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So, okay: Severian eats Thecla's cooked corpse with the

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So, okay: Severian eats Thecla's cooked corpse with the gland of the alzabo, which allows him access to her memories, and this is what basically makes him HER, in a metaphysical/supernatural sense, in a way that other people can detect throughout the rest of the story.

But Vodalis, and that other chick, and everyone else in the secret dinner ate from Thecla and took the alzabo's gland too, and from our glimpses of them going forward they don't seem to have been affected by it in nearly the same way Severian was. Is this just because Severian was destined to be the Autarch, and so there is something about him that particularly lets others live again in his spirit? Is this what the Hierodules are getting at in their focus on him?
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>>9654160
I don't think that anything is explicitly stated about this but it's implied that most of Vodalus' goons have performed the ritual at some point but from what we see of them none are affected as Severian is. The closest we see to this outside of the Autarch is the Alzabo, which seems to, at least to some small and deliberately self-deluding degree, sincerely think that it's acting in the interests of those it has already eaten.

We don't see enough of Vodalus and Thea to really say decisively that they aren't strongly affected by their consumption of Thecla but it does seem likely that all they got were memories, and if any personality got through it was only a shadow of who Thecla was, whereas Severian literally becomes her. Severian's miraculous powers resurrecting her spirit after her body was destroyed does seem plausible considering what else he can do but the behaviour of the Alzabo and the old Autarch suggest otherwise.
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>>9654160
Severian has perfect memory. Whenever someone else eats the flesh of the dead, they can access their memories just like we might. Or maybe worse. So when Vodalus captures Severian and the Autarch, Vodalus doesn't recognize who the Autarch is. Even though he should be able to, because Thecla does. Severian remembers everything, he's the computer, in his own memory and the memories of those he absorbs. Including the memories of himself from other timelines. The reason why he is the New Sun, according to the Heirodoles, is his perfect memory. When he becomes Autarch, he can access all the memories of his predecessors, exactly, but still to summon those memories requires time. That's why he doesn't go to Yesod till after his reign and writing The Book of the New Sun.
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>>9654243
>Severian has perfect memory

I thought the unreliable narrator meme meant that he didn't have perfect memory, he just sort of acts like he does.
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So was Jonas a cyborg or a machine that stole human flesh?
>>9654515
he does but he may choose to lie or misdirect
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>>9654519
Right. Thanks.
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>>9654160
Listen, it only works for severian. He thinks the claw does it, for everyone else it is temporary and incomplete, but this fool can raise the dead (wihout the claw- see his first meeting with triskele, "the smallest of those dead." No one else there can do that.) He resurrects thecla inside him
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>>9654515
His unreliability is in his passive misunderstanding of events.
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>>9654571
Triskele never died and resurrecting Thecla is a big stretch
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>>9654574
Okay, so does is he intentionally deceptive about his recollections? Or is is it all 'passive misunderstanding' as you put it? Or both?

I want to understand how accountable I should hold Severian for his mischaracterization of events.
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>>9654575
You're wrong son.
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>>9654575
Sev even outright says thecla stayed with him because she came to life inside him - it is a metaphorical resurrection but the text is clear he experiences it different than others there
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>>9654575
When he resurrects dorcas, he doesnt know he has the claw. Later, the claw is just a thorn. It was only special because it encountered his blood in the past (in urth of the new sun) As first seemed the case, it was he and not the claw, and a power he always had. What does this sentence mean? He was the smallest of those dead. Who is dead in that sentence?
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>>9654587
His "lying" is vastly overatated by people who have nothing better to talk about. Mostly he doesnt understand what is working and affecting wvents around him, but he does report things a bit circuitously.
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>>9654602
Thanks anon. This was actually my original sense of things. The lying meme really messed with my sense of the book.
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>>9654602
This. He doesn't strictly lie very often so much as he's just kind of stupid, or at least ignorant, and doesn't get what's happening a lot of the time. He describes things accurately, but you're missing the context and understanding that would make certain things make sense.

He only strictly lies a few times about a few things, like him having sex with Thecla.
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you really must read the damn essays written by Gene Wolfe to understand intricacies like this.
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>>9654575
Of course Triskele was dead. Severian finds him in a big pile of dead dogs.

Why even include it in the story, if it isn't an early intimation of Severian's powers?
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>>9654515
>Including the memories of himself from other timelines.
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>>9655122
Editors made him add a cute doggo for the inevitable Disney movie, "Castle of the Otter".
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>>9655094
The ones about engineering?
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>>9655438

Urth of the New Sun bb

Severians crawling all over dat starship
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>>9654515
He thinks he does. It's also not the same one writing all parts of the books.
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>>9656613
I think one of severian's lies is that there are multiple severians and timelines - that he just doesn't get how else he could be Apu Punchau and the conciliator at the conclusion of Citadel so he makes up these other alternative versions, and that each of these eidolons is still Severian because the soul is the permanent and immortal center of being and not the physical body that dies. ... However, maybe those eidolons started when he "nearly" drowned in the Gyoll at the start, thus explaining the skull he finds at the end of Urth. But a copy in this case is still the same being, as the soul is beyond the laws of the physical.
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>that time Serverian fucked Joletna on a rowboat and made Dorcas cry
what a slayer
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>>9656890
Dorcas did it first.
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why do he can raise the dead, anyway?
>>9656890
that always gets me i imagine dorcas sobbing in the river while everyone else eats eggs for some reason
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>>9656890
I got a raging hard-on from that part. Like, she's just laying there, so fat and ripe and fertile, and he just fucking pumps her. Doesn't the book itself actually use the word "pump," or something equally evocative? It was arousing.
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>>9656931
I think the it was something like "unloading my manhood into her again and again"
Big Gene knows his shit
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>>9656890
>Dr. Talks was simultaneously outraged and delighted
What did he mean by this?
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>>9656931
Between her legs was a freshly hatched chick. Barf.
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>>9656890
He reveled in her creamy amplitude, actually. So just get your mind out of the gutter, you cabbage looping Philistine.
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>>9657134
>I had poured out my manhood again and again with Jolenta in the nenuphar boat.
really makes me think
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>>9656890
>That time when Serverian fucked a young version of his grandmother
slayer indeed
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>>9657437
I'd fuck Jolenta even if I knew she was my future grandmother
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>>9657893
Dorcas is his grandmother
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>>9657976
Yeah her too
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>>9656890
>>9656931
>>9656963
>>9657052
>>9657069
>>9657134
>>9657147
>>9657437
>>9657893
>>9657976
>>9657999
>THIS is what they took from a story about the cosmic rejuvenation of humanity
kill yourselves faggots
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>>9658440
not my fault severian spends half the bloody thing talking about how he wants to fuck all the women around him
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>>9655690
Kek
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