"You will never represent, Raphael, a young girl's

Either you join a monastery

Or how about actually getting in control of your life and finding romance. That quote from Houellebecq is quite wrong, you know. You can still find love after "missing out" on the adolescent love. And it will still be sweet. The more so, if you can get over all that's in your head.

Read "The Magic Mountain".

>>9713815
Thought forms.

>>9713815
Stop being depressed and desperate over a lack of romance (at the very least, try to be less outwardly with this feeling), it will erode any form of attraction anyone has towards you.
Romance is born through slow interactions that grow more meaningful over time. If you enter every situation with a lust or desperation it reeks of ill aims.
Learn to be comfortable with yourself as yourself, and others will feel comfortable around you.
It's clichéd as fuck, but really. Learn to be happy alone before you want someone else to take on your shittiness.

>>9713815
Missing on adolescent love is a big deal only if you're obsessed by it, and if this is the case you can still deal with this problem, for it's merely psychological.

I know you won't trust me, but just start meditating. In a few months from now you may have enough self-control to overcome these arbitrary mental block of yours.

>>9713815
You can pay for a pretty convincing """"romantic"""" experience if you are that desperate. If that doesn't work for you then I suggest you work hard on being less bent out of shape by the whole affair, women will find you a lot more attractive if you relax a little.

Baby's first existential crisis, lol. You should just kill yourself if you can't handle life in a first world setting.

>muuuuuuh existentialism
Completely missing out on the point that Camus was trying to make.

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>>9713815
>those thighs

>>9713826
>That quote from Houellebecq
Wait, Houellebecq wrote that? Michel Houellebecq, one of the most highly regarded living writers? Because I honestly thought it was a r9k shitpost.

in the end all >you will never
problems can just be summed up to
>tfw you will never be alexander or napoleon
which makes all the other problems seem insignificant, but this massive ambition punctures itself by being too grand
so in the end it's nice to just be yourself

>>9714080
Houellebecq's a giant frog, at least the protagonists in his first novels are.
But even then *he* didn't off himself, and took a milder outlook on life with his later novels.

>>9713815
Lolita desu

>>9713815
everyone is missing out on something, knowingly or not

its not the end of the world op. if you want romance badly enough you will find it

>>9714080
How often do r9k posts address someone named Raphael?

Just jack off a lot. Sometimes the pornstars pretend to talk to you. It's quite ironic at times

>>9714175
I don't know, maybe r9k started writing a collaborative novel. Yes, it was weird at first but the rest of the quote is so perfectly fitting...

>>9714208
>it was weird at first
It literally starts with "you will never", the frogposter's mantra.

Sex is the the plebeian thing a man can do and normies think that ''the only thing which connects us to beast is sex'' which is super retarded and actually is clue to spot normies. Sex for humans (well men more than women) is the opposite of what animals do.
Your life would actually be better if what you call sex would be what animals do: a bit of fight for men (like they love to do now to feed their spook of merit), but once year and it may or may not lead to pregnancy in a roastie.

Also, normies imagine that sex and orgasms (since it wall they know to do) is the way to stop pessimism, >muh schopenhaeur did not have sex enough, some gateway to the spooks of ''transcendence'', immanence'', or for the smart-ass circlejarking over the stop of any dichotomy by oxymorons, the ''immanence through transcendence'' or ''the transcendence through the immanence''
this is all cute and right if you want stay a normie, but if you want to stop being unhappy, and actually do something relevant once in your life, the first thing to stop doing is sex money, entertainment, lying and caring about what men do to feed their spoook of compassion and their opposite spook of dominance and hierarchy.

But of course liberals being hedonists like anybody on earth, they cannot stand hearing that ''sex is for reproduction only if you want to stop being a plebs'' which reminds them too much of being ruled by christians. women can see and experience sex as sex, meaning physical pleasure,, but sex for men is never ever about sex which makes them oddly enough so pathetic that it could be an exit for them to all this desire of impressing women and ''improving'' daily life with more pleasures (physical and intellectual) and less pains and use this as means to boast.

Stick to fapping if you can, or at least to not cum, but do not expect to achieve anything (at least on your own) in your life if you keep caring about sex (while claiming that sex is nothing sacred, like the liberals, yet, still like the liberals, spending your day whining about rape and creating rules about sex, believing that is is an activity worthy of discussing so much at diner (with friends before a swinger party) and in their entertainment since they have been reducing the will to the libido to the sexual libido after centuries of having faith in the individual will whose pinnacle is the consent through freedom called by them the self-determination (by studying nature or society or having no boss)) .

>>9713815
>How do I live a life without romance?
Keep doing all the things that your physical body tells you to do. Things aren't going to get better. Once you've realized that you missed out on "pure" youth love, there is no undoing that epiphany. It's like R9K or r/TRP; once you've realized that people are fundamentally selfish creatures that only do things that benefit themselves, you can't go back.

Luckily, you have millions of years of evolution on your side. Your body will keep on fighting until the end.

The problem is that your body has no self-conciousness.I can't have a coversation with my penis and subconciousness to tone down the sex drive and lack to match our sexual market value.They'll crave it just as if I were the wild stallion.

>>9713815
Do what Houellebecq does.

>>9713894
And where can I find good guidelines for meditation? How to do it properly...

0/10

>>9713815
>adolescent loves
What a joke. I had a couple of gfs as a teen, they were all hot but swallow as fuck, so it was just lust rather than love what I felt. Actual love comes at any age, and if you really want it you should look for it and work for it.
Just keep in mind that if you can't deal with yourself while being alone, you won't be able to deal with another person's life.

I love this quote from Stoner:
>In his forty-third year William Stoner learned what others, much younger, had learned before him: that the person one loves at first is not the person one loves at last, and that love is not an end but a process through which one person attempts to know another.

>>9714569
>swallow as fuck
H O T
O
T

In this post-Freudian age the institution of marriage, as a by-product of religiously-fuelled monogamy, has deteriorated to the point that amorphous sexual identity, as opposed to rigid religiosity, has become the primary self-defining feature of the individual. But has anything changed? Has the entrapment of woman via marriage which Blake called a "gilded cage" merely deteriorated to the "rusty prison" of the Bang Bus, representative of the anonymous male-centric sex and continued subjugation?

>>9713866
This, in my experience when I'm black out drunk at a bar trying to score with every 6 that I can see I always end up going home alone.

>>9714080
You're talking about a Frenchman who wrote a novel where Islam took over France.

>>9714596
kek I fucked up

>>9713815
>You will never represent, Raphael, a young girl's erotic dream

i want to like houellebecq for writing about people who can't get laid, but you can tell he doesn't authentically understand the forever alone experience because he bases it on the idea that it all comes down to looks which is not true at all since you see plenty of ugly people fucking and having kids, and plenty of pretty boys and girls too paralyzed by some mental lack to participate in erotic society. that paragraph mildly rustles me because i would be able to relate to it, except the first line fucks it all up, i know i've been the "erotic dreams" of young girls, but i just have mental issues that makes it rare that i seal the deal, occasionally a really pushy girl will claim me and fuck me, but i never ever hit on girls, and i dont have the patience or social skills or confidence or whatever to keep the relationship going. houellebecq's inability to understand the root of the issue makes me actually dislike him, i want to like him for trying to write about it, but he clearly doesn't get it and isn't writing from personal experience but from pity

>>9713934
>How do I live a life without romance?
>I was able to ride the absurdist wave for about 6
months
clearly you weren't, if you never pursues what you most desire. accepting life without inherent meaning is not cucking yourself and ignoring all forms of meaning

>>9714613

Im attractive, confident, and could easily get my own gf. I don't try. I'm not paralyzed, I'm just averse to a completely disingenuous experience in which I am completely aware of what kind of person my age demographic represents. I choose no, you dumb bitches.

>>9714613
> i know i've been the "erotic dreams" of young girls
>occasionally a really pushy girl will claim me and fuck me
Yeah, you really sound like the paragon of the "forever alone" clade.

>>9714665
You sound like a fag, what kind of person does your age demographic represent? That's such a vague thing to say. And I don't believe you can get girls as easily as you think you can gay boy.

>>9714599
Monogamous marriage is a machine wherein men are yoked to provide the energy needed to keep the machine of society running. You're utterly delusional if you think the subjugation of women is a primary or even secondary goal. There's a reason that Western society is collapsing and the elites are turning towards the mass importation of replacement males.

>>9714613
The human brain is incredible at learning. With practice I guarantee you can become good at picking up girls, especially since you're at least somewhat attractive.

The underlying issue here is that you let this so called mental lack hold you back.

>>9714677

18-24

On the contrary, most people in my age demo are fags, I'm not. Also I can. You gonna prove me wrong here? You want specifics? Sure. They care about money, cars, music, status. That's it. There can be odd ones out that actually attempt to be intellectuals but its so rare that I don't bother trying to find them. Those things are ok to enjoy, but they are ultimately worthless. I can't stand a person that attaches so much value to transient status/items.

>>9714684

This anon is right, its easy as fuck. Just don the mask of falseness and be whoever you want to be in the meeting phase. Then take it from there. Just be fake is better advice than just be urself.

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>>9714259
>Your life would actually be better if what you call sex would be what animals do
Pretty much.

I mean, just look at OP's pic. How is that girls flexibility in any way related to physical pleasure? Are her vagina muscles going to be more pleasurable or something? Maybe, but I doubt most guys would even think about that, let alone the subconscious part of them that makes them erect. Buttocks and breasts are the same, facial features and hair are the same, clothing is the same, but all those things are important to men, even though they don't really have anything to do with the act of sex--because what they want has nothing to do with it. Hell, it doesn't even have that much to do with raising healthy offspring. At least women have the intelligence to treat men as wealth providers, and only be seduced by looks out of pure self-indulgent pleasure, rather than go around saying they saw God when someone pretty comes their way.

Prostitutes > Priests

>>9714684
i just don't know how to escalate something to sex...all of my friends are single girls who were maybe hoping to get laid, but i'm not going for it, kinda getting sick of going out with girls and all the people around us at the restaurant or event are going to go home and fuck, but i'm here with my "friend", it's getting annoying, if i'm not fucking i'd rather be alone, net time a chick asks me out i'm just gong to be like "sorry i don't need any more friends"

>>9713815

>depression
>desperation
>desire for romance

falling for the woman meme this hard lol

>>9714717
Just tell them you wanna do it as bluntly as possible. It work for the PotUS.

>>9714694
Your generalization (which is inaccurate btw) of such a huge swath of people reveals how out of touch you are. You don't interact with others your age often. You're like a racist who thinks all nigs are lazy weed smoking rapists.

Your most foolish and immature assumption is that others don't have anything intellectual to say or learn from. I would say I pity someone like you who's become so disillusioned with society but there's a high chance you're still in high school and will grow out of it.

>>9714717
Your foot is in the door if you're already being invited to things. You need to be more aggressive and forward. Don't let fear or anxiety hold you back, if you fail so what. There's billions of girls out there brother.

>>9714732
yeah but liberals call him a rapist, and i don't want to be a rapist, bill clinton is however not a rapist and has never been rapist

>>9714740
You're a white male. You can't not be a rapist.

>>9714694
how can people on a board with a half dozen nietzsche threads at any given time have so many resentful little shits on it, do u even read

>>9714118

This. The older I get the less I care about the amount of women I sleep with, the more I feel bad about not being someone history will remember

>>9714748

White male here. All I want to do is raid the English and Neustrian coast and rape and pillage.

>>9714259
pasta

>>9714779
this is the problem with not having kids, the only way for someone to give a shit about your life and remember it even happened is to become napoleon...sad

>>9714737

Lol, alrighty. Looks like I've met the ultimate authority on my own personality and experience. Better just defer to your judgement, I'm sure I'll grow out of it.

Get a fucking grip on yourself my man.

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>mfw people don't realize their experience after their last fuck is identical to their experience before their first one and the act has no significance past social theater

>>9714820
if only this kind of nonsense were true, but the feeling you get after fucking is not just not about getting a nut off, it's the bonding you get with the other person, even if they aren't a deep love, you still connected with in an intimate and personal way, and you also feel a sense of validation that you are a valuable member of society worth reproducing...sorry, but that day or two after you get laid is so pleasant, but bittersweet because one walks around thinking "this is how normies feel every day!" yes no matter how many books you read money you make journal articles you publish patents you receive, you won't have that simple feeling of warmth and satisfaction that the tattoo covered ex-con with a beer belly who lives on the end of the block feels every morning when he walks his ratchet wife and little shit kid to mcdonalds to get a breakfast sandwich, sad

>>9714820
Actually, sex is an incredibly potent tool for emotional bonding. It also weakens with successive partners, especially for women. Like everything else, giving love away for free lessens its value.

>>9714839
>>9714934

None of this will help you at death's doorstep.

>>9714963
Neither will anything else. Got any other utterly banal bullshit to pull out of your ass?

Adolescent love is grossly overrated

Adolescent sex on the other hand is the crown of life

>>9714963
actually, dying surrounded by my wife and children while i prepare to pass on will be a hell of a lot better than calling for some nurse to bring me an ipad so i can get one last shitpost off before i die alone and forgotten

>>9714984

How do you know this?

>>9714989
how do you know anything? sounds like you're grasping at straws buddy, maybe that's why you're so unlovable and destined to die a failure at love and life, have a nice day

>>9714993

I was asking a legitimate question. Have you peered into the mind of the dying and saw their social role operating in any substantial capacity, enough to even mitigate them being torn away from it? I have peered into mine whenever I was in danger and saw no such thing.

>>9714993
You are projecting pretty damn hard.

>>9715013
Project THIS *projectile vomits all over you*

>>9715008
the kind of denial you're on is a good defense mechanism when your aunt asks you why you don't have a gf during thanksgiving "sorry auntie but girls to are just too shallow" or why you never have a date when you go out to do shit "i'm just really focused on my self right now, too busy you know" etc. but when you're dying alone there's going to be no one there to lie to so you'll just have to final confront your problem, but by then it will be much too late, ouch!

>>9715050

A defense mechanism against what? Who is lying to me? What is my problem?

>>9714984
You'll be entirely forgotten in a generation or two regardless

>>9715070
did you have a point or did u just want to bump the thread?

>>9715082
You set up a false dichotomy in that post, that was the point

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2D is the only salvation desu

>>9715094
i said nothing about memory or forgetting, you projected that from who knows where, more over it's not a "false dichotomy", you either die alone or you don't

>>9715159
yes, yes, waste your life consuming childish cartoons and avoiding life, that is true happiness

buddhism is learned helplessness: the religion.

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>>9715171
>buaa buaa i am a spooked mundane

>>9715167
You didn't include "forgotten" in your post?

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>>9714613
I have similar problems, but this isn't the "forever alone experience" pretty much by definition.
>>9715171
>using "life" like that

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>>9714963
DEEP

>>9715193
forgotten by your peers, not by future generations, learn to read better

>>9715194
>misreader of stirner uses it to justify a pointless life of hedonism and masturbation

stay spooked

>>9713826
I agree with you but I'm interested in how you think The Magic Mountain will be helpful to that specific problem?

Houellebecq is a miserable grouch of course, but I can emotionally comprehend this anger and frustrated irrationality, so I still enjoy reading his books.

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>>9713815
Let me pop this bubble real quick


There is no end to "what you could have done" in your youth. There will always be some guy with some story that trumps the last guy. This is what I love about Zizek Lacan Girard. Desire is always framed by others, what we desire is always being shaped by others, and even if you were to go to the end and base your own, the very mode of being makes it close to impossible to fulfill the longing for love that we seek to quench because that longing always takes the shape of an Object of desire and all the while the object Cause of desire is never addressed. On top of that, desire quenched in a blind striving way only digs you deeper into a hole of dissatisfaction.

Randy works at a thrift store. In his youth he had an 8 hour fuck-a-thon with his girl on meth. He never could reach that level again. And this peak became a tumor lodged in his gut. He needed to quench it. So he upped the stakes. What got him even close to that feeling was raping someone. After 7 years in jail for sexual assault on a minor, his thirst is still there, as his PO, support group, and therapist knows very well. He lives in a perpetual hell. The only relief he has is the knowledge that his drive for drugs was based on a childhood pain: he felt neglected by his parents. Drugs and girls is what he chased after to fill this longing. This understanding, though helps him make sense of his inter he'll, has come all but too late. He had been the dupe of the species. GOT IT?

Pussy feels great. Fuck it. But for the love of God, take care of your repressed love locks because if you don't they peek their head out in the strangest of places, like the end of a meth pipe or the inside of 14yo girls pussy

Sage.

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>>9713815
Raphael obviously wasn't /fit/

>>9715433
Well put but I'm not gonna let that trick me into thinking you're right,

>>9715494
well, he's right about the girard memetic desire stuff, but that doesn't change anything

>>9715433
Hey Girardfag. I was a KHV until I was 23, and then I bootstrapped myself and had weird fetish sex with 80-100 girls. I'm a depressed anhedonic mental patient, who only doesn't do meth because I know I'd never stop, so all that crazy sex is the only pure "lose yourself" experience I've ever had, and now I'm addicted to it. It's not nymphomania or irresponsible coke-fueled orgies: I just enjoy knowing I can have some pussy on my face and stop thinking about black holes of despair once in a while.

I was completely happy with this, had the vice reasonably under control, and had even set up a pretty good life plan for the next two or three decades of whoremongering, but then I fell in love with someone after thinking this was impossible. Now I have to choose between (a) a loving family life with her, finally giving me the love my parents never did, but at the cost of being anhedonic and craving exotic flavours of vagina forever and thinking of cheating on her every single day forever, or (b) giving up love but having enough hedonic stimpaks to get me through doing the good works I want to do with my life.

So I've gone from being happily unhappy, to being unhappily Buridan's ass'ed.

What would Lacan say?

>>9714541
Isha kriya

>>9715515
Shut up faggot

>>9715672
it's true though, you're mad about not getting laid because somebody else was. if you weren't thinking about that chad and all those hot college chicks he got to fuck for four years straight while you were shitposting and reading asspained philosophy books you wouldn't care. it's sexual jealousy.

>>9715714

Having a Hitlerposter denigrate you means, perversely, that you're doing something right.

>>9715734
Like I care what Jew think

>>9715668
what?

I wonder if entire ideologies have been created because of physical inferiority.

Like contemplative religious traditions always vouch for celibacy for example, and although their arguments are coherent, I can't help but feel that they are rationalizations sprung from lack of pussy. I've never seen a monk, or religious figure, that was a 6'2 big-dicked turbo chad. These are also not the people turning towards these kinds of traditions.
In the same way, the people these days that go around around yelling 'degeneracy!' are always autistic, ugly, beta, small dicked, etc. Again, I've never seen a male model looking ass motherfucker campaigning for celibacy, because of course, why would they? It's not a problematic area of life for them.

I find that in general strong ideologies always attract meek people. Like the Nazi high command was filled with a bunch of manlet, weak jawlined, turbo beta's. Or for example, I like to read up on the occult, and most prominent occult figures have also been fat, ugly, bald, etc.

I reckon it's to do with the fact that when people can't full fill their primary biological function - simply put; they can't get laid- because of physical ineptitude e.g. lack of attractive physical attributes, they turn towards an ideological output to justify their lack of 'base fulfilment'.

>>9715885
Sounds like some projection on your part

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>>9715885
>6'2 big-dicked turbo chad
>autistic, ugly, beta, small dicked
>male model

de·gen·er·ate
adjective
dəˈjen(ə)rət/
1.
having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline.
"a degenerate form of a higher civilization"
synonyms: debased, degraded, corrupt, impure; formalvitiated
"a degenerate form of classicism"
2.
technical
lacking some property, order, or distinctness of structure previously or usually present, in particular.
synonyms: corrupt, decadent, dissolute, dissipated, debauched, reprobate, profligate; More
noun

>>9713815
She makes me horny
Is there any info on this bitch

>>9715885
>your whole complex system of ignoring the obvious signs of your absolute worthlessness would start up again and you would continue your automatic zombie hood.

>>9715903
It definitely is, that's how I noticed the phenomena in the first place.
But the thing is, it's almost empirically true. The Nazi high command WAS filled with a bunch of cucks, occult authors ARE a bunch of ugly fat dudes (and chicks; see the whole phenomena of Wicca) playing special snowflake. People crying on the internet about degeneracy ARE more often than not a bunch of neckbeards, and so on.

People who are satiated in their (primarily) physical needs are rarely the ones pursuing extreme ideologies. People often times come to particular ideologies because of duress endured in their life. Major, or minor.

This is probably getting into /r9k/-tier territory, but I think this is why women are generally speaking quite 'average'. 'There are no female geniuses', as they say. I think that's because for women the 'safety-net of physicality' is much, much wider. A woman can always get laid, a woman always gets attention, a woman can always mooch of a man, and so forth.
Her social and emotional needs are much less likely to be put under stress, and because of that complacency is far more common under women. Women are far less likely to be extremists or absolutists, or excel at any particular thing, in that regard.
I'm not a fedora tipper, either. I don't think this is an inherent property exclusive to women. You see the same phenomena with really attractive men too.

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>>9715990
You could attend a yoga class or meditation retreat in a major city and have your theory dismantled, unless I'm misunderstanding it. Good looking people get into ideology as well, pic related. The Nazis being "ugly" has more to do with the expectations of men at that time than anything else. There's not an inverse correlation between being a ghoul and getting laid either, Kissinger comes to mind.

>This is probably getting into /r9k/-tier territory
So? it's not like everything that r9k says is false, most of their stuffs makes sense even though they are good at exaggerating and cherry picking.

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>>9715602
>>9715990

Disgusting

>>9716002
>You could attend a yoga class or meditation retreat

I have been to plenty. But just casually attending a yoga or meditation class, doesn't mean anything.
Taking the yoga/meditation example; people who pursue religion to an above average level i.e. the people that end up becoming monastics pretty much always fit the mold I have described.
If you read or listen to stories of why monastics decided to ordain, it has almost invariably to do with with duress endured because of physical ineptitude. I am quite into contemplative traditions, and never once have I seen a monastic that was tall, handsome, sociable, crushing pussy left and right, and so forth, that then suddenly decided to give it up. Again, there is always a element of 'stress' involved.

>Good looking people get into ideology as well

My 'idea' relies on the premise that physical needs are otherwise being met. In this case, if you're somewhere in bumfuck slavshit land living in poverty, it is of course natural that someone might pursue some form of ideology to combat that. Also, I'm not trying to put down some unshakeable thesis, this is just what I've seen from my point of view in contemporary society. It might very well not be applicable to other situations (or be correct at all for that matter).

It's just that from personal experience, in part because I myself have fallen prey to this, I have noticed that there is almost a very base system at play where if you get denied something, or are unable to get it, it is very easy to fall into a trap of conceptual proliferation trying to justify your own ineptitude through all kinds of ideological imaginings.
It's like 'sour grapes' on a more societal level.

I think the current trend of 'degeneracy' is a good example of this. How many people that regularly get laid are concerned with 'degeneracy'? And how many /r9k/-/pol/ types that can't get laid are concerned with 'degeneracy'? Of course, we don't have actual statistics, but I suspect the latter is more concerned with the issue than the former.

>>9715990
National Socialism isn't an extreme ideology. Social Democracy is extremism.

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>>9716076
Extreme is a relative term here. Either way, it's not even about National Socialism in this case. It's the fact that Hitler was a sensitive man who couldn't get laid, and then tried to justify this by all kinds of mental hijinks and roped a bunch of other cucks (like Goebbels) into his ideas.

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>>9716083
Have another >tfw we're all Hitler image.

>>9713934
>You should just kill yourself if you can't handle life in a first world setting.
My hypothesis is that living in the first world is hard mode (if you aren't perfectly adapted to its society).

>>9715885
>How degenerates make sense of history
> since sexual inferiority is the center of my life therefore it's the center of EVERYTHING EVER

nice logic

>>9715070
Who cares for being remembered by the masses or anyone, really? They memory is fragile and finite. To be remembered by mortals is like not being remembered at all. Only the supernatural can truly observe, truly judge, truly remember. And there probably is no supernatural observer. So what matters is the life one lives.

>>9716075
Dude most monks in Thailand are retired army officers i.e. not physically unfit losers who can't get laid.

>>9713815

>their inedible mark

i mean, technically that's true

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>>9714820
Congrats anon. U made it

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>>9714963
Your point?

>>9715433
Well written.

>>9713815

Holy shit how you all will squirm under unlawful termination and breach of contract. I love it.

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>>9716179

You gotta die to live.

>>9716179
t. reddit

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>>9716185

Aye, if you're gonna kill me then slit my throat and be done with it. I'll go out on my terms, not yours.

>>9715362

Young man 'misses out' on his chance to love and be loved-- twice--and is not destroyed but actually embiggened by the experiences.

>>9716216
I should write that down.
Pass me your pen, will you?

>>9714613
>he clearly doesn't get it and isn't writing from personal experience but from pity
You don't know his biography well enough. He is writing very sincerely about his experiences as a young man, when girls would at school parties would refuse to dance with him because they found him ugly. It isn't your experience but that doesn't make it less valid.

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>>9714839

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>>9714839

the final redpill is that vaginas do not exist, behind every woman's clothing there are two manlet jews, kind of like a horse costume

>>9714839
Lol at intelligencias insecurities

"Men are always more inclined to pitch their estimate of the enemy's strength too high than too low, such is human nature."

Take it from me. I seen them come and go. All there is worth in life is knowledge that quenches the primordial need for understanding your inner life and your environment. Of course sex is a essential part, but to go so far as to claim that the ex-con is somehow happy because he has more sex just shows how immature you are and how much more growing up you have left to do

#maturation

>>9713815
you have 2 options:
>do your best to become a normie

>live a 'light' ascetic life with meditation, no excesses, exercises and focusing on one thing you really like and that can make difference in the world/get you some shekels

>>9716489
>thinks the choices are completely submitting to society or to become some fucking shut-in loser

>>9713894
I used to do cognitive behavioral therapy mindfulness meditation, and it helped for a while until I decided that I could just smoke weed instead. I would meditate after smoking for a while then I just decided I'd rather smoke and listen to music or play video games or whatever. I'm not nearly as depressed as I used to be, and I've stopped smoking completely, but I'm wondering if meditating would help me to focus on one thing at a time (like reading or writing for instance).

>>9716545
focusing will help you focus dumbass

>>9716569
Yeah but is the focus you achieve in mindfulness meditation transferable to focusing on different tasks?

>>9716545
If you think meditation is going to help you of itself then you're not doing it right. You'll only get back what you cive.

>>9716581
focusing on anything will help you get better at focusing, whether or not you focus on redundant bullshit.

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>>9715602
>be girardfag
>see this
>hmm

Sorry, just came across this thread now. That another anon is not me, but he sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Not sure about what Lacan would say. This sounds more like a job for TLP or someone like that than me.

But.

>Now I have to choose between (a) a loving family life with her, finally giving me the love my parents never did, but at the cost of being anhedonic and craving exotic flavours of vagina forever and thinking of cheating on her every single day forever, or (b) giving up love but having enough hedonic stimpaks to get me through doing the good works I want to do with my life.
>what would lacan say

Even anhedonia wears off. Love is the thing. If you choose b), own that choice. The question you ultimately have to ask yourself is, in the long run, which one is riskier and more dangerous? How?

It is better to choose love. Pic rel. If you don't choose love you can know ahead of time, perhaps, that this is going to lead to repression. Maybe you can deal with it, maybe you can't. But there is no substitute for the kinds of love that opens up radical breaks in the nature of your reality. Even if they tear your shit apart in the process. That's what love does. Choosing against love does that too. But the universe, right? The universe.

You can learn this kind of stuff too through Kafka (Before the Law) and Deleuze (Deleuze) as well.

This Door Was Made Only For You, And Now I Am Going To Close It. Bang. Down that road lies modernism and repression. Making the heretical insane leap past the guardian is the affirmation of the gap that leads to...not the same old thing. But the Really New, crazy possibility.

That's my advice. I have chosen *against* love many times and now I am chock-full of symptoms and barely able to keep my shit together. It makes for interesting afternoons thinking bout capitalism and a lot of alcohol.

Even Freud. Freud distinguishes between regular unhappiness and existential unhappiness. Sometimes regular unhappiness is enough. But joy and love are better. They usually involve some kind of epistemological break the true meaning of which can be learned in no other way but by following that which you know is true but makes no sense.

I don't know. Can't really give love advice with a straight face. Not my bag.

So good luck, you sexy motherfucker. I hope you choose well and that love finds you.

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>>9715602
That said it does sound as though you are kind of in a dilemma, choosing on the one hand between getting one kind of love from her that you said is the family love your parents didn't give you, and on the other an intoxicated hedonism. Doesn't really sound like either of those are really going to do it for you all the way. Do you know what I mean?\

Here's more Lacan on love, that pitiless bastard. I *think* what he means that love is in the *giving,* not in the getting.

So if on the one hand you're getting something you want, but not really having anything to give, or on the other hand giving yourself something (hedonistic stimpaks) but you *know* this is wrong...right?

Keep going through hell perhaps. If you don't have to pull the trigger don't pull it. Try some Heideggerian jiujitsu. Wait for The Thing to reveal itself. Give some of your impulses a che vuoi. Be vain, seductive, and French. Seems to work for them.

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is the best male life the life of a chad rebel then a life of chad model?

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>>9713815
I know these feels.

The best prospective path is to create an idol in your head based upon your anima, that you can worship and remain loyal to until death. After death, create a universe in which you can love it in a less abstract manner.

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>>9716083

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>>9717237

I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty

>>9716521
This is absolutely true though

>>9714675

>>9714259
You might actually be retarded.

>>9715885
t. nietzsche

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>>9716083

>>9717304
It is too much to guess that after death, someone will hand us keys, even more to guess that we will still want the same things

>>9714711
Except for that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy: Certain features ARE beneficial for giving birth, like wider hips. Fuller breasts and longer hair are both signs of health. So is nice skin. A pretty face is a sign of a lot of estrogen in the womb which is really what you want.

But also, what men want is really independent of what they believe they want. You don't have to be conscious to be able to select a good mate. Plenty of animals have instincts to select certain types of mates without being conscious.

>>9714694
Status is attractive. Being attractive gets you laid.

Yet here you are in this houllebecq thread complaining about people who like status and wishing you could get laid.

Do you see the problem?

>>9717474

I don't seem to remember saying a word about 'getting laid, why don't you kindly take a look at my post?

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>>9714711

>I mean, just look at OP's pic. How is that girls flexibility in any way related to physical pleasure?

Use your imagination.

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>>9714613

>he hasn't read Atomised and Whatever

>>9713894
100% this. After a few months of meditation I was able to let my neighbor know how I felt about her and now we're in a lovely relationship. Get physical exercise, eat healthy food, get enough sleep, and meditate. Also read lots of books about philosophy and proper living, like the tao te jing and buddhist books, marcus aurelius, plato, etc.

>>9714613
I agree that it's a rather dreary quote, but from the way it looks, I would think he's talking about his own experiences. He's just wrapped up in his own misery and expresses it in a very self-patronizing way.

>>9716083
>"He had no comprehension of enjoyment of life as others knew it. He did not smoke, he did not drink"
But he did do drugs later on, how old is he supposed to be here?

>"He had no friends"
>"and wanted none"
I feel it.

>>9714717

>all of my friends are single girls

First mistake. They all probably think you're secretly gay btw. I know you probably aren't and are more than likely just an awkward nerd, but that's how they see you. Particularly if they're all single and you're not trying it out on any of them.

>>9713943
Кaк cyкa блят гив нэм oф мyви ?? Hayyyyy!!!

>>9714694
>They care about money, cars, music, status... I can't stand a person that attaches so much value to transient status/items.
Says a guy who probably wouldn't be with an ugly/old woman, no matter how intellectual she was.

>>9715691
Well said. I'm not sure if jealousy is the right term, but yeah some people are definitely spooked as fuck and have lost touch with their base instincts, instead getting trapped in projections about what's socially acceptable, what makes you a "loser" and so on.
Obviously being a (normal) person involves "participating" in some ideologies/spooks, it's inevitable. But you can still learn to laugh it off and not have this shit take over your life.

>>9713943
which JAV is this?

>>9714118
>tfw you're not napoleon
Fucks off Rodion

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>>9714118
>tfw you will never be alexander or napoleon
>tfw will never be a random patrician in Florence around the time of the Renaissance

>>9716122
It is common in all kinds of South-East Asian countries for men to ordain for different reason. Young men will ordain in their early 20's for a couple of months just out of tradition, some people will ordain because they're poor as shit, some people consider being a monk having 100% job security, sometimes it's criminals hiding from the law, and so on.
I'm specifically talking about people pursuing out of doctrinal religious reasons.

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>>9713815

>tfw you weren't born a girl and attaining bodily perfection is forever impossible to you

>>9717922
It's impossible for girls unless they were born into their beauty through genetics. Men can build their bodies and aesthetics, so do that you fucking faggot.

>>9717926
It's literally the other way around. Women can become attractive simply by working on their bodies. Men need to be tall and have attractive faces, both of which are entirely determined by genetics.

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Reminder that men are natural peepers and cuckolds with fantasies of being relevant and dominant like women are indeed: through their rejection of people they do not like

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>>9717931
Holy shit are you retarded? Men are the ones who can work their bodies and look good, that's what fucking being fit and muscular etc. is. Women can't, women can just be fit to looks good, but they can also be regular weight without any real training and still good, or a bit chubby, it all comes down to genetics for them. If she's got a fuck ugly face, small pancake tits, and no hips, it doesn't matter how tight her abs are you fucking mouthbreather, no amount of training will make her attractive. Men don't NEED to be tall to be attractive nor have attractive faces, you just have to be worth something in another way, whether that's money or humor or charisma or indeed a hard body doesn't matter. You can actually do something about it, women can't unless they got the genetics for the foundation. If you weren't a sad miserable fuck you'd know this instead of thinking being a woman would be easier for you, you'd just be a fucking ugly woman and complain about how much easier it would be if you were a man because then at least people wouldn't care how ugly you were or some other shit.

>>9714175
When Michel Houellebecq writes them.

>>9717940
Why are you changing the topic? We were talking about bodily attractiveness. Height and facial characteristics are literally the most important physical attributes for male attractiveness, and both are unchangeable barring some very risky and underdeveloped plastic surgery. Women in general care less about physical qualities, but that's a different side of the issue.

As for women being unattractive if they have small tits and no hips, I hope you're trolling and not genuinely this ignorant. There is a plethora of men who don't give a fuck, me included. I do in fact like fit women, and don't view large tits or wide hips as necessary at all. Men's tastes are incredibly varied. As long as you take care of your body, you can become an attractive woman to millions of men, barring monstrous facial disfiguring or something of that caliber. Plastic surgery options are also much more extensive for women.

>>9717989
Yes you shouldn't ever exercise coz it's not gonna change anything. Gyms are probably pushed by the jews to make money and sell the "organic lifestyle" amirite hahaha

>>9717989
>facial plastic surgery
>risky
wew mate having fun with your cousins everyday?

>>9717926
>Men can build their bodies and aesthetics

Too bad there's nothing appealing about a tough, bulging, veiny, unnatural cluster of muscle, if you're not gay.

>>9716521
>implying that's not correct

Normies with symbolic fake edges are the worst.

>>9718005
Exercising is fine, but it's in the lower tiers in terms of making yourself attractive.

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>>9717695

>>9713815
So I'm defined by what I'm not? By what I wasn't? Fuck that guy.

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reminder that nobody cares about your feeling and that
-men love to overestimate their performance in bed
-men love to be praised by any woman
-men love to underestimate the lust of women
-men love to underestimate the boredom of women
-there is nothing more boring to a woman than to be fucked over and over by only one man
-men love to think that women love men like women love children
-women are in heat all year long
-women see no reward for faithfulness
-women see the reward for sleeping around
-women see no reward for their virginity
-women do not desire to have only one provider for sex
-women do not desire to stay virgin
-women do not know how to stay virgin
-women do not desire to be prude
-women despise nonguly asexual men
-women fear of being asexual

-the only gift a man possesses by his sheer existence is to be left alone if he wants it, but ofc very few men want this since very few men kill their infatuation with their spook of ''society'' and women.

>>9719197
So MGTOW then?

>>9719197

not wrong

>>9717695
How is she spreading her legs further going to affect MY DICK?

>>9717466
Oh, I'm not doubting about those things having a reason to be attractive. It's just that men talk about it like they found the Holy Grail of feeling good when it's 90% their own expectations doing everything.

>>9719197
men and women can have lasting relationships

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>>9719197
The problem with this kind of post is that it always assumes women are these forces of nature incapable of being manipulated by memes or circumstance. It simultaneously rages against a thing while stating that thing is an uncontestable fact--it perpetuates the very system it decries, when it's pretty clear from history that, even if things weren't perfect, they were certainly better. It blames women but doesn't responsibilize them, accepting the game ought to be as it is in the end. It proposes no alternatives because the posters considered themselves powerless from the very beginning. It pretends it has anything to with what men want when it only talks about what women want. And the best part about it is that it bitches about women being roasties when men are oogaboogaing 24/7 on this very site, treating women just as much as disposable objects as the do men, which just loops back into women being shallow and infantilized.

>>9719460
it's expected of men to objectify women which is why it's so much more shocking when a woman does it

>>9719197
The guy was a fucking dork way out of MEW's league

>>9717938
He would have a great physique actually if only he didn't stretch his skin out with all that bodybuilding. that's why functional strength will always be better.

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>>9719469
It's shocking when a desirable woman does it. You don't care about fat ugly bitches cucking their men because all the people involved are fat and ugly. You do get pissed in these cases because you yourself think a high status man deserves a desirable women, because you wish you got his position, because you're playing by *their* rules. You don't give a shit about improving the situation. You don't care about the people that got hurt or used, or how being a slut isn't actually benefitial to the women involved. All you're interested is that the hierarchy of things matches how you think it should be. It really isn't surprising there's guys that would preffer to have been women, to have had everything served to them on a plate like they were pets.

You said it is "expected"? Where the fuck do you think we are? When did 4chan became a place where we went to do what was expected of us?

>>9713815
That's a lot words for "I am too lazy to get laid :(" Besides, it's overrated either way.

>>9716097
>get food and shelter shoved down your throat
>can get SOME job and earn more shekels and make experiences
>can study whatever you want
>can go outside without getting droned
>can consume tons of free shit on the interwebz
>tons of institutions to help your ass
#thestruggle

Nobody is perfectly adapt to society, people learn to adapt. Therapy is free in the first world too if you suck at that.

>>9719197
>-men love to be praised by any woman
Bullshit. Only desperate men doo.

>-there is nothing more boring to a woman than to be fucked over and over by only one man
Spending couple minutes with a memer like you sounds pretty boring.

>-men love to think that women love men like women love children
Wat.

>-women see no reward for faithfulness
>-women see no reward for their virginity
Well, there is none.

>-women do not desire to have only one provider for sex
Who does?

>-women do not desire to be prude
Thank fuck.

>>9719548
i promised myself i'll never become the type of poster that goes for the projection meme but god damn lad
i don't care about ugly people because nobody cares about ugly people
it's shocking when women objectify/cuck/cheat etc on men because women tend to have higher agreeableness. it is simply a greater deviation from the norm for a girl to be an asshole

>>9719564
>>-men love to think that women love men like women love children
>Wat.
it's a meme whereby evolution made men love women and children, women love children and honor men, and children honor both parents
love is defined as unconditional affection while honor is defined as conditional affection
parents need to earn "honor" of children by providing higher chances of child reaching reproductive age, men need to earn honor of love by providing genetic fitness and safety, but women don't need to earn honor of men because they need to be unconditionally protected and children don't need to earn honor of parents because they need to be unconditionally protected

>>9713943
braaaap

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>>9719566
>i promised myself i'll never become
Yeah, please never risk being seen negatively in an anonymous forum.

>the projection meme
How am I wrong?

>i don't care about ugly people because nobody cares about ugly people
That's not the point.

>it's shocking when women objectify/cuck/cheat etc on men because women tend to have higher agreeableness
Stop saying it's shocking when we have a goddamn board designated for this thing.

>it is simply a greater deviation from the norm for a girl to be an asshole
No it's not. This thing has been happening since forever, you don't get to bring up things like "agreeableness" then act like it's not something inherent to our species. Women have been doing this shit since forever. How is the #1 mistake someone can make be a "greater deviation"?

>>9714613
This is me too anon. I'm 19 and I straight up model (mostly small time shoots a couple time a month) and I'm still a virgin. I know I won't be rejected but I'm scared of what comes next. I'm obsessed with women but the sight of straight vagina disgusts me. I thought maybe I'm gay but dicks gross me out even more. Is this normal and will I get over my fear of pussies if I just fuck?

I'm 25 and a virgin. I'm excited about finding another girl who is a virgin to marry. I've turned down girls who came on to me at parties or asked me to feel them up. What is wrong with you people, you are literally victims of the porn culture that has arisen in recent decades which openly and disgustingly sexualizes the bodies of teenage girls. News flash, guys: teenage sex is bad. Any statistic about it will show you that it's associated with bad outcomes and that people who stay virgins in high school will be the most happy, healthy, and successful in the long run.

>>9719598
Oh dear. It's amazing how far people can overthink simple stuff.

>>9719635
>porn culture that has arisen in recent decades
Porn is pretty popular at least since the 70s or so, son.

>teenage sex is bad
If your pastor forgot to tell you about condoms or that pulling out doesn't work.

>that people who stay virgins in high school will be the most happy, healthy, and successful in the long run.
Oh yes, r9k is the epitome of happiness, tranquility and harmony.

>>9717695
I'd love to sniff her feet

>>9719673
>Porn is pretty popular at least since the 70s or so, son.
There is a pretty big difference between having to go to some seedy store or order things of a catalog and just browsing the internet for every fetish imaginable. When it's accessible anywhere, anytime with no cost it tends to become a much bigger problem.

>>9719635
>people who stay virgins in highschool will be the most happy, healthy, and successful in the long run
This has proven to be very untrue.

>>9719617
when you get as good as me at this whole argumentation game you start imposing restrictions on yourself to accelerate the rate at which you transcend your mortal reasoning skills, plus i dislike it when people accuse me of projection and don't wish to be a hypocrite. you're wrong because i don't care if women break the rule of the game, i have no illusions of ever being at the top of the food chain because my mind is already too cucked by all kinds of meaning-destroying absurdism.
the shock isn't that women in general can be unfaithful, because everyone knows it on an intellectual level, it's the contrast between outwards appearances creating certain expectations and the disillusioning reality that creates the shock. men in general don't hide that they're on some level evil as much as women do because it's perceived as positive masculinity, if anything you want to advertise this type of dark triad shit. women on the other hand, the way they socialize and make friends is too different because they try to avoid confrontation (at least on the surface to keep shit civil) so when you find out she cheated on someone or what have you it's like finding out that a meek person is secretly a killer, it does boil down to the contrast with agreeableness.

>>9719673
>he thinks /r9k/'s problems are caused by virginity
Yes, I'm sure the 30 year old men with no job, hobbies, or friends living in their mom's basement who dropped out of community college are in that condition because they never had sex as a teenager.

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>>9717413

Sort yourselves out lads. There are some good women out there, you just gotta keep your eye out.

Protip: Hispanic women will make you food, bear your children, and be loyal, you just have to put up with their occasional craziness.

>>9719698
>when you get as good as me at this whole argumentation game you start imposing restrictions on yourself to accelerate the rate at which you transcend your mortal reasoning skills
What makes you think I don't have my limiters on?

>you're wrong because i don't care if women break the rule of the game
That's great, honestly, but that doesn't make the rest of the thread not care.

>when you find out she cheated on someone or what have you it's like finding out that a meek person is secretly a killer
Okay, no. When all of women's fiction deals with choices in romance, when relationships is nearly all they talk about to each other, there comes a point in which grown men are just being blissfully oblivious of the reality. It's not like men are these hyper-honest creatures either.

>>9719687
>seedy store
People traded cassettes like it's nothing, the fucking porn industry was the cause VHS became popular in the first place. Before that there were magazines at every gas station.

Sure, the choice is better now but it probably only make things more complicated since you get used to it and the variety makes you browse and look for TEH right video longer than rewinding a VHS would take.

>it tends to become a much bigger problem.
For some fuckup with actual problems. If not porn addiction, the person would probably upgrade to drugs.

>>9719717
Most users there are underage and while sex isn't the main factor, they are a great examples of the typical virgin, just a bit more extreme. Every of mine male acquittances, who is still a virgin, whines about it regularly too. Obviously all anecdotical but I'd be very surprise if the majority of virgins in their early/mid twenties are happy with it.

>>9719753
>not pale white
Fucking disgusting, mate.

>>9719771
How low can you get in order to actually defend pornography?

>>9719771
There are some pale Hispanic girls. Plus, every white girl I've been romantically involved with seemed to have an emotional crisis every other day. Completely self-involved, constantly complaining about inane shit. But more power to you my man.

Also they can't cook for shit. Guess that's what happens when you don't have a real culture.

>>9714613
>isn't writing from personal experience

Wrong. He did an interview with a French magazine while living in Ireland where the interviewer describes him getting drunk and crying to Nights in White Satin because it reminded him of being at parties as a teenager and nobody wanting to dance with him because he was ugly and autistic.

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>>9716083
>>9716093

>>9719782
My main point was that porn is nothing "recent" but very common and popular for generations.

Though it's great too. There is hardly any faster way for a release to focus back on relevant stuff.

>>9719783
Dunno, only dated 5 white girls somehow seriously and 4 very perfectly fine without the self-absorbtion and crisises. Just neither was pale enough either.

>Guess that's what happens when you don't have a real culture.
There is no "white culture" but I am yuropoor, mate. Every fucking region got its own culture and history here.

>>9719764
women placing more importance on romance only grants betrayals more impact because they genuinely fall in love more often, which means they experience more duality when they do cheat(or so women's fiction would have me believe) on their partner while when men cheat it's out of callousness
i have an answer for everything lad

>>9719827
Can we rather start with brainlets like you?

>>9719812
Ubiquitous internet porn that is consumed like candy is certainly recent.

>>9713815
"Sex is swell, sex is wonderful. But if you put a holy aura around it, sex stops being fun and starts being neurotic"

Read this quote about 20 years too late.

>>9719827
every pasty white fuckboy needs to kill themselves or else my arab dick is gonna fuck all their women(oh wait, I already do that). Levantine Christian master race here

>>9719846
gb2 nazareth

>>9719819
>women placing more importance on romance only grants betrayals more impact because they genuinely fall in love more often
Which is precisely what makes it more obvious they will cheat, since danger only makes people feel more "alive".

And sorry, but you're not going to win the argument by posting situational descriptions, since they were never the point to begin with.

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Improve your sexual market value

>>9719863
Is the movie good?

>>9719859
>Which is precisely what makes it more obvious they will cheat, since danger only makes people feel more "alive"
how does it follow from women being more romantic
if anything they bond harder

>>9719863
How is it possible to not have sex or only a few times in your life if you actually pursue it? It doesn't make any sense. I'm not an ugly fuck but I can just walk to the nearest congregation or people under 30 and find at least one women there looking to fuck. Even when I was a 5'1" 90lb 14 year old I still had girls that followed me around school, they weren't the good looking ones but that's my point. Ugly people fuck all the damn time. How can you not find sex in 2017

>>9719887
People are mortified of social failures and getting rejected for sex is probably the worst of those

I have been slighted more than once by women and it is always a knife in the belly

>>9719875
Bonding harder also means more expectations not only of their partners but also of their own experiences. I mean, if there were two people in the world maybe Eve would be addicted to Adam's penis without a second thought, but so long as her best friend tells her about how her hunny took her to the Bahamas and the media only shows her relationships maximized for amorous adventures and hunks, she's not going to let a loser get to her so long as she can. But we're falling again into making women an unmediable force of nature, which from my own family experience, they aren't.

>>9713815
The only reason adolescent lust matters to men is because it's the only time you can legally appreciate those very young bodies. Fucking a 20 year old when you're 20 isn't any less fulfilling than fucking a 14 year old when you're 14. Letting the fact that that opportunity passed you by consume your entire life is the most ridiculous and shallow shit I've ever heard. How do you get over it? Fuck an 18 year old and then fuck a 35 year old. Innocence and inexperience only makes the sex worse.

>>9719887
i literally have a car, a house, 2 cats, money, a vasectomy, a comfy mattress, no kids, no gf and i'm still not getting laid

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>>9719887
tfw I managed to bed a fat girl once. 5 years of talking with girls and studying pick up from the most different perspectives finally paid off.

Maybe I'll get pussy in 2018 as well. If I keep a good conversation with at least 3 women a day I might make this reality.

>>9719841
There is only so much your dick can take. Whether you do it to a poster of Pamela or 50 different videos doesn't really matter.

>>9719887
Social awkwardness and rejection anxiety is a bigger problem than looks. I don't know how to talk to a woman.

>>9719887
>How can you not find sex in 2017
live in saudi arabia

>>9719908
PUA bullshit is one of the best scams out there. you cannot fake it till you make it. if you are not predisposed to make it, you won't. there's a reason people become librarians.

what you need to do is find an interest or job that puts your in the orbits of women, and talk those ladies up without being gross or creepy. they're not all going to sleep with you, but one or two might be amenable to the idea if you try.

>>9719899
That makes sense. People put sexually attractive women way to high on the pedestal to the point where their opinion becomes the most important thing in the world. I guess I always had a slight misogynistic view of women throughout my life, I could never take the majority of their opinions seriously so sexual rejections becomes one more act of women I could care less about. Even the hotter and more successful women I've been with has given me that same feeling, I always kind of pitied them

>>9719920
what if i told you anon is a woman
yet here you are talking

>>9719922
At least you aren't a girl.

>>9719923
>if you are not predisposed to make it, you won't
So here is your answer to "How can you not find sex in 2017". Glad I could help.

>>9719926
How do I have sex with you though? I'm ugly btw

>>9719899
>>9719925
I can assure you rejection doesn't phase me. Fear from social failure is not the reason people don't have sex.

>>9719934
it was just a thought experiment i'm just a guy

>>9719929
There are other ways to meet girls than bars or clubs. Those are probably great places to meet whores, if you speak that language.

For people who don't; hobbies, careers, and fellow travelers are where you find love. My longest, best relationship was with a coworker who I spent a lot of time on the clock with just talking and working together.

>>9719923
>PUA bullshit
I'm pretty sure it's social skills 101 stuff and social skills can definitely be improved.

I've pretty much lost all hope of ever having sex. You learn to accept it after a certain age. I just wish that society was more honest about the nature of attraction, and how much more privileged women are when it comes to forming interpersonal relationship. People talk about the wage gap all the time, but areas where women have an absolute advantage don't register.

>>9719928
true, still sux tho

>>9719917
I'm talking about your mind

>>9719951
It is but it's not relayed well. Part of the scam is keeping the fount of wisdom a perpetual need. These guys have newletters, videos, conferences (live and taped), all sorts of bullshit. What they are teaching is nothing special, but they are doing it in a circuitous way and always dangling the fruit of sex with women in front of you while they do, like a hypnotist swings a clock or bit of glass.

Invariably there are anecdotes, even personal ones of some bit of this working, and so the myth they might offer some value is perpetuated.

>>9719944
>There are other ways to meet girls than bars or clubs
I don't go to bars or clubs. You want to create a reality that just doesn't exist for some people. And you might lose your mojo from one day to another as well. Your intent is certainly a good one, but things aren't as easy as your common sense approach makes it seem.

>>9719959
I'm a good looking Christian arab, if I go to Rydiyah can I expect to find anyplace to find women or will I have to rely on escorts

>>9719923
PUA is bullshit but yes, you can fake it till you make it, quite easy. Confidence is a meme you only need to believe in.

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>tfw so socially ackward that you can barely talk to anybody
>not autistic or uninsteresting just incapable of starting conversation
>tfw at peace with the fact that i will either become a hermit or end up marrying a digger if i become successful
as long as she's presentable, not annoying, and won't get pregnant with somebody else's kid idgaf

We need to make prostitution a thing again. Can't believe how it's more restricted now than it was in medieval Europe

>>9719974
No, some people are a Tucker Max and some people are a Swing Blade. This is the nature of man. We are not all cut from some chad mold. And there is nothing wrong with being an underachiever sexually; if anything you're limiting the transmission of disease, a societal good. No unwanted orphans either.

But it is better to copulate than never.

>>9719978
Goddamnit, that's a nice fucking pillow.

>>9719996
It's a biological imperative. And our wider culture keeps encouraging it through the media. I can't help but want to fuck

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>>9720004
>It's a biological imperative.

>>9720007
>people aren't born with inherent biological drives
>people are blank slates
Dude, erections aren't a choice

>>9720002
>some people are a Tucker Max and some people are a Swing Blade.
That's such a shitty excuse. It's getting laid, not quantum-physics, one of the most basic needs in 99% of the population, which most eventually manage ... multiple times! No matter how stupid, ugly or spergy they are.You don't need to be chad for that.

>>9719996
You're posting a picture of the most degenerate, evil fucks there was who ruined their country and shot themselves. Pathetic.

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>>9719978
Once you are comfortable it's very hard to get out of the rut.

Meeting a girl isn't easy, but if you're willing to put time into something that ISN'T chick but puts your (washed, groomed, hopefully well dressed) corpus within sight of women will improve your odds, from basically nil to probable.

If you are truly blessed by Juno the ladies will try to break the ice with you. They should be applauded (don't actually applaud, I'm being metaphorical).

>>9720014
"imperative" implies ought which is what spooked fellow anon

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>>9720014
>deriving an ought from an is

>>9720021
>>9720025
A biological compulsion that never goes away is effectively indistinguishable from a "need" in common parlance. Same as you'd call social interaction a "need" even if it isn't literally impossible to live without social interaction.

>>9720034
Sex in the way your describing is definitely more a social need than a biological need.

I am sure you and others have the biological need firmly in hand, so to speak

>>9720034
>biological
i'm a postmodernist, i have no biological needs

>>9720020
that'd imply i want to get out
i've got enough on my plate being a student/trying to get a job/being a would-be author
like, i'm well groomed and everything because i'm self-conscious, and i wouldn't say no if she made the first move, but as it is there's not much to gain from it in my perspective

>If you are truly blessed by Juno the ladies will try to break the ice with you.
that's indeed how i got with my one girlfriend

>>9720046
I'm a 20 years old virgin and I'm already getting tired of jacking off, if I don't fuck soon I might go crazy. This is most definitely not a social need, I can't go one minute without thinking about pussy

>>9720046
A social need isn't something to be taken lightly. Solitary confinement usually meets all biological needs, but people still go crazy.

Is it wrong that I don't actually want to get intimate with someone that I don't feel any connection with? I just can't make this leap from the casual conversation to the flirt. On two occasions this week I've talked with girls that were clearly interested in me (one even initiated dance), but I didn't really want to pursue it. I know most of guys would take the advantage of those situations so I fear I might be somewhat fucked up.

>>9720059
>20
You're a baby. Most people are still losing their virginity at your age. I'm a 25 year old virgin. I'm post-college aged. I know what hell is like.

>>9720067
I agree. Man is a social species and sex is an obvious fundamental need in 99.9% of the specimens.

I don't have all the answers, but putting the pussy on a pedestal is definitely not the way.

>>9720034
You do understand the very word "biological" comes from the very science that's getting us closer and closer to manipulating genes, right? And even then, there's ways people can be fine with not having sex through things like religious discipline--which can be easily disseminated through easy access and sharing of information and governamental planning.

>>9720069
Isn't some level of intimacy what makes the connection and not the other way around?

>>9720059
Just get a hooker.

>>9720080
I feel really fucking old to be a virgin. Everyone around me from the ugliest have already fucked and had gfs. It doesn't help that my brother has been a major player since he was like 6 years old losing his virginity at 14 even though we look like twins.

>>9720059
I was 19 when I finally had sex and I felt exactly like you my friend.

If you cannot help but focus on it, find a slooot or pay for it. No thing that can be bought for so little is worth so much anxiety. But to get the good stuff, the free kind, you must make some productive enterprise the focus of your life. The sex will come when you stop needing it so much.

>>9720099
This is what I'm trying to do, gain weight, get a job, stop smoking weed and leave the house. Until then I don't feel confident enough for pursuing women. The worse is my weight, I'm 5' 11" 130 lb

>>9720097
>Isn't some level of intimacy what makes the connection and not the other way around?

I don't know? I think I wouldn't have had this problem if either of them was a friend of mine (or at least more attractive).

>>9713866
>How do i stop being depressed and desperate
>stop being depressed and desperate

k

>>9720116
>smoking weed
yeah see, this will do it too. i know because i'm a huge fucking stoner. i've smoked a gram already my nigga!

drop the weed, eat normal (don't become bearmode, three squares a day will do it for the skinny man) and focus on working hard as fuck. if it's retail you'll be a star in no time. nobody busts ass in retail except managers. it's really easy to become a retail manager if you're a white fucking male and "work" hard.

once you got the cash rolling, there's going to be some hot new coworker or overly solicitous customer and you'll get a number and it will happen. but you gotta play it cool. always play it cool.

>>9713815
Not only do I know these feels my name just so happens to be Raphael, so this feels like an extremely personal stab in the heart.

>>9720135
>reading comprehension

The ideas of sex and romantic love are at the absolute center of our culture. They're the subject of most movies, the majority of popular music, a large section of our art and literature, and most advertising and marketing. Even the way we dress and act around each other in public communicates them. So not being able to participate in something that your brain, your hormones, and your culture are all begging you to participate in is a sort of pain that's indescribable to people who don't feel it.

The biggest problem to me is the empathy gap that exists for male virgins. Unattractive women who feel worthless and invisible deserve our empathy, and are often portrayed sympathetically in the media, while male virgins are beta male losers or creepy entitled incels. It's like your own self-loathing is being confirmed by other people. Like it's not that you just feel worthless for circumstances that are beyond your control, it's that you actually are worthless. It's really a dark state of mind that no one in the media is addressing.

>>9720116
I am about the same weight and a bit shorter (5'9") and honestly, it's not a big deal. Women have different preferences and some really hot chicks loved it.

Though you obviously should get some weight, getting toned and working on your posture is way more important on the physical side.

>>9720161
wew lad

I think you just need to get laid my friend, no joking. You don't need to fuck uggos either. You should be sleeping with people you want to, not out of duty or lack of options. When is what you don't want ever an acceptable option except in times of extreme duress?

I have gone the fatties route and they were not happy fatties. I did know a fun and cute chubby chick though. Fucked that up, as we must all fuck up many times.

>>9720173
>I think you just need to get laid my friend, no joking.
It's not that simple. I'm short and ugly; no one wants to fuck me.

>>9713815

You don't think there are women who go through the same shit?

It's inconceivable that someone should be alone in such a large society. The problem isn't that no woman will accept you, the problem is that you're unwilling to accept the women who will.

>>9720161
>not being able to participate in something
It's 100% your choice not to participate by not working on yourself and seeking out potential partners.

>Unattractive women who feel worthless and invisible deserve our empathy, and are often portrayed sympathetically in the media
Huh? Ugly women are often the butt of a joke and presented as the creepy cat lady.

>while male virgins are beta male losers or creepy entitled incels
Because most are. Look at redpill shit or r9k/v/.

>for circumstances that are beyond your control
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. It's comfortable isn't it? No need to do shit, it's all out of control.

>>9720185
>I'm short and ugly
Got two 5'6" midget friends, one got "somehow cute Russian bum" aesthetics, the other looks like a faggot on roids. They regularly get laid. Maybe it's just your shitty personality?

>>9720185
Someone out there would be game for fucking you. Someone you want to fuck. I guarantee it.

Do you have any sort of hobby that isn't masturbation? You need to find girls that share your hobby.

Look, I can't guarantee anything. A lot of times you probably won't get teh poosy. That's not important. If you're a good sort of lad, they might know other ladies who are single for a minute. If you have no self esteem it's going to be hard, so I recommend both associating with more women, particularly over common interests, and working, because people have self-esteem when they engage in productive, compensated work. otherwise they're useless welfare junkies.

I never got girls by being a loser. Only positivity will work in this regard. The movies are bullshit. Beautiful happy people don't sleep with sad losers.

>>9720202
Hell, even being a loser is a non issue if you have a decent personality too.

Now positivity and basically being the person, people want to spend time with, that's crucial.

>>9720195
>>9720188
I've been working on my personality for a long time, and I think i'm getting better, but a lot of this is simply genetic. I've been an awkward and hopelessly shy kid since I could first talk. The only thing about me that's of any value is that i'm well-read, and being well-read isn't something you can communicate to a girl in a casual conversation.

>>9720214
People who are positive about their situation, and their relationships, are not losers. Even if they are materially poor at the moment. Loser is a state of mind. Everything else is circumstance.

I've known poor people with more esteem than me, a man with material comfort.

>>9720219
>The only thing about me that's of any value is that i'm well-read, and being well-read isn't something you can communicate to a girl in a casual conversation.
Go work, or volunteer, at a library.

There are literally topics of (hushed) conversation everywhere.

>>9720229
>dumb poor people have high self esteem which results in even worse decision making
this is in accordance with popular narrative

>>9720239
Isn't the person with a shitty attitude much dumber?

>>9720249
high esteem isn't "a good attitude". esteem as an emotion/intuition is very much like fear in that it is regulatory by nature, it's not good or bad in and of itself, rather it serves as an indicator of how you are doing. having high esteem when you're doing badly means you aren't receiving the signal and therefore can't adapt, in much the same way that feeling no fear in danger will get you killed.
poor dumb people have every reason to have low esteem unless they practice voluntary poverty or some kind of asceticism

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>>9720260
>automatically assumes your bank account is the measure of success
a man is not measured by how much money he has. what matters is how he got it... and what he does with it.

live long enough, everyone will be both rich and poor at some point, maybe many times over. but self esteem is a constant disconnected from those things.

a man with an empty wallet is happy with a pretty girl in his arms.

>>9720202
>Someone out there would be game for fucking you. Someone you want to fuck. I guarantee it.

It's a nice sentiment, but you can't guarantee something like that. I've never come across someone who's displayed any sort of sexual interest in me in my 25 years of being alive. I'm still holding on to the small hope that some 38 year old will settle for me after a lifetime of sleeping around (which I don't mind), but the prospect of youthful sex, or sex with someone i'm attracted to is already so beyond the realm of imagination for me that I don't even think about it. Romance is as far away from my expectations as winning the lottery.

>>9720280
Of you are not disabled or grotesquely ugly than you're lying to yourself

>>9720279
>a man is not measured by how much money he has. what matters is how he got it... and what he does with it.
meme

>self esteem is a constant disconnected from those things.
dysfunctional

>>9720260
The poor in the first world are still relatively well off, like really well off, with no reason to worry about anything life threatening. Perhaps a happy poorfag can simply enjoy life instead of looking for reasons to be unhappy.

Also it seems obvious in context that we talk about "a good attitude" as part of their high esteem. It tends to run hand in hand either way.

>it's not good or bad in and of itself, rather it serves as an indicator of how you are doing
Not really. Self esteem is linked to your perception of how you're doing. The actual situation is irrelevant.

>>9720298
Do you lack a rational mind anon, or are you a slave of your emotions? Throw a pouty fit every time the toys are taken away?

>>9720302
>The actual situation is irrelevant.
relativist

>>9720307
That's simply how brains work, nigga.

>>9720304
you're the one ruled by your emotions seeing as you're unwilling to experience negative emotions despite being fully aware of their function in keeping you alive

>>9720316
You seem to think having self-esteem is, what, a innoculation against negative emotions? I mean, in a sense it is, in that you don't let them rule your life. But you can still be upset, infuriated, outraged, etc with a high self esteem. In fact, these emotions are the indicator of self-esteem.

They say fear is the mind killer, but that's absurd; apathy is the mind killer.

But emotions, unable to be turned off, are not the barometer for how to act. They are irrational by nature. You use your prefrontal cortex for solving problems anon, not the lizard part of the brain. Self-esteem is a manisfestation of your self-actualization or some shit, which is borne of the thinking part of your brain.

Having a weird primitive brain and a brand-new alien-being ghost-in-the-shell mind inhabiting the same body is really hell on us humans.

>>9720295
If I was 16 and said this, you'd have a point. But 25 years is 1/3 of one's life. If after that long you still receive no sexual attention, then it's difficult to imagine it ever happening.

>>9720338
Most men never receive unsolicited sexual attraction, you're comparing yourself to men in movies. Some few do, but it's obviously not you so like 99% of men in this world you have to actively pursue it yourself. I bet you've never really put yourself out there

what happened to that thread about the 30 year old hags that couldn't find a husband with a job? did mods delet

>>9720338
>You're dead at 75
Anon, even with today's medical science that would be from ignorance and not acting on medical problems before they are serious. Only a tiny portion of people are committed to a death before their 80s. Humans can achieve 100 with relative ease. Most people simply poison themselves before then. The liver and kidneys can only handle so much.

Nevertheless, I didn't fuck for the first 20 years of my life, and it's ok. It will all be ok when you do fuck, my good anon. It was hard to imagine at 20.

Seriously, if nothing else, make some scratch, buy yourself some attentions. You would not be the first and you won't be the last. There is no shame in satisfying curiosity.

Throat no longer parched for lack of water, you will find others in due time that give it freely.

>>9720332
>But emotions, unable to be turned off, are not the barometer for how to act
duality
>They are irrational by nature
dysfunctional

>>9720352
>dysfunctional
obtuse

>duality
adolescent

no more (You)s until you form a sentence, you double-nigger

>>9720342
What would even constitute putting yourself out there? Sexual aggression isn't taken lightly when you're ugly. It's how you get called "creepy", get thrown out of bars, and garner a bad reputation.

>>9720365
>he can't extrapolate the full ideas from key words
what kind of pleb am i even dealing with here?

>>9720351
No idea how to even buy sex tbqh. It's not like you can just walk into a brothel here.

All the virgins in this thread--you know it's not that big of a deal right? Sexual intimacy can feel amazing but it can also incur a whole new set of problems, particularly if you're in a relationship. Additionally, it's much more worthwhile to pursue an interest obsessively than to do so with a woman. If you go the latter route you'll be asking to be emotionally crushed. Take it easy, women are just people; creatures just like men. And if you meet the right women you don't have to play games.

>>9720372
Stop caring about being vulnerable. Move to place where you can drunkenly wander from place to place in complete anonymity if you crave strangers validation so much. You've already stated in your other post about the prospect of fucking to be unimaginable, so why does it matter if you have to face confirmation of that fact before you find an outlier?

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>>9720379
I would google The Erotic Review. Or DuckDuckGo if they filter. Also backpage will work in most metropolises or urban locations.

Unfortunately there is a risk factor, as there is with buying drugs or any other forbidden activity. But for the most part they are just looking to make money and not have a lot of drama or get arrested. Quality varies so a site like TER can help you. It's a buyer's market.

>>9720384
>Stop caring about being vulnerable
are you telling him to emotionally dull himself to the point where he stops caring about or feeling anything from being rejected
boy that sure sounds like a certain popular disorder

>>9720389
No its not "emotionally dulling" it's to stop being a slave to other people's superficial approval. Take life into your own damn hands.

>>9720381
People who say this don't know how preferred relationship problems are to never having been in a position to have had relationship problems. I'd can't tell you how much i'd prefer someone being angry at me over no one caring about me at all; the opposite of live isn't hate, it's indifference.

>>9720395
>Stop caring
>not "emotionally dulling"
;^)

>>9720384
All I have are my emotions. If I blunt my brain and dull myself into indifference, then I wouldn't enjoy how music and literature makes me feel. I'd become a non-person.

>>9720401
So a grown adult ignoring the opinion of a naive teenager is "emotionally dulling"? A confident man who doesn't fall apart when being rejected by one of a few billion women is "emotionally dulling"? Stop making excuses to justify the fact that you're a weak willed faggot who needs the opinions of random women to to not off himself

>>9720412
see >>9720413

>>9720399
This. The fact that a women would care about me enough to be angry is so much better than not even existing in anyone's mind

>>9720399
Fair enough, I guess I hit the genetic lottery cause I've never experienced that. However, it's the classic idea that the grass will be greener on the other side. Do you know how to love yourself, or are you caught in a spiral of self-contempt because you think no one will give a shit about you? Think hard about this, because if you don't love yourself you cannot love another person; you'll turn them into your God and invite all new kinds of anxieties and neuroses. Are you committed to some kind of passion? Do you even know what you want to do with your life? These are much more pressing questions, because if you focus on yourself and develop command over your abilities, you'll have the confidence (literally, faith in yourself) that naturally attracts women without much effort.

>>9720399
*opposite of love
Excuse the grammatical errors, i'm drinking

>>9720430
What this guy said.

You can't love someone if you don't love yourself. And I seriously doubt anyone can love such a person. Not the kind of love that will produce eros, anyway.

>>9720430
>>9720443
Loving yourself, or just confidence in general, is the result of external sources of validation. Someone whose life is in complete shambles loving themselves could only be the result of an acute form of delusion and narcissism. If all you've ever experienced in life is rejection and ostracization, then even the smallest amount of self-reflection will result of self-loathing.

>>9720413
>So a grown adult ignoring the opinion of a naive teenager is "emotionally dulling"?
yes

>>9720466
>Loving yourself, or just confidence in general, is the result of external sources of validation
nope, big wrong there friendo. it comes from the heart.

you sound like the dude that was posting $10 single-word replies earlier. you gotta pull your head out of your ass, son. i'm senior to you so i know what i'm talking about.

>>9720413
Human beings are hard-wired to respond negatively to social rejection, given that we couldn't survive outside our tribe throughout most of our evolutionary history. Asking someone to ignore the opinions of other people is impossible to anyone who isn't genetically anti-social.

>>9720477
>nope, big wrong there friendo. it comes from the heart.
yuck
i bet you believe in free will and god too

>>9720477
How is loving yourself despite society telling you that you suck anything other than narcissistic?

>>9720466
As a former heroin addict that I know said to me, "I create all of my problems." It's easier said than done, but you've really gotta break out of this mentality man. For your own sake. I also don't agree entirely with that claim. Everyone needs encouragement, but you've got to have the resolve to keep trying even in the face of laughter, derision, and indifference. A lot of successful people were "losers" at some point and they didn't give a fuck. Why should you?

Go camping or something. Sounds like you need to clear your mind.

>>9720499
The thing is that issues concerning attraction are primarily genetic, unlike problems concerning addiction or poverty. My problem isn't weight, so I can't work my way towards becoming more physically attractive to women.

>>9720499
patronizing

>>9713826
Adolescent love sucks. It's awkward. You'll come too fucking early. She will be too tight.

When you do find a girl your age, and you will, you'll realize you simply didn't know what you were looking for.

1) Get your shit together lifewise; food, health, try to have a decent social life (even if it's just playing some board game with a nerd squad).
2) Maximize them odds; dating sites, Tinder, going out in general, maybe even finding a new job. Swipe, write, date.
3) Realize most women are just holes, some are more.

>>9720491
Belief in an omnipowerful God would preclude free will, would it not?

>>9720496
That's like, literally what self-esteem is. That's why it's called SELF ESTEEM, it's how you feel about yourself or how you valuate your self-worth. Productive enterprise is the easiest way to guarantee a positive shift pschologically. Getting laid, winning the lottery and such will provide temporary boosts to mood, but are no replacement for honest work for honest pay.

>>9717751

Cool, bro. I'm sure you've based this assessment of me on sound physical evidence. Its good to know we have such a talented psyche-profiler in our midst.

>>9720480
Asking someone to pay attention to everyone's opinions is impossible in modern society. You are always gonna piss someone off, for some just existing is enough. I'm not saying to stop caring about humans, but the feelings of random people you will never see should not keep you from pursuing what you want

>>9720516
What exactly is your problem then?

>>9720517
Boo hoo. No one can change your life except yourself.

>>9720530
Negative emotions, like shame, aren't necessarily irrational. Study after study show the genetic component involved in being happy and contented. Self-esteem is just another term for the subjective evaluation of your own social positioning in your group, and it's not something that you can change without changing the underlying problems of your low social position.

>>9720572
>What exactly is your problem then?
I'm short and have a mediocre face. I also have bad vision, and get sick often due to a terrible immune system. I'm probably smarter than average, but I don't have good genes when it comes to outward physical indicators of health.

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>>9720590
Earning money and having scarcity in time for others are things that raise your social position in a capitalist society.

You should obsess yourself with work, until your are too tired to obsess over semantics

>>9720610
I'm doing this, but it's not a guarantee. If you could become wealthy by sheer force of will then poverty wouldn't be a a major issue.

>>9720554
>Asking someone to pay attention to everyone's opinions
>the feelings of random people you will never see should not keep you from pursuing what you want
wow look at you disagreeing with an opinion expressed by nobody in this thread, you're really good at constructing a moderate, easily defensible position to create the impression that your opponent is an extremist for disagreeing with you, that way you successfully vent your frustration without having expressed any of the dumb opinions that you secretly hold which are the root cause of your disagreement in the first place because you know you can't defend them, you'll make a good politician

>>9720618
There are only two guarantees in life anon. Death and taxes.

>>9720633
And sex, for most people.

>>9720602
Idk man, I've seen some ugly fucks with pretty good-looking girls. Sounds like your situation could be a lot worse. Also, unless you're a midget you're probably overestimating your height problem.

What is your main interest? I'm telling you, as soon as I started dedicating myself to my interests I gave less of a fuck about what people think about me and started living in the moment. I used to be a self-conscious beta fuck, didn't have a gf through all of my adolescence until senior year, and she was an overweight emotional mess. A girl cannot solve your problems, you have to address your concerns and think of a solution.

>>9720645
My height issue isn't an exaggeration. I also live in a part of the country full of old money Dutch immigrants, so even the women are like 5'9" here. It's a huge problem for me.

As for interests, I devote myself to reading and writing, but I have yet to see any woman impressed by the fact that I can quote Keats. I don't do it to impress women, but being hunched over a book for 5 hours a day doesn't exactly arouse them.