Can you still enjoy a book written by someone whose views were

>>9630389
Yes. Especially God's

>>9630389
Boohoo faggot

>>9630389
Yes, Journey to the end of the night by Louis Ferdinand Celine.

>>9630389
I read Americans all the time.

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>>9630389
>racist
>wrong

Pick one

I don't think it's really up for debate that the negro is somewhere between a human and an ape. Africans are the only races to not have any Neanderthal DNA, that explains their low IQ.

if someone is racist it means his IQ is below 100 and not able to produce good literature

If I couldn't I would not be browsing 4chan

I'm an atheist, but I still like Tolkien, Tolstoy and Chesterton.

>>9630389
Yes. Better question: why would this be relevant to the text or prevent you from enjoying it?

>>9631094
if someone is racist it means he has actually spent considerable time around other races

That's why I never got into biology I figured nature displays bias

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>>9630389
Not even a /pol/ack, but it's painfully obvious.

>>9630389
yes, unless you are from /pol/ in which case no.

>>9630389
"Racism" is a natural human instinct, and a normal response to a potential outside threat. Whites who go on witch hunts for so-called racists and run around trying to pin this meaningless label on other whites - since it really only applies to whites and is used to make us fearful of losing social status so we'll be passive in the face of our own invasion - are going to be seen as the sociopaths of this age. People prefer to live around their own, and that is perfectly normal. And racism will never go away because it's a natural biological instinct. Stop being retarded.

>>9631250
this totally explains why people thought it was okay to enslave darkies

>>9630389
Yes

>>9631262
White people also enslave white people doofus
Ever heard of the sex trade in europe?

The blacks were used as slaves because cheap and good workers

>>9631262
Hyperbole.

>>9631262
white people literally ended slavery

>>9630400

This.

The niggers aren't sitting at home thinking "poor white people". You want to lift them up? They'll run roughshod over you and everything you care about. Look at the statistics, look at history, look at the news, they destroy everything.

>>9630389
Reading "the complete fiction of hp lovecraft" right now actually, its really good for the most part.

>>9631161
One of his short storys is literally "my great grandmother was a nigger and when i found out about it i burned myself alive"

my liberal teacher taught me that lovecraft was only racist while he was a shutin but once he got a older jewish gf he realized all races were equal and diversity is our strength

true??

>>9631310
He divorced her after she lost her job so i dont know about that.

>>9631315
was she his sugar momma

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>>9630389
>It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
>t. Aristotle
Only literal retards can't appreciate material simply because it disagrees with them personally somehow.

>>9630389
Racism isn't wrong, so why would it be a problem? It's a shame PC lunacy is killing the west.

>>9631262
White people didn't enslave anyone. They bought slaves from African slavers. There's an important difference. You think John Smith was hunting through the bush looking for free laborers? Are you joking? Blacks enslaved blacks.

>objectively wrong
Lots of presuppositions in this.

>>9631332
Actually, whites bought slaves from jewish merchants who bought them from African slavers.

did you just say objectively? what the fuck, die you retard

>>9631094
>Racism
Never listen to weak-minded, useful idiots like this poster who do big brother's speech policing for it by lending credibility to fake words like "racism," which merely represents a biological response everyone has and is not something we should pretend we can get rid of if we goodthink enough. Race is important, it determines nearly everything about who we are as individuals, and diversity hall monitor faggots who throw around the non-word "racism" will get the gas one not too far off day along their jewish thought masters who funnel these concepts down to them.

>>9631350
>My world view is a biological response. >It's just science

>>9630393
>>9630400
>>9630407
>>9631107
>>9631171
>>9631295
>>9631328

I never thought I'd see the day when lit was infested by your kind and not told to fuck off. Fuck off back to /pol/.

>>9631094
But I thought black people can't be racist

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>>9631377
the tolerant left/liberal rears its ugly head again

>>9631377
Nu-male cuck

>>9631377
ahahahaha what a cuck lol im so smart hahahaha cuck hahaha

>>9631332
>White people didn't enslave anyone
Is going out and catching a free person and making them a slave significantly different from making the child of a slave another slave? By all means, give me all the sophistry you can but it's pointless to quibble with the "I didn't actually CATCH the boy, I just BOUGHT him" when your condemning newborns to a life of servitude once their parents are your property.

>>9630389
>Can you still enjoy a book written by someone whose views were objectively wrong/racist?
Of course, but the work has got to stand even more on its own merit then. It's about being honest. If you like someone you might judge their work a bit more generously, and if you hate someone you might judge their work a bit more harshly. That's not always being done consciously, but it's there with most people. That said, even if you're head over heels in love with someone, if that person can't write, if you're honest you will recognize it. And someone might be a terrible person, if they're capable of making art, you should recognize it too.

>>9631379
>But I thought black people can't be racist
You're thinking about swimming. But seriously, anyone can be racist. Also, to the previous anon, racism is largely unrelated to IQ. Some pretty smart people are racist, and some dumb people are very open/tolerant. Up to a point it's normal to have preconceived notions about groups of people, since generalizations and stereotype are often based in reality, but you've got to remember that everyone is human to treat individuals as individuals and not as whatever you perceive their group to be.

>>9630389
Yes you can and in fact I think that it is important to see how the view of authors reflect the societal standards of the time. Refusing to read anything that uses the word "nigger" will cut out a huge amount of classics and well-written works, you don't need to take on the opinions and beliefs of the author you're reading but you can certainly separate it from the quality of the work and judge for yourself why they had the views that they did.

>>9631262
So you aren't aware that the original slaves, the Slavic, were and are white and were enslaved by other white people. whatever then, ignore imperialism and conquest for the entirety of human history and just yell about black slavery because that was somehow different.

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>>9630389
NO WAY! You're pulling my leg! HPL would've never used the word nigger. He usually uses something like 'men with negroid features' or 'negroes'

>>9631377
>complaining about people having unacceptable opinions on the fucking literature board, of all places

How completely lacking in self-awareness do you have to be for this? You hold the power in your own hands: Fuck off yourself. Go back to some political hugbox where you can just agree with others all day about how you're magically better than other people for loyally goosestepping in line without question. You know, exactly like you're telling others. Take your own advice.

>>9631396
Whites ended the slavery. Or Christians, your pick.

>>9630389
There is unironically literally nothing wrong with racism.

>>9631686
Don't let your identity get too caught up in your slave ideology; the dominant feature here is obviously whiteness.

By the way, jews were and always have been the main force behind slavery. During the Roman Empire and up to the middle ages when jews sold a fuckload of indebted whites to Arabs, to the transatlantic slave trade which was dominated by jewish families like Monsanto and the Lehman Brothers (those names sound familiar?). Now the ancestors of these jews control all 6 of our major media companies and use them to pass the blame for slavery off collectively on whites. It's truly unbelievable the gall these jews have. These are sick and dishonest people who don't belong in our societies.

>>9631377
>He wasn't around the first week of /lit/ when we were /new/ - literature edition

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>>9631350
While there is some differences between races, to think such a minor factor would determine why some races were collectively more succesful than others is not a biological response in any way, but a sign of being uneducated and having a very superficial way of thinking. One who has read or informed himself enough would know that those discrepancies on race success would have been caused by other factors, such as geography or mere chance, then socio-economical reasons (like slavery). Subsequently, these educated persons would avoid ignoring history and see that in their land most black people are poor, and conclude that they are inferior and hate them.
However, there could still be some seemingly smart people that would tend to show this kind of hate. For example, OP's pic seem to have been a very bitter man, and a bitter man like him would direct his bitterness towards whatever he sees fit, in this case, his very grotesque literary works, and fashion hate of the day, which is, racism against blacks.

>>9630389
>racist
>objectively wrong

>>9631308
>storys

>>9631377

Jesus, what a faggot.

>>9630400
this

>>9631377
Maybe you should find a more suitable website for yourself if people being allowed to voice their opinions, even ones that don't align with those of your own, bothers you.

>>9631990
Is this a joke that is going over my head?

>>9631645
You're doing it too now.

>>9632028
Why do you think that?

I'm black and i read Lovecraft AMA

>>9632038
Why do you have such bad taste in books?

>>9632038
How many black authors do you read?

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>>9631990
Trillions of dollars have been spent on educating blacks in the US and most can still barely speak English, let alone read or write it. The issues of black dysfunction, high time preference, and low agency are genetic and not the fault of anyone else. They are simply incapable of high achievement and little can be done to change that.

>>9632032
Picture of seemingly unrelated writer together with a poorly constructed argument that essentially says everyone disagreeing with the poster is stupid.

>>9632048
>he doesn't know IQ tests were created by white men and biased to keep the black population down

>>9632043
Because i started browsing this board i guess
>>9632046
Not many honestly. Though i love Frantz Fanon.

>>9632048
But there are still some black people in the us that have achieved a lot, and what you are saying is that practically none could do it because they are black. I'm sure your eduation system is not perfect either.
And don't post an iq map like it's some sort of ultimate truth, it's not. If anything, it helps my point.
>>9632051
Pic is unrelated.
>everyone disagreeing with the poster is stupid.
I'm not trying to say that, if you want to disagree with me, you are welcome to do that. So tell me, what is the justification for racism other than being a very superficial way of looking at how things are? I'm trying to be objective here

>>9631377
Reddit is that way, kiddo.

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>>9632089
It does not help your point because you have no idea what you're talking about. You need to learn how bell curves work. The only thing that matters is average group intelligence, and blacks have the lowest average group intelligence by far.

The reason for this pertains to evolutionary environment. Europeans have high IQs and are responsible for 97% of all innovation because they evolved in harsh environments where they had to be creative to survive and plan ahead since the land was frozen half the year. Blacks evolved in environments where food was available year round so they didn't develop the faculties required for high intelligence, or the comparative ability to think/plan ahead, which is why they do dumb shit for short term gain and wind up in prison at such high rates (time preference).

Low achievement among blacks is no one else's fault; it stems from them alone.

>>9630389
Michael Jackson was a pedophile, Bill Cosby probably raped a bunch of girls, Roald Dahl and Disney were anti-semites. Enjoying what someone produces is not the same as agreeing with what they did/said.

>>9631262
>MUH SLAAVERRRYYYY

>>9630389
I only read extremely current blogs. Even people on the absolute cutting edge of progress were literally Hitler the day before.

>>9632057
>he doesn't know IQ tests were created by white men and biased
Which is why asians have the highest scores woops fucking dumb white people fucked up lol amirite?

>>9632132
That's what i was saying. Blacks seem inferior because, as you say, of a different evolutionary enviornment that made them develop less. However, you are still ignoring the fact that because of this lower development, some took advantage (the europeans and the black chiefs of Africa, i'm not taking sides here) and slave them and colonize them, which in turn made them second class to other races, and its effect is still present today, be it in the US or the DRC. The same can be said about indigenous people in the americas, for example

Now that i mentioned slavery and colonization, i don't want any sjw banner put on me. Them and the radical racists are wrong, because they look at things superficially.

>>9630389
Yes, if the work itself is good I can enjoy it. Even if the said views are expressed in it. Not a book but for example I don't mind listening to national socialist black metal though I'm a Jew.

>>9632089
Well, the entire premise in the post I referred to originally is just false. It posits, a priori, that anyone who believes anything else than the socio-economic argument is uneducated, and that there can be no difference between different ethnicities with no argument.

It says racism is stupid because the underlying argument of racism does not exist, without actually arguing against it. The positing of an alternative theory is not the same as arguing against it, BTW. In fact, I don't think you'll find a single self-professed racist who will deny that socio-economic factors exist.

Often, I find the argument in these cases comes down to an argument of agency: The racist argues that people have full agency over their lives, so if an ethnic or racial population is unable, as a group, to seize that agency and achieve a level of civilization considered to be equal to others, than that group MUST have some sort of onus that can only be explained through genetics, or maybe culture. The opposing argument is often that these people completely lack any agency, and basically have been dicked over by others for the majority of world history.

My problem isn't so much with thinking the former is right, but that the latter is wrong. Compared to the first, it's a flimsy argument. And saying, just on its own, that racism is "a very superficial way of looking at things" is cutting short of the actual argument. If that's your point, you have to argue it.

My position is that racism, especially as we perceive it today, is natural in human beings. That is not approval, though. The argument that anything natural is automatically good is retarded in its own right. But we can see it exists in all populations, across all of history. In fact, "racism" itself is just an ungainly terms for prejudice expressed across ethnic lines. Similar prejudice has existed even among populations of the same ethnicity, and continues to do so.

The ugly truth is, sometimes people are prejudiced for compelling reasons, which supposed "anti-racists" seem to embrace completely by often being insanely anti-white. For instance, what if a person believes black people to be less intelligent, through his direct observations, but fights for them to have equal rights all the same?

>>9632159
I know you're being comical here, but having spent a couple years in east Asia, including China, I can say that Asian intelligence is deceptive. They are very smart people and score high on intelligence tests, but this is a factor of rote learning behavior, and they are largely incapable of applying this intelligence to real situations. This is why their societies are devoid of creativity and innovation, and why they steal most of their technology from the west. East Asians literally think the oldest person in the room is the smartest person, and this hampers their ability to create much of anything, since the oldest person is rarely actually the smartest. They are a borg collective -- ant people.

>>9632203
It's called the "Intelligence Quotient test", anon. Not the "Cultural Quotient" or "Education Quotient" text.

>>9630389
>objectively wrong
pic unrelated?
But seriously, you yourself separated what is wrong from what is racist, and either way, as long as what I read is interesting, I cant be bothered to care the personal opinions of the writer. especially if, like your image, it just reads like a funny shitpost. It would only become an issue if those views entered the work and made for a bad read, i.e. the horror at red hook. But most of other work is great so whatever.

>>9632174
Okay, so you're admitting that what I said is correct -- that low black achievement stems from their lower cognitive abilities resulting from past evolutionary environment. You just want to say that their lower standing is reinforced because others took advantage of it? Whatever, I guess. But you should stop putting all this blame on whites. As I posted earlier in this thread, jews ran the slave trade, not whites.

You are an SJW, though, because you use fake terms like "racism" and try to pin the blame for slavery collectively on whites, even though less than 3% of whites in America *at that time* owned slaves and whites were the first people to end slavery. If you want to blame someone, blame jews. 48% of jews in the American south at that time owned slaves, and again, jews ran the slave trade (look up the origins of Lehman Brothers and the Monsanto family).

>>9630389
Absolutely. A man's vices (or errors) are common to him in his age, but his virtues (or insights) are his own.

>>9632215
No shit, and different factors contribute to different types of intelligence which produce different outcomes.

>>9632192
I certainly agree with what you are saying, and i apoligize if a expressed myself not properly, since i didn't wish to write a lot of text.

>>9632229
But i'm not putting the blame on whites solely, nor do i care who's to blame here, be it the jews or whites or whomever. For once, i also mentioned the black chiefs in Africa that brought their fellow africans to the coast to be sold to whatever people was buying them.
Whether the jews or the whites or the lizard people ran the salve trade is beyond my interests. I'm just saying that it happend and that it had consequences and those are still present today.

>>9632265
No apology needed. You have been most civil.

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>>9630389
what is wrong with being racist? or do you like sub standard iq niggers pouring into your nation lowering the quality of your population via race mixing and also causing sky rocketing rape murder and theft crime along with sky rocketing STI levels?

do you enjoy paying for their welfare? do you enjoy being taxed so high you cant afford a family while tyrone has 6 with 3 different women whom all claim benefits?

but lets ignore all that because you have been programmed to think being called racist is like being labelled a pedo

sort it out op

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>>9632282
SO PROGRESSIVE! SO DIVERSE! EVIL WHITEY DESTROYED THEIR CULTURE N SHEEIT

>>9632265
>I'm just saying that it happend and that it had consequences and those are still present today.
Okay ... But this observation is not very insightful, so please try to refrain from using it as a proxy to attack white people in the future.

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>>9632286
look upon it op

do you consider these people equal to us whites?

they are beasts and when we are the minority they will not offer you the same kindness you are showing,research what happened in haiti and rhodesia to understand your fate

>>9632290
I fail to see why would you think i try to attack white people. Look, i'm white myself, and i don't have that self-hate and low self-steem of those buzzfeed people to attack my entire race for no reason.

>>9632307
on the day of the rope race traitors get shot 1st

>>9632311
Whatever, you are not being reasonable now

>>9632307
I'm glad to hear that, and I say that sincerely. But I assumed I was speaking with the person who posted this >>9631990

>>9632327
You were though

I bet that all the righties came here because they thought it would would be cool to seem well read but then they never bothered to read philosophy or challenging fiction.

>>9630389
>can you not enjoy a book written by someone whose views were objectively wrong/racist

>>9632346
>leftist who looks down on the working class

Just...

>>9632335
All right. Just seemed a little antiwhite, but if you say it wasn't intended that way and happen to be white yourself, I have no real beef. But please try to limit your use of fake words like "racism" in the future and look into the jewish question. They are the problem here, now as always. And you should care that they were disproportionately responsible for bringing blacks to America and are now disproportionately involved in blaming whites collectively for slavery.

>>9630389
I enjoy it even more so.

>>9632377
Not him, but /pol/ plz. The shit with the Jews. Why? It really is a bridge too far. Even if all the shit you say is true, it is not evidence of a grand conspiracy, just of individual Jews having been shitbags throughout history. An actual conspiracy needs more evidence than that.

And I'm saying that as someone who's been very critical of these left wing Jews who shill for anti-Western and anti-white causes. One thing I've observed is that Jews tend to be Schrödinger's minority. At once an oppressed cultural/racial group, but at the same time wealthy, influential, and powerful. This leads to cognitive dissonance, even in Jews themselves, who discover with surprise they've been allied with anti-white causes while the people running them don't see Jews as non-whites. Brett Weinstein is such an individual. And Vasily Grossman only became a critic of Stalinism after Stalin started coming down on Jews. But that is not a Jewish trait. You also have that cunt Guthrie, who only started seeing fascism as a problem with they attacked his beloved Soviets.

>>9630389

If you can read something without 100% subscribing to the authors political views, it's the sign of a sound mind.

How you don't understand this or what led you to ask this question is beyond me.

>>9630389
>objectively
Aint no such thing, my african american.

>>9632395
>it is not evidence of a grand conspiracy, just of individual Jews
You're right that there is no conspiracy because the information is all available and out in the open. But you're wrong about the problem stems jews acting individually. Jews are known as "the tribe." They do not think or act individually like highly individualized Europeans do. They always do what's best for jews first, that's how such a small group has been able to stay together and parasitically hop from empire to empire since Egyptian times. They don't operate on individual strategies, they utilize a group strategy, and that's the reason for their success, especially among highly individualized peoples.

You aren't informed about the jewish question, and it's as simple as that, friend. You should read the Culture of Critique to better inform yourself on it.

>>9630389
>wrong/racist?
So which one is it?

>>9632335
general intelligence is not a minor factor
not at all

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>>9631990
Race itself exist because of geography and 'mere chance' (determinism). Social-economic reasons (like slavery) exist because one race allowed itself to be enslaved by the other. The poverty of black people is also the result of them not being able to raise themselves out of poverty.

You do realise that whitey tried to make the red man work the fields at first but that the Indians had some warrior pride and intelligence and didn't allow themselves to become docile dim-witted cattle, right?

The reasons why blacks because the most prominent slave race is because they made the best slaves. That is to say, they were easy to catch, easy to control and easily put to a life of simple manual labour without revolt.

There is no cheating in nature and neither are there excuses.

Might is right.

>>9630389
This thread is pretty much going to be /pol/ but yeah I don't give a shit if the writer is racist/gay/female/black as long as the writing is good and HP Lovecraft is amazing.

The dreams in the witches house is my favourite short story

>>9631377
I never thought I'd see the day when lit threads would stoop to low race-baiting buzzwords but here it is

>>9631377
>>9631094
Is reddit down again?

Is reddit

>>9632470
Actually the natives weren't robust enough and would get sick and die

>>9631377
shit bait