Just finished reading this. It was extremely boring, pointlessly

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> If you say it's boring, they say every sentence is a profound work of philosophical and psychological insight. If you point out that it isn't "insightful" and use logic, they say it's a bawdy and fun read.
this meme has to go

sage goes in all fields

anyone know if it's just the p&v translation that makes it so melodramatic?

>>9733128
jesus christ, six months? i read it in a week, man!
i think perhaps you just didn't like the work and others simply do, it's no skin off anyone's back if you just didn't like something.

let's talk of more constructive things, like what type of literature or what book specifically do you enjoy? such conversations deliver far more use than endless quibbling sessions.

>>9733128
I pity you if you're not baiting.

>>9733128
this is an r/books pasta right

>>9733690
>>9733700

Please explain why you liked the book

>>9733797
Interesting characters, worthwhile philosophical treatises, a lot of humor, and the whole schoolboy subplot is absolutely adorable

>>9733811
>humor
Get out you retard

>>9733816
It's not a number 1 reason but the chapter focusing on Dmitri's exploits before getting arrested was pretty funny in a sad way

>>9733797
>liking or not liking is your standard for appraising lit
not gonna make it

>>9733128
That's because you read P&V

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>>9733128
0/10

>>9733128
Ultimately, it's still fiction. It's shit.

>>9733128
itza fucking masterpiece
it's so russian, so wild, so savage
its siberian tundra and the orthodox cross
its passion its suffering
I recently read an interesting essay by Zweig on Dosto where he wrote that anglos don't 'get' him because all they want is to be happy but Dosto's charakters especially in TBK don't want to be happy, they don't just want to get the girl and live happily ever after they are Phaetons, man, they strive, they suffer, they desire in in their desire they suffer
I guess OP is just a shallow amerifag "muh so boring"
>that guy is a nice guy beta
>attion whore
>nothing similar to modern humans
haha OP is truely pitty you, these are real humans, realer than any modern superficial human could possibly hope to be

TBK is the most human piece of /lit/ ever conveived of and if you really think like that than, jeez, I feel sorry, but get some perspective

sry drunk btw

>>9733128
i declare OP a nigger and a fag, do i have a second?

Brainless waste of amino acids
Sage

>>9733143
other translations are even moreso. if anything they play that down

>>9735349
>these are real humans, realer than any modern superficial human could possibly hope to be
this is exactly what OP is talking about. there's nothing more "real" about humans then than now. and anyway, who's to say your interpretation of the past is any more valid than OP's

>TBK is the most human piece of /lit/ ever conveived
everything that is made my humans is by definition human. there's no such thing as a hierarchy of things that are more human than others.

>>9733128
Every art that is bad is completely forgotten after 100 years. If it's just the pseudo intellectuals that praise it, it'll be forgotten in 10 years. Today 95% of the world will make you a lunatic if you say harry potter is bs, but it'll be forgotten 50 years from now.

Honestly, if you want to be constructive, check Crime and Punishment, I think it'll suit you more.

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>>9733128
>It was sprinkled with half assed rants or strawmen of stuff Dostoevsky wanted to preach about but not as much as I expected. Ultimately it was just pointless.

yeah, but it's christian rants and strawmen, so /lit/ loves it and disliking it makes you autistic.

Brainlets don't like Dostoevsky because they are simply incapable of comprehending and appreciating the level of aesthetic mastery and profound ideas in this book. The easiest way to spot one is when they cry about how everyone else is only pretending to like the book, they want to be cultured, or that they pretend to like it because the supposed difficulty makes them look smart. Don't forget the multiple uses of scare quotes around words like "profound" or "cultured" etc.

>>9733143

That's honestly Russian novels in general. It's the way of the culture and a very love it or hate it thing.

Go back to goodreads

>>9733128

There's a really good Standford lecture about the book and its relation to existentialism on YouTube. And there are far more pretentious books, in actuality, Dostoevsky is extremely grounded in the human experience. If it took you six months to read then you probably opposed it to begin with. At the end of the day, why are you forcing yourself to read a novel that you dislike?

Also, let me just say that if the emotion of the Brothers is off-putting to you then you shouldn't bother. The melodrama (as you call it) hoists up the emotional and philosophical weight of the novel, and if you're not willing to chew on each of those scenes with empathy or understanding then you're going to leave with six hundred of so pages of surface reading and wasted time.

>>9735417

Literature inherently and obviously is interconnected to the one writing it, but you cannot say that all literature is equal in portraying human emotion. I think anon is attempting to say that through its many characters and events, TBK is a novel that most clearly captured the human condition.

This is something that I discovered about myself reading other books and it might apply to you;

When I read the thing that causes me most enjoyment are the ideas being expressed not the way in which they are expressed.

Accordingly whilst I could see cleverness in how fiction was written I would ultimately end up thoroughly disappointed as aesthetic just isnt something that appeals to my sentiments.
(also my expectations were made high [especially a big issue when it comes to writers like Dosto] by people who kept on hammering how profound and life changing these books can be).

So I accept that the Literary Life just isnt for me and move and read books that simply align with my sentiments and learning whilst leaving lit folk to their own devices.

Theres no benefit to yourself or others for shitting on Dosto anonymously even if there is plenty of material.

>>9733128
>they also want to portray it as a fun and irreverent melodrama.
Haha what the fuck.