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A famous italian philosopher, Benedetto Croce said that Nietzsche is a poet and that he should not be called philosopher (heard it at a lecture, can't find the quote).
Someone else told me that he had a beautiful poetic prose, (citing "Thus spoke Zarathustra" in particular ) full of satire as if he wanted one not to follow him but to question his methods itself.

I was thinking of reading https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche/

To get a gist of it as, right now I don't have the time to read his books, as I don't expect someone from /lit/ to just gift me a "here's Nietzsche", I hope one can at least answer me these

1) Doesn't he has a positive outlook on life despite his irrational thought?

2) Considering his sister editing how "canon" can his last works be considered? I once heard a teacher argue that it was still written by him and his ideas (I don't agree because he was clearly mentally gone).

If you feel this has been already thoroughly discussed in a specific thread please do link me to it.
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>>9565082
You were thinking of reading an encyclopedia entry? Don't hurt yourself studying too hard
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1) Yes, his endgame was life afirmation
And he is not irrational, he just doesnt think that reason is human beings superior and universal trait

2) people disregard his last works because they show his most radical side and because of the sister thing, and we have had the original work for a long time
He wasnt "gone" until the horse thing
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>>9565082
>clearly mentally gone
Its true, thankfully we have enough refugees who will enlighten us and since our births are stagnating and the world is getting overpopulated(by us white people) muslims will fix everything!
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>>9565082
Walter Kaufmann said the same of Hegel, calling him a 'poet' of Dante's caliber-- in his early intellectual bio Hegel.

Elisabeth edited Will to Power, which, of Nietzsche's books, is the most philosophy-like, and therefore arguably the most difficult. Certainly the longest.
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>>9565082
Please read the link that you provided and report back only then
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>>9565082
Benedetto should have read Nietzsche and the Greeks more. All you have to do is read his Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks, Twilight of the Idols, Beyond Good and Evil, Human All Too Human and then explore the Greeks a bit, to see where Nietzsche is coming from.

Not to say he's not allowed to have that perspective, but from Nietzsche's perspective, he is not only a philosopher but one of the only philosophers since the Greeks, and he explains how... an explanation that is pretty fucking sound.
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1) yes
2) modern editions have reedited the works with a closer adherence to nietzsche's outlines at the time. only editions from around 1900-1950 could be said to still contain elisabeth's anti-semitic intentions
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>>9565279
Speaking of the Greeks I can't understand his critique of Socrate, he seems to be accusing him and Plato of separating the person from his life in a way, he seems to accuse him of infusing false optimism in people (??)

But if I understood this correctly, wouldn't it be instead that Socrate helped people by having them realize just how much they don't know, by defusing their false sense of who they are and what they know, making them reevaluate their values, dropping them into a sort of chaos even, unlike sophists and their false sense of certainties.
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>>9565204
>Walter Kaufmann said the same of Hegel, calling him a 'poet' of Dante's caliber-- in his early intellectual bio Hegel
>Dante = Hegel
Levels of autism that reach the stars
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>>9565279
You don't think Birth of Tragedy is necessary? It has the whole apolinian/dyonisian thing
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>>9565082
Croce was a brainlet who never understood Nietzsche, the first Nietzsche (Die Geburt der Tragödie aus dem Geiste der Musik) really is an aesthet (he even jokes about it in the preface) but the interesting parts are after the Unzeitgemässe Betrachtungen
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>>9565082
>A famous italian philosopher, Benedetto Croce said that Nietzsche is a poet and that he should not be called philosopher

Funny how he's a "Famous Italian philosopher" yet I've never heard of him yet I've heard of Nietzsche.
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>>9566221
No one said he was more famous than Neetch, you not knowing Croce who is a famous philosopher just shows that you are ignorant.
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>>9566221
You should try reading more
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>>9565602
>It has the whole apolinian/dyonisian thing

Not the person you're replying to, but how much of that divide actually relates to his later work? e completely different ideas. It seems that he just abandons that entire line of thinking at some point, even if his hard on for Dionysus remains.
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>>9566221
Keep your head confined in your poor little certainties, we're fine
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>>9565110
This entry is 17,543-word long, so approximately 40 pages. It is therefore longer than most critical essays published in specialised reviews, it deals with the whole system of thought of Nietzsche, and it is very well sourced. Since OP said he didn't have time at the moment to read primary sources, what better source would you recommend to get acquainted with this philosopher, you grand scholar?
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>>9565453
>he seems to be accusing him and Plato of separating the person from his life in a way
Socrates and Plato are dualists, separating the psyche from soma. Nietzsche hates the mind-body dualism with a passion.

They also attacked the sophists. Sophists like Protagoras would say that: "Man is the measure of all things." Nietzsche also acknowledges that you need (the perspective of) a man to attribute (a) value to something. Again, Socrates and Plato, the great dividers, separate value from man and his perspective.

I wonder how many people after Nietzsche even disagree with Protagoras.
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