed by various historical events including but not limited to the Atlantic slave trade.

>>9756886
>other early civilization did more with less than egypt

who did more with less than egypt? mesopotamia? the civilization between two rivers between two deserts?

>>9756886
>Why? One reason is that you just don't need a wheel for farming the same way you need it for industrial development.

the wheel was used for warfare, they had the nile to transport goods, they only need the wheel for chariots, the most advanced military tech at the time, but since it's a bitch to get across the desert with chariots and horses, they didn't need it as much as say central europe where they are vast open plains and a bunch of motherfuckers in chariots can just roll up on you at any time from any direction

>>9756901
And you're confirming my point. The Egyptians did not need the wheel for anything they were feasibly capable of doing with the tools provided them, so they had no impetus to develop its use for industry at a later point in time. They effectively stagnated despite a having a very advantageous early era.

>>9756890
Well again, its less about the society itself as it is the people in that region. Yeah Mesopotamia itself did not go onto outlast Egypt, but because of the tools available in that region of the world there were many competing societies that progressively added up to far outstrip Egyptian society (or, more broadly, the Nile River region). And again, this is thanks to more factors than just availability of arable land, that's just a prominent example.

>>9757016
the egyptians had the wheel fairly early, yes, "aryans" in central europe probably invented the wheel and had it first, but it's not like egyptians didn't have the wheel and chariots fairly early in their civilization, trying to argue that egypt didn't develop industrial capitalism as early as england or italy because they didn't have the wheel is totally wacky

>>9757027
>trying to argue that egypt didn't develop industrial capitalism as early as england or italy because they didn't have the wheel is totally wacky
And that's not what I'm arguing, but keep plugging that strawman

>>9756709
>eurocentrism
You fuck your work before you even begin. Everyone who's anyone knows how young Europe is compared to the rest of the world. Doesn't change that you are doomed to obscurity and mediocrity if your entire religion is "it's eurocentrism, it's whitey filtering our stuff."

It's why no one gives a fuck about Britain anymore and it's sexually fucked, inbred-at-the-same-time-mongrel population, yet they ruled the planet a century ago.

Get your head out of another race's ass.

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Literature is for those with the privilege of leisure

picture never been more related

>>9757478
Jealous as that I'm not a fucking teenage warlord snorting cocaine and gunpowder and raping wherever I go to the point that it seems like a chore. What are you doing with your life that can even compare to that undiluted will to power? Reading books?! I guess you'll blame the Jews for cucking you now. Try to remember the race war isn't about the racism, it is about the heady and sinister joys the highs and lows of irrational combat of all against all. Only nerds think it's about the fucking bell curve holy fuck

>>9757495
I was just answering the OP your reply is a meandering non sequitur are you sure you're not snorting cocain and gunpowder?

>>9757495
'wherever I am, i must also rape' nigga is a nietzschean superman. He lives the fully authentic life sought by the situationist international.

>>9757510
Conventional morality is for conventional minds. Rape nigger is Kurtz in the flesh. Rape nigger is a modern Rimbaud. Rape nigger composes elegies in three round bursts. Rape nigger has known everything about mankind and has learned to forget it all.

>>9757521
what makes this nigga and Napoleon different? one is giant of history, and the other just a random meme, but both men who took what they wanted.

>>9757550
I wouldn't call rape nigga a giant of history

>>9757550
Napoleon pillaging Moscow, Hitler riding a tank through the arc d' triumph. What is a Nobel laureate in literature compared to a life so authentic, so true ? Africa has given birth to a rare genius and we only know him as a meme. Maybe it is for the better because this rape nigga isn't even bound by the confines of history. He is out there raping, as though eternity didn't exist.

>>9756757
>>9752582
Thiongo is great

>>9757561
>DFW writes a debatably good book
>hangs himself
>rape nigga rapes a village
>hangs them all
Just because he wanted to see what it would look like not in his feverishly dreaming head, but in the flesh, in the real text of a man's life, flesh and blood.

>>9757457
do shut up

>>9757478
I can't get over this dude. How do the /ppl/ dancers feel when faced with this kid? This literal teenager, out there living and breathing total war when they are literally the stereotype of a kvetching Jew, rubbing their hands at abortive attempts to "trigger", this nigga pulls a trigger. I say nigga now as I respect him to much to call him a nigger, he is certainly ignorant of nothing

>>9752675
Why is East Asia like this?

>>9752562
Is this ironic retardation, a genuine le pol memester, or someone false-flagging as /pol/? I honestly can't tell anymore. Whether /pol/ or /leftypol/ please leave.

>>9758672
Confucianism created worker ant mentality.

>>9755125


it occurred to you that thin people looked depraved
and interesting and because of that they were treated different.
you also noticed all the fatty foods you craved
were made of meat and dairy so you were all in for veganism.

you didn't say it was so that you could look deathly ill
but because "animals are people too and why should they be treated different?"
that's the only self-denial university instilled
because in a post-modern way you'd given yourself over to hedonism.

>>9753022
Africans have been escaping for last 3 years though

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>>9752507
>>9752516
>>9752531
>>9752543
>>9752555
>>9752562
I love this fucking board.

>>9756431
good post

>>9758800
we need less people like you.

>>9752707
why aren't we surrounded by mind blowing chinese media then?

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>>9758687
Worker ant mentality created confucianism

>>9752499
Because the monasteries that helped bring literacy to Europe by the request of Charlamagne by establishing Carolingian miniscule were in Europe, not Africa.

>>9752716
You're simply inferior to the Chinese, then.

>>9752810
>hurr durr warior
kek
>all i know in life i learned from wow

>>9758849
And Jews.

>>9756489
Ethiopia was not a negro state, negroes reached Ethiopia after its establishment. It was a semitic civilization.

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>>9757510
>Nietzsche advocates hedonistic debauchery
congratulations you're the 10,000,000th person to have misunderstood Nietzsche, please enter the wood chipper to receive your prize.

>>9752499
Poverty due to shitty geography.

>>9758949
>one of the richest areas of the world with abundant natural resources
no

>>9758824
Confucius created Confucianism.

Because literature is a symptom of decay and sub-Saharan Africa is a living culture.

>>9758974
Queen ant created worker ants.

>>9752499
Because n*ggers are DUMB OK???
HAPPY NOW???

>>9758974
Same way Socrates created Platonism.

>>9752675
>>9752702
>>9752707
>>9752761
>>9753034

are you guys seriously so retarded that you don't get that an IQ test only measures intelligence by the closest avaliable measure? Reading comprehension, math, verbal ability are all indicators of intelligence but they ARE not intelligence. Hence, someone can be intelligent on a cognitive level but without being proficent on the indicators of intelligence that the IQ/WAIS-test measure. Education on what the WAIS-test measures are subpar in developing regions such as Africa and therefore, test scores will obviously be lower. This is a board where you discuss philosophy, I thought you were smarter than this, jesus christ

>>9759028
Anon, perhaps you are new, but these threads have been memed to such a saturation that people now ironically agree with them and probably even ironically make them in the first place.

>>9752499
None of the posters of /lit/ are capable of creating any literature of value. Therefore every single one of us is a negroidaloid.

>>9756489
>Ethiopia was the first Christian state
That would be Armenia.

>>9758957
Over abundant resources are actually prohibitive towards innovation. Easy game, plentiful farming, etc. doesn't motivate someone to travel to find what they need. Some tribes don't even comprehend that as they approach a mountain it doesn't actually grow. It isn't because they are stupid, it is because of their ground-object processing is radically different from living in a jungle.

>>9760489
>Africa sucks because it was too accommodating for its native people
Good thing those Europeans showed up then to turn up the difficulty, huh?

>>9759028
Whatever the intricacies of the matter, it's obvious that Africans are of lacking in the skill set the modern world requires.

If you want to call them dumb or meme it around in some other way that still adheres to holy equality doesn't really matter, dress it up the way you want, call them authentic and beautiful and pure, make excuses, but ultimately the going hypothesis will still be 'people of sub-saharan heritage are of low intelligence'.

>>9760530
It did produce Frantz Fanon and Albert Camus among others so maybe.

>>9760489
>Some tribes don't even comprehend that as they approach a mountain it doesn't actually grow.
how high are they?

>>9760543
They aren't I don't think. They simply have no reference for it. They are however able to distinguish light and shadow at levels that would seem superhuman to wypipo.

>>9760548
Sounds interesting as fuck desu. What is the tribe called?

>>9752507
Yep sadly it didn't came out of nowhere so they had no reason to invent it themselves.

>>9760540
>the skill set the modern world requires

ie. living on soylent, mindlessly toiling for corporate masters

>>9753011
>he thinks he said anything at all

>>9758857
are the jews on top? or the chinese?
the chinese jews maybe?

>>9760742
I'm not saying the game is fun or good, but once you're in modernity it's better to be able to navigate it.

>>9754670
So were the Irish but we still birthed some of the best writers to have ever loved with a tiny population while recovering from almost a millennium of Tan oppression. Unlike Africa we were doing fine before we got colonised.

>>9760714
God I wish I remembered but it's been so long :/

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>>9753289
>>poor as fuck
>>everyone makes fun of you
>>olive skin

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>>9752499

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>>9761137
Yes so poor

>>9761151
>>9761158

Isn't Botswana the one functioning country on the whole continent?

>>9761171
even shitty african countries have educated/westernised elites

>>9752499

Because the average IQ of a sub-saharan is so low that they had to lower the bar for the definition of "legally retarded" in order not to declare all Africans "legally retarded, and in so doing be evil racists.
>Writing
>Mathematics
>The wheel
>The sail
>Carpentry

There's a reason that the subsaharan not only failed to invent any of these things on his own, but to this day can barely comprehend then. Only the Australian Aborigine comes close to the African's inherent primitivity.

>>9759028

So then why are African Americans also well behind the median iq? By all means, philosophize it for me

>>9756709

Which of those civs were not satellite states created and propped up by Muslim Berber and Arab slave traders, again? None? Oh

>>9761401
>>9761179
>>9761426
Rambling and not convincing anyone? Why don't you stay in your hugbox?

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>>9761171
No ,Friend knows of a country other than the United States?

>>9761433
>>9761433
>I'm /lit/erate
>Lol stop rambling multisyllabic hate-facts at me lmao
>You should go to a hugbox, you know, a place where nobody challenges your beliefs, because your challenging of my beliefs is unsettling me

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>>9761171
https://youtu.be/277-xWW9hoc

>>9761459
You're not challenging anyone's beliefs is my point. /lit/ is apolitical outside of /pol/ shit. You're not going to convince anyone here and you'll only get positive remarks from people who already think the way that you do.

>>9761459
Wtf I hate minorities now.

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>>9761171
Please illiterate yankee

>>9761466
You can't be convinced because you're an anti intellectual idiot with indefensible positions as building blocks of your being.

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>>9761171

>>9761507
>if you don't believe in what I do yer an idiot
Nice rhetoric bro.

Enjoying these pics of stunning African Metropoli

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You know why

>>9761507
Thank you I see how far your intellectual understanding comes, friend, you are the type of person who thinks best because he is an "intellectual".

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>>9761433
>g-go back to your hugbox this is a left wing safe space my /r/books bros promised m-m-me!!

>>9761526
I said apolitical you faggot. Political cumchuggers not welcome get it?

>>9761516
WOAH tall buildings
>>9761521
Denyinh reality is cool, at least you won't be a "pseud" am I right, dumbo?

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>>9761516
Enjoy

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>>9761539
>OP asks inherently political question
>get upset when someone gives an accurate political answer
>froth and foam and pretend that you're triggered because politics is being discussed, and not because it's the sort of politics you don't like that's being discussed

leftism is a mental illness. /r/socialism or /r/books would be better suited to your mongoloid views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Inq-nszYdo

Leaving africa to the africans was a mistake. we have to go back

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>>9761546
Demons everyone knows that racism was created to favor slavery

>>9761546
>op starts a /pol/ bait thread
>you lack self awareness so profoundly you either a) believe that I will believe in your feigned naïveté or b) actually don't recognize a transparent bait thread and are probably drooling involuntarily

>>9761445
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JghwkWw4pek

>tfw no Namibian gf

>>9761546
>leftism is a mental illness
Nice stormfront slogan. You'll never have /lit/ you cunts

>>9761558
>op starts a /pol/ bait thread

It's a bait thread for crusty hunchbacks like you, to which you have demonstrated your lack of self-awareness and sperged all over the thread because someone gave an answer you don't like. have a nice day and i'll see you tomorrow ;)

>>9761545
It's so cool I want to visit Africa. Fuck the "backpacking across Europe"

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>>9761171

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>>9761564
>Nice stormfront slogan. You'll never have /lit/ you cunts

here here fellow comrade! to the gulags with him!

>>9761567
Didn't read your post but I will say you're a fucking homo don't bother replying I'm shutting off my computer now.

>>9761574
>homophobia slogans on /lit/

eww, was that really necessary?

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>let me post these decaying tower blocks probably built under british rule that will show him africa is a functioning continent

absolute state of our rubbery-lipped day trippers, wasting their communal dial-up fighting stereotypes about their sub-saharan shitholes. don't you have poz porn you could look up instead?

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>>9752499
Anton Willghen Amo was an African from what is now Ghana, who became a respected philosopher and teacher at the universities of Halle and Jena in Germany after studying there

>>9752543
btw males judge females by the face, and african women have ugly faces

>>9752582
Alexandre Dumas

>>9761743
In that case, can we add Pushkin to the list? Both were 1/4 black and both were culturally European.

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>people in the first world with better education have higher test scores than people in the third world.

really makes ya think

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>>9761582
Hmm, maybe try reading some about the development going on in African cities? It's not from colonial times you ignorant frogposter, most of the growth of cities like Addis Ababa has been from the emergent middle class as the US and USSR have finally stopped creating puppet dictatorships in any African country they can.

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>>9761831
>causation and correlation are the same thing

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>>9761831
>people in the first world have created better education for themselves and people in the third world haven't

really jogs the old noggin

>>9761426
because they're fucking poor and don't pay attention in school because their mommies beat them at home. it's like asking why a starving man isn't as strong as a healthy one.

>>9752608
Holy.... i need more!

>>9752675
> haiti

>>9752675
Australia should be lower because of the Abos and Irish

>>9762008
I-is she o-okay?

>>9761924
> the US and USSR have finally stopped creating puppet dictatorships in any African country they can.

we all know that's not true anon

And it's not nations doing the puppeteering anymore, but internaional corporations

>>9762457
>implying saudis arent the ones doing the puppeteering now by way of isis and every other off brand terror outfit they fund

>>9762457
At the very least, the countries that are experiencing the growth shown aren't getting violent dictators who drive their economies into the ground.

>>9762467
Saudi Arabia is the sworn enemy of ISIS, they're seen as Western lapdogs

>>9761466
He convinced me

>>9761831
Doesn't explain huge divide in test scores, including IQ and standardized academic tests, between members of different races but within the same economic class.
Blacks perform consistently worse than whites of equivalent background even in good schools, with solid 2-parent families, upper class backgrounds, and every other traditional social indicator of intelligence. Black student scores still do improve about as much as you'd expect as you move up the totem pole, but are consistently lagging behind white students'.

This is especially noteworthy because African-Americans have been integrating into western culture since, at the most conservative estimate, the 1860s - but their intelligence indicators do not seem to be normalizing. Compare this with Jewish or Asian scores, both contemporary student scores and historically-derived scores, where we see a solid increase in average intelligence scores over time up to a point of rough equality or even exceeding equivalent white scores. Part of this can be blamed on the much larger size of the black population, and the difficulty with redistributing that population into more economically profitable areas (as immigrants typically distribute themselves in areas of rapid economic growth), but that doesn't suitably explain either the delayed average growth of the black IQ or the consistently low scores from blacks of higher economic standing.

Not that American black IQ scores really speak for Africans (and I'm sure their are completely separate factors beyond genetics that are contributing to the intellectual stagnation of both populations), but it is evident that access to better economic situations, and through that better education systems, does not innately improve average intelligence.

>>9762649
>their are
Someone please fucking kill me goddamnit

>>9762649
>the difficulty with redistributing that population into more economically profitable areas

this already happened during the "great migration" and only resulted in places like Detriot becoming what they are

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>>9761445
>>9761464
>>9761489
>>9761512

Wow, it's like an African version of Winnipeg!

>>9762658
True, but again consider that there have historically been WAY more blacks than any other minority group in America (barring maybe Mexicans depending on how you crunch the numbers, blah blah).
So even if you stuck as many of them as possible in economically beneficial areas and kept those places from going to shit, you wouldn't be able to raise the average IQ very quickly because you'd still have Big Nigger Jim out in the fields and his 75 cousins all dumb as a rock.

Similar explanation for why white American IQ reads pretty low for one of the most advanced industrial nations in the world, got a lot of dumbshits bringing the counts down (t. Anon who lives in Allybammy). The difference, again, is that the black average IQ is just not catching up to the national average despite having a much longer amount of time to do so.

>>9762670
ok the thing is, it's not like liberals don't know this, but since there's nothing anyone can do about it, they try to integrate the higher functioning ones into american life as much as possible so we don't end up with some "time machine" future with eloi and morloks

>>9762670
>>9762658
Oh, also want to add that to a large degree, the issues with The Great Migration were direct results of antebellum Democrat efforts to socially engineer slave populations into being unable to function in greater American society. I don't believe that argument can be used 150+ years later with any degree of validity, nor do I buy the whole "durr them niggers n dere rap music" shtick, but historically the damage caused by Antebellum slave 'education' did have serious effects.

>>9762682
my point was that blacks have been living in detroit, sf bay area, los angeles, new york and philly for generations, and haven't amounted to much, meanwhile jewish and asian refugees with no education who couldn't speak english ended up having their kids go and get phds

>>9762681
>ok the thing is, it's not like liberals don't know this
Liberals directly attempt to censor this scientifically factual information on the grounds that it is somehow dangerous.

I'm not playing the race realist, eugenecist card - even if the science shows that 99% of blacks are braindead retarded (which it does not), its still imperative to a democratic capitalist society that each person be given a basic guarantee to a fair start and then we throw them into the maze and see how far they get. You cannot, mathematically, use a humongous trend such as IQ scores to objectively predict the qualities of an individual within that trend.

But at the same time, you cannot 'solve' this discrepancy between scores with any amount of system rigging or science denying - ironically, unless you endorse 'humanitarian eugenics', nothing can be done about it. That's just how the system works and we need to address the realities of the world instead of trying to hide behind utopian fantasies.

>>9761426
>So then why are African Americans also well behind the median iq? By all means, philosophize it for me

wtf crazy tht people from different parts of the world developed differently wtf

>>9762699
so what if african americans have lower test scores? it's not a crime, and there's no reason they should have to live in abject poverty...i just hope something can be done about their constant violence and criminality, even people with downsyndrome are able to follow the law more or less, maybe it's not so much an issue of iq, but an issue of poor planning or reasoning about long term cause and effect or something, iq tests just check instant things like pattern recognition, there might be something else missing as far as being able to visualize the future or consequences etc

>>9762688
Well you're simultaneously withholding credit from certain subsets of the urban black population (like the Harlem Rennaisance era) and granting a bit too much credit to other populations. For example, when Chinese immigration first opened up wide during the Transcontinental Railroad race, San Francisco's minority areas were shitholes, and most Chinese worked manual labor and died on the railroad. It was the arrival of Chinese immigrants already very skilled and intelligent, who began broadening immigrant industrial opportunities, that propped up the San Francisco asian immigrant populations. Again, blacks did not have these advantages.

Another example, the Jews in New York. Most people hated or at least distrusted them, but they established a socio-economic foothold as the already gifted and intelligent immigrants carved out the path. For a counter example outside of American blacks, take Irish immigrants - they had no such advantages because they were actively undermined due to religious persecution.

>some cuck faggot actually got so asshurt he put on a mental gymnastics performance just to flame some guy that disagreed with him online
Just wow

>>9762688
getting phds is not a matter of intelligence. they just worked harder. asian immigrants see (perhaps incorrectly) America as a land of opportunity for anyone that works hard enough. black people that have lived here for generations only see the negatives. their fathers and forefathers couldn't succeed, so how could they? they've been convinced they're poor because they're stupid and lazy and it's the white man's fault. asian immigrants haven't. they just have blind optimism that hard work will win in the end.

>>9762718
>he Harlem Rennaisance era

from what i understand that was the result of a large influx of Caribbean blacks who never absorbed the toxic hillbilly culture of the America south, black Caribbean countries have crime and aids rates that match any America ghetto or african war zone, but the most talented are able to make the transition to America and find success

>>9762731
>they just have blind optimism that hard work will win in the end.

and they're right, which is why it's so lame to see these "white nationalist" dumbasses niggerizing themselves by blaming everything on some jewish conspiracy or whatever

because they are sub-saHuman African

>>9762738
it doesn't always. there are tons of mediocre or poor 2nd and 3rd generation Asians, we just focus on the high-achieving ones as the model minority

>>9762712
>so what if african americans have lower test scores?
So they are going to function comparatively worse in a democratic capitalist society, especially when exposed to increasing levels of meritocracy, which in turn generates all kinds of social ills. Were blacks, et al, left to just compete economically within this society, we'd expect to start seeing their population numbers diminish, see a growing rift between urban and rural IQ, and a whole bunch of other signs of dichotomous integration/stagnation.
>it's not a crime, and there's no reason they should have to live in abject poverty
Problem is that there's not a lot of reason they shouldn't. In purely capitalist terms, if you can't work you can't eat. In socialized capitalism terms, the act of subsidizing the black population's inability to compete economically actually keeps them from organically improving their competitiveness (in this case, IQ score). This tactic was actually the lynchpin of the original Antebellum social engineering I mentioned earlier.
>i just hope something can be done about their constant violence and criminality
These social ills are largely caused by the fact that they cannot compete in standard economics or academia, and are being subsidized for such failure. They have no impetus to improve, basically, which leads to a kind of societal neurosis - though there are other external, and quite likely internal factors contributing to that feedback loop.

>>9762733
Which was basically my point, someone outside of the system had to pave the way for minorities already entrenched in a system of engineered dysfunction to break out.

>>9752608
MAN this is a hard concept to find.

But DAMN is it a good one. Knew i couldn't have been the only ape that thought of it that way. Thanks for sharing.

>>9762752
yeah but part of the the point is i can walk through a korean neighborhood at 3am and no one is going to try to sell drugs to me or shoot me

>>9762763
this is a great point which explains mine
>>9762731
many asian immigrants today are college-educated at least

>>9761563
I'm an American white male living in Namibia ayyy

>>9761426
for the exact same reasons

>>9758823
Because they are isolationists to some extent even today.

>>9760542
Fanon was Afro-Caribbean

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>>9762351
>when your IQ line matches the tree line

>>9763915
And Camus was a whitey colonist.

>>9762811
Is it nice?

>>9756411
I thought this cancerous, retarded cunt left. Seems she's lost all creativity in her shitposting though, so that's good.

>>9756411
This is honestly true. The African human was shaped under circumstances that lacked the pressures that select for intelligence.

>>9752612
I-is this bait?

>>9752675
>China >105
Immediately discredited

>>9764456
>it's an americans in denial about being overtaken episode

>>9752608
This is awesome.

>>9757574

DFW is a little girl compared to rapenigger

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>>9756489
we wuz christ n shiet

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>>9764598

probably because they're on average not as smart as white people. but they're great athletes, have an indomitable spirit, and have enriched everyone's lives with a ton of cool music, so it's silly to act like they have nothing to offer humanity.

see, /lit/, you don't have to deny the obvious to avoid being a bitter /pol/ misanthrope.

>>9764724
Some of those qualities can be ascribed to animals too yet I don't think giving dogs the same rights of humans would be right. Dogs should have more rights than niggers though

>>9764598
how come they're all white? isn't that racist?

>>9764925
i would also include horses, horses are wonderful athletes and have enriched everyone's lives by providing relatively cheap and accessibly transportation and labor power for centuries

wow i thought /lit/ was a place for intellectuals.

>>9764724
>a ton of cool music

i used to fall for the jazz meme until some really uptight classistist (probaby a white or a chink) started pointing out how jazz is basically just a random noodling session over simplistic chords, i was like damn, i still like to listen to jazz but the jewish propaganda that it's "american classical music" and equal to or exceeds european classical just never recovered for me

>>9752873
My life in the bush of ghosts is the only sub-saharan book I've read but its great :)

>>9764988
i think the pattern shit also reveals why asians score higher, now of course what do we mean by "asians" exactly anyways? but if it's east asians i would suspect it's due to their languages being ideographic which means noticing small changes in little images and finding the combinations of them to form complex words probably boosts their performance on those pattern predicting tests

>>9754569
People don't know YOUR language, stop pretending 19th century nationalism didn't pretty much rape and obliterate actual cultures in the name of fake fucking "official" culture.
This is why patriots are the worst fucking demagogues and literal cancer everytime they pop up, they want to keep their very limited idea of what "culture" should be tied to actual spooks instead of the real tradition of their homeland.

>>9762337
>>9762765
>>9764537

You fucking plebs this is YA tier- Bartimaeus trilogy shit with uninteresting prose

>>9761582
Honestly you have to be pretty retarded to look at these buildings and assume they were buit before the 1960s, most of them have that very distincti late 70s to early 90s look and you also have to be specially retarded (read: American) to not realize pretty much every third world country has cities that look like this. You probably solve captchas involving them daily, but your tiny american brain can't comprehend they're not part of the US / Western Euroe.

>mention HBD once
>21 (You)'s

wew lads, sensitive

>>9754670
k whats to stop them from writing them down

>>9765032
>it's only "real" and "actual" culture if it's made by mediocre and oppressed mystery meat
yeah yeah, go listen to your nigger music ya fucking faggot

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>>9765109
Gentle reminder that America is the smartest nation in the history of the planet, which is probably why your daily life is dependent on her intellectual achievements

>>9765826
full of jewish and east asian students