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I unironically like him more now. What a character
>He had avoided straight math classes at Amherst, afraid they might lower his grade point average.
>But Wallace was still interested in the ideas behind fiction, so he signed up his first semester for a class on the history of the English language, which prompted an attempt to write a story in Old English, and another class on literary theory that focused on Derrida’s Of Grammatology. In the last [seminar on literary theory at Arizona], when another participant called Derrida a waste of time, Wallace got so mad that everyone thought there would be a fight.
>His scholarship having ended, that fall Wallace had to teach. The prospect did not delight him. In his audio letter to his Amherst friends on arriving, he had declared the undergraduates at UA to be “roughly of an intelligence level of fairly damaged person.”
>In his undergraduate class, Wallace was kind to the clueless but cruel to anyone with pretensions. When a student claimed that her sentences were “pretty,” he scribbled lines from her manuscript on the blackboard and challenged, “Which of you thinks this is pretty? Is this pretty? And this?” He continued to battle any young man who reminded him of his younger self. When one student wowed his classmates with a voicy, ironic short story, he took him outside the classroom and told him he had “never witnessed a collective dick-sucking like that before.” Wallace promised to prevent the “erection of an ego-machine” and strafed the student with criticism for the rest of the semester.
>He was unusually self-confident, perhaps buoyed by a sense that Infinite Jest was on target. “You should know I am really really smart,” he told the English department members who met him. He sent a résumé with his publications and on the second page added entries for “REVIEWS IF ANYBODY CARES…” and “PRIZES &c (IF ANYBODY CARES…).”…During a question-and-answer session, when a faculty member asked why they should hire him, he responded, “Who else?” Then the faculty committee went out with him to a local Chinese restaurant, where he told the department char, Charlie Harris, a Barth expert, that Barth was dead.
>He’s [Camus's] very clear, as a thinker, and tough—completely intolerant of bullshit. It makes my soul feel clean to read him.
>When he told her [Mary Karr] he had put certain scenes into Infinite Jest because they were “cool,” she responded, “that’s what my fucking five year old says about Spiderman.”
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>reminder that if you're not a Derrida scholar, you'll never make it
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he's all the failings of /lit/ collected and personified
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>>9510265
>but cruel to anyone with pretensions
No wonder he killed himself.
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>claims people use irony to cover themselves up
>writes sincerely
>a vocal group of people hate him
makes you think
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>>9510286
>writes sincerely
if you think wallace was sincere in anything but his suicide you are living in a fantasyland
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>>9510265
here's some more:
>Good as the visit was, Wallace still did not expect to get the job. “I alert you in advance,” he had joked in a note to Harris when he first applied, “that I am both caucasian and male.”
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>>9510299
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Sounds like a pathetic, meek and sad individual, I wonder if he was into cuck porn
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>>9510366
he wasn't self aware or secure enough to appreciate based cuck porn
DFW is that dude who would get drunk and tricked into letting 3 dudes fist him and then wake up the next day and write many private letters to himself about how it both does and doesn't bother him and then burn the letters
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>>9510265
>he abused his students
Wow, what a piece of human garbage.
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You can't not love/hate this guy
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WELCOME TO THE WATER xD
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>At some point in the late 1990s, Wallace hired a prostitute. It was a logical step for a writer who was interested in the point where sex and marketing met. Plus it was an opportunity for a new experience. Wallace negotiated a price of $200 but when he got into bed with the woman he lost his desire. “We sort of ‘cuddled and talked’ instead,” he wrote Evan Wright, who had helped him with his adult entertainment awards article for Premiere in 1999; “she was nice about it.”
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>>9510265
>>He had avoided straight math classes at Amherst, afraid they might lower his grade point average.
what a little bitch, dude is a pseud
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>>9511423
it's called prioritizing.
He was a philosophy major.
He had his friend Corey do all the mathematical proofs for his concepts. Delegation and compromise are key facets of success, not that any bed-room-bound Neets would understand that.
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>>9511431
>tfw ywn come up with concepts that are so cool that need mathematical proof
why live
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>>9511431
t.pseud
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>>9511447
it was really just for one essay in college, but they remained friends for life.
I believe Corey (who was black) ended up working for NASA
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>>9511448
I'm more than proud to be called a "pseud" by a completely comfortable loser.
I feel like i'm doing something right.
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>>9511455
what was the concept
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>>9511466
fate, time and language
it's an essay.
look it up.
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>>9511460
>completely comfortable loser
Ah yes! The pseud lies to the air to feel comfortable with himself, how ironic!
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>>9511470
Did that essay singehandly change the curse and understanding of philosophy for ever?
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>>9511472
I never claimed to be anything but a successful person.
I'm literally 100% sure you can't compare.
So I'm the pseud.
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>>9511475
philosophy is essentially a waste of time, so no.
but that's not the point.
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>>9511481
>success spook
>implications
Yes indeed, you are the pseud
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>>9511490
>arguing with a spookfag
alright I'm out.
Just remember that breathing is a spook but somehow God is not you fucking moron.
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>>9511496
Suit yourself pseud, breathing is not a spook btw
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>>9511475
It was a thesis, m8. Those things never change the course of anything.
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>>9511512
is math a spook?
because by basic math and my use of the non-spook breaths I contribute much more to society than you in my success.
But you're living in your moms basement absorbed in delusions, i get it. The ego is enough for the lonely man (absolutely a spook though)
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>>9510265
Holy shit.
Hes like every single bad 80's villian character trope.
I wonder if he voted for Reagan.
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>>9511535
he did actually.
He was published at 25 and had a superiority complex what do you expect.
What successful 27 year old dates a 40 year old author who wrote about her promiscuous youth and already had a kid by some indian guy? You gotta be severely disturbed i think
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>>9511521
>when the anon that started insulting other anons gets so assblasted
Its finepseudyou can keep pretending that everyone except you is a loser here, is as you say "the ego is enough for the lonely man"
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>>9511549
If you only knew...
stay mad buddy.
I'm sure mommy's coming with the folded clothes soon, relax.
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>>9511555
"i-i'm very i-important y-you idiot!!"
Nobody is mad here but you
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>>9511559
I'm always mad.
But spookfags are the worst, they're litearlly always defensive NEETS.
Some spooks are worth respecting, power is one.
There is no power in what you're doing.
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>>9511568
It's easy to say that.
His fiction oeuvre is very respectable given the small time span in which he worked.
You probably haven't read him.
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>>9511565
>they're litearlly always defensive NEETS.
How do you know that? we are in an anonymous forum
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>>9510265
If Wallace had only openly been more of an asshole and been unashamed of it, maybe he wouldn't have killed himself and maybe his work/persona wouldn't have been so strangely conflicted and tortured. Honestly, elitism is good for some people, it sounds pretentious but certain people, if they're not elitist, try to trick themselves that they're humble people and then eventually commit suicide, more or less.
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>>9511584
You can just tell by the kind of people who need to use that logic.
It's just egoism but not even a mean kind, its a dismissive thing.
The kind of attitude that leads people to become neets one day without even realizing.
Philosophy students have this problem and tend to end up there.
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>>9511593
>Its a dismissive thing
So, like
>not that any bed-room-bound Neets would understand that.
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>>9511607
There's a time and place to be dismissive.
Like i said, i respect the spook of power (much of which is achieved through compromise and delegation).
There is no power in being an overly-philosophizing NEET so I rightfully dismiss you.
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>>9511580
I've talked to so-called IJ fans and apparently knew more about the damn book than the fans themselves. Especially with the >footnotes< section, which apparently most of them didn't bother with. He was good in some respects, but he was mediocre. Definitely a period piece writer.
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>>9511611
Define power, and you don't know if those anons are really NEETs so your insult is invalid, maybe you're the NEET pretending to be successful...really makes you think
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>>9511631
Well, you certainly don't understand it as well as me I can assure you (I've read it many times)
Oblivion, Hideous Men, and The Pale King are all better, more mature works.
Infinite Jest is like his pop-song.
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>>9511639
nah I'm good.
Money/influence/sex is power.
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>>9511611
>There is no power in being an overly-philosophizing NEET
Oh but you are deeply mistaken.
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>>9511489
>implying you can gain time
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>>9511644
all of his fiction is terrible. you'd realize this if you weren't so terrible yourself.
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>>9511661
thats definitely not even an implication of that statement. it's the opposite really.
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>>9511662
>hasn't read or understood it
are you a pynchon fan?
if so, it's a terrible irony.
if not, you really just are unqualified to say.
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>>9511672
>little man saying others are unqualified to talk on an anarchist lit board
sad, just sad
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>>9511681
it's not a true disqualification, it's just for all intents and purposes if you haven't read/understood pynchon you would be missing the frame of reference necessary to experience the work.
On the other hand, if you have read pynchon and dislike DFW you need to take a hard look in the mirror and realize you might be a bitter old man. They're so similar it'd be ironic to do so.
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>>9511693
you're the dumbest person i've ever met on /lit/.
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>>9511702
>hyperbole.
You are definitely mad.
Did I rub you the wrong way big boy?
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>>9510265
>secretly bragged about how smart he was, but lied to others about his SAT scores, was intellectually intimidated by actual math classes (might have something to do with the many errors in Infinite Jest and Everything & More), and only got into Amherst through his daddy
Kind of funny 2bh
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>"So my therapist recently advised me to "restrict" my self-awareness and take life "less seriously" to overcome my depression and existential crises. She thinks I lack the mental mechanism which prevents a young man from becoming too intelligent, too soon. I can't say I disagree, but I am also very hesitant to impose any restrictions on my intellect or the profound self-awareness it allows me to experience on a near-constant basis.Either I continue to be extremely intelligent, self-conscious, mentally liberated yet depressed or I resign myself to an extended period of intellectual mediocrity, willed ignorance and contentment. My therapist has been in the profession for some thirty years altogether, and she tells me that I am the only young person she has ever come across who struggles with such intense mental turmoil at such a young age. I told her I have always been a precocious individual but she insists that this isn't just a case of me being precocious, but rather a case (so she tells me) of me being so intelligent at such a young age that my brain has insufficient means, due to my neurobiology being underdeveloped for the type of thoughts and cognitive functioning I experience, that I am simply burdened by a kind of genius that it is almost impossible to bear without quote "burning out" or "falling to pieces". Needless to say she is very concerned (she treats me a little like a son, though I can't deny the fact that I've noticed a certain look in her eyes at times which suggests she is also attracted to me in an erotic sense) and has suggested that I take a break and either defer my studies for a year or become a voluntary patient at a mental health facility. But still, my native inclination is to avoid any triviality in life or any "easy going" form of philosophy which endorses physical pleasure over the riches of an organized and disciplined mental life. And this inclination is so powerful and my instincts to stubborn on this issue that I am afraid that it is unavoidable that I continue to be a genius and to suffer only as a genius is able to do, and I am consequently afraid that some form of breakdown is inevitable at this point."
-'Every Love Story Is A Ghost Story' p.96
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>>9511823
How old was he?
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>>9511823
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>>9511823
fucking kek
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>>9511830
26 at the time.
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>>9511852
PFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>9511854
you have to understand this was just 1 year after he got his first novel published and was preparing his short-story collection that the publisher simply didn't want.
The collection ended up being technically proficient but very kinda souless in a way, more or less the problem he complains about here. He had more knowledge than wisdom. It's easy to laugh at this as in the modern age it has become the common 4chan affliction. he's our posterboy, like it or not.
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>>9511823
Sounds delusional.
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>>9510366
Fuck off back to /pol/ retarded redditor. There's nothing wrong with cuck porn you sexually insecure prude.
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>>9511823
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>>9511823
>tfw so intelligent I JUST KNOW my therapist wants to fuck
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>>9510265
>When one student wowed his classmates with a voicy, ironic short story, he took him outside the classroom and told him he had “never witnessed a collective dick-sucking like that before.” Wallace promised to prevent the “erection of an ego-machine” and strafed the student with criticism for the rest of the semester.
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This is all fake.
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>>9511823
he was on drugs, not the high point of the dude's life. It's still fascinating in a savage sense though
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>>9511932
Want to try my fist going in and out your asshole to see if its fake you fucking homosexual?
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>>9511932
No im sorry to say, this is all real.
Not even trolling.
I like DFW but you gotta understand how someone becomes someone like him.
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DFW is the perfect example of an intelligent idiot.
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>>9511932
Nope. Give the bio a read.
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based davo
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>>9511823
>thinking he wasn't aware of the bravado and arrogance and amplified it intentionally
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>>9511937
what drugs
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>>9511993
>thinking that makes a difference
look its a moron
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>>9510292
is that you Bret?
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>>9511995
he did a lot of hard drugs regularly on top of alcohol and various anti-depressants.
I kinda do think he was somewhat of an ubermensch
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>>9512004
Is there a list? I want to know if he out-drugged me
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>>9512004
he was and that's why neechee was a moron.
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>>9512010
nah but we know he did a lot of methamphetamine stimulants and hallucinogens.
Did Heroin for a period for research purposes.
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>>9512022
need to get some stims on my list then
but I don't know where to get anything that isn't cocaine
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>>9512033
He did coke too.
Especially during IJ.
The meth was more in college.
btw can you hook me up with some coke im definitely not the feds and kinda serious
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>>9512037
Man, I miss the times when I was an idiot and didn't care about anything and did drugs without feeling guitly
Life is so boring now
call the cops i dont give a fuck
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>>9510265
He also threw a coffee table at Mary Karr so hard that it smashed to pieces on the wall next to her. Crazy shit.
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>>9512055
>ywn be that redpilled on women
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>>9512049
cool heres my email
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>>9512065
sent
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>>9512055
I called my mom a stupid bitch in 2014 because she didn't know what semiotics meant after I insisted she tell me during an argument about something unrelated. Still feel bad about it.
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>>9512067
youre lying
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where the fuck did he find the power to go write and do well in academia when he was so depressed
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>>9512090
i suspect that a lot of his depression was driven by his cruelty and vanity
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read "Bough Down" by his widow.
He apparently punched her tooth out one night while he cried. It was shortly before his death. It had a crown.
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>>9512090
What do mean he did well in academia. He was just a better than average teacher at a dumpster school and then a good school.
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>>9512095
the guy you replied to (me) is a dropout
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>>9512095
>he was just better than average
He was a double-major and both his of his thesis(es?) were successful, one later becoming an acclaimed novel at only age 25.
Fucking Terry Gilliam wanted to make a film of it.
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>>9512100
He left Amherst for a semester or a year or whatever because he was depressed.
I'd say his problems were overstated, but ya know, he demapped himself.
I think he was able to power through it because he got a lot of attention for doing well, people were sucking his cock and he felt he owed his parents and he got good grades.
Just find something and let it obligate you.
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>>9512110
I guess we don't think of academia the same way. And why are you so jazzed about Gilliam?
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>>9512126
He's a respected British mainstream art-film director. The fact that he'd want to work with a 25 year old american's work in the 90s says something.
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>>9512120
I'm just so unspooked out, man
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>>9512132
. . .ok
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>>9512141
Diet Pepsi is a hell of a drug.
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>>9512141
>falling for the anti-meme
he knew it got out of hand and tried to cover it up but it really did happen. Up until his death really.
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>>9512152
It was a rumor that he kept alive by denying it poorly to make his history seem more interesting and tortured
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>>9512155
Damn DFW was a fucking pseud, is Infinite Jest actually good?
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>>9512155
nah you haven't read his entire body of work.
The Pale king kinda paints the picture.
His main problem was stimulants, but he definitely did Hallucinogens, it's too clear. The overly-vocal loud-speaker character in IJ was literally named after his choice of drug.
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>>9512165
>Infinite Jest is all about drug addiction
n-no he never had a drug addiction
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>>9512155
read bough down by his widow.
She explicitly mentions how even in his 40s he occasionally indulged
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> it is unavoidable that I continue to be a genius and to suffer only as a genius is able to do
why did he write this if he was so self aware senpai ?
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>>9512022
>meth
Lol someone who was frightened of LSD did meth? Gtfo you gullible goon
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>>9512221
Genius is a strange thing.
If you're successful, particularly when youre young, it's hard to avoid this classification.
Then you realize it doesn't mean anything outside of that, which I'm sure he did.
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>>9512224
Do you even know what meth is?
Meth is in adderal and drugs like obetroll too.
And he did do acid, and it terrified him as it does most people. It's supposed to.
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>>9511823
Wait isnt this that old pasta
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>>9512245
I got tricked good! Haha good one pasta anon! ;D
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>>9512224
this guy is a moron.
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>>9511611
You're a fucking retard. "Power", real power, that is, is not a spook but simply a worldly property/process. Stirner's philosophy might well be summed up as a simple amoral acknowledgement of the fact that you can have whatever is in your power to gain.
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>>9512270
oh okay so im a fucking retard because i believed in the spook thats not a spook so it doesn't matter that I belive it was a spook?
fucking spookfags make me sick
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>>9512273
You are a sad, strange little man.
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>>9512294
stay spooked.
I'm sure you'll think yourself right into a philosophy career and become a big man for mommy.
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>>9512234
>tfw you learned chemistry from Infinite Jest
>Adderall contains dextroamphetamine salts, the psychoactive chemical is Amphetamine. Meth is Methamphetamine. The difference between these two molecules is one methyl group. However, that extra group has a big impact on the drug's effects.
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>>9512322
I don't get it, did David made that post?
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>>9512328
obetroll (his drug of choice):
A formulation of amphetamine mixed salts that included methamphetamine
fag
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>>9512328
the effects are not that different you dummy.
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Can we write an infinite anthology of Wallace satires and call it a biography?
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>>9510265
>“You should know I am really really smart,” he told the English department members who met him.
you almost had me
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>>9512332
I assume, yes. In the bio it does say that he used the internet more at the end of his life, I think for researches
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>>9512371
no he really did say that actually.
That really is in the book.
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>>9512371
It actually happened.
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I always thought DFW was extremely cynical. an effect SSRIs have on intelligent people with their proportionally intelligent demons is they run wild undetected and they end up openly expressing their hatred and neuroticism under kind and soft names and strange philosophies of mature reconciliation. Seriously, the very first paragraph in IJ, it sounds like he's making fun of descriptive objects themselves.
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>>9512384
Uhhh I'm on SNRI right now and was on SSRI before. Should I be worried
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>>9512365
It can be written in a thesis format under the pseudonym Holden Caulfield and exclusively contain fictional anecdotes, paraphrasals and greentext stories starting from the womb to death.
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>tfw should be reading or studying but this thread is too fun
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>>9512390
The book where all the rest of it is from, Every Love Story is a Ghost Story
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>>9512393
Well, I feel overwhelmingly not in authority to recommend how someone live on /lit/, but based on Wallace who used SSRIs to propel his career I feel the evidence is inclined he would have degenerated like most bachelors otherwise and only through them was he able to represent underrepresented people and you can judge the successes for yourself. In general I'm sure they'll help you analytically and to attain things you wouldn't normally, but using Holy Basil and Jasmine like most of the world will get you by and preserve the imperative to experience newness if that matters for you.
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>>9512371
OP here. This is literally from the book. Here's the russian link I'm reading it from:
http://www.rulit.me/books/every-love-story-is-a-ghost-story-a-life-of-david-foster-wallace-read-413665-64.html
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>>9512422
Wallace didn't use SSRIs to propel his career, he used Mary. She mused him through all of it. He wrote IJ at a pretty lightning pace.
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>>9512433
>Mary Karr On Writing Memoirs: 'No Doubt I've Gotten A Million Things Wrong'
Damn... he really did trap her in his mind
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>>9510284
Lol
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>>9512004
The Ubermensch is a conquering creator. DFW is an uberbitch.
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>>9512433
>She mused him through all of it
non-native english speaker here, what does that mean?
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>>9512422
I appreciated that post anon, though I don't want you to feel like you have a responsibility or anything. It's hard to gauge how the medications really been affecting me since it's been so long since I started. I only have vague memories of the really intense and constant anxiety I had unmedicated. Used to be able to miss my dose sometimes on my old meds but these ones have withdrawal symptoms that are way too severe for me to do that.
Maybe I'll try drinking Holy Basil and Jasmine tea too, though. And read DFW.
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>>9512132
He's an American
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>>9512463
She was a muse for his work. She was the only reason he wrote IJ.
Greek muses, daughters of Mnemosyne.
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>>9510265
Wallace is a parable of everything not to do as an above-average intelligent individual in modern society.
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Is someone up to listen to some of his narrations on YouTube in a chatroom or something
i want to hear big red son
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>In the early 1990s, Wallace became obsessed with memoirist Mary Karr. Wallace got her name tattooed on his body,[41] and considered killing her husband, according to biographer D.T. Max.[42] The two later had a tumultuous relationship, during which, Karr reported, Wallace once threw a coffee table at her[41] and tried to push her out of a moving car.[41][42]
>Wallace struggled with drug and alcohol addiction, depression, suicide attempts, institutionalization, and at times inappropriate sexual behavior. He was reported to have slept with some of his female students while teaching at university and sometimes exhibited stalking-like obsessive behavior when enamored of a woman.[46]
>Born to atheist parents, Wallace attempted to join the Catholic Church twice but "flunk[ed] the period of inquiry", and later attended a Mennonite church.[48][49][50]
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>>9512516
WHAT LMAO
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Did Wallace even like reading?
I just can't imagine him enjoying Shakespeare or Whitman.
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>>9512510
I'd do that
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>>9511823
now I understand why his /lit/ fanbois hate any criticism of him
"just like me!"
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>>9511661
>implying you can't dilate time
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>>9512538
From the way he depicts himself he had like Harold Bloom tier reading speed. 500 pages a minute.
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>>9512510
I would too make a roomer duder
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>>9512579
make it pls
i dont have computer skills
which of his narations should we hear?
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>>9512510
His narration of the abridge CtL was great. I listen to all the time. His voice in that Austin essay ;-;
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>>9512584
https://www.watch2gether.com/rooms/welcometothewater-60t4ix13mfiquo3i3t will start when 10~ join + have created thread
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>>9511544
>What successful 27 year old dates a 40 year old author who wrote about her promiscuous youth and already had a kid by some indian guy? You gotta be severely disturbed i think
... is it wrong or a poor reflection on my mental state if I were to say that I would gladly ride his cock?
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>>9512577
he wrote in a letter to delillo that he reads embarrassingly slow. Not sure where you got that from
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>>9512577
>From the way he depicts himself
Exactly.
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>>9511544
She's wasn't bad desu.
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>>9512653
>tfw no qt milf /lit/ gf
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>>9511455
>(who was black)
what a weird thing to say
that piece of information doesnt even fit into anywhere
i bet youre a leftist
good for him tho; i imagine working at nasa must e preetty neato
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we are hearing IJ now
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this only confirms my theory that wallace's entire aesthetic is based on the classic humanities student's inferiority complex towards mathematical/scientific geniuses
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>>9510265
Who is the current incarnation of Wallace?
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>>9512694
I think it's more basic than that. Wallace just couldn't cope with being a (relative) mediocrity. He recognized his obvious failures but made the same mistakes in his better books. I mean have you seen the baby calculus in IJ? That shit isn't in any way cool or interesting. But the problem wasn't that he couldn't do real cutting-edge mathematics, it's that he couldn't do anything at all.
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You know, I don’t want to be offensive. But ‘Infinite Jest’ is just awful. It seems ridiculous to have to say it. He can’t think, he can’t write. There’s no discernible talent.
I was upset when the National Book Award gave Stephen King a special award in 2003, but Stephen King is Cervantes compared to David Foster Wallace. We have no standards left.
Wallace seems to have been a very sincere and troubled person, but that doesn’t mean I have to endure reading him. I even resented the use of the term from Shakespeare, when Hamlet calls the king’s jester Yorick, ‘a fellow of infinite jest.’
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>>9510265
>He had avoided straight math classes at Amherst, afraid they might lower his grade point average.
>“You should know I am really really smart,” he told the English department members who met him
lmao
fraud
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He was too good for us and he knew it. That is why he killed himself.
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>>9510376
>then wake up the next day and write many private letters to himself about how it both does and doesn't bother him and then burn the letters
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>>9510265
Did he really think the bandanna looked cool?
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>told him he had “never witnessed a collective dick-sucking like that before.”
wew
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>>9511823
>the replies to this post
Why are you morons spazzing out? /lit/'s favorite writers not only jerked themselves off all over themselves behind the thinnest veneers all the time, but they and/or their fanboys have the gall to claim it's all "ironic" or "incidental" whenever someone points it out.
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>>9510265
>welcome to the water
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>>9510284
Fucking hell this is the only reason I go into DFW threads. I've never read a word the man wrote but he's an excellent target for cheap and cruel jokes.
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>>9510284
savage
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>>9512393
I'd taper off and quit unless you feel you absolutely need it. Eat healthy and exercise to combat depression
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pls no bully dave :(
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>>9512653
WOOF
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>>9512538
The title of his most famous book is a direct reference to Hamlet. There are also many plot and character parallels
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>>9512516
>>Born to atheist parents, Wallace attempted to join the Catholic Church twice but "flunk[ed] the period of inquiry", and later attended a Mennonite church.[48][49][50]
How in the hell do you flunk RCIA
Illiterate Mexicans can be Catholic, how was DFW so shit?
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>>9515456
he probably flunked by being incapable of religious belief or faith
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>>9515456
Why would a church have membership tests anyway? Can't people learn as they go along?
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Can I get a link to that interview when he said he didn't read Pynchon because that was "mainstraim avant-garde" and then he started name dropping other, more obscure, authors?
I need that rage kick
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>>9512022
where did you get this information
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>>9516543
he called him commercial avant garde along with gaddis and mcelroy. It wasn't entirely meant as a pejoratively either, he thought they just wrote books to make avant garde cash rather than being pure artists (in his opinion like DeLillo and Beckett which I would agree with him on). In that interview he also talked about how cool he thought gravitys rainbow was and why he referenced it in IJ and also said Gaddis was the author he tried to emulate the most (of course in addition to reiterating that statement in the pale king). Not sure what you're raging about to be honest. The only time he said he didnt read pynchon was when he said he hadnt BEFORE writing the broom of the system, which is obviously bullshit as he had a poster of pynchon (the same bucktooth one) in his dormroom. Did you actually read the interview?!?!?
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>>9512538
>IJ reference to shakespeare
>Pale King not owing a massive debt to whitman, emerson, melville
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>>9516849
>he thought they just wrote books to make avant garde cash rather than being pure artists
No, no no nono no non ono no no no no no no no no no no no no. You are so fucking retarded.
A pure artist like fucking delillo. Holy shit.
That's not what he means here at all.
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>>9516865
Alright. I plagiarized him so I'm not sure how I'm wrong
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>>9511823
Pretty tough desu. By then he had experienced two existential crises the latter of which had the profundity of a man twice his age.
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>>9516849
>poster of pynchon (the same bucktooth one)
w2c
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>>9510299
This is not true but it's really funny.
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>>9510284
lmao
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>>9512022
No way he did meth on top of his phenelzine.
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>>9512155
http://granadahouse.org/testimonials/an-ex-residents-story/
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