Who else here is tired of how politics inevitably shits on every

>>9561791
I'm more tired of people injecting politics where it doesn't belong and injecting different ideas into politics.

Hmm. I've never noticed this before. I dread that fact that I finally did.

>>9561798
This.
>But anon, politics is everything.
Indirectly everything is connected to everything, kys obfuscator.

>>9561798
>>9561870
OP here, I do not disagree with you, but with such posts we're already getting into the umpteenth thread about politics. This makes me sad.

>>9561791
Did this come from a generic white girl quote generator?

>>9561899
Mostly yes.

>>9561791

stop being so political and "thinkey" all the time, why can't we all just get along?

t. literal female

Tired? This is just the beginning.

Politics shits on nothing, it reveals everything. Zero-sum games exist, the universe is a morally hazardous place.

>>9561918
How can people ever be able to get along when nearly everyone is uncomfortable with their own self?

>>9561980
Speak for yourself.

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>>9561980

dank teenage platitude my dude

keep spittin that real shiz

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Politics is just an extension of aesthetics. If you value beauty and grace, you're a right-winger. If you resent beautiful and graceful people, you're a left-winger.

>who here doesn't know who percy bysshe shelley is
probably a lot of people, sadly, teenagerOP. try crying more often and being vegetarian and anarchy might start looking as fun as fucking mary shelley

>>9561988
You don't understand people at all >>9561992
Neither do you. Poor bastards

>>9561993
Not really

>>9561998

>young boy with chip on shoulder continues to be tedious

Very unexpected!

>>9561993
I just don't want politics in my way and you keep throwing it at me, you get it?

>>9562019

>continues to willingly post about politics when he claims that he doesn't want to deal with it

No, I don't get it. Because you talk one way and patently act the other.

>>9561954
kys useful idiot

>>9561918
>why no get along
Biology, competition for resources, "democracy."

>>9561919
Could augmented reality be our savior instead of a literal species-erasing hell? Are we living in the prequel to The Matrix?

>>9561791
I am. Just... do your best to tune it out. Make art. Put some wonder back into the world for someone else to enjoy.

>>9562032
Thank you anon, I like your suggestion (or rather, confirmation).

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>>9562032
here's the next step in your aesthetic journey

>>9562056

Teenage posters are the worst lmao.

Avoiding partisan politics that other people misguidedly invest themselves in doesn't give you a pass to ignore the hidden systems of power that subsist behind that. Study and become truly informed or be a weak-thinking rube pussywillow who just wants to make nice fee fees in the world.

>>9562060
Here's yours.
http://www.zoosbook.com/

>>9562073
You really believe someone who makes a thread like this is not truly informed. Really shows how you're falling behind.

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>>9562060
Here's the next step in yours. Hope you've washed your asshole anon. Anything less than a technological renaissance, guided by artists, that destroys our current genres and creates a completely new Western hemisphere will not suffice. Until then we have to put up with old world nihilist post-structuralist faggots like you whose only product is LOL LIKE SOCIETY MAN.

I hope you die in your sleep.

>>9562089

>You really believe someone who makes a thread like this is not truly informed. Really shows how you're falling behind.

You post like an actual bitch. You want to disregard all the systems that continue to control you and others behind the veil (and tacitly condone their control over humanity by proxy) and you become catty and passive aggressive when any anon would dare suggest that you are equally responsible in understanding these forces and what they do to you and all others.

Study or don't, but don't expect other men to placate your lackadaisical mediocrity on the matter.

>>9562095
if there's one thing artists are great at it's guiding social movements

>>9561791
Politics aren't some separate entity for cosy little libdem end of history last man life you're living, anon. That stuff is drenched in politics.

Our theories and what we talk about must not be confused for real life. Politics is something that affects us whether we like it or not, whether we are tired of talking about it or not. Some people seem to think politics is about talking of what the president should do or what law we like and dislike. How your household is organized, how your neighbourhood is arranged, how you seat in school, how your boss talks to you. All of that is politics and politics is in everything. The importance of that is that if you stop talking about politics, "what others are talking about", so to speak, affects you even so. If you choose not to learn the history of the people and things around you and how this political arrangement came to be, you get less and less armed with tools to help you get rid of unpleasant and unfair situations. They are normalized and suck the life out of you.

While talking about politics can be about namedropping politician's names or regurgitating what you've heard in your social media bubble at whatever occasion, to talk about politics is a lot more than that and a lot more subtle too, sometimes beautifully so. When a teacher sits with hers or his students to debate their grades, that's politics. When people are told it is okay for them not to be neutral, that they are allowed to take sides and encouraged to give their opinion, you would have to approach it so that even those who disagree are listening. That's politics. The problem is that the opposite approach ("I talk, you listen" , "if you disagree, get out") is also politics and it will affect you just the same, but in the guise of "not being politics".

To be tired of politics getting in the way of things can only come from someone who once did not see politics in as many things as today. But it was always there in everything, so the question is not how can we stop politics from getting in the way of things, that's not the actual event, not what happened. The question is what do I do with the realization that it is involved in everything? How will I engage with it? What will I ignore? Why does it bother me?

>>9562122
Nice post! Except it's a pile of horseshit.

>>9562115
Banana

>>9562095

If anything the world needs to undergo an esoteric revolution. Not an artistic one. Art is merely an adjunct of the spiritual -- not the final ends.

You post with all the hubris and arrogance of a teen. I bet you are, too.

>>9562115
>systems that continue to control you

Not that anon, but okay Alex Jones. It's going to take a lot more than "being informed" and having an opinion to change the systems you're talking about. You must create new systems that draw power away from the old. This can most easily happen through new technologies. The potential of social media has barely been tapped. Stop trying to sound smart and offer a solution. Anything. A suggestion. An interesting idea. A phrase. Go.

>>9561993
>If you value beauty and grace, you're a right-winger.
Yes, clearly a picture of Pepe the frog saying "cuck" is the pinnacle of art.

>>9562138
>implying art is not the language of the soul and symbols do not have immediate and incredible power

fuck off anon, adults are talking

>>9562132

>Banana

le quirky response from navel-gazing child.

Keep thinking you're too euphoric to study these things if you want. Your call.

>>9562150
HRC dingdong detected. Frogposters are useful idiots. Warm bodies attending keyboards. Shareblue's opposite. They don't make new ideas, they just reee into eternity.

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>>9561791
Are you sure it is politics, and not ideology?

>>9562150
It's extremely artful to mock self-righteous totalitarians using crude, irreverent humor.

>>9562151

I knew it. You are a teen.

You won't understand much of anything related to the those matters if you aren't pursuing genuine gnosis.

You're all talk, son.

>>9561791
If everything is subject to politics is ugly, how is anything beautiful? Sounds like a classic false dichotomy to me senpai.

>>9561791

This is what democracy does. It means we all have to be a part of the political process, even if it's stupid. In truth, most people really don't want to think about it, but nobody wants to admit that democracy just kind of sucks.

>>9562163
I like that painting. Why though? What does it represent?

>>9562178
Educate me anon. Tell me the first step on the path to gnosis. All I've heard from you is meaningless bluster. Tell me your solutions, master.

>inb4 HURR HURR THAT IS FOR YOU TO FIND OUT

>>9562186
Yeah, nobody really wants to think about it, so just stop. Fuck this thread, OP wants you to get out.

>>9562198
Leave him alone, it's so much better...

>>9562198

Do your own bloody homework -- I did.

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THE THREE PRIME PRECEPTS OF THE HERO: TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT, TO ERADICATE “EVIL”, TO ACTUATE THE “GOOD”.

>>9562217
meh

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>>9562209
W E W
E
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>>9562234

>in a state of incredulity over not being spoonfed

Figures.

>>9562220
THE IGNOBLE ASKS QUESTIONS WITHOUT CARING FOR ANSWERS, NOR FOR THE CAPABILITY TO ANSWER THEM —THE IGNOBLE WALLOWS IN IGNORANCE.

TO THE IGNOBLE, EPISTEMOLOGICAL CONVOLUTION SUBSTITUTES ONTOLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE.

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>>9562241
Does an old, ugly, facebook-tier meme puts you up to leave this thread?

>>9562254

>gets mad because he lives under the mistaken impression that other men actually owe him esoteric knowledge

If you want it you'll go get it. It's honestly that simple.

>>9562265
for what it's worth your example in derailing this thread sets me to pondering stimulation and satisfaction. how can the base mortal's ego be placated and my ends achieved. by what internet currency can simpletons be made to agree or disagree. you're not totally useless, anon.

incidentally top shelf is mine. i've read everything there at least twice. your professorial rumblings have so far been backed by nothing. really, go fuck yourself or don't. just stop being so fucking uninteresting.

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>>9562291
Forgot pic because booze. Now I really don't even want to show it to you. You don't deserve to be catered to. Accept this birb instead.

>>9562217
That sounds like a lot of work, think I'd rather stay at home and masturbate to cartoons.

Read Gorgias.

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>>9562291
>>9562299

Rage all you want but you won't be getting very far in this arena with an attitude like that.

Men don't owe you anything here. They don't owe me anything, either. Why is it so hard for you to wrap your head around this fact?

>>9562355
>>9562347

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>>9562355
Anon! Look at this foot! Omg!

>>9562361

Yeah I know this exchange has already gone on for far too long. Let's just leave it now.

to me socialism is so obvious

what's the major source of conflict in the world? lack of resources. so why not contribute together so we all have enough? that way we can reduce conflict and live in peace

>>9562370
because defection is the dominant strategy in the one-shot prisoner's dilemma

>>9562370
Unfortunately, it's slightly more complicated than that. Sounds nice, but unrealistic. Nature equals conflict.

>>9562370
you're just right anon, but anyone who has read a political article on some magazine will come up shitting without mercy on your words. They wouldn't, though, if you were 10 years old.

>>9562383

is it really that complicated? i mean, the richest people in the world have way, way, way more money than they will ever need. by holding onto it, they are causing so much death and pain and conflict. imagine if that money was used to feed more people

>>9562394
the shitters are going to call your post "bait", just be prepared

>>9562370
H U M A N N A T U R E

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>>9562394
Your first mistake is in thinking it's simply about rich and poor (class) instead of biologically based groups of people with different abilities and interests (race).

And we've been feeding the world for decades, and it's going to give us pic related. Feeding people who can't feed themselves only makes things worse.

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>>9562421
The snitchy cat is watching you!

Leftists really believed that they could politicize everything and no one would fight back. And now that they've taken over all neutral spaces of discussion, they ask us to stop politicizing things and just go back to venues where anti-communists can be rightly mocked and targeted for persecution.

No. Fuck you.

>>9562421

But scientists agree that race is not a real thing.

>>9562370
human biodiversity.

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>>9562467
No they don't.

Inuit are biologically different from Masai, for example. No one denies this.

>>9562370
>what's the major source of conflict in the world? lack of resources
Completely untrue

People have always had more than they needed

Malthusians have been wrong forever

Human beings are contentious by nature, an underlying cause is not necessary and can readily be fabricated

>>9562464
>leftists

nobody serious talks like this

>>9562370
>to me socialism is so obvious
>what's the major source of conflict in the world? lack of resources. so why not contribute together so we all have enough? that way we can reduce conflict and live in peace
To me it's obvious you're another child who knows absolutely nothing about history or economics but is SO FUCKING READY to volunteer their GENIUS opinion.

>>9562163
Is it Ilya Repin?

>>9562506
>muh economics REEEEE

quit hiding behind buzzwords and make an argument

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>>9562506
>taking a haughty shit on someone who spoke completely open and unassuming common sense

>>9562394
>imagine if that money was used to feed more people
Then this people make more people and now you have more hunger and famine. You are making it worst. The poor need to oraganize themselves and produce to feed themselves not receiving money. You are just making more crime and suffering. I'm not saying to not help the needed but charity is not the solution.

does it make anyone else sad that there's just so much suffering in the world. and we can't do anything about it. Even if you try to help more people, you can't feed them all, you can't heal them all. It's so depressing.

>>9562557
Not me. The world is this way for a reason. Those people suffer because of other people, and they'd readily trade places, the oppressed are not fundamentally different from their oppressors, it's all just circumstance and randomness with one constant, want and misery. People evil by nature, they deserve all they have.

>>9562557
one cool trick discovered by an antinatalist: people can't suffer if they never come into existence

>>9562536
>>9562536
>common sense
>completely contradicting all known human history
how can anyone this retarded even remember to breathe

>>9562566

Thats a pretty disturbing, but true thought. That the people we would want to help, would take our place in an instant.

>>9562579
it took you a really long time to complete that operation

>>9562600
Who do you even decide to help? To help one instead of another is an act of tremendous unfairness, hypothetically their circumstances are similar but one gets saved for free while the other is left to die. Before at least the world operated on rational parameters, ability and deserving, charity makes life arbitrary.

>>9562608
was busy having a historical logical foundation for my ideas

I wish you guys would be a little kinder to each other.

>>9562628
they started it

>>9562579
so much wew lads on here!!!

>>9562628
This is what the thread is meant for, my friend.

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>>9561791
>hurrdurr I hold no political opinions and contribute nothing therefore I'm not responsible for anything bad!

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>>9562664

I am just tired of politics in general. No matter what ideology, I cannot force myself to care about the masses anymore. Life sucks for me under democracy, life sucked more for my ancestors under feudalism, life sucked even more for the parents of my polish friends under both the Nazis and the Communists, etc. It doesn't matter, none of it fucking matters. Whatever political system my country happens to use doesn't change the inherent shittiness of life, it will not fix the core problems that fuck me up as a person. Hoping that life will get better after a revolution is just like hoping Jesus will come back, it probably won't fucking happen. Now if these /pol/fags would just let me masturbate to pixels on a screen that happen to look like two cartoon boys kissing each other.

>>9562628
But I have no reason to be kind to others as they are not me.

>>9562672
>tfw you will never be a horse and get ridden by sheltered affluent teenage girls one of whom in a misguided act of rebellion and self discovery decides to transgress your animal-master bond and fuck you with your massive horse-cock one day causing internal bleeding in and killing your well to do jockey rich girl causing you to be put down and turned into glue
why even live

Why do so many of you appeal to 'human nature'? I have never once seen a consistent definition for such a miraculous concept.

>>9561791

The world is dying with a retarded thrashing on the ground.

>>9562794
it's just a way of sneaking your conclusions in at the beginning

>>9562682
>tfw you're masturbating to procedurally-generated alien pixelscapes on amphetamines and they just happen to coalesce into shota right as the dean comes in

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>>9562150
you're just angry because leftist cucks only have tumblr memes

>>9562794
>I have never once seen a consistent definition for such a miraculous concept.
read more

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>>9562150

To the left, beauty and grace are just "constructs." You are actively making the world a browner, grayer, uglier place.

>>9561993
Politics is peacocking for the intellectually shallow.

I'm tired of posts on /lit/ that aren't about literature

>>9563116
Us on the right know that beauty and grace are physical things

>>9562497
Get used to it, bucko. Leftists made the urinoir a political issue and now it's backfiring on them.

>>9562370
Unless you are advocating for some kind of primitivism:
>Such a community works. It has worked for centuries, and we can see it at work under our very eyes in every monastic community. But it is to be noticed that these are cities of brotherly love because they were originally cities built up by love of the Father. It is further to be noticed
that material goods are shared without question because they are spurned.[...]
>Socialism seeks to restore this unity without the faith which causes it. It seeks to restore sharing as among brothers without contempt for worldly goods, without recognition of their worthlessness. It does not accept the view that consumption is a trivial thing, to be kept down
to the minimum. On the contrary, it adheres to the fundamental belief of modern society that there must be ever more worldly goods to be enjoyed, the spoils of a conquest of nature which is held to be man's noblest venture.[...]
>The moral seduction of socialism lies in the fact that it repudiates the methodical exploitation of the personal interest motive, of the fleshly appetites, of egoism, which held pride of place in the economic society it has undertaken to supersede; yet that, insofar as it has endorsed this society's pursuit of ever-increasing consumption, it has become a heterogeneous system, torn by an inner contradiction.
>If "more goods" are the goal to which society's efforts are to be addressed, why should "more goods" be a disreputable objective for the individual? Socialism suffers from ambiguity in its judgment of values: If the good of society lies in greater riches, why not the good of the individual? If society should press toward that good, why not the individual? If this appetite for riches is wrong in the individual, why not in society? Here, then, is at least a prima facie incoherence, indeed a blatant heterogeneity.
>Further, so long as the general purpose of society is the conquest of nature and the enjoyment of its spoils, is it not logical that this purpose should determine the characteristics
of that society? Is not society shaped by its predominant desire, by the end toward which it tends? Is it not possible that many unpleasant traits of society are functionally related to its basic purpose?[...]
>The productivist society may be likened to the military society. That which is meant for war must in its structure show characteristics appropriate to war. An army, or a military society, embodies many traits which are indefensible by the standards of a "good society." But military hierarchy and discipline cannot be done away with as long as victory remains the purpose-though of course they can be amended. In the same manner, there may be a relation between the structure of productivist society and its purpose. And there is much to be said for the view that socialism's higher aspirations were doomed when it accepted the general purpose of modern society -as Rousseau indeed foresaw.