Online Group Reading DAY 1

Notes from the Underground
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Monday June 26
Chapters I and II

did you have to start a new thread for this?

>>9683120
I won't be starting a new thread for each day, but I updated the schedule so to prevent confusion I started a new thread for today

>>9683077
Would be cool if you could reply to annotations

>>9683318
For now you can edit other people's annotations which can make things interesting

Note: according to reddit, 6.000 rubles in 1870 were around 80.000 current dollars.
This book is from 1864, so the amount should be around the same.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/2smo9u/how_much_would_6000_russian_rubles_in_the_1870s/

Anyone know who does the best translations for Dosty Boy?

>>9683657
The one on the website is the Project Gutenberg version, which seems like the de facto translation for this novel at least

>>9683077
I'm going to read it tonight and I will be able to discuss the first two chapters tomorrow.

>>9683597
i added this to the annotations for ya C:

Hey guys OP here just a note,

1. You can annotate anywhere (even on later dates you can still annotate chapters we've already passed)

2. You can edit any annotation you want so go wild, debate some peeps

In the annotations someone presented an interesting question on the source of the resentment. From what I've read so far I assume the resentment is self-induced by the nihilistic, delusional and destructive views of the narrator. A footnote in my copy suggests that in fact the underground man presents an image of traditional Russian society during the influx of more and more Western ideas and the confusion that it caused to many Russians used to their old lives.

>>9683832
Western ideas such as?

>>9683874
Just the modernization of society in general according to the Western model. Another better view of the process can probably be seen in Anna Karenina where everybody looks up to westerners, attempts to follow their ways, high society speaks to their children in French etc.

>>9683657
Richard Pevear & Larissa Volokhonsky hands down

>>9683915
wrong.

>>9683905
Gotcha. The Français plays a role in War and Peace too.

So far I've taken the Underground Man's nihilism as the byproduct of Russian atheism. Not sure if Death Of God is a separate thing or if it's also a Western idea

>>9683077
this book is like 200 pages long do you really need a group to help you finish it?

>>9683996
The point is to share your insights with the community! with the annotation tool

>>9683926
what's right?

>>9683996
no. but we would like a group to discuss it with.
t. hanks guy who misses the whole point of reading groups.

>>9684022
>>9684025
I'll admit that I didn't actually read the OP. Sorry, I did miss the point.
Anyway I think I'll join in. :)

I am curious;in my version of the book it is divided by two par: one named Katia and the other one Lisa.Does somebody know if they are both related?

>>9683915
Great translation for redditors

I'm in; reading.

>>9683926
why is that wrong?

>>9684074
Explain

>>9684086
Awesome make sure to leave some insights if anything comes to you :)

>>9683077
How do I make an annotation?

>>9684662
Select any part of the text, then click on the small icon that appears nearby.

Sorry for using this thread for asking this, Is Constance Garnett a good translator? I want to read Crime and Punishment

>>9684852
He's probably alright

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>>9685415

>>9684852
Some people are critical of her translations. Nabokov in particular comes to mind. She isn't reddit though.
>>9685415
She*

The rate with which The Underground Man pretty much sums up my thinking about life in general is kind of distressing me.
I literally feel most of what he is saying on a daily basis, down to the self-awareness of my being an asshole unloveable cynic for being this way.

OP here

DAY 2 BOYS

Chapters III and IV lets get it

http://174.138.60.204/

>>9687826
Just wanna say this shit is dope. Thanks.

>>9686463
You're going to love the rest of the book if you're already identifying with The Underground Man.

I wont be doing the reading for today, but I'll catch up and add to the discussion tomorrow.

I read the sections for today, but I don't have much to discuss yet. Thanks for this though. I've been meaning to read Notes and this finally got me to do it.

Well, so far the narrator is just arguing with himself. Hope it becomes more interesting later on.

"He simply would not be humble, and clanked his sword in a disgusting way. I carried on a feud with him for eighteen months over that sword. At last I got the better of him. He left off clanking it."


Sounds to me that he lost the feud?

>>9689686
How do you mean? The sword clanker stopped clanking.

>>9689708
>He left off clanking it

I took this to mean he walked off clanking it, but I guess it's to be interpreted as he stopped clanking it?

>>9689741
That's my interpretation at least. Left off can mean to cease.

The part about the mouse pretty much describes the entirety of /r9k/ and most of the 4chan user base at large
I'm currently mentally replacing every instance of the word "men of action" with "normie" and it's hilarious

>>9689756

I tend to agree with you now, that he ceased clanking.

The blurb on the back of my penguin edition makes this book sounds like the worst thing ever:

"(In bold, scrawling text): HOW FAR WOULD YOU GO TO ESCAPE THE REAL WORLD

The underground man had always felt like an outsider. He doesn't want to be like other people, working in the 'ant-hill' of society. So he decides to withdraw from the world, scrawling a series of darkly sarcastic notes about the torment he is suffering. Angry and alienated, his only comfort is the humiliation of others.

Is he going mad?
Or is it the world around him that's insane?"

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>>9689783
>yfw Dostoevsky is a YA author

do us all a favor and put the name of the damn book on OP................................

>>9690992
a little too late for that, will do for the next thread

Not yet read todays chapters.

I've noticed changes to the style of annotations, I personally prefered the way they worked before.

I haven't read ahead, but what did The Underground Man mean when he said he'd rather be lazy than what he is now? What is he if not lazy? Am I a brainlet?

>>9692075
Yeah I was in the process of updating the annotations plugin.

Annotations are green again :P

OP here, today I added a column to the right of the text which displays all the annotations
http://174.138.60.204/

This way you can get a birds eye view of all the comments (previously you had to hover over highlights to see an annotation)

Today is Day 3, chapters V, VI, and VII

Thanks for reading along with me guys :)

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>>9692150
That's better, thanks. I just have this strange overlapped text rendering thing (see pic).

>>9692479
Fixed the overlapping shit

>>9692638
thanks

>>9692354
hey nigga thanks for doing this its really cool

>>9692767
Appreciate it

Im trying to figure out how to encourage more annotations