Does anyone else think that intellectual pretensions in art produce

Sophistication of craft has been supplanted by sophistication of theory. Just as there are very few masters of craft there are very few masters of theory. I don't really care about the people who don't 'get it'.

Absolutely. I'm not an anti-intellectual either. I support academic philosophy 100% even if it's not all great.
But lit theory is a cancer filled with delusional frauds and authentic crazies.

Sorry I am new to this board, but are fanatasy novels and sci-fi also included in /lit/?

Also what are the reasons some people like Shakespeare or authors like that that are completely outdated and are incredibly hard to understand? I am genuinely curious.

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>>9643495

>caring this much about what pseuds think

We'll never be able to keep the Walkers out. The real artists will always be outnumbered and underappreciated by the ones who are good at faking it and bad at understanding it. Why do you think pic related, and his inexpressible inbent fractals of genius, is so wildly popular over at reddit?

But the real gets recognized, too. Just as surely. Don't worry about the ones who don't deserve it.

>>9643495
I actually almost fell into this thought myself.
I took a lit class in college and it completely ruined all of my writing. Instead of trying to write an interesting story, I became obsessed with the right symbols to use to make a good political point, and just lost the ability to tell a story without being autistic about the point the novel (that's literally just notes in my notebook at this point) is trying to make. After a while, I just gave up on writing altogether. It's been a good few months since I gave up, and now I'm just writing a story that I enjoy.

tl;dr: Just write for fun.

let me guess you're that militarism publishing complex faggot

>>9644590
If he were, he'd also bitch about not being able to quit coffee and how seeing cute girls upsets him

>>9643495
Gravity's Rainbow is a fun and funny book. And there's nothing wrong with post hoc trendspotting, especially when those trends will continue to show up in stories written in the future (and they will). Like, some people take it too seriously, but understanding the symbolism in a book can help you enjoy it as well.

>>9643495
I think all this pretentious and intellectual writing is to find new things and to find new horizons while it does look pseudo or meaningless to a lot of people but its kinda experimental and when these so called pseudo intellectual topics do get developed in their way some beautiful thing does come out.
But on a lot of the times i do agree with you, but its also possible that the fun other people who are getting from writing and reading something, its actually genuine and you are just not getting it.

your use of pepe invalids any idiot arguments of yours which i did not read

>>9645481
You browse /lit/, get off your high horse.

>>9643495
Lots of big words here, you must be mid 30's working in a library.
Can you tell me a synonym for self-talk, because google apparently can't.
Monologist doesn't count .

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>>9646489
>tries to complain about the pretentiousness of literary analysis
>uses pretentious language

>>9646503
fuck man i wish i could speak klingon or whatever the fuck it is that shit was

>la programming student please halp self-talk monologist

>>9643495
I blame Kant.

>>9646503
seriously im writing an essay and the best word i can come up with is monologist but the definition doesn't make sense

>>9646559
am srs rite now am programming student
and my english vocabulary is limited to words most commoonly used in pornography

>>9646567
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>>9646571
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>>9644507
>Shakespeare or authors like that that are completely outdated and are incredibly hard to understand

wew

>>9646578
>>9646571

A+ thesis for any essay

>>9643495

I'd disagree, maybe in postmodern times yes, but one example where art and theory went hand in hand was german idealism, which was not only a philosophical movement but also an artistic movement (hence idealists like Schelling, Kant and Hegel wrote so much on aesthetics) and the art produced within this period is quite excellent
(In fact idealism was a poetic movement even before Kant)

>>9644507
Shakespeare just has some old language in it. The content isn't outdated.

>>9644507

>Shakespeare or authors like that that are completely outdated and are incredibly hard to understand

You need to be 18 to be here.

>>9644507
Two households, both alike in dignity
(In fair Verona, where we lay our scene),
From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean.
From forth the fatal loins of these two foes
A pair of star-crossed lovers take their life,
Whose misadventured piteous overthrows
Doth with their death bury their parents' strife.
The fearful passage of their death-marked love
And the continuance of their parents' rage,
Which, but their children’s end, naught could remove,
Is now the two hours' traffic of our stage—
The which, if you with patient ears attend,
What here shall miss, our toil shall strive to mend.

I don't see any outdated English words.

>>9647940
Except 'doth'