Happiness, pleasure, joy, however you prefer it, is ALWAYS the

define pleasure

BOOM QED NERD BET U NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT

It is actually very classical/medieval to regard happiness as illusory as far as considering it attainable in lifetime. Happiness was something you get after death either religiously in terms of the afterlife or by proxy of those still living who regard your life as exemplary.

>>9650287
Wow that guy is a fucking idiot

>>9650287

Precisely pointing out a main goal, and only that, says nothing of complementary achievements also being goals (such as knowledge) and also says nothing of the means with which to accomplish said goal. It gets extra tricky with the "however you prefer it" part, because we could then conflate just about ANYTHING with being the main goal of man and you would just turn it around to claim there was always an underlying tone of happiness to it. This is absurdism turned upside down into rainbows and unicorns: it's amusing but not really refutable or questionable, therefore not very helpful to establish a synthesis.

It is also questionable whether or not some people are actually happy about pursuing their un-happiness. From the angsty teenager to the bitter and regretful old man/woman, there are examples of people who failed so much to acquire that supposed main goal, that at one point they simply decided to actively get even further away from it, perhaps as a means of consolation, so as to claim "it was impossible anyway". But would you really call that consolation a pleasure? One must imagine Sisyphus happy - but if we acknowledge there is more to his life than the rock, then our imagination seems tautological.

>>9650329
The "however you prefer it" is there because when the word "happiness" is used, everyone thinks of long-term, permanent happiness. When they think of pleasure, they think of carnal, ephemeral and physical pleasure, some sort of radical hedonism. And joy is a very vague and abstract concept. What I refer to, is a junction of the TRUE nature of all these concepts, and not what is thought of them.

There is always some underlying pleasure in pain and suffering. In the angsty teenager example, he is foolish. When pressured, he cannot even conceive for what reason he acts the way he does. His life, his way of acting is a mere self-illusion. His choices are, nevertheless, motivated by what he THINKS will bring pleasure, and what will take pain away. And the bitter, regretful old man: he is afraid, he looks at his past with immense pain. He believes he is unworthy and incapable of trying again, and tries to push the memories away since they are a source of sorrow. He is sad, and he does not chase pleasure at all; he has long forgotten what that is. But yet, he wishes to be happy again, only he knows not how to.

Not everyone truly chases pleasure, but the GOAL is always to chase it.

>>9650287
Zizek is played out.
He badly overplayed his hand, and now one can't read him without remembering what a braying pseudo-intellectual accelerationist hack he is.

>>9650287
Yes, this seems like an axiom of all human understanding. That we all seek (however circuitous the path) joy in the end, happiness, pleasure, whatever you will, what feels good for us.

However, the real answer to this is that life isn't so simple. Perhaps we may think that saying we all seek for pleasure promotes "pure individualistic hedonism" as this guy >>9650388 says but it's also a law of the universe (which you can more or less observe for yourself) that when you have undeserved and easy pleasures, you have to pay for it with suffering in the future.

And if you make yourself do something that you don't like in the immediate moment, but do it for a purpose, this ultimately leads to greater and more constant happiness in the future.

Yes, you may have realized the greatest good in human life is to seek for happiness, but should we seek for short-lived happiness now or hard-earned happiness later?

and more importantly, will you be able to keep this happiness, or will any passing event and disturbance affect your weak will so much that you will lose it?

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We can never know what to want, because, living only one life, we can neither compare it with our previous lives nor perfect it in our lives to come.

>>9650423
Think about why [,because,] is incorrect why the fuck would u write a sentence like that nigga? Sit down and reflect ffs

>>9650464
That is Michael Henry Heim's translation of Milan Kundera. He's dead now so he probably has mucho time to sit down and reflect.

>>9650464
It may not look pretty but it's not grammatically incorrect.