>these people are millionaires and considered the greatest

>>9633176
Isn't Rowling a billionaire?

>>9633176
They're memes who will be forgotten in a few generations.

>>9633176
you just KNOW

>>9633176
How does it make you feel?

>>9633176
every generation gets what it deserves. just abandon all hope and you'll see the funny side of it

>>9633176
they're just avin a giggle m8

>>9633185
Don't pretend you wouldn't fuck Rowling

>J K Rowling would have voted for Owen Smith

Is Rowling part of the canon?
At least for historical purposes students from the future will have to read her to understand the cultural degeneration of our society.
Other than IJ I don't know what else today will make the canon.

Stephen King is a pedophile

>>9633195
>Other than IJ I don't know what else today will make the canon.
you're a fucking illiterate then

IJ definitely WON'T make the canon. we're just living a little too close to his career move to see the critical turn against his worthless posturing, but time is the great equalizer and nothing this devoid of value can stick.

I don't fucking get it, wouldn't just logging off allow you to read them again, fuck, even using the browser if you only use the twitter app.

>>9633183
so much this

>>9633183
>>9633183

>>9633195
Infinite Jest will make the meme canon and nothing else.

>>9633182
She was but donated a fairly large chunk of it to charity.

>>9633176
Authors have the same hunter-gatherer brain in their skulls that you and I do. They're privy to the same dumb beliefs and mental traps that you or I might fall into.

My own realization of this came when I visited the blog of Charles Stross, a writer I had respected up until that point. But once there, I saw how he was as a person. He was an edgy, whiny edgelord. He started discussions in his comment section, and then jumped in to berate people if they acted poorly in his eyes, swung the banhammer with glee, and constantly showing none of the courstesy he expected of others. He does not believe in manned space travel in the way a Reddit atheist does not believe in God. That is to say, he was constantly hammering on about "space cadets" as if they screamed their gospel through the streets five times a day.

Oh, and he wrote Rule 34. Fans asked him if he came here for research. Said he only lurked. Which makes him a turbofaggot, because it's not like posting here requires any sort of commitment.

It was then that I realized learning about authors is a mistake. Whatever you think of them, they're not like that.

>>9633190
THEY SHOULD NEVER MAKE FUN OF EMPEROR GOD DONALD BASED TRUMP

LORD KEK WILL NOT HAVE IT!!

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HAHA BASED FUCKING TRUMP HAHAGA PEPE PRAISE KEK HAHAHA FUCKING SJW KEKS

>>9633188
>>9633183

Fuck that made me sad, realizing how this century is vapid there will be no great music, no great literature nor great arts of any kind just cheap plastic content to be sold and discarded.

>>9633176
They are objectively more talented and intelligent than you and most other people. Why shouldn't they deserve their money and status?

>>9633233
>charity
money laundering

>>9633564
Because Rowling is a women and King is a libcuck. They are destroying the vision of my white ancestors

>>9633543
FUCK DONALD DRUMP I AM ANTIFA I AM SO COOL I WILL DO AWAY WITH THE FASCIST SEXIST HOMPHOBIC TRANSPHOBIC ISLAMOPHOBIC GARBAGE THAT HAS TAKEN OVER THE WORLD AND IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH ME I WILL DISMISS YOU I AM NOT MAKING A POLITICAL STATEMENT, TREATING PEOPLE WELL SHOULD BE A BASIC HUMAN ABILITY AND IF YOU'RE INCAPABLE OF IT YOU DESERVE TO DIE WHITE PEOPLE BETTER WATCH OUT RHEY ARE SUBHUMAN SCUM INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE LASTING DAMAGE THEY INFLICTED UPON PEOPLE OF COLOR AND OTHER DISENFRANCHISED GROUPS THROUGH THEIR WHITENESS

A Rowling King collab Trump diatribe would be lit af senpai.

>>9633176
shouldn't these people have way more interesting things to do than read and respond to the tweets of an imbecile? I guess you eventually run out of shit to do when you have so much money but good lord.

>>9633564
>objectively more intelligent

So what are their IQ's?

>>9633183

>Stephen King
>J.K. Rowling
>forgotten in a few generations

this delusion

>>9633636
I would guess somewhere in the mid 120s, maybe higher

>>9633176
they're not the greatest authors of this generation, that's retarded. they wrote children's stories.

>>9633671
So they're subjectively more intelligent, then.

>>9633673
>Stephen King
>children's stories

>>9633679
No, objectively. They've objectively achieved greater intellectual accomplishments than you could ever dream of, thus demonstrating their objectively superior intelligence.

>>9633560
You're sadness is unimaginative and wholly apart of the problem that the appreciation of good art is in today.

Ambivalence to older types of media is a stage in adoption of newer types of media. Recognise the re-emergent primacy of orality and oral culture. Adopt techniques of symbolic control and vocal signalling. Bang drum once for good value and zero times for bad value. Audiological pillaging is non-typographic gold in rerouting subconscious circuits back to The Herald. Get with The Times. Or pay for a lot less attention.

>>9633668

Their consumers already forgot.

>>9633699
>new Harry Potter movies being released
>IT, Dark Tower, and numerous more works currently turned into films

Uh, I'm sorry sweetie but their consumer base is still growing.

>become rich writing about an awkward boy with a terrible childhood
>stay on twitter and make fun of those very people

>>9633862
Harry Potter was a chad.

>>9633183
>Stephen King will only be remembered as the guy who wrote that book that that Kubrick movie was based on

>>9633862
If you don't want to be raised by a shit family, make some money and move it out you fucking welfare queen

>>9633693
But that's not objective at all.

>>9633183
Rowling won't be forgotten.

I think King will be remembered more for The Shining and it's significant place in film history than for his place in the history of Writing.

>>9633195
There are living authors who would make any canon
John Banville, Edmund White, ThomasPynchon, Richard Wilbur, etc

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>>9633668
Hi there, I'm the most popular writer of the 19th century.

>>9633915

Dickens was popular as fuck in the 19th century. Now let's look at where he stands today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books

>>9633560
The century just started

>>9633560
>no great music
>implying Kanye won't be remembered

I wish brits like Rowling would fuck off about "le drumpf xD" like as if American politics affects them. Go worry about the politics on your sad little island, nobody cares what a foreigner has to say about our politics.

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>>9633950

>"I would never want a book's autograph, I am a proud non-reader of books"

truly our guy

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>>9633950
>>9634154

gr8 posts

>>9633883

you are also completely out of your fucking mind if you think kubric in 1000 years will be put on same level as Hitchcock

>>9633950

/mu/ stop with your faggotry here

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>>9634179

>he thinks that you have to be from /mu/ to appreciate Neu Picasso

Mein gott.

>>9633195
Rowling is not part of the canon, nor will it be. She would be studied, however, on the phenomenon of globalism and its implications on culture. (Something that is already discussed by sociology right now, but hasn't made the "philosophical" jump)

>>9633560
I don't know man, 2666 was published this century.

>>9633578
I don't see how she should possibly have to do that.

>>9633668
This. The fact that pop authors are now revered as literary giants by the general public shows how little attention is/will be shown to more important (as it were) authors. The Canon will be forgotten, my friends, because academia is collapsing thanks to PC.

>>9633560
Your lack of interaction with good contemporary literature or art =/= none being created.

There are numerous threads asking if any good books have been published in the last 5 years created every month, and every month 10-20 excellent contemporary works are suggested. Not all are universally accepted as excellent, but there they are. There is a massive diverse (politically) contemporary critical movement from the New Criterion to Laphams to the NYT literary supplement to NYRB. some is identity politics on the right and left yes, but also excellent works (with two, 2666 and IJ hitting meme status immediately).

So stop reading your summer reading list and your english lit syllabi and try to read 1 contemporary novel for every 10 (classics)

>>9634249
I will argue that it's collapsing more due to media and it's focus, but whatever scape goat makes us sleep is fine too.

>>9633176
Can anyone here name a good author of the English language from the 18th century? The fact is, literature is going to have its dry spells.

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>>9633922
For every Dickens there is the best selling novel of 1910 (pic related) or the #1 best seller of the the 1910s, A Daughter of the Land by Stratton-Porter

>>9633606
I can already smell your eczema from here

>>9633560
>Le wrong generation! XDDDD
kys yourself

>>9634264
Thomas Paine and Jonathan Swift (I know he is Irish)

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>>9634249
REEEEEEEEE

There have always been top selling pop authors. Always. Fucking Schopenhauer saw it. And if you go back to top sellers from the last century, the most sold are womens novels with unrecognizable titles.

>>9633922
Out of every 10 popular authors that exist at any given time, only one (if that) has the quality (and sometimes the luck) to transcend.

People like Dickens or García Márquez, who mostly had the critics on their side while gaining massive commercial attention, are rare beasts, and should not be looked at as examples of how bestsellers seep into the canon. Rather, they're examples of a very particular kind of genius: one that can speak to the common mind without necessarily dumbing things down.

>>9633673
>Harry Potter
>children story

Harry Potter is one of the greatest political allegories. It's critique of modern day politics is the most well thought out political philosophy of all time.

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>>9634268
>>9634310
Exactly. People only bitch about the decay of quality in bestselling literature because they haven't looked at the actual lists of bestselling literature through the years. People have this idealized notion of a past where novels of the quality of Moby Dick or U.S.A. were flying off the shelves. but in reality it's not uncommon that one looks at the top 30 bestsellers for any given year without recognizing a single title.

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>>9634408
Not to mention that Moby Dick, although critically praised, was not even close to a best seller. Pic related was the top seller around 1850 until Uncle Toms Cabin.

>>9634258
Well said

>>9634425
Not that Uncle Tom's Cabin was exactly a critical hit. It struck a sensitive chord at the right time, but even then most critics pointed out its fair lot of stylistic deficiencies, including the guy who coined the term Great American Novel.

>>9633176

>the guy who wrote a book where an evil monster is defeated by children having a ganbang might kill him self if he can't figure out how to use twitter
>luckily the young adult author who changes the race, orientation, etc of characters years after publishing to fit her current agenda is there to personally copy and paste tweets to prevent the suicide

>>9634584
Actually, that would have been the casting director that made those changes there bud.

>>9633211
except for the shear amount of people that read it

>>9633176
I suspect they were both joking

>>9633176

>implying

I enjoyed Harry Potter as a youngin'. And still like to grab a King novel just for fun, in between more serious subject matter.

>>9633211
Even if DFW was posturing and his life and works have valid criticisms, it. Will still easily make the canon. The fact that the book has drawn so much criticism and praise makes it no question.

>>9634171
You are blind. Contemporarily, Hitchcock and Kubrick are virtually on the same level.

>>9633950
>popular music

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>>9633176
Things like this scare me, pic unrelated.

>>9635278
>Grimes-posting spreads out of /mu/

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>>9635280
>Grimes could write the new /lit/ approved meme

not defending JKR here (fuck her) but Trump is a degenerate piece of human garbage und you should get over it

Two of the greatest writers of our generation.

>>9633515
>rule 34
i actually have this on my ereader because it was part of a large torrent among shit like "the scarlet letter" and "jude the obscure." is it any good?

>>9634236

>Donate money to your own non-profit charity
>???
>Profit - literally

>>9633176
Why does /lit/ hate Stephen King so much? Is it that he's so successful? Or that by behaving as though you're too intelligent to be bothered with stories that are widely appreciated makes you feel smarter than others? Hasn't he referred to his own work as the literary equivalent of a big mac and fries?

>>9633560
>no great art
What is 9/11?

>>9635356
Stories are good, prose is shit.
I only read for prose.
You should only read for prose,

>>9635311
No idea. I stopped reading him before I ever got to it. My appreciation for Charles Stross didn't survive contact with Charles Stross.

>>9635086
This. Anyone who puts Hitchcock on a pedestal above Kubrick hasn't watched either Hitchcock's work, or Kubrick's, or both. In all honesty, in terms of cinematography, Kubrick is probably superior to Hitchcock. But Hitchcock's influence on Kubrick is evident. Also, Kubrick's filmography is rather eclectic, more so than Hitchcock's.

>>9633515
You hope that he reads this, don't you?

Perhaps I am the faggot himself. You will never know.

>>9633560
If you can't find the good art then you deserve what you see.

>>9634171
Hitchock is more influential (because he also influenced Kubrick). I prefer Kubrick myself, but Kubrick is also a genius and made a lot more films.

>>9633176
>reading tweets
>using Twitter

kys, you're just as bad as them

>>9635299
>>9635280
>look at me guys i know jokes from other boards!! i bet u dont lmao kek haha

>>9635314
what money would she have that needs laundering?

>>9635679
all of it?
where do you think the government gets money?

>>9633698
thanks nick

>>9635562
If I wanted him to read it, I would go to his blog, Mr. Telepath. I'd post in the comment section, and the moment I'd be banned, I'd know he read it. I post it here because I want YOU to read it.

>>9635787
Well..I wish I hadn't.

>>9635679

find one (1) millionaire/billionaire that doesn't do this.

Protip: you can't,

>>9633176
honestly if you have that much money and aren't significantly contributing to humanity's advancement (doesn't have to be scientific or technological); you need to kill yourself

>>9633578
>shitposting

>>9633176
In fairness at this point who isn't excited to see another Trump tweet, the guy is a madman

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>>9635302
I always read those kind of post...
How is he a bad person anyway? Yeah he is "funny" and just ignorant but you guys are really extreme. Its because is easy to hate?
Americans..

>>9633176
It's funny how /lit/ and the majority of 4chan overreact to some old people banter online, but backpedal whenever they get called out on their shitty humor. Never change, shitlords.

>>9635958
Leftists were just so far up their own asses that they cannot conceive that their candidate was shit and lost. So they kind of short circuit and spew idiocy about how Trump is going to be impeached because apparently it's not fair that Clinton isn't president, it was her turn!

>>9634154
he never said that

>>9633543
>>9633606
you're both shit

ironic shit posting is still shitposting

you're just lucky i've not grounded you two fucks yet

>>9635278
>>9635280
>>9635299
Fuck off back to /mu/, her music is shit and this is a literature board.

>>9633176
The female is only liked by children and women, though.

>>9633682
He writes children's stories for children with developed bodies.

>>9635356
genuinely just think his books are dull and lack meaning

>>9636002

he literally did

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>>9633515
he looks like a cuck. i NEVER read books written by cucks.

>>9633673
with hundreds of millions of dollars each. meanwhile youre on 4chan jerking your little floppy one to chinese cartoons

>>9636261
was that from the 'i express myself by thinking of new shapes for water bottles' speech? it was moving

>>9633560
Lurk more newreader

>>9633682
Manchildren.

>>9633176

What exactly is the problem here? They don't like Trump? They're overreacting? They use twitter?

>>9635958

Trump hate is only allowed to spread because he is white and successful. Lefties can't fathom the fact that a white billionaire is now the president and Obama, their lord and savior, was a real piece of shit.

>>9635958
He desn't seem to be a good president to be honest

>>9636586
Who was the last good president?

>>9634264
yeah, Laurence Sterne.

>>9636588
Polk, Nixon

others have (sensible) affinities for Coolidge, Jackson. None of the others even register. Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, TR, FDR, JFK, and Reagan are awful meme picks. Worst though are probably FDR, Wilson, and LBJ.

>>9636685

Andrew Jackson was a bigger piece of shit than Obama.

Harrison was the greatest of all time. He didn't have time to fuck anything up.

>>9636817
im not a fan of jackson (handling of the secession crisis + sympathy for amerindians) but i can understand why people like him. at least he understood due process, which is more than you can say about 99% of supreme court justices

fair point on harrison though

>>9634264
sterne, pope, swift, hume, burke, defoe.

not to mention goethe, voltaire, etc. who wrote in other languages.

the truth about it is that literature, like history and art, is best examined in retrospect. time filters genius out of the haze.

mccarthy, wallace, knaussgaard, etc. may not be on the level of joyce and melville but are nonetheless contributing to 'great literature'--whatever that means--in the present time.

>>9636856
I think that comparing writers to Joyce and Melville is absurd. They were both the greatest of their century. There are plenty of writers in the western canon that look lackluster when compared to Joyce, but that does not take away ftom their achievement. I think that Mccarthy, Pynchon and the like will definitely be canonized. Especially since there has been nothing truly groundbreaking or sublime in the past few decades.

Wasn't King a right winger or was I just reading too deeply/fooled too easily by some of his earlier works.

>>9636917
Early King was edgy as fuck. NuKing is old, fat, and rich - eager to protect his wealth. Hardly even the same person.

He already disavowed at least one of his earlier books.

>>9636904
>Mccarthy, Pynchon and the like
not even memeing mcelroy is better
mccarthy is str8 garbage

>>9634154
>>9634159
>>9633950
WALT DISNEY IS DEAD

STEVE JOBS IS DEAD

THE HEAD OF PAYLESS IS DEAD

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>>9636338
The king of /fa/ he is not.

As far as Harry Potter goes, I think it's place in history is similar to that of Pokemon. It's not some top tier intellectual artifact, it's just a cultural trend that teenagers grew up with and thus grips a soft place in their hearts.

>>9637682
like boomers and the beatles

>>9633195
>cultural degeneration
This sort of thing always makes me cringe - it's so haughty. I can hazily recall a quote of some Ancient Greek complaining about them gotdang kids these days and it's a similar thing, we've apparently been degenerating since time immemorial.
By the by, if it's cultural homogenization you're concerned about I'm afraid it's basically inevitable if the historical pattern is to be believed - it's an inexorable march towards uniformity (source: Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari btw it's a good read), and I for one, don't care. If society doesn't collapse for some reason we'll still have books and the internet to delve into why we enjoy a civilization free of hegomonic war and volatile culture-clash (maybe)

>>9633176

Why are virtually all celebrities super-liberal? I am liberal in a lot of ways too, but it's weird.

>>9633515
Dunno the guy but... 'edgy edgelord'?

>>9633560
The century is seventeen years old you dingus

>>9633515
I have this with musicians. Once I meet them IRL I can't respect them anymore.

I've met my favourite musician (at that time) multiple times and then never listened to them again out of sheer disgust for their humanity.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

>>9637730
Because that's the narrative and going against the narrative is almost always cultural, social and occasionally financial suicide. They can't afford not to follow popular opinion, it's too much of a risk otherwise.

>>9633176
Because their entire existence is dependent on keeping their jewish overlords happy.

>>9636338
cringed

>>9634264
kek picking the 18th century to make this point only reveals your ignorance

>>9636851
are you not american or is this some kind of joke? jackson trampled over the constitution regularly

You know, back in the 17th century and whatever you had what was called the Republic of Letters. What we are looking at here is the DnD-Group-Organized-by-Eight-Year-Olds-Who-Are-Eager-to-Become-Adolescents-That-Disbands-After-Two-Sessions-Because-Someone's-Mother-Thinks-the-Game-is-Satan of Letters.

>>9638856
the constitution is shit so....

>>9639074
its aright but kinda a meme

>>9636685
>Worst though are probably FDR, Wilson, and LBJ.

It's hard for me to decide what's worse. Wilson sending us to kill whites, FDR sending us to kill whites, or LBJ making the country not white. I'd probably lean towards LBJ.

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>>9633543
we can do this all day commie much more cringy faggots on your side

>tfw realize those numbers are small in relation to how many people there are in the world