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Can I get a quick rundown on this book? (preferably a quick

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Can I get a quick rundown on this book?

(preferably a quick rundown of each of the three volumes)
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>>9495313
>Can I get a quick rundown on this book?
no. Read it or fuck off back to where you came from
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>>9495313
surplus value and political reform
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>>9495321
But it's three thousand pages. I will read it but it will take years
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google it fag
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>>9495313
When people are employed in a capitalist system they are being used to create surplus value that is transformed into profits for those running the company. This is an unfair abuse of the working class. The working class should use their power over their own work product to promote equality within their work environment and be paid equal to their share of work for the company.
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>>9495358
Stop making shit up, Das Kapital is about capitalism, its inherent process and how said inherent processes are destined to failure.

The exploitation of the worker is not the point of Marx's critic in DK, he talks about it in other books: it's all about capitalism, and its self-contraddicting internal logics.
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>>9495394
>it's all about capitalism, and its self-contraddicting internal logics.
Can you expand on this please?
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>>9495431
Marx's arguments for it are very complex, and I do 't really feel I'm prepared enough to summarise them. Anyway he reaches his conclusions by examining analitically history from a materialist lens (from here he derives the neo-Feuerbechian dialectical system based on classes, and the re-contextualization of society through ownership of the means of production), then he starts analyzing the logic of capitalism through economical and mathematical notions, individuating these ways certain misconceptions on the common perception of the system itself, and certain processes that makes the capitalist free market fundamentally unstable and polarizing in the long run.

For the definitions of these misconceptions and flawed processes you have to wait for an actual Marxist, or at the very least someone who has read Das Kapital more than me, amd have studied it in a deeper and more formal manner.

Still, my main point remain: the representation of that anon is a lie, that is not what Das Kapital is about.
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>>9495431

I'm not that guy, but basically Marx expands a lot, and I mean A LOT, on things such as the relation between wage labour and production, how debt and crisis are central to developing capitalism, etc.

He elaborates on how technology increases wealth (raw number of "things" to be bought or sold) but simultaneously diminishes the economic value of said wealth, therefore draining society and creating poverty in spite of ever increasing productivity. He also goes a long way to show the way in which economy and politics hold separate value in capitalism, due to commerce requiring no morals other than buying/selling relations.

He also expands on how capitalism is a natural, historically explainable evolution of social relations (accelerationists love that one) and also on the nature of wealth concentration by indulging in commodity fetishism (basically, believing things have some inherent value that is neither moral nor personal, hence economic). He ties it directly into the objetification of human relations under capitalism (this phrase is very heavy handed: he spends literally hundres of pages on this and it is much more intricate than I can make it sound).

And that's just to point out a few overall points. Frankly, it's no wonder everyone and their mother became Marxists. He comes accross with good points and, at least in Das Kapital, he does not set out for a solution, and nails a lot of points in his criticism. Both right-leaning thinkers and left-leaning thinkers and all of society would benefit from reading that one. Enjoy your next years OP.
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I can only find volume 1 online, where can I buy the other volumes?
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>>9495503
https://www.thriftbooks.com/series/das-kapital/38423/
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>>9495503
Here they all are online.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf.htm
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>>9495313
David Harvey has a lecture series online going through the book which might be helpful. Quicker than reading the whole thing anyway.
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>>9495313
Thats a picture of a savings box.
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>>9495313
TL,DR
being a greedy cunt a shite
everything else is retarded aside from labor value


virtually irrelevant in todays global debt society aside from there are too many greedy non-value creating shits
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>>9495313
I'll do my best to explain Marx's key arguments in a linear way that makes sense.

>Humans differ from animals because we can create, whereas they simply exist in their preordained roles. Our history is one of materialism.
>There have been many different styles of material production over our history from tribalism, to serfdom, to modern capitalism. Changes between systems can come from many different places, the most recent came from the industrial revolution.
>All of us need access to the means of material production as all of us take part in materialism. The only way to be free of this is to go live in a dirt hut as an ascetic.
>In a capitalist system, there exist those who have the capital which allows them to control the means of productions and how the materials we need are distributed. Think of capital as the money needed to start a business, you may have the skill to make a chair but a capitalist has the money to build a factory and employ you.
>To gain access to this means of production we rent out our labor to the capitalists so they may reward us with the money needed to take part in the capitalist economy.
>Because we need money to access the means of production we MUST work. Marx argues that this is similar to slavery in that we must work or die, the only difference is that now it is a choice where we may go to sell our labor.
>Because we no longer produce our labor for our own ends and instead do it for our employers, we are alienated from it. Alienation downtrods individuals into believing that they are below their own value. This system of alienation holds true for other concepts such as justice where, because we let police forces handle issues of justice, we become alienated from our own senses of justice believing that we cannot produce it on our own.
>Because we are alienated from ourselves, the capitalists with direct access to the means of production can control us through propaganda and other dastardly means.
>To combat this and move on from a system of wage slavery, Marx believes that the oppressed class must have a moment of awakening and become aware of their class position. It is for this reason that he writes socialist propaganda like the Communist Manifesto
>Marx argues for a future where the underclass seize the means of production and evenly disperse them for everyone to enjoy

That's my best interpretation based off of what I remember. Someone correct me where I'm wrong.
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>>9495313
commie shit, deserves to be burned and wiped off the earth
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>>9496078

It actually has quite a lot to say on debt and crisis, as well as wealth accumulation by rentiers (that he knows are not creating any surplus value). He was very prolific in applying Hegelian dialectics and Master/Slave concepts to social matters and this couldn't be more relevant in today's global debt society.

>>9496141

You're conflating some of his other works with The Capital. He does not ponder what it would be to be rid of capitalism here. He merely describes the system and criticizes it within a very analytical framework. He does not make claims to revolution and restricts himself to what it means for society to have capitalism around.

Also alienation runs deeper than having people believe they have less value, but it implies that people lose *any sense of identity* whatsoever. This is not only because they are producing for someone else, but also because products are not tailored with their personal beliefs and desires in mind. What wealth they produce is not only not theirs in the sense of possession, but also in a more abstract sense of not being "theirs" because it does not have their identity projected onto it. Think of the difference between wood carving a table for someone you like, with hidden details only you/the person would know, etc. or buying a round plain table that has unlimited copies of itself being bought by others.

Alienation means that things we once valued moraly or subjectively have lost all that value and now we can only assign "economic value" (a price) to these things. And since, historically, we use the material world around us to project our identities through a semblance of uniqueness (my room, my writings, my work, etc.), we end up losing identity. This whole paragraph though is a very over the top reading of it, and should only serve to stimulate reading of the actual thing (even if to disagree really).
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>>9496024
t. Psued
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