Is it easy to read La Divina commedia se l'italiano non

>>9557559
Io no sò.

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>>9557563
>Io no sò.

>>9557559

Yes it's easy to read in English. English is your first language right?

>>9557568
>English is your first language right?
Nope :)

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>>9557559
>2017
>Non sa leggere in italiano

At least use a side by side translation ffs.

>>9557559
The fuck would you ever do that for? Thats the same shit when muslims tell you to read the arabic version of the Quran because the english version is "mistranslated and portrays islam in correctly". The divine comedy is fantastic every line of it, but you don't need to read it in its native language to appreciate it to its fullest.

>>9557579
This

>>9557579
però so leggere in italiano, ma non so se il vocabulario è molto difficile per essere un testo dell'età medievale

>>9557580
>Thats the same shit when muslims tell you to read the arabic version of the Quran because the english version is "mistranslated and portrays islam in correctly"
>in correctly
rly makes one think

>>9557648
Well, I fucked up. I'll promptly go rethink my life.

What English version should I get

jaja el hombre pizza

>>9557689
perro caca

>>9557648
But then again, both the english and arabic version make it out to be a death cult. Mudslimes will lie to you and tell you otherwise.

>>9557700
that was my point, muslims don't want people to see the correct version of islam

>>9557689
KEK

>>9557706
Amen, Brother

>>9557580
Dante was a poetry virtuoso, a master craftman and an incredible erudite: the choice of words, phonems and syntax are all deliberate, and they are all lost in translation.
Reading Dante in English is equal to reading Dante for the plot.

>>9557752
Thats the same thing they said about the prophet Muhammed.

>>9557763
So?
Dante's craft is truly prodigious, and it has been studied thoroughly for 700 years now: it's a main aspect of his art. It's like reading Shakespeare in Italian: sure, you'll understand the characters and the plot, but you will still lose most of this aesthetic experience in the process.

>>9557774
I get what you're trying to say, but you don't need to learn a second language to fully appreciate it.

>>9557752
>Reading Dante in English is equal to reading Dante for the plot.
>implying this is a bad thing

>>9557559
Puoi riuscirci solo se usi un'edizione annotata in italiano contemporaneo. L'italiano di Dante è difficile

>>9557826
sai una buona edizione annotata?

>>9557572
What is then?

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>tfw too stupid to learn another language
Should I just kill myself?

>>9557845
weird meme considering Hitler shot himself

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>>9557831
Quella della Mondadori è molto buona

https://www.ibs.it/divina-commedia-inferno-libro-dante-alighieri/e/9788804546542?inventoryId=68826404

https://www.ibs.it/divina-commedia-purgatorio-libro-dante-alighieri/e/9788804546535?inventoryId=68826403

https://www.ibs.it/divina-commedia-paradiso-libro-dante-alighieri/e/9788804546528?inventoryId=68826402

>>9557841
HEHUEHUEUHEHUe

>>9557774
>>9557752
So bored of this shitty meme.

>>9557884
So bored of your shitty presence.

>>9557865
grazie mille! proverò a prendere questa edizione qua in Brasile, credo che sarà difficile e doverò importare dall'Italia

>>9557781
>to fully appreciate it
If you want to fully appreciate it you have to know Italian, that's what I'm saying. Just like for Shakespeare, a great chunk of the creativity and insight of this art is contained in the craft, of which Dante is one of its most revered contributors.

>>9557884
Too bad that you're wrong.

>>9557901
Si trova anche su ebay, bello

>>9557878
Buy the Landmark edition, you burro do caralho.

>>9557902
>Too bad that you're wrong.
Wrong about being bored of a shitty meme?

>>9557907
ah vero :)

>>9557926
Bring your shitty presence outta here pls

mama mia pastacholi meatabolli bippity boopo

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>>9557962

>>9557962
Question for Italians ITT: is there an equivalent for retard speak like this but in English by Italians?

>>9557984
This might be relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj5TL1l9QYQ

>>9557994
10/10 reply

>>9557926
its not a meme you mongoloid, lots of great writers could read different languages and read classics in their original, like joyce for instace, or thoreau, that talks a bit in his book about 'having' to read the iliad in the original greek to properly enjoy it, which he did.

It's-a me, Mario!

>>9558019
It is a shitty meme. Everyone is already well aware that something is lost in translation, and no one is asserting the contrary.

Given there are many Italians ITT: how do you rank your main poets?

Dante is king, but who's number two? Leopardi? Ariosto? And then who? Tasso?

>>9558541
Ungaretti. Fuck all the rest, including Dante.

>>9558560
I'm asking for the common meme ranking in Italy, not for your personal opinion (which is sensible surely) tbqhwyl

>>9558576
>implying that is a common sense about who's the first, the second, the third and son.

I'd say Leopardi, if I had to guess. But different ages means different values. We don't put all them on the same table. We aren't dumb bongs.

>>9558587
Of course, you don't need to rank them one by one; but I imagine Aretino or Angiolieri belong in a lesser tier compared to Tasso or Petrarca, right?

>>9558607
In terms of what, you fucker? Petrarca influentied others poets like no other poet of his time, be it italian or not.

>>9558611
In terms of being a good poet, duh.

The problem is that:

>Italy doesn't export its memes to the world
>contemporary scholars will never give the slightest opinion about who's better than who, to sound more "objective"
>non-scholars speak zero Italian and/or have no clue

...so we're stuck in a dilemma where Aretino = Ariosto, unironically, because no one will judge anything to establish some kind of hierarchy.

>>9558639
So what you want is a Bloom-like type of fag? We don't have those, thank god. Ariosto is "better" than Aretino because Orlando is bigger than anything Aretino ever wrote.

But you can't compare non-related poets. I mean, you could say Pound > Eliot, but could you say Pound > Milton? It would be a weird statement, for sure.

>>9558682
This reminds me of an infamous page where Dali coolly compares Picasso, Da Vinci, Mondrian, Velasquez and himself, by giving out marks like 13/20 or 19/20 to each one in different areas: inspiration, colour, originality, etc.