Latro in the Mist exhaustive commentary

Aramini — I am glad you are here. I haven't seen your posts in a long while. Sincerely, a follower in youthful admiration of the devotion.

>>9682346
Thanks - been really busy writing, amongst other things. I appreciate it.

>>9682355
If you're the real deal Aramini prove it. Record yourself doing 5 one handed push ups and upload in WebM form.

>>9682307

Care to do a Fifth Head of Cerberus one?

>>9682371
Tomorrow i will if this thread is still around. It's 2 o'clock here.

>>9682373
My fifth head essay is at ultan's library, and there's a youtube vid as well. I have probably gotten better at these essays, but I don't know that i want to redo fifth head.

>>9682373
http://ultan.org.uk/variance-reduction-techniques/

>>9682373
https://youtu.be/esAjkChAy7M

What if I start Wolfe with Latro instead of Book of the New Sun?

>>9682307
Latrine in the Mist

>>9682916
I don't know because it's the final boss of Wolfe I haven't read yet. But people say you should read Herodotus.
>>9682307
Is your second volume going to cover all of Wolfe's fiction that's left or is there going to be a third one? And are you going to include a larger commentary on the New Sun? It's the only work in the first vol. that I remember enough to be able to follow your writing on. Shame it was only 30 pages long.

>>9682985
>But people say you should read Herodotus.

already done

>>9682916
yes you can start there. Then read my essay, which mentions all of the Herodotus references anyway, so you don't have to read Herodotus.

>>9682985
It was too long, so number 2 will cover all of Wolfe's fiction up to 2001. It is now done, but needs to be submitted to my editor. I have finished all of the short fiction writeups regardless, but still have to complete essays on Wizard Knight, Land Across, Evil Guest, Sorcerers House, and Borrowed Man. Then it will be completely done. I will probably write a more traditional comparative essay listing some features of new sun in the third volume to make it at least somewhat attractive ... but I am very proud of this second volume, which has the best work I will ever do.

>>9682985
I tried to make the long essays in this second volume more self-contained, which means more summary and more careful exposition, but the arguments are always complicated. The Short Sun and Latro essays are hundreds of pages long.

>>9682307
You truly are the king of kings.

>>9684845
Thanks! I need to revise one key point [spoilers past this point] Gaea wants Pausanias to lose the race so he can win prestige, be influenced by the Persians, and start a helot rebellion; Artemis wants him to win the race so he can be destroyed; Pasicrates forgives Latro and gets destroyed in the games; the Amazons win an urn and have to sacrifice it; Io loves Latro and lets women try to cheer him up, hurting herself; Artemis is foiled but then appears by Latro in her silver empyreal form ... all of these things show that the path to victory is loss, and Artemis is actually purified, as is Pasicrates and Pausanias. I am certain Wolfe was inspired by the pryaer of St. Francis, given its use of light "lucius" and joy "io" - he took it one further by making the channel of peace the avatar of War.

Make me a channel of your peace.
Where there is hatred let me bring your love.
Where there is injury, your pardon, Lord
And where there's doubt, true faith in you.

Make me a channel of your peace
Where there's despair in life, let me bring hope
Where there is darkness, only light
And where there's sadness, ever joy.

Oh, Master grant that I may never seek
So much to be consoled as to console
To be understood as to understand
To be loved as to love with all my soul.

Make me a channel of your peace
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
In giving to all men that we receive
And in dying that we're born to eternal life.

These books are ludicrously Christian, and everyone seems to read them as simply more hard determined classical pawn heroic fiction.

What are all the recommended Wolfe books? He's written a lot.

>>9683063
Been looking forward to volume 2 ever since the first volume was release, your essays are a treat

>>9685828
Peace, Fifth Head of Cerberus, Latro in the Mist, New Sun, Long Sun (because it leads to) Short Sun. I have a soft spot for There Are Doors since I figured it out - unreliable third person narration for a reason ... Short Story collections: Island of Doctor Death or Best of Gene Wolfe, Endangered Species.

>>9685917
Thanks! Part of the delay besides personal big life events was the immense burden I feel to "get it right" - I have to be able to satisfactorily explain, for example, why Aglaus thinks Latro hits him in the throat in a dream while both Latro and Pasicrates think Pasicrates acted in that fashion - if I can't do it either symbolically or literally on a plot level, then I don't fully understand the implication of the scene and the write up is FLAWED OR WRONG. This Latro write up was hard because I would come to a firm realization and have to go back and change the connotation of previous glosses slightly.Volume 2 is seriously the greatest work I can possibly do - this is my absolute best effort on Wolfe's most enduring and perfect fiction. At times i have sacrificed narrative flow in the essays for extreme thoroughness.

>>9686062
>Latro in the Mist
So is reading Soldier of Sidon not recommended? And isn't his Wizard Knight really popular?

someone talk about the wizard knight. i liked it and it has the same numinous quality as tbotn but i'm a brainlet and i don't get garsecg. the part where he's ascending some sort of staircase(?) to meet him is beautiful though.

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what did he mean by this?

Excellent. I will keep this saved for my re-read of Latro.

>>9686130
It is recommended.

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>gene wolfe wears wolf t-shirts

do you think wolfey ever says to himself "i am the walrus teehee"?

is marc aramini what happens when someone takes /fitlit/ seriously?

Part of me only opened this thread to see Aramani's grand return.

aramini is a manlet.

>>9687948
but is he, dare i say, /ourmanlet/ ?

>>9687954
>genre fiction
>manlet
yeah, i guess he is.

>https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144066071&p=867296161&viewfull=1#post867296161

kek but also mirin

>>9688132
>Tfw 99-101 iq brainlet

>reddit.com/u/aramini
>95% of posts about walrus man, 5% about weeb video games

say it with me now: OUR GUY

>>9688132
Oh wow forgot about that crap. Not as ripped anymore but i am 40.

>>9688290
do u have goodreads

>>9688291
Yes but i rarely update or check it

>>9688295
Shame!

>>9688290
what's your hot take on this board's newest meme intellectual, jordan peterson? seems like some degree of crossover appeal with wolfe with the defense of hierarchy and religion and religious/mythological semiotics.

>>9688298
After this project is done I will. And read non wolfe research things again ...

>>9688308
link it then I guess

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>I'm ridiculously narcissistic, I love being short, fast, and there's a certain, "oh, he's so cute and little" thing I have that really works well with a lot of girls ... but I think 5'10'' might be just slightly better in terms of getting noticed in a crowd than my current height. Anything over that and gymnastic stuff becomes too difficult, for short guys it's easy with a little practice, and coordination also seems more natural.

>Never in a trillion years would I trade what I have been given as a man with the weak, insecure, mewling fear that dominates a woman's existence, where the lowest common denominator of prudent thinking is that if you want something done right you have to get the most competent man to do it.

OUR GUY OUR GUY OUR GUY

>makeout: 18
hj: 19
bj: 23
sex: 23

THERE IS HOPE

>https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147340463&p=932495263&viewfull=1#post932495263
>marc is a trapposter

WHAT IS EVEN REALITY

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>>9688363
good taste desu

>>9688363
>>9688370
>I actually prefer big ass and no tits - it looks nice and athletic if done right without being scrawny. Never cared for breasts too much anyway - so ass and no to medium tits is a my woman of choice.
makes sense lmao

>>Some girls are very violent in bed and I well imagine there is a primal desire to be raped at some level and made to feel physicaly unable to resist.

this guy is a goldmine

>I tend to like somewhat lax Catholics because there are all the wonderful icons and the shame of promiscuity in the back of their minds, but they aren't fundamental and annoying about scripture and all this nonsense, it's just a ritual, and in some (I am thinking Mexican/New orleans) cultures its more like a voodoo cult - light a candle at the altar and pray for good/bad things, but really have little understanding of it beyond superstition. That's the best, fundamental Christianity can get odious but at its core, love one another as I have loved you, love your neighbor as yourself are GREAT rules to live by and make the core tenet of Christianity a beautiful way to live.

FOR SHAME!!! WHAT WOULD GENE SAY?

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>https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145283751&p=892087001&viewfull=1#post892087001
>tfw

>>9683063
Wizard Knight is by far the best and deepest Wolfe novel, far surpassing his everything else. I want a real critical work on Wizard Knight...

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>She invited me to meet her in Vegas on June 14th, the day I am flying out to meet up with my long distance girlfriend (who my wife knew but doesn't "know" about because she would certainly instantly "get" the way that we hooked up while I was still married to my wife)
>tfw your catholic heroes turn out to frauds

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>I really can't stand a lesser individual who has accomplished nothing in life rejecting me - I find it disgusting and morally outrageous.

RODGER TERRITORY

story about your ex-wife and the circus is nuts though. what a life, man.

Can someone give me a short summary of who OP is and why he's so famous? I'm a bit lost.

>Not all women are irresponsible and worthless and looking for someone to take care of them and spend money on them. Just 99+%.

kek

>>9688477
he sucks genre wolfe cock really really hard, and sometimes people are impressed by that. no discernible talent in his own right.

>Yet inside me is a fascist - when kids talk about legalizing drugs, I want to illegalize everything, cigarettes and alcohol. When people talk about how homosexuals deserve the same tax breaks for marriage, I want to take away the tax break from straight marriages and see how much they still want to get married. So inside I just want people to be controlled and suffer and be at the mercy of my infinite judgment, but in real life, it is always my instinct to pity when there should be none.

marc if you're scrambling to delete your profile or something, relax, just havin' a laugh

>>9688514
>I want to take away the tax break from straight marriages and see how much they still want to get married.
Newsflash, tax breaks for marriage is a thing only in America. In the rest of the world marriage is usually a net financial negative.

>>9688532
yes and alcohol is already illegal in some countries, obviously he's writing from the perspective of the laws of his country. are you retarded?

>https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144790391&p=881504461&viewfull=1#post881504461

damn marc you used to be kinda bitchmade

>https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144746621&p=880622851&viewfull=1#post880622851

rating and posting your nieces is pretty scummy marc. and you were already mid-30s then tsk tsk.

>>9688538
>are you retarded?
Are you? The 'see how much they still want to get married' experiment has already been done with conclusive results.

>>9688558
holy shit, i mean i talk shit on aramini and all, but doxxing the guy is a bit much eh? who cares, he's just a fag, doesn't have to get personal.

>>9688578
it's hardly doxing when he posts his real name and the name of his bb.com profile on his youtube channel.

i don't mean any harm, it's just a hoot going through his old posts.

>>9688432
no catholic ever has ever been a perfect catholic. especially augustine, who who early on led a similar sinful life. it all really depends on how one leads their life after doing wrong.

if aramini has no shame about that part of his life, he's a douche and needs to kill himself. if he's not, and made amends for it, there's ultimately no problem.

Tldr

>>9688597
it does kind of confirm my suspicions about the guy, i'll admit, and he did put his shit out there, seems almost intellectually dishonest. should outthink the faggot rather than discuss his uh, untoward sexual practices and manlet status.

>>9688613
i'm not hating on his scholarship at all, i'm just tickled pink by this shit

what am i doin defending a former tripfag, you're right, this shit is hilarious.

>>9688613
posting his ridiculous behavior in the past is outthinking him.

>>9688578
> ""doxxing""
Kill yourself, you tard.

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>https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141007751&p=806987441&viewfull=1#post806987441

> I have some cuban heel dress shoes that make me 5'10'' in emergencies

kek

KEK

this is Peak Manlet

>>9682307
Based OP.
Was it you who talked to me about the Soldier series some weeks ago in the fiction thread?
We talked about the outcome of the race and the slaughter of the Spartan slaves.

marc do you really think i didn't archive all this? just gonna delete everything and ghost your own thread?

Well hell ... who would have ever thought i would be "famous" enough to dig up stuff on? I was a pussy, got wise, and now have more than suffered and repented in all kinds of ways.

>>9688692
Yes i believe so.

>>9688706
No there's no sense in denying who I was. Did anybody see the 9/11 story?

And karma caught up with me in a huge way. Lost the job I loved, second wife grew a huge ovarian tumor that was cancerous, etc.

>>9688709
haha i really liked your little series on wolfe. didn't take any digging when you post the profile name in your youtube comment section. >>9688720
where you got limp dick with the girl who looked like an addams family character?

how are you different now? i don't think anyone actually objects to most of it really, most young men think those sorts of things. it's just fascinating what you revealed on a bodybuilding forum of all places.

>>9688754
Yes and the whole towers falling on the day i kind of lost my virginity. My mouth has always been too big.

That tumor grew 25 pounds in 2 weeks

>>9688769
how is she now?

>>9688753
You know that you can't (assuming it was you) compare yourself to st. Augustine because the 'second wife' just means adulterous union and life in the state of mortal sin where you cannot have confession or communion and are considered hellbound?

How can the same person be smart enough to write this essay and at the same time be stupid enough to share extremely personal details online?
OP what are you doing?

>>9688772
Her health is ruined. She is back at work, but no energy, cyst on the other ovary, hypermobilism. Some days are good but it hasn't been fun. Gonna have to get that other one removed soon.

test

>>9688774
I didnt compare myself to augustine.

>>9688775
The problem of the abstract genius : doesnt make good life decisions but sure is good at tests.

Does this touch on the third book?

>>9688784
That was someone else then.
Also hope your wife gets better. At least she's not in mortal danger anymore.

>>9688788
No. Only the first two with very small clarifying references (red and white paste if seven lions is war paint - no big deal)

>>9688789
Thanks

>>9688795
Why not?
Is it worth reading?

>>9688779
how good is her doctor and do you have someone close to you who can assess a doctor's competence well or who has connections in the medical community? i know your mother was a doctor but a military one and a pediatrician? not always that person.

someone close to me has had similar problems and the right gynecological oncologist made all the difference (someone different from the highly qualified and recommended doctor first seen).

>>9688800
Thats for volume 3 ... wanted to stick to 2001 and before for volume 2. Yes it is good. Not quite the same but good.

>>9688802
My mom is notorious for underestimating our problems because of the hypochondriacs she had to cater to. The operation was done in a big city but here there aren't that many options. As long as they are monitoring the cancer levels I feel okay about it. Thanks for the input- sorry to hear about your issues, i really wouldnt wish this on anybody. Cancer, chemo, recovery - huge mess.

Not gonna lie some of the elliot rodger stuff reminded me of a few adolescent attitudes I had, but I wasn't so bent on hurting others and sex obsessed. I grew up (eventually).

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aww he wore his wolf shirt when he met you too

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>ten years ago I taught biology and life science at a high school. the life science class was full of remedial students. One belligerent fellow in a particularly bad class said, "We aren't descended from apes." I told him to turn around, kids were playing with the water pipes trying to twist them off, throwing cookies at each other and at the walls, making weird primal noises, and I said, "You're sure?" If Darwin hadn't come up with it already, that class would have quite convinced me.

>>9688865
Yep he always wears it. He is a truly great man. If you must have a role model or hero, have him.

>>9688884
>Marc is not the Catholic hero you wanted him to like Wolfe is
Why live

>>9688888
can't argue with those digits

>>9688893
God can being forth greatness from apes if he so desires.

>>9688906
You kinda have the whole Adam and Eve dogmatically historical persons problem.

>>9688884
Wtf? He believes in God and sees no problem with Darwin. How is he an edgy fedora?

>>9688907
Adam and Eve taken literally isn't uniform across Christians. Are you still in high school?

>In the final scenes of *Soldier of Arete*, three women vie for Latro’s attention: Hippostizein, impersonating the dead Pharetra and whose name supposedly means “trooper;” Anysia, a dancer associated with daggers; and Io. Since Pharetra means “bow-case,” we are left with images of a bow, a dagger, and (in Argive) the moon: the three symbols of different aspects of the Triple Goddess - Artemis, Hecate, and
Selene, respectively.
>During the Achaemenid Persian era, which lasted from 550-330 B.C., the only representation of Ahura Mazda was found in the custom of every emperor to keep an empty chariot drawn by white horses, so that Ahura Mazda could accompany the Persian army in war. Before Latro takes back the white Horses of the Sun in *Soldier of Arete*, the Great Mother invites him to stand upon a silver chariot, and he acknowledges that he has ridden such a vehicle before
good finds OP
If I recall correctly Latro convenietly stumbles into an armory just before facing Thamyris and the boar. Is this divine intervention or symbolic?

>>9688907
The last few popes have been outspoken in their favor of Evolution, and the head of the Vatican's observatory even went as far to say that creationism is a kind of paganism.

>>9688907
I take the first 11 chapters of genesis as metaphor, true in spirit without needing to be literal. Pretty sure this is a common thing among those who are not scriptura sola. I call myself Catholic; tears poured from my eyes as i typed the prayer of st francis above, but one cannot have taught high school without knowing in one's soul that they are smelly chimps.

>>9688917
the fedora is for the lofty tone and subject matter together.
>One belligerent fellow
>If Darwin hadn't come up with it already, that class would have quite convinced me
it just waves the fedora in your face like slim pickens in dr. strangelove. i don't object to evolution or anything.

There's a typo at the end of the paragraph starting from line 155.
>slain by a bore in Arcadia

>>9688936
If you think it's fine to call him a fedora, you won't mind me thinking you have an old score to settle with previous teachers.

The style was bookish but the comedy wasn't wrong.

what do you think of floyd vs conor? you apparently used to have quite a man-crush on pretty boy floyd.

also i watched some of your sparring footage and while you're in great shape and athletic, your boxing looked really bad for someone so into it and with solid ammy experience. lot of arm punches thrown while hopping around and off balance and crazy exaggerated head movement.

>>9688922
I think all of latro's actions are "divine intervention" - it is revealed sometimes the boar zalmoxis is a bear, and the huntress's hounds are always baying after him. In "the old woman whose rolling pin is the sun," wolfe's shor about constellations, the hounds of the hunter in the sky chase a bear while the sun approaches its nadir at the winter solstice. The goat with a child on its back scares them into releasing the sun (christ at the point of capricorn during the winter solstice.) In his dream at the end, the faun tells him "i bring you" - in latro's memory palace the winged lion and the winged ox or bull are signs of st mark and st luke. This is a preparation for the gospel story, a trial run.

>>9688960
lmao what are you the fedora police, so suck an egg

>>9688917
It's a formal, binding, explicit dogma for Catholics. One cannot be a Catholic and hold they are not real, historical persons, unless out of ignorance.

>>9688978
how can adam and eve be considered historical persons when they predate history?

>>9688959
Thanks - those are the kinds i am prone to. Appreciate it... i expect far more at the end, which i havent gone over as many times

>>9688924
If by "the last few popes" you mean JPII yes, but not Benedict (who thought it was nonsense) or Pius XII. It's a complex problem, but it's very hard, if not impossible to reconcile certain elements of the theory and the dogma. Adam and Eve are necessary historical persons who sinned and caused it to enter the world (for Catholics), but the rest is (and really has been for a long time) taken to be at least largely metaphorical.

>>9688972
I relied on physicality a bit, i should put up some stuff now with just technical things. Remember i fought from like 19-22 and then just fooled around again at the end of my 20s at smokers, not serious competition. Connor is going to get ass raped in a boxing match. He would beat me, let's put it that way. Floyd must have agreed to take it easy on him.

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>>9689008
>Connor is going to get ass raped in a boxing match
kek i love how as soon as it turns to combat sports you just sound like your average fight fan. igor bless.

>>9688972
I wanted to be pacquiao. The problem with idolizing unorthodox styles.

Does Wolfe believe in the historical person Jesus Christ?
With all the Christ-like qualities he finds in Pagan tradition it seems like Christ is just the logical religious conclusion of older traditions.

>>9689055
I think from his point of view all of that pagan similarity is portent pointing to the historical inescapability of christ.

>>9689065
are those even actually different ideas though?

>>9689083
Maybe not, except I think the historicity of the person of Christ is a necessity in the verbiage I used, implying Wolfe would believe because all signs point to him, forwards and backwards in time, ripples from a stone thrown into the water.

>>9689083
Wolfe being Catholic likely believes in the doctrine that Jesus was the real Slim Shady and all the other Slim Shadies are just imitating.

The wording was vague, but they're different beliefs.

>>9689055
Prophecies.

>>9689118
I think this is a profound and true statement in terms philistines of the modern era can understand. Thank you.

>>9689118
>>9689098


that doesn't actually refute the idea though. just because christ was "for real" doesn't mean preceding mythic truths weren't necessary for his appearance. just like the old testament was necessary. i think christ being the religious conclusion of older traditions only strengthens the case of Christ's historicity. stories call things into being all the time, that's what they're there for, especially religious stories. christ being an embodied human being existing in history is a departure sure, but that's why he's the culmination and not just another stop on the road.

At line 750 now.
Going to bed and reading the rest tomorrow.

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>I guess the most unmitigated joyful moment of my life was when my favorite author Gene Wolfe told me the great unifying secret of his cryptic New Sun/Long Sun/ Short Sun books, but nobody who is a fan of those books believes me anyway.

spill the beans RITE NAO

>>9689222
Thanks for reading. I am adding the prayer of st francis to definitely indicate artemis is purified by losing, and info about the roman god faunus and the role of fish /goat capricorn as harbinger of christ in regards to the winter solstice in my final final draft, explaining why the faun tells latro, i bring you.

>Watch the Gonzaga/Brian Schwabb fight
ahaha /heem/ would love you

>tfw i could heem every here

>>9682377
bumping so aramini follows through
don't listen to the haters man, live large my dude

marc can you link us to that short story you got published?

>don't talk to me or my sparring partner ever again

>>9688884
>I told him to turn around
BASED
A
S
E
D

Is teaching really that shit? I'm a failure at everything so there's a very good chance that I'll end up working in a shitty high school.

>>9689807
I was very young when I taught high school but it was awful.

I do think kids are slightly more docile now thanks to phones - I was teaching people only 6 or 7 years younger than me then. The worst was when one overweight juggalo got upset at his peers and yelled out, If I was you guys I'd start worrying about Columbine. I was like ... shit ... if I don't do anything and something happens, this is bad ... if I do, this kid is screwed. (That was a recent event then). Luckily some dumb girl in the front with a big smile on her face said, "WHAT'S COLUMBINE?" and we all started laughing, even the juggalo. I was always really nice to those kids but I would make snide jokes; when I taught about the sessile life cycle of the cnidarian polyp I would say: it enters a motionless stage in its life cycle where it sits on the ocean floor waiting for food and semen to come by ... kind of like your moms.

>>9689796
I think Tor has the rights or I would. If I can find the doc file and you can find my email I will send it. It is in the Gene Wolfe Tribute Anthology.

>>9689773
Okay let me wait till the wife goes to sleep in half an hour so she isn't like, what the hell are you doing.

>>9689271
Basically I sent him my theories on plant hybridizing with animal and time travel allowing Blue and Green to be Ushas and Lune, and he corrected me on one thing, which is pretty major. It wouldn't be fair to authoritatively claim all of my insights are necessarily true, but the fallout of this on the Urth List made it into one of the last chapters of the Wizard Knight when Sir Marc throws stones to antagonize the bad guys and starts the final battle.

>>9689214
Jesus's appearance was not dependent on lesser forms to legitimize himself. I'm not sure what you mean by necessary, because God isn't dependent on anything.

>>9689271
>>9689864
Sounds dumb. Why should I care about the specifics about what ties a particular author's mythos, when there are already dozens of authors who do this, several theories of cosmology, and a handful of the philosophies of the world?

>>9689889
you sound dumb

>>9689831
>The worst was when one overweight juggalo got upset at his peers and yelled out, If I was you guys I'd start worrying about Columbine
That's hilarious but at the same time horrible.

Your mentioning Tor has gotten me thinking, how's publishing going on your next Wolfe book? Is it still done by those Castilia House guys? How's working with them turning out? Are they professional? Lots of odd news surrounding that crowd.

>>9689895
Give me a reason why I should care about a single author's puzzles, when there are pragmatically useful quandaries like the higgs boson (something neither me or Wolfe are smart enough to solve) to care about.

>>9689906
First off there are several things you should realize about this project: it will never sell. I think it sold maybe 120 copies, and even though the hardback has been a long time in coming, it is coming. This is a project that will lose money for them, and I get 50 percent of all profits, a hardback run, an editor, full control of the cover art, and final say in editorial changes. I am also a year behind on submitting volume 2 according to my contract, and they told me take the time to do it right. So ... working with them is awesome - I won't make them money; they are doing this project because it is something they think is ideologically worthwhile. I do not share all of their political views, but with no length restrictions, no real deadlines, and full editorial and cover control, I can't complain. I would have pushed them on the hardback release if I had been able to submit this sooner. I read through half of the volume 2 since I finished the Latro essay for typos and will re-read that one last ... this one is going to be infinitely superior to volume 1 in both writing and in its freedom from errors. All the hugo stuff, even the year before i was nominated, occurred after I had already signed a contract, and I saw how the rabble employed the genetic fallacy to disregard my work. If they want to live their lives in ignorant darkness, let them. The encyclopedia of SF lists stuff like Borksi and leaves my works off - that's all you need to know about their integrity and commitment to quality academic work being done on Wolfe.

>>9689941
if you don't care about puzzles then Wolfe isn't for you, nor is Nabokov, Joyce, Faulkner, or Beckett.

>>9689948
Damn, these guys must really like you. Is the entire publishing house run by Wolfe fans? And I'm not accusing you of being in on that stupid Puppy thing, I'm just curious about this publishing house which has managed to stir up so much controversy. And only 120 copies? I knew this was a niche project but I didn't think it'd be that low. I'm almost 1% of your paying audience.

Best of luck getting part 2 out. I'll definitely be buying it.

>>9689951
If you think Wolfe or any other author's puzzles are in any way more significant than the cheesy masturbation of a nerd with too much time on his hands, then you're probably too much of a brainlet faggot to study worthwhile research subjects that require actual mental rigor, like maths, physics, or astronomy.

Pseuds like you, who suck on the incestuous vomit that your authors heave on you, have absolutely nothing worth being proud about.

>>9689962
I think the hardback will sell more. Thanks - I am going to try to get it submitted within the week - I have gone over it with a fine tooth comb (not this Latro essay, yet) - I want my editor to be able to read through it and get it out as fast as possible. I think there are maybe two areas where editorial input is necessary (the extensive use of T.H. White's source material in "How the Bishop Sailed to Inniskeen" and the Huysman references in "The Friendship Light" - I feel like something could be cut, but I can't decide what without losing some slight variation in connotation.)

>>9689979
Why are you wasting your time on a lit board? This is what people like brian boyd get famous for.

>>9689979
I believe in beautiful art. Shakespeare, Proust, Laurence Sterne, Lafferty, Zelazny, Wolfe, Dostoevsky - these are artists of the human condition, each with their own eccentricities and stylistic uniqueness. It so happens that I think Wolfe the greatest of these, and a great man to boot. You see, his work moved me when I was a child and I thought no one on earth could think as I did. Art can be many things to people - a friend, an inspiration, hope, a new thought, a point of view that they never would have imagined left to their own devices, a sublime observation approaching what might be a Truth ... or, you can take your philistine, materialistic philosophy and be as basic as you want to be. One man's bricolage is another man's engineering. I have a degree in biochemistry, and that lab shit sucks. mind numbing, spirit killing, robotic, besides, lab coats aren't really my style.

>>9689773
okay let's see if this works. I did about 20 or so quickly on my phone, so it is dark, then converted to webM. I didn't want to waste too much time on it until I figured it out.
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>>9690100
No timestamp. Now post sharpie in the pooper so that we can be sure.

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>>9690109
Me about to flush a big turd with a sharpie

>>9690125
vicious

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>>9690125
bantz!

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>>9690100
>marc amarini's still GOT IT, and DAMN he looks like THAT

>>9690194
That was one of those scenes where you knew she was old, a little mannish in the face, but then again ... who cares?

>gf got me an original copy of Castle of the Otter for my bday one year
>Tfw I stopped writing because Gene to me stop if I wasnt the kind of person who couldn't stop writing

I love you Gene

>>9690100
based

Sparta did nothing wrong

>>9690700
Yeah and you're just a laconophile.

>>9690735
So were the Romans

>>9690735
butthurt

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>>9690745
>>9690748

>>9690749
not a good argument

>>9690749
t. Athenian
the real reason they wilted was the failing of the rhetra to account for men like Lysander and Pausanius, and the fact that the rhetra was not truly observed during their periods

>>9690749
I might put this in the writeup. Thanks!

>>9690772
Aristotle wasn't Athenian.

>>9690969
no-one cares about stagira

Hey Marc what are some of the authors that Gene Wolfe likes? I'd like to know about some of his tastes.

>>9691223
I'm not Marc, R.A. Lafferty should be considered mandatory reading for Wolfe fans. Also Jack Vance, G.K Chesterton and H.G. Wells.

>>9691253
I knew about the last 3. I'll try and find some Lafferty but amazon isn't turning up much.

>>9692016
900 grandmothers is his strongest collection. There used to be an ebook online with all his short fiction but since they sold lafferty's estate that had to come down.

>>9691223
Faulkner, Borges, Chesterton, Nabokov, Dickens, Proust, Dante, Milton, C. S. Lewis, Tolkien

>>9692065
don't forget St. Thomas and Vance

>>9692065
Him liking Chesterton makes complete sense and also makes me like him less

>>9692065
>>9691253
Does anyone know if there are other SF/fantasy writers like Wolfe? Or writers in that genre that he approves/likes.

>>9692994
The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers might be of interest to you.

>>9693035
Cool I'll look into that. Anyone have any other recs?

>>9692721
why?

>>9692994
Ursula le Guin. But boy if you struggled even slightly with Wolfe, she might not be for you. The Left Hand of Darkness was a truly difficult read.

>>9693821
Cmon son wolfe is a million times harder to understand fully. Left hand of darkness was just a little dull.

>>9693826
Wolfe is quite probably harder to understand, but certainly not easier to read, which was my original claim.

>>9693842
Fair enough. I like zelazny's short fiction, cordwainer smith, the short stories of Theodore sturgeon. There's a large swathe of Wolfe's career where he is riffing on classical poetry and myths.

>>9693821

>The Left Hand of Darkness was a truly difficult read.

Is this bait? I mean, granted it's an infuriatingly boring book that beats the shit out of a topic that maybe warrants five pages of interest, but holy fuck if anyone is making it out to be difficult. Just about the only similarity is the first person narrative, and yet where Le Ruin demonstrates affinity with the talentless hacks most associated with the style, Wolfe actually justifies the usage.

>>9693891
Seems like you just didn't like it.