>read more of the brothers Karamazov >a literal 13 year

>>9559430
t. 13 year old who read the Communist Manifesto

>>9559431

>not seeing that this is desperate shit, no matter what your political views
>not seeing that, as a literary joke, it was fucking boring so it failed in every way
>not knowing that I am pol

Bump

Is anyone going to actually talk about the book or just use it as pretension fuel?

Dostoevsky knew that any socialist/communist was truly a 13 year old at heart and portrayed them as such.
Based Dusty does it again.

Wasn't Dostoevsky a socialist revolutionary earlier in life?

>>9560852
My vote is for pretension fuel. Anyone else vote for pretension fuel?

>>9559430
Dosto made me believe in God. Every time life gets hard I think about Alyosha's kiss and realise all over again how profound it is to do something purely out of love. The fact that there doesn't always have to be a logical reason for something is perhaps the most comforting knowledge a man can possess. Sometimes we must surrender to whatever is above us.

>>9559430
socialists btfo

>>9560948
This, it's an allusion to his earlier views

>>9561136
>The fact that there doesn't always have to be a logical reason for something is perhaps the most comforting knowledge a man can possess
This, when I realized (thanks to Fyodor) that me making silly mistakes that I should've known not to do was all an integral part of being human it made my life better.
Commies BTFO

>>9561136
GOAT

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>>9561393
>>9561136

>the fact that there doesn't always have to be a logical reason for something is perhaps the most comforting knowledge a man can possess

Interestingly enough this is actually one of the conclusions of Stirners work - despite it coming from a very different angel

>liberalism BTFO by Demons
>utilitarianism BTFO by C&P and Notes
>atheism BTFO by TBK

Is there anything this man can't do?

>>9560857
This, based Dosto.

>>9562598
>Is there anything this man can't do?

Stop gambling

>>9560948
Not only that, he was condemned to death for it. When he was on the gallows about to die, the tsar commuted the sentence to exile in Siberia.

What you have to understand about Dostoevsky is that he's writing drama first, and everything else—the politics, philosophy, psychology—is secondary. This is why his characters are often so extreme like the child you are referring to, and the more famous characters like Ivan, Alyosha, Mitya, Stavrogin, Myshkin, Rogozhin, and so on. He creates a world where these extreme personalities and convictions converge, regardless of how unlikely it is for them to meet. You're expected to believe that these characters are realistic, and in truth they are. Precocious thirteen year olds do exist, and highly sensitive personalities exist, as do people who hold the views put forth in his works.

That's my opinion on what he's doing, anyway.

>>9562640
death by firing squad, but with blanks. gave him epilepsy.
People say his "aura" were a vital part of his insight into the mind and why his novels are such good psychological investigations.

>>9562615
I thought he quit after writing The Gambler

>>9562824
Nah, he did write it to pay off gambling debts though.

Is there anyone on this site older than 20?
Jesus Christ.

>>9562866
You can easily answer your own question by remembering your age

>>9560948
>Childhood is idealism and atheism.
>Adulthood is being religious.

>>9561136
This desu. Dostoevsky and Tolstoy made me re-adopt my religious faith and honestly I have never felt better in a while. After reading all of that bullshit existentialism and nihilistic philosophy, returning to the Russians brought me out of my existential crisis.

>>9559430
I'm at the same part anon, I really enjoyed it. Can't wait to see what Ivan's been up to and how him and Alyosha will interact.

>>9562899
What are your thoughts on the difference in christian outcome between tolstoy and dosto?

>>9562899
>>9562924
I've only read Notes from Underground and The Death of Ivan Ilyich by Dosto/Tolstoy, but I am absolutely in search/need of re-adopting my faith. Im very glad to see you suggest their works will help me achieve this.

What should I read by them, anything in particular?

>>9563000
For Tolstoy the "kingdom of god is within you" and "the gospels in brief" for Dostoevsky Crime and Punishment and the Brothers K

>>9563000
Crime and Punishment will objectively make your life better and help you reignite any lost faith.
Once you understand that the capability for redemption is within all of us, and that crime when met with punishment (sometimes physical, sometimes mental) will yield redemption through suffering, your life will improve. We all do our own "crimes" of a sort, and learning that we have to undergo some sort of restitution for them, and that we ARE able to be absolved of our crimes will help you regain faith immensely.

>>9563019
>Crime and Punishment will objectively make your life better and help you reignite any lost faith.

I would hesitate to project your experience onto others so fiercely that you oversell it. Tens of millions read reread and continue to read this without having their faith reignited

> will help you regain faith immensely.

I would argue that its value lies more in its analogy for how love impacts the sinner and the false promises of liberalism.

>>9563035
I agree, I am projecting a lot of my own experiences into that post, but I would stand behind the fact that it has good lessons to teach that can make ones life better.

>>9563066
>but I would stand behind the fact that it has good lessons to teach that can make ones life better.

Undoubtedly but there is a big difference between that and

"Crime and Punishment will objectively make your life better and help you reignite any lost faith."

Even when it comes to things like the bible I tone things down because the last thing you want to do is give someone false expectations because unmet expectations is are the quickest to disappoint or turn someone sour on something they might otherwise be open to.

If I tell someone the Bible is the most important book they will ever read and it show them the truth of Christ and fill them with the Holy Spirit unless they are already a christian 9/10 times they will burn out before even getting past the Pentateuch.

>>9563087
A fair point
even though you're correct about the Bible

>>9561911
Didn't know that, thanks anon, I'll check him out now.

Why are there so many quotes in this thread, yet nobody is quoting anyone?

I read the first five parts of book 11 right now. It's pretty bad. It was a few chapters of hysterical women talking nonsense, which I think was Dostoevsky parodying popular opinion of his day. There was a chapter with Dmitri being crazy and anither swipe at socialism (I'm not a socialist). Then a bit with Ivan that I have already forgotten.

>>9563894
Why do people like you bother coming into threads like these. It is literally not a bad book, and that is not a subjective opinion. You are literally and objectively wrong if you call this book bad.

>>9563954

>coming in to threads like these

But I am OP

REE REE SHUTUP SHUTUP MUH HUMAN CONDISHUN

>>9559430
Hmm a 13-year old spouting atheism and socialism. BUT...a thirteen year old could actually have these opinions at such a young age , could he??

Maybe Dosty is making a statement about the maturity and lack of intellectual development amongst those who hold atheistic and socialist beliefs...naah, he's probably giving an accurate account of 13-year olds in Russia. You're right anon, crazy Dosty !!

>>9562641
That's a really good point.

Not thirteen! Fourteen, in two weeks

>>9564262
Kek. This was actually a perfect way of capturing precocious youth.

>>9564262

So you be saying...
*Becomes animated and hysterical*
we sum kinna...
*saves a prostitute*
...we be like...
*Trashes socialism with a strawman that's like a parody of a parody*
and then we like...
*falls in to bed with a fever for six weeks*
an Jesus says...
*floats the idea of subjective morality with utter disbelief for the fiftieth time that chapter*
an dey be like all...
*repeats a word or phrase incessantly to torment another character (whiskbroom, Von sign)*
ayo hol up lemme see where we at...
*Stupid female characters exist solely to parrot the stupid views of Dostoevsky's time in boring walls of text*
WE WUZ DOSTOEVSKY CHARACTERS AN SHEET!?

>>9561911
>posts on /lit/
>can’t spell

>>9559430
I really like how the book ends with a kids dog dying and then them eating pancakes. I literally read this book in a mental hospital (because being in a mental hospital is like purgatory, there is not a goddamn thing to do) and yeah. The real problem with this novel is that Ivan the big bad atheist goes insane. Doestoevsky just couldnt let an atheistic character be sane.

>>9564864
>I really like how the book ends with a kids dog dying and then them eating pancakes
How can someone miss the point this much?
>Doestoevsky just couldnt let an atheistic character be sane
Because they aren't sane.

Every philosophical novel is just a parade of strawmen desu

>>9564872
explain then what point having pancakes was

or are you refering to the religious nonsense
muh grand inquisitor made me believe in God again, stfu

>>9564889
Leave this place.

>if my beliefs are not presented in a positive light, it's a strawman
Sasuga, atheists. Stay butthurt.

>>9564891
in all honesty I forgot all about the little boy dying. It was 5 or 6 years ago since I read it, and I have forgotten most of the plot. Other than muh grand inquisitor.

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>ITT: people too tired of life to be non-religious anymore.

>all of his books utterly BTFO communism and socialism
>only Demons and Diary of a Writer were censored in the Soviet Union
How did Based Dusty do it?

>>9564062
Why bother even contributing at all then