Everyone besides the girl is a total asshole to him. He literally

>what is an unreliable narrator

>>9641726
>lol he just made up what they said and their actions

>>9641726
>>9641743
And besides that, he sees everything for exactly what it is. If anything, NFtU's narrator is the only sensible Dostoevsky character.

>>9641754
Porfiry seemed to have his wits about him desu

>>9641743
Sure, it's not like people interpret and re-tell other's actions towards them differently than an outside observer would, especially when it comes to being in the right or wrong. Just look at /r9k/, all those frogposters complaining about how life's hard on them, every single one of them is justified and totally tells you 100% of the truth.

>>9641794
You're so fucking stupid and condescending. The parts that are unreliable are his worries like that everyone sees the stain on his pants or the military man who picked him up was intentionally a bully. I'm talking about the real events such as them not telling him the dinner was moved back an hour or his landlord staring at him instead of just asking for money like a normal human being. It's like The Idiot, it's not the protagonist's fault, it's the society he lives in.

>>9641720
existence precedes essence

>>9641855
>I'm talking about the real events such as them not telling him the dinner was moved back an hour
To be fair though, he was trying too hard to be friends with people that didn't quite like him. I read it a very long time ago, but it seems to me that it's suggested that, yes, while his friends are being assholes to him, they may have decided to ostracize him and not be friends with him anymore because he had a very subtly pretentious personality which wasn't likable for them. And of course, narrating the story himself, he wouldn't be able to notice this pretentiousness of his and pick up on it.

I think the point is that even though people are assholes to him, he's failing to be a good man by responding with bitterness, hatred, and wallowing with self-pity. If he was truly good, he would respond with benevolence even to those who hated and mocked him. He thinks his problem, as he tells Lizaveta, is that "They won't let him be good", but really, he's the one not letting himself be good

They were assholes to him but he's a worse piece of shit. Paranoid, delusional, bitter, self-pitying, weak, and hateful.

I'll never understand why r9k hasn't made this book their Bible or something

>>9641984
>>9642102
These

>>9642102
rodya had oneitis

>>9642310
Rodyon is from Crime and Punishment dumbass

>>9641984
Except he's absolutely right about everything. The only reason Dostoevsky wasn't the narrator himself was because he dearly held to his religion.

>>9642102
Everyone who isn't "normal" is r9k. That's great.

>>9641720
The girl was nice to him because she's a prostitute.

>>9642506
Did you just skip the ending or something?

>>9642517
Yea she only went to his appartment because she sought a betabux provider, only an idiot wouldn't understand it.

>>9641720

Dude... "a good dude is driven to depression after being slowly whithered by ill treatment from people he encounters" is seriously your gloss?

>>9642604
Actually that's the mindset of the narrator, which is why he thinks she's going to leave and is so embarrassed by his poverty, yet she stays and consoles him after he has a mental breakdown and tells her he has no money and only monologued to her to egotrip. Even after this, he still gives her money to mock her, which she then throws on the table.

I suggest ignoring literature, since it's clear you have trouble interpreting without integrating it into your ideological beliefs. Notes From The Underground is pretty straightforward, I wince to think all you miss in Borgesian stories, Shakespeare, or poetry.

>>9642642
I don't follow.

Expect Note From The Underground to make me sad, or at least a little sentimental as descriptions had implied it should. However, it made me reflect a little on how acting like a sour, ranting and bitter man is not only embarrasing and detestable, but horribly weak. I hate the protagonist of NftU really. He thought he was making grand points about society as a whole, but really only was making these points about the people he surrounded hinself with who were only a subsection of society that didn't agree with him.

>>9642668
>not undestanding that the girl was just virtue signaling to make herself feel better and have the moral highground,
Not only that, if you weren't retarded, you would know that the underground man went to the whore house from time to time, so why would she try to insult one of her future customers?

Fucking brainlets

>>9642668

What do you think was the point of this novel?

>>9642686
Anyone who has real cognition, a real depth to their understanding of the fundamentals of reality, is nothing, because their reality is constantly shifting or better states: a blackhole. The narrator was right. Give me your beliefs and I'd make you look the fool. Any reasonable person is essentially schizophrenic in our age. That's the great irony, that a sane person has to become insane. You think Dostoevsky is so distant from the beliefs of the narrator? You think he was trying to mock the narrator? Let me remind you Notes From The Underground was originally going to be written solely as a critique of socialism, a belief Fyodor held himself. Only later did he develop it into its final form.

>horribly weak
Where do you think your strengths going to get you?

>>9642716
>people like this exist in on my boardie
When will brainlets fucking leave already.

>>9642698
Not realizing you use degrading words to make yourself seem more intelligent than me, Dad. It makes your self worth boosted knowing some random you'll never know is dumber than you, because your phallic mindset has to conquer everything, of course you probably conquer little which is why you set out arguing against me when all of this means very little to you.
>>9642702
To illustrate a type of person which is created by modes of thought in the post-religious industrial society (Not only that, but the narrator clearly holds beliefs which would become staples to Freudian materialists later). And further, to critique it from an external point of view. There's actually a lot of comedy in the story through how absurd some of his actions are. However, Dostoevsky lived in 19th century Russia, and held onto religion. If you seriously ponder, how do you think a Fyodor Dostoevsky would fare in 21st century USA?

>>9642734
Not an argument.

>>9642756
>wah wah someone insulted me while making a true statement and argument, so I'll ignore everything he said by falsely calling him out on using an ad hominem, while using an ad hominem myself
Wow, so that's the power of brainlets.

>As far as I myself am concerned, I have merely carried to an extreme in my life what you have not dared to carry even halfway, and, what's more, you've taken your cowardice for good sense, and found comfort in thus deceiving yourselves.

isn't the irrationality and bad sense of the underground man the irrationality we detest in ourselves? that utopian assessments of man are blind and naive since we are really burdened, even governed by raging torrents of envy and conceitedness and resentment? that this is the real fruit of egoism?

>>9642763
Yeah, you fucking moron, you think she thinks he's going to come back to her after he breaks down in front of her and tells her how pathetic he is (I'm pretty sure he literally calls himself pathetic). You think she's expecting him to pay her and fuck her right in his shitty apartment? Moral high ground? What the fuck does that mean you stupid cunt, everyone who does anything could in that sense is just desperately Be striving for the moral high ground as if it's some Frued power dynamics so in that case shes completely innocent because everyone is doing the exact same thing in a different form Holy shit I thought I wouldn't need to explain this but I do you fucking fat faggot why don't you go drown yourself in your toilet

>>9642778
That are some rustled jimmies right here.
It's alright that you don't understand notes from the undergroud, it might be a bit difficult for a brainlet english student such as yourself. I suggest easier books like the little prince and harry potter.

Cheers.

>>9642793
I made you the fool so act like it
I just made everything you said sound so stupid yet you continue to act like you just told me off and that makes me so angry i can't even describe it
you refused to even acknowledge what I said
you're words have serious consequences which you can't even grasp

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>>9642813
Dude, I hope you're kidding, you write like a 16 years old. Not only that but your whole way of thinking is comparable to a brainlet's one. If you can't understand why I'm intellectually and morally superior to you in this whole conversation, you're quite a hopeless brainlet.

Best regards.

>>9642831
No im serious about that
what you say has consequences

>>9642834
I hope the consequences of our cute little conversation is that you stop being a brainlet, pal.

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>>9642834
>>9642848
>ahegao to enlightenment from all this bdsm-prose
You two should form a slapstick comedy duo.
One of you may get shanked by the other after the first show, but even that'll be funny because the audience will see it coming, too.

>>9642869
you are the same person

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>>9642901
First I posted in this thread, anon, right here: >>9642869

I don't find myself funny; but you, you are a new breed of faggot.
>I think I'll dub your kind "newfag"

holy shit.mpeg
>ITT: etymology of newfag

>>9642973
>>9642978
>>9642869
>>9642848
you are the same person
don't try to trick me

Reminder that Scorsese's "Taxi Driver" is a modern day Notes from the Underground

>>9642604
weak bait

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>>9642991
no amigo

>>9643018
You, you edited this because I slept on my bed and I covered myself you make me think im not able to see that you're trying to make me hate you and others love you I'm going to cut off my fucking head

>>9641720
I sorta agree with you. Like his associates were cunts, even if the UM knew he wasn't liked and insisted on being at the party out of spite, they toyed with him instead of being honest and got pissed when he simply drunkenly bulldozed on through their bullshit.

Dostoevsky is a writer who feels for his characters. The UM isn't just a wretched person in himself but very much a product of the times and environment. He was an orphan and growing up without being loved and was treated terribly by the peers, so he learned to be spiteful and unloving himself. Dismissed by the world and ignored by the ideologies criticized in the book, he hated them both in term. The author offered human love and compassion as the way to salvation, though the UM was too far gone to accept it.
>>9641984
Chaddo literally brags about raping slaves and the sycophants kiss his ass. Notwithstanding those things about UM, he feels deep revulsion at this and at least has the balls to knock the dude down a peg.

Anyone who thinks the UM is supposed to appear particularly worse despite being almost completely ineffectual as an individual is a shallow retard. Double for anyone reading Dostoevsky and hating the weak; just don't bother, it's not for you.