>Intelligent >Monolingual Pick one. What languages are

Why not Assimil or FSI?
/int/ wiki told me they are the best way to learn French.

>>9602743
yeah i absolutely agree. my native language is german, furthermore i speak english, french, romanian and latin (well, i rather translate than speak it)

wow you're such an intellectual, or should I say intellectualè

>>9602766
merci

Not very far along, but I'm learning German right now. Far prefer it too English, have to say.

I should probably start reading more in French since I know most of the grammar but my vocabulary is absolutely horrid. I guess you could also say I'm still learning my native language (Swedish) and English since my writing in both languages are gradually improving and there are still loads of words I have yet to learn.

>>9602792
>too English
We can tell, Anon.

>>9602795
Languages IS gradually improving, not are. Still impressive for a second language though. Tell me, is English hard to learn? Its my native, but I would imagine it's pretty annoying to learn the grammar.

>>9602743
ferme ta gueule le petit coucou

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>"""studying""" languages that are essentially english with different vocabulary
haha okay

Studied Japanese last year, taking N1 in december. Currently studying Russian. I'm coming for you, ドスト

>>9602743
I'm learning French too. I find a lot of the words hard to pronounce but it's not nearly as difficult to learn as I was told it would be.

>>9602810
disgusting weeb

>>9602800
Nigga what grammar? English is half of Europe's languages but with random parts of the grammar removed.

I'm learning French too. Although I'd love to learn Japanese the required time commitment is obscene and I'm not nearly as motivated as I am for French, since I'm interested in French literature.

>>9602761
Not OP, but Assimil is really good; Duolingo is free.

>>9602811
Try this. It's dry, but good.

http://www.fsi-language-courses.net/fsi-introduction-to-french-phonology/

>>9602800
You're correct for the wrong reasons unless I'm mistaken, it's "writing (...) is improving" not "languages is improving", but maybe that was your point and I'm just being pedantic.

>>9602811
Maybe there's something obvious about French pronunciation, but as a non-native speaker it feels to me just as arbitrary as English except even lazier.

>>9602762
> romanian
How did you end up learning that? Romanian heritage?

>>9602761
This. What are the best ways to learn French? There's been a detailed thread about it a while back, but I can't find it and can't find my notes (if I even took any in the first place). Someone mentioned buying/pirating some courses, but I can't remember which ones.

>>9602804
Pourquoi es-tu si vulgaire ?
Pour ton information, "cuck" se dit "cocu" en français.
Si tu veux paraître pour un con, au moins fais le correctement.

>>9602800
English grammar is pretty easy compared to Swedish and French but the pronunciation rules of English (or lack thereof) are ass.

>>9602810
Fuck off weeb cunt. Focus your energy on Russian.

>>9602766
Ïntêllëcquetuèlle, acqchouallie. Eew meust use ze surjonctif féminin moins-que-parfait, eew species of filsy américain consumeur de bourgueurs!

>>9602811
Probably since the accents on letters tell you how words should be pronounced, whereas in English there are none and its on you to remember what way a particular letter is pronounced in a different word.

>>9602743
So what's the absolute best way to learn french? Aside from literature there's a few french math textbooks that I'd like to try reading.

>>9602848
je ne sais pas. c'est marrant.

>>9602847
>>9602884
>best way
Literally just start.
Assimil, FSI, French in Action, Duolingo, language class, etc. Pick one and just do it.
You waste too much time looking for the best way.

>>9602848
C'est quoi ce or-àouse? Yeur „„french"" is like zaet of old marocaine syphillitique bacque alléy arlot, yeue offspring of a cunt-monger!

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>duolingo
>thinks it's a good start
I speak 4 different languages, 3 different alphabets, duolingo is trash.

>>9602888
Tu me fait chié, lesse Jamal apprendre le français et niquer les femmes.

>>9602889
Number of languages doesn't mean shit if you don't name them.
How many non Indo-European languages do you speak?

>3 different alphabets
Literally the task of remembering 20 to 50 symbols, are you even trying?

>>9602800
English grammar is actually fairly easy. It's the amount of idioms and phrasal verbs that make it hard and even then daily exposure to it through media helps a lot. I think it's Churchill who once said something along the lines of "English is an easy language to speak poorly".

>>9602743
>>Monolingual
Considering how many different dialects the English language has, and how different they are, a good versatile writer can probably be considered duolingual.

>>9602907
Nogbonics is a primitive form of English, its not a separate language.

>>9602907
Is this bait?

>duolingual
Yes it must be

>>9602743
Call me basic or unoriginal, but I too and just starting French. My long term gf is a French major and got me some of Camus' works in French for my birthday, and part of my present was that she is going to tech me.

Come to think of it, that sounds like a shitty /lit/ porn.

>>9602743
If you live in an anglophone country shouldn't you learn more important things? That's not to say that learning languages is not important, but seriously how many times would NEED french? I'm learning french actually myself, and I'm a burger, but I'm having doubts lately and I'm wondering if it is really worth it. I'm no master even in my own language and I am learning another language because I want to visit there someday or something... I don't really even know why I am learning it.

>>9602931
A duolingual must be someone who "learned" their second language from duolingo.

>>9602943
If you have a reason to learn French then learn French, if not then don't. You could learn coding instead and make money off of that, but if you'd rather read French lit than make money by coding then who cares? Just do what you want man.

>>9602940
>shitty

>>9602810
How long did it take you to get this stage? I've spent around 3 months hard core studying Japanese and am at around N4 level. I can translate basic children's books but goddam learning a language is hard.

Part of learning a language is much more than simply speaking it.

No,

Learning a language imbues you with a brand new line of reasoning. A new way of describing the world around you, but accentuating concepts your first language never included.

Take English and German for instance. They say things in a different order, and as someone learning German I noticed they group words based on function / how they work, which could explain where the fabled 'German Engineering' meme comes from.

>>9603005
After 7 months I had 241 on JCat, a week after the one year mark I tried an N1 practice test and passed and these days I'm 280ish on JCat.
Just read a lot, maybe do the dictionary of Japanese grammar anki deck. I basically went into Dies Irae an N3 and came out an N1.

>>9603014
I don't get why you need to justify a hobby like this.
You learned German? Great. Doesn't make you an engineer in any way.

>>9603023
You passed N1 just after a year? Impressive. How many hours were you doing a day? Also, do you happen to be either Chinese or Korean?

>>9603023
Great story.
How did you find the time to do it? I'd imagine N1 level in one year took some intensive study.

>>9603087
it's more for adding to the thread on why learning a language has more benefits than one would realise from first glance.

>>9603157
And I'm saying that benefit you cited is BS.

>>9603171
Well being gifted with an additional line of reasoning is immeasurable benefit to any human, it should be considered as important as learning fundamental theory is.

Also, IQ is boosted by knowledge of theory. Theory introduces the individual to line of thoughts and reasoning they would not have arrived at naturally, and learning a new language does exactly this but in a much less direct way.

>>9602995
Hey now, if you kids go to /biz/ and get us some funding, we can get rolling this week.

>>9603097
>>9603111
2-3 hours a day, most progress was made when reading. Don't fall for the "too hard for your level" meme, just read what you feel like reading. I don't know, maybe what really made it click for me were the times I spent 10 minutes rereading a sentence over and over, googling parts of it to see more usages of it in context, and looking up individual words in extra dictionaries until I'd finally understand it.
Mind you, all I did was reading and studying vocabulary and grammar, my speaking and listening is behind. Then again, it's been surprisingly easy catching up on them thanks to my over all understanding of the language.
Not Korean or Chinese, just a yuropoor.

I'm polylingual, nihilistic, with a wicked sense of humor.

>>9603014
>I watched Arrival and now think I'm a linguist
Please go back to plebbit thanks

>>9603187
t. pseud - the post

I have no interest in learning a language to speak it.
Well I'm anti social.
Although I adore linguistics, been subscribed to Jackson Crawford on YouTube for 5 months.
Would like to be able to read wtf these
>weǵʰ- *per- *tar-
weird symbols mean.

>If you're French and can speak Italian, that only counts as 1.5 languages.
>Otherwise I can say I speak 4 languages, which I don't

>>9603252
>2-3 hours a day
Do you have a job?

>>9603361
University student. It's not like I spent three hours a day reading grammar textbooks and studying vocab, I just switched to Japanese reading material.

I took German all through highschool and college. With some effort, I can read German literature, though I do so at a frustratingly slow pace.

My Italian is enough to read the news, but not really serious literature yet. This is self taught from Duolingo, and some grammar workbooks, and reading newspapers and simple shit, so my accent is horrendous.

I also just like using Duolingo for fun. I completed French, Spanish, Esperanto and Norwegian. I'm working through Hungarian, which is a real challenge and different way of thinking.

Of course, it's all pointless since I'm afraid to talk to people.

>>9603361
He's European, they don't have to

>>9603370
Aside from Italians Americans have it much easier to NEET through life than Europeans.

>>9602800
English is the most easy language to learn. Grammar is ridiculously simple compared to Romance languages. Its only problem is the retarded phonetic. A single vowel can have 10 different pronunciations. I guess it's because English has grown very spontaneously.

>>9603383
>english is the most easy language to learn
I'd think it was intentional if your whole sentence wasn't screaming underage esl

>>9603402
Third-worlders have overconfidence about their English ability.

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>>9603435
Don't we all

>>9603302
>>9603306
Not an argument.

Go home 1 dimensional plebs.

>>9603455
So? It's correct usage, no?

I dont need a second language because im not a cuck. Who the fuck wants to hang out with third worlders?

>>9603532
How come people degrade down to "I-it's grammatically correct!" even after understanding the concept of natural and unnatural use of a language whenever it comes to their own writing?

>>9602743
>Now that I have finished Duolingo, i'm going to learn more advanced French grammar

You've a very deluded conception of how one should approach learning languages

>>9603547
>There's a correct way.

>>9603563
There's no one correct way that fits all, but I think anon was implying that there's indeed a wrong approach

>>9603402
I was wrong because I should've said "easiest" in place of "most easy", right?

>>9602810
From an outsider's perspective, which language do you find more complex in terms of grammar? Are the thought patterns of Russian as odd as they say?

>>9603547

Ok wonderful, let's hear it boy genius. What's the proper way, probably told by a shut-in reject who doesn't know any other languages.

Lay it on man, I know this is going to be brilliant and non-ego driven.

>>9602792
I am a jelly liner

>>9602848
>tu
Francophile ici omd

>tfw forgot my first language

how rare do you think this is? I completely forgot how to speak Arabic after like age 4.

Semi-fluent in Mandarin. Daily studying. German is next. If I could have my way I would then learn Korean Russian and French. Wifey speaks Cantonese and it revs my engine

I got halfway through duo german and I can't even read kafka. Now I'm switching to Greek. ADD life.

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>>9602897
>non Indo-European languages

>>9602743
Two questions:
How fluent will you be finishing duolingo?
Also how long does finishing take?

t. monoling retard

>>9604721
Don't bother. Get some proper studying material and practice with literature and people IRL.

>>9604658
You're not ADD, you're just too dumb to get through German grammar.

>Tfw becoming monolingual again

>>9603563
>>9603710
Its simple, at the point Anon has reached his work should be on practising comprehension skills not learning more grammer.
You can have all the grammer in the world understood analytically but you wont be able to speak for shit without intuitvely practising fluency in basic mechanisms of speach and listening.

I would say any grammer past the point Duolingo teaches you is of only academic interest and will have marginal aid in understanding the language.

>>9602851
It's easy to attain a basic level for practical communication, is what you mean. I've never read a non native who could write like one, not even Contad.

>>9604766
*grammar

>>9604721
I'd reccomend doing all in like a week or two to get the fundamentals down, then move onto an actual program. This is because you'll only learn to speak like a bumbling retard with Duolingo, but it still teaches the barebone fundamentals.

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>>9602743
Shit can I shitpost the same shit I do on /int/?

Duolingo is inefficient garbage btw.

I'm learning French. Have read l'étranger, la chute, la peste. What to read next? If I read any more Camus I'm going to blow my brains out.

>>9604824
I don't think it's possible to learn that.

>>9602743
Mandarin. Then, onto classical...
>>9602795
Man I'm the opposite. My vocab's pretty good, but my grammar's nonexistent.

Which is lucky for my Mandarin, I guess, because as always Chinese autism triumphs over all.
>>9602810
Fucking weebs

>>9602743
are we to assume that intelligence is not an innate quality but rather the result of jumping through specified hoops?

>>9604897
t. brainlet

>>9604919
so you admit intelligence is innate rather than acquired? so surely learning or not learning a language has nothing to do with intelligence?

>>9602810
>"""studying""" languages that are essentially english with different vocabulary

You realize that French has a completely different grammatical structure than English right? English is a germanic language while French is romantic. The vocabulary is actually the thing they have in common rather than being different.

Quebecois are looked down upon in Parisian society. That is all.

>>9604982
Parisians are looked down on by society.

>>9604929
i just felt like calling you a dummy because i smelled insecurity with "jumping through specified hoops". no great thoughts.

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>mfw english and spanish

>>9605044
Hey José

Started learning German and Spanish but can't force myself to continue because there's no reason to.
I'm not planning to move to either of those in the near future.

>>9602743
My Italian's rusty, to say the least. Any book recommendation? Nothing too complicated, let's say i'm a rusty B2

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>takes hundreds, perhaps thousands of hours to learn a new language, just to read new books in a barely different, perhaps slightly more authentic way
>not taking that time to read a hundred new completely seperate books
>calls others dumb for not wasting their fleeting and valuable time

>>9602897
Fluent in Hebrew, English, Russian, and French.
Started German not too long ago.

>>9605199
>this faggot thinks you can express yourself in English as good as you can in Russia

Lost

so no joke, what's a good program to learn conversational languages besides duolingo?
I've used duolingo for german for quite some time but I don't want it to be a waste if its not a good program.

also I have nobody to converse with in person

>>9602743
Was it useful? Can you have a conversation in French now?
Did you take classes outside of using Duolingo?
How long did it take for you to finish it?
pls respond

>>9605221
>this retard thinks anything is expressed well in Russian
Give glass water!
That is literally how Russian sounds.
Cave paintings have more nuance.

>>9605222
assimil for the intro/basics.
create an anki deck for vocab.
find books to read
find people to communicate with on interpals.

>>9605222
Duolingo is great, don't listen to these contrarian retards who wont even say whats wrong with it

>>9605221

>Mfw a traditional Russian greeting translates as "I kiss the dog's arse"

>>9605258
Russians don't like fake politeness. They are proud of their direct manners.

>>9604743


lol well I might go back to German, Greek is hard as fuck. In German I can usually remember the spelling of words after seeing it once, it's because I don't think sounds, I'm a lexiphronic thinker when most people are phonophronic (it's where you see an apparition of a word spelled instead of hearing the word in your head), but only in Roman alphabets apparently.

>>9603014
Fuck off retard, you dont know shit and you're cringy, just learn languages for their own sake please.

>t. someone who speaks english, norwegian, german, modern hebrew and latin

>>9604886
brainlet detected

>>9607134
You're the autist here
>speaks modern Hebrew
Literally what?
Are you autistic?
>speak latin
Hannah no one SPEAKS Latin idiot.

I can see you struggle with English, you're probably sub 100 too.

And FYI I speak Russian, French Hebrew, and English.
OH wait I speak old Hebrew too xd

Kys.

>>9602743
Latin speaking master race here.

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>>9605258

>>9605251
Roughly six months for the bulk of it. Just 2-4ish levels per day, with a few periods without doing any. After that, i'm not just doing the strength levels to maintain and improve my vocabulary.

If you spend a few hours per day you could easily finish all the levels in a month or so.

>>9602743

>I'm going to attempt italian
>He fell for the italian language meme

>>9607986
Its muh heritage.

I should have learnt it first, since I have family that speaks it.

>>9607737
>says he speaks a bunch of languages
>is writing in english


Actually you seems to struggle with english as you dont know how the verb "speak" is used. Its perfectly fine to say that you "speak"latin if you're advanced enough in its vocab and grammar to understand most texts, despite never having used it as a speken language.

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I'm learning English, French and German

https://learn.lingvist.com

>>9607737
Btw modern and old hebrew are more or less mutually intelligeble

>>9604594
I grew up on an air force base in Italy and learned Italian at the same time I learned English. Moved back to America when I was 6 and now I no longer know how to speak Italian. It sucks

>>9605207
Ok Roman

>>9608261
>>9608285
רוצה לדבר בעברית?
אין בעיה כפרה
כפי שאתה יודע יש הבדל בין "אני מדבר" לבין "אני מבין"
אתה רשמת שאתה מדבר
מה שמצחיק זה שאי אפשר "לדבר" בלטינית
אלא אם כן אתה זה הבחור מפה
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVBN0_UOL6I

and btw if by "old hebrew" you're referring to biblical hebrew, i can assure you that you don't, the Torah and modern hebrew are light years apart, and understanding biblical hebrew is extremely hard.

Lads any advice on this language situation:

Parents spoke German to me growing up but I never received a formal education in German, so I can speak casually in a conversational setting and that's about it. Also have an intuitive understanding of the syntax and basic grammar.

My question is, how do I move on from this point to full fluency?

My active vocabulary is also pretty small, I'm missing a lot of intermediate level words and almost all advanced level words.

>>9602940
Sounds great anon.

>>9602792
>>9602797

lmao

cold

>>9608808
I know your feel bro, had the exact same problem with Russian, spoke fluently but missed quite a lot of words.

Basically read easy books, then watch a sitcom in German ( if there aren't any German ones takes friends/scrubs for example and look for German dubbed version )
This helps a lot.
Then proceed to read literature in German, read along an audiobook ( this will help a ton)

>>9602743

Is there anything more pleb than reading books in the original language?

>jealous monoglots can only read books in the original language
>patrician polyglots like myself can read the works of Goethe in French, the masterpieces of Proust in the superior Russian, Chinese and Japanese works in the opposite language, etc., opening up new vistas of interpretation and understanding

I tried reading a book in the original language once, just to see what it's like being a pleb, and it was a suffocating and nauseous experience. I pity those for whom there is no other option.

I'm convinced that unless you're planning on moving to the country where the language is spoken, learning a new language is a near-useless status symbol when you could spend the time developing other more useful skills.

honestly, unless you study the romance languages at a top european university, there really is no point in even reading european literature

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How do I self learn Russian?

Parents speak it as first language and mom is willing to help.

>>9609349
My life would be so much better if I looked like him.

>>9609349
>parents speak Russian
>he doesn't

Really shameful. I never understand how some (fortunately only a few) parents don't teach their kids their native language (even if it's just one of them who speak it).

t. Russian speaker raised out of Russia

>>9609357
Personality>looks
T. Attractive autist

>>9609397
Mom wanted me to assimilate into America well. She realizes she made a mistake and regrets it. She has taught me history and culture and my Russian friends are always very impressed with how much I know despite not speaking language.

Now how do I learn? What are best resources?

>>9609481
>She has taught me
It's she HAD taught me

Can you talk for 10 minutes about Dostoyevsky?Tolstoy?Chekov?Pushkin?Gogol?

If not she had taught you nothing, if so you're lucky, also talk to your mother, are your parents divorced?
Did they never speak Russian?
I picked up Russian without even trying solely because my parents spoke it.

>>9609560
Yes, my mom had me read:

>Dostoevsky
Crime & Punishment, The Brothers Karamazov, The Gambler, The Devils, The Idiot, Notes from Underground,

>Tolstoy
Anna Karenina (her personnel favorite), The Death of Ivan Illych, have yet to read War & Peace but I have idea of how it goes

>Chekhov
The Cherry Orchard, Seagull (wrote a research paper on this), bunch of his short stores (e.g. Ward No. 6)

>Gogol
The Nose

>Pushkin
I have a book of his poems in Russian in my mom's house and I know plot for Eugene Onegin but I haven't actually read him

I've also read "A Hero of Our Times" and "Master & Magarita"

>Did they never speak Russian?
My parents don't have good relationship and my mom avoided talking in Russian around me growing up because she wanted to make sure I was American as possible with no accent

>>9608760
read my post again you idiot

>>9602743
> learning a new language through duolingo
I can hardly think of bigger ways to kid yourself that you're doing anything useful

I am much more proficient in english than brazilian portuguese, despite the latter being my first language.
Old Norse interests me. But icelandic is more mundane. Should I just take icelandic instead? I heard they were practically identical. But if I end up brushing icelandic/O.N. aside, I might take up Bokmål instead.
Also, Finnish and Russian interest me too.

>>9609560
>It's she HAD taught me
No it isn't.

>>9609872
Buying into SimplePickup, watching their videos and taking notes.

>>9609083
this tbqh

i'm going to learn japanese and move to japan

>>9603532
"be overconfident about" is far better English than "have overconfidence about".

The phrases "he has hunger" and "he is hungry" are both valid, meaningful English sentences but only one actually sounds like native English

>>9610059
He has hunger isn't valid in the slightest.

>>9607737
>Hannah

I know English, Russian, German and Romanian.
And I can't speak any of these languages like a native.

Can you just imagine how painful is being myself?

>>9609083
>I'm convinced that unless you are planning on being an athlete exercising is a status symbol
>that unless you are going to perform live learning the piano is a status symbol
>unless it is going to be involved in your job learning maths is a status symbol
Really made me think.

>>9602810
>learning russian after english
knowing more than one indo-european language is a waste of potential. go write my diary, desu.

>>9610096
Heh. Everyone thinks you're a foreigner! Even the people from your native land!

*HOW TO LEARN LANGUAGES*
first of all you gotta have in mind that this is a long-term project that you'll have to constantly (like daily basis constantly) be thinking of until it becomes a sort of unconscious thing.
if you're learning one of those langs that're really far from your native one, videos on youtube explaining your target language's phonetics are mandatory. otherwhise, you'll improve in your reading and writing but speak like a drunk guy. YES, SPEAKING IS MANDATORY. i will elaborate on that later on.
SOOOO you will not just look for a good beginner's textbook (teach yourself series, asimil etc) as well as sign up on hellolingo.com or download hellotalk on your phone. these are going to be the places where you'll find people to practice with. if they're learning your native tongue, PERFECT! you gotta a language partner. ask for their skype, whatsapp/telegram number. PLEASE, TRY TO LOOK LIKE YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HELPING AND BEING HELPED that's probably one of the worse things in the language learning world - coming across people who're not wiling to help. don't be that person.
ok, now you got textbook, sites/apps and friends. you have to set a time for them on your day. minimum 20 min. FUCKING STICK TO IT. you just need to be constant, that's all.
as you progress on your textbook, try to use everything your learn on your conversations with your language partners and, more importantly, ask them to show you the most natural way of saying things. believe it or not, textbooks aren't a good representation of reality.
daily vlogs on youtube are awesome - you got people there, uploading videos everyday, speaking in a natural way, talking about real-life stuff. it's perfect.
i'm a native portuguese speakers and learned english & spanish sticking to this routine. it helped.

>>9610055
well meme'd

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>>9602743
>Learning German
>Getting pretty good at reading the shit post in /deutsche/ threads on /int/
>Still struggling with reading Grimms Märchen

I'm up to the family portion of duolingo and I'm forcing myself to learn by writing a page of a story and then translating it.
Anyone got any german book recs once I'm competent enough?

>also plan on learning French and Spanish or Italian

>>9602810
Japanese and Russian are literally the most fedora languages. I bet you collect guns and frequent /pol/

>>9610980
Try reading some plays from the last century, given that your German is probably mostly conversational, something dialogue heavy would probably be best. I found reading a couple of dürrenmatt's plays and then his 'krimis' helped get me to a level where I was capable of reading more complex books or tackling older works with possibly archaic vocab.

>>9609936
Se tua estrutura sintática assemelha-se a isso aí que postastes, queira o Senhor que mintas e o português seja teu ponto forte.

t. anão amigo

>>9603187
>IQ is boosted by knowledge of theory
You better start reading dem books right away senpai. You might actually hit that 70 somethin' before you be turning forty years old.

>>9610953
no meme
i want to live in hakodate
i'm actually going to do it. and fuck anime.

>>9602743
i am slowly finishing french tree. Image you got, its after just going through entire tree, or i must goldmax every chapter??

Can we talk about the benefits of translation? It's often seen as a key to learning Latin and Ancient Greek; that is translating the works from the original into your native language.

Can this be applied to learning a new modern language as well? Which way is the best? Let's say I want to learn German: should I translate an English text into German or a German text into English?

Thoughts?

>>9610417
More like learning a language with an actual Indo-European syntax unlike English. Unlike other archaic IE languages like Latin and Greek (and Sanskrit) Russian is actually spoken.

I would like to learn more Russian the swear words and basic words I know but I wouldn't have anyone to speak it with.

A girl I know knows French and I thought about learning that too but never followed through beyond some basic stuff.

>>9611290
i am planning to translate Pałuba into english (it would be first full translation ever to english, 100 years after original release)

>>9603282

XD

>>9609481
Damn I would resent that so much, especially given how hard it is to learn for non-natives, the amount of literature you can access and just the fact that its your heritage.

My dad grew up speaking Italian and can (I assume) still speak it, but I have never heard him speaking it around me. Its as though he's too shy to. I wish he brought me up speaking it. I feel like I lost part of my heritage since so many of my relatives can speak it.

>>9610055
Fuck off weeb.

If I spent 12 hours a day learning Chinese how long would it take me to pass HSK level 3?

I speak English and Australian

>>9611715
Not long. The HSK levels are based solely on grammar. I took a beginner mandarin course for a semester and did no outside study and I'm at level 2 now.

>>9611726
Based solely on vocabulary I meant.

>>9611726
okay thanks, and how long would it take me to et burnt out from studying 12 hours a day?

>>9611731
If you are only self studying, anywhere from a week to a month. Hopefully you have a lot of native speakers somewhere near you because hearing and using the language are crucial.

>>9611734
I have a Taiwanese friend in discord and he said he can help me for an hour a day.

Should I invest in online tutoring? Or should I try to find Chinese people near me?

>>9611757
Whatever works. I am very new to the language as well. Are you going to be studying traditional or simplified script?

>>9611765
Traditional, goal is to teach english in taiwan once I get a degree

>>9602810
ドスト?
Dostoyevsky?

>>9611770
We may have a chance encounter someday, anon; I am planning on applying for a grad program in Taipei.
Once you get the tones down it is pretty much just a character collection game. There are a few grammatical rules that are different, but for the most part it is structurally the same as English. Best of luck, my friend.

>>9611851
thanks for the advice, see you in taiwan :)

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>>9611841
Poster's a retarded weeb who probably just watched Shirobako, where Dostoyevsky's called Dost by pic related.

I am glad I learned french from gr2-12, one of those only languages you can substitute in when you can't think of an English word that rhymes or fits without looking like a total pseudo.

Estoy aprendiendo espanol, pronto pasara a ser nueva lengua oficial de USA y quiero estar preparado

>Intelligent
>Using Duolingo
Pick one.

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Is Duolingo actually shit? Is there a good language learning website or should I stick to books?

>>9609936
>I am much more proficient in english than brazilian portuguese, despite the latter being my first language.

No you're not

>>9605199
I think there are more benefits to learning new languages than to read books in that language

>>9602743
I finished Duolingo Spanish and still don't feel like I know anything. It's like just a very basic introduction to a foreign language.

>>9610073
kys weeb faggot

>Esperanto is more widely learned on Duolingo than Greek
kek, can any civilization be more cucked than the greeks? You go from alexander the great to the byzzies to this shit

Anybody have some good resources for learning Arabic?

>>9614476
What dialect? Arabic in Egypt is way different than in Saudi Arabia

>>9614487
Probably Levantine

>>9609050
top kek, I know this is pasta but it's still funny

>>9609654
>hasn't read Pushkin
fix this

>>9602810
>>9610986
>tfw I am the same

Learning French has show me how little I know about English grammar, or any grammar. I think I was sleeping in English class from age 8-18.

Been learning French from grade 4 to 2nd year uni and still can't follow speech well. I should read some actual french books, I guess. I don't know why public school didn't make us READ french, only learn its grammar and speak Parisian french when the most french we will ever see is Quebecois anyway

>>9614565
>Quebecois thinks he speaks Parisian French.
I don't even.

>>9602743
Never knew about Duolingo before, OP. Thanks for the heads up, this seems like an accessible way to learn basic French and it seems to offer incentive in the way of levelling up/XP, almost like a game which is a good way of keeping people involved.

>>9611093
>>9614045
0/10 samefag troll

>>9602743
>presumes to call Einstein unintelligent because he only *knew* German and had a minor grasp of other languages
>bragging on an interracial frogging cuckboard for autists
Look out anons, we've a real, certified multilingual genius here.

>>9602847
Speak the motherfucking language.
Immerse yourself in whichever culture you like most from whichever language you want to learn, then branch out.

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>>9616478
>0/10
>samefag
>troll

phew kid, reddits down the hallway

>>9611290
Translate to your own language until you get very good. You have a much better feel for how syntax should work in your own language, so as an anglophone, I can make French->English make sense, but I'd be putting mediocre sentences together at best in English->French

>>9602743
>not reading the wikipedia pages on a language and locating practice resources to attain basic competency whilst referring to those wiki pages and then eventually finding native speakers to practice with and attain fluency
Absolute inefficiency and incompleteness.

>>9602810
>"""studying""" languages that are essentially english with different vocabulary
>haha okay
Also this, nice bubble of same-same languages that completely restricts your world view and intellect.

>learning Japanese because kanji please my autism and I'm used to hearing it in cartoons anyway
>plan to learn Norwegian because reasons, then probably Latin, then dunno

>>9612510
thanks.

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/lit/ I speak and read English and Italian perfectly and i know just enough spanish to understand what's going on in books. Once I become proficient with spanish what should I look for next ?
Which language do you think has the most literary works that require reading the original to truly and deeply understand them ? I'm willing to learn pretty much anything except overly complicated languages that would require me to put disporportionate amounts of time and effort into them(see japanese, indian or arabian). I figure this is the right place to ask.

>>9619900
russian, hands down. look no further, it will require hard work and discipline to learn it as well, as you have a few under your belt, you might be seeking a challenge. Russian is indeed that challenge! plus you'll never be able to properly read the great poem eugene onegin without knowing the language, the great prose of tolstoy, the wit of gogol, the nature of turgenev, the frenzy of dostoevsky. oh the places you'll go!

>>9619919
Translations are just fine.

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>>9619919
Thanks, I'll treasure your advice.

>>9619943
I know, but when I found out that there's no comparison between translated and original borges, or whitman or calvino I realized that sometimes it is worth the effort.

>>9619943
well, i don't disagree in general, i read translations myself, but works like petersburg, eugene onegin, dead souls, to name a few, are inevitably greater in their native language and generally agreed to be so. i'm not saying translations are bad (some are, PV for example) but just that if he wants something that will have a notable difference in its source, then russian is the language to go with.

>>9605304
What are you talking about?

>>9609083

Which skills?

>>9602761
this is right

Duolingo will do nothing for you.

Use Michel Thomas. Then Assimil. Then read some books and some podcasts accesible to non-natives like https://www.newsinslowfrench.com/