What's that feeling called that you sometimes slip into

>>9492947

Dissociation?

get help op

>>9492980
No, dissociation is different, although I do get that from time to time, meaning it's mild as fuck so it doesn't matter.

What I'm talking about is something different.

>>9492947
don't worry op. i understand what you're talking about.can't think of a great word for it though.

it feels like a veil's been lifted or something

>>9493038
Yeah exactly. It's the realization of the absurdity and perhaps arbitrariness of everyday objects.

Like everything we see is "filtered" so it seems normal. You've seen a chair a thousand times to it's just a normal object, but in reality it's strange as fuck. And this applies to everything, not just chairs.

It's hard to explain since (for me at least) it's a very fleeting, and almost entirely emotional experience.

>>9492947
Meta-awareness, maybe? I don't think there is a specific term

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>>9492947
Angst, or Nothingness.

An existential observation

>>9493043
Is this similar to that phenomenon where saying the same word to yourself over and over will make it sound weird and offputting?

Sounds a bit like semantic satiation, but afaik that's just words losing their meaning.

You may have been watching this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQsZxDQgzU

1.30

There's a J G Ballard story about this. The Overloaded Man, maybe?

>>9493003
Poetic Disassociation

>>9492947
Sometimes I see people walking and the way they walk looks so strange. We all walk with these two long limbs and a pair of feet. The way they move looks so alien, backwards and forwards over and over again.

Would that sound similar to what you're seeing OP?

>>9492947
Nausea

>>9493067
Ah yeah, thanks! That was where I got my example from.

Interestingly enough the first time this happened to me was on a train as well. It's terrifying to see "the absurdity of the world" because you feel almost separate from it. Like the world loosened from its hinges.

Can you experience this at will or does it happen to you randomly?

>>9493104
I can sometimes force myself to experience it, but it most often happens randomly.

Again, it's primarily an emotional experience, like that of nostalgia. You can explain it as much as you want, but it's not a substitute for actually experiencing it.

For me it was also related to the concept of absolute freedom. You can literally kill yourself right now. There's nothing stopping you. You can wander into the woods and become a hermit. In the middle of a conversation you could strip down naked and your life would never be the same again.

I guess I just independently discovered/experienced all of those things this video describes:
>>9493067

>>9493079
Yeah exactly. However when I experience it it's very scary. Like everything has been a big lie, or a scene play, and for a fleeting moment I realize that it's all a play.

>>9492947
Hyperawareness?

>>9493081
Read Nausea by Sartre.

>>9493129
>Read Nausea by Sartre
Will do!

>>9492947
I've experienced this.
A dissimilar situation (but along these lines) is having a bit of music in your head, or a bit of verse, when realizing (after wondering why you can't get it out of your head) that it actually answers some question you posed just previous or even the day before, and often with some acuity. Weird.
Perhaps a major difference between folks today and those of the deep dark past is that whereas we receive pop music bits, various memes and commercial jingles, they received bits of stories, tales and verse, i.e. spontaneously.
>Just a thought.

>>9492947
You're getting disconnected from the world of Forms

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I have it from time to time, but that's because I've got some depersonalization/ derealization going on. It's usually not too bad but I'm also an alcoholic and alcohol can trigger such feelings, usually when sobering up.

It's especially scary when you're driving and looking at the road in front of you and all of the sudden I can only perceive the road and other surroundings as a bunch of weird shapes without any meaning.

>>9493089
Have you read Nausea by Sartre yet? It's basically about the experience you're having

>>9493160
Do you drive drunk?

la nausea

>>9492947
Jamais vu is the opposite of Deja vu, where the familiar feels unfamiliar.

Not sure that's what you were looking for but it is pretty on the nose.

>>9493187
No, but hungover. I only drink in the evenings.

i get this shit all the fucking time
i just started reading nausea, he talks about it like 10 pages in or something

there's probably a german word just for this feeling...

>>9492947
I remember senior year of high school I felt this feeling strongly while thinking about life. We are these weird fleshy mechanisms that are self-driven to fuck and eat until we wear out and break down. And we come from pretty much nothing. We are machines with our choices personality and opinions mapped out and written down in our biology. We just stomp around and fulfill the script written in our DNA until we break down. And this entire concept is so strange. I mean I had been reading existentialist texts and Nietzsche and shit for a few years at that point and understood that the only meaning life has comes from interpretation and projection, but I never had such a feeling that we were just these weird aimless meat robots.

>>9493160
Like you see the objects you just don't comprehend them? Or do they look physically different?

>>9493289
They look the same, but it's as if I forgot what these things were and I view them in a way as if I've never seen anything like it before.

>>9493289
>>9493297
Also, it's only a very short moment. Barely 3 seconds, before I come to my senses again.

>>9493054

I think it does

>>9493043
This
I just wouldn't exactly call it emotional though, for me at least. Certainly a daunting experience

Sometimes when I'm outside driving, I become aware of how insanely improbable my current experience is. It just strikes me how ludicrously complex everything is, and driving seems harder because of how overwhelming reality is.

>>9493297
>>9493301
Interesting... I have felt something similar to a slightly milder degree a few times in my life. It's strange and overwhelming. How frequently does this happen to you?

>>9493301
OP here.

Yeah, it tends to last for a very short time. It's sort of like you see everything for the first time, and it looks strange.

However, when you see a new object normally you can relate it to things you already know, in the sense of "Oh, that looks a bit like this other thing I know". You don't have that luxury when this happens to you, because everything is like you see it for the first time ever.

>>9493668
Rarely ever at all anymore, these days, unless I'm hungover/ dehydrated.

>>9492947
acid

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>>9492947

Gestaltzerfall?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestaltzerfall

Yeah senpai sounds like you're high

Some kind of derecognition?

>>9493054
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_satiation

That happened to me, and with a chair too. It actually happened while reading Nausea.

>>9492947
Jamais Vu: A sense of unfamiliarity with, or of never having experienced or seen before, something that should be familiar.

This happens to me almost daily, particularly when looking at my cat or other humans. I just start thinking about how strange this little creature is that I have living with me, with a tiny peabrain and small feet and stomach, how different she is from me yet we exist in harmony. I also have similar experiences to the anon that mentioned getting weirded out by seeing people walk. When it hits the hardest, however, is when I'm just standing around, smoking a cigarette outside of class or something, and I get overwhelmed by my presence at that particular spot. Like, "what am I doing here? If I wasn't here no one would know any better."
It makes me feel retarded, desu. Like babby's first existential crisis, yet I've gone through a philosophy major and was an edgy teen and have gone through a more typical existential crisis years ago.
I also get urges to throw my cat off the balcony, stab my live-in girlfriend, spew insults at professors, and have to suppress the urge despite loving all of these beings and rationally wishing no harm on them. This is a pretty recent occurrence, coming up in the past year or so and it makes me feel legitimately crazy.

>>9492947
>that feel when you suddenly realise you are you and you have been on "automatic" mode the whole day

What the fug I have never meditated or did weed why does this happen?

This reminded me of Cortázar's instructions for climbing a staircase, the 'extrañamiento' as in viewing the world as if it was your first time seeing it

>>9494438
>I also get urges to throw my cat off the balcony, stab my live-in girlfriend, spew insults at professors, and have to suppress the urge despite loving all of these beings and rationally wishing no harm on them.
Talk to someone about this.

Unless it's just strange OCD-lite kind of thoughts that you handwave away with a bit of annoyance. I get those with sexual things. E.g. when interacting with a female relative who is particularly non-sexual to me (mother, aunt, grandmother), I'll get very blurry weird sexual images in the back of my head which I simply ignore and it doesn't really affect me in any way. It's like a strange background noise. Doesn't happen when I actually feel attracted to a woman.

I figure it's something of a similar nature to Tourette's Syndrome.

Not sure since when I have it. But it's always been so slight I always just ignored it. I'm generally a little fucked up when it comes to sexual thoughts because I began watching porn as a little kid. I'm just happy I don't have any violent fetishes.

>>9494470
I'd say it's more along the lines of what you're describing (minor annoyances that I brush away), but I also have that same weird sexualizing femal family members thing. I think part of it is due to going on bestgore and shit like that when I was younger. I used to be desensitized to all that stuff, now when I watch a movie or read a book containing insanity-fueled violence I get really uncomfortable.
How do I talk to someone when I am poor and have no insurance? Part of my reluctance to do this is a forced denial of thinking that I'm going crazy, I've always been a very peaceful guy and I'm trying to convince myself that these are merely little mental problems I need to solve myself...

>>9494438
Giving in: Nietzsche's experience with the horse. This feel redolent in Laurence Sterne's A Sentimental Education. Perhaps I'll re-read Shandy this summer..

>>9494570
Damn. Mistook the Sterne title for Flaubert's!

>>9494438
>I also get urges to throw my cat off the balcony

Kek. Don't worry though, as long as you don't do it. I was talking to a bunch of friends last time about this and most of them had somewhat similar thoughts.

One of them told me he always thought of breaking every dish in his house, another about hitting everyone with his car.

You aren't crazy.

>>9494570
>>9494581
I was gonna say, Sterne's Sentimental Education? Did you mean to provide a different title by Sterne, or did you just get the authors mixed up?
And can you expand on the Nietzsche's horse experience?

>>9494513
Oh well, good luck living in a third world country. Here in Germany everyone and their dog is insured by law.

Like the other anon says though, probably a lot of people have strange little OCD-like thoughts such as these. If you can't preemptively get a professional opinion then the best thing is probably to meh it away and find a new hobby or new friends or something that keep your mind busy with positive things.

i get this quite often, i can even do it at command. Its like a moment where shapes doesn't make any sense and the everyday object becomes bizarre and really fucking weird

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>>9494438
OP here, yeah I get the same. Kind of that feeling like when you're sitting on a cliff and think: "I could just push off, a slight little push, and I'd fall to my death". Or you could just stab someone. You're life would be fucked forever, but it's a possibility.

You _could_ just do that. There's nothing stopping you. And it's absolutely terrifying.

When I'm walking down the street, that random guy could stab me in the neck and my life would be over. It's so fragile, and yet I delude myself into thinking it's more robust than it actually is. It could end at any moment.

Absolute freedom combined with the "veil" lifting from time to time is terrifying.

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>>9494715
>When I'm walking down the street, that random guy could stab me in the neck and my life would be over. It's so fragile, and yet I delude myself into thinking it's more robust than it actually is. It could end at any moment.

I actually tried to kill myself by slitting my throat and to my surprise I was still alive after losing about a liter of blood.

Conversely, it can be more robust than you'd be led to believe when you sit in your basement all day every day for years. Comes out the human body is capable of receiving quite a beating.

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Its because the chair has no being in itself, and neither does the unity preceding what you recognize as the chair.So when you unrecognize the chair you can make a new mental selection of what 'belongs together'.
But its all your mind keeping it together.

>>9494715
sounds like ocd my dudebro

>>9494753
Yeah, that's a good description of it. And the absolute freedom is similar to it in the way that it happens when you "unrecognize" what you're supposed to do, e.g. not randomly murder everyone, preserve your own life, etc.

>>9494715
Someone could be aiming a sniper rifle at you right now.
He could pull the trigger and end your life without you ever realizing it.

>>9493935
This

>>9493043
How are chairs strange as fuck "in reality"?

>>9492947

Albert Camus writes about this in his philosophy of absurdism. You experience a momentary lifting of the veil where you realize how absurd the things you take for granted are and how disjointed presumably causal relationships can be. He argues that you can either take this awareness and run with it or do your best to hide from it and go back to living your life the way it was before you had this awareness, though the second option usually leads to some form of existential angst. Lovecraft's horror is similar in this theme though he uses space monsters as the awakening element rather than the basic shit that can set it off at any moment.

Go read Camus' the Myth of Sisyphus
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~freeman/courses/phil360/16.%20Myth%20of%20Sisyphus.pdf

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>>9492947
>>9493079
>>9493284
>>9494438

Yes, it fells very bizarre - but often fun, I find - to contemplate the familiar order of life as if we suddenly had the eyes of a non-human outsider. I started experiencing this more profoundly after it really sunk into my mind that humans are a species of ape - looking at my friends at parties, at swarms of people in department stores, at my own acts of gracefulness and obliviousness, and at my own body reflected in mirrors and moving past windows - and I began to more frequently observe the world as if it were an exhibit in some cosmic zoo.

I still have to remind myself, though, that I can't escape my own point of view as a human mind, as if I could conceive of some absolutely objective perspective that wasn't implicitly anthropomorphized. Each of us is merely a human who can try (and fail) to conceive of how a non-human might contemplate humans.

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>>9496237

Two recurring themes of Schopenhauer's thought especially come to mind in relation to this. An example of the first theme - the general bafflingness of existence - is in the opening pages of "Man's Need for Metaphysics," which begins here on page 160: https://books.google.com/books?id=QuNInNEfkNEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=schopenhauer+world+as+will&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDj6fdxunTAhWEJCYKHTd8AgAQ6AEIODAE#v=onepage&q&f=false

An example of the second theme - directing this kind of contemplation at the organ correlated with the very consciousness that's doing the contemplating - comes from page 273:

> In fact, we are justified in asserting that the whole of the objective world, so boundless in space, so infinite in time, so unfathomable in its perfection, is really only a certain movement or affection of the pulpy mass in the skull. We then ask in astonishment what this brain is, whose function produces such a phenomenon of all phenomena. What is this matter that can be refined and potentiated to such a pulpy mass, that the stimulation of a few of its particles becomes the conditional supporter of the existence of an objective world? The dread of such questions drove men to the hypothesis of the simple substance of an immaterial soul, which merely dwelt in the brain. We say fearlessly that this pulpy mass, like every vegetable or animal part, is also an organic structure, like all its humbler relations in the inferior dwelling-place of our irrational brothers' heads, down to the humblest that scarcely apprehends. Nevertheless, that organic pulpy mass is nature's final product, which presupposes all the rest.

Shaking off the Phenomenal world is an integral part of knowing one's self.

OP if you've never smoked salvia you should consider it because that is exactly the feeling taken to a ludicrous extreme.

>>9496237
This made me start drawing my hands because I was fascinated at how i could make them flow from shape to shape.
>>9496241
I disagree with Schopenhauer that it's only the brain - the pulpy mass. It's the entire human body and the brain interprets this reality through the body. Without the body there's nothing.

>>9492947
semantic satiation,

except physical satiation

On an off-topic note, has anyone ever experienced some sort of hyperrealization just through thinking of a scenario?

Like, I picture grabbing a knife and stabbing myself with it, or jumping off a building, and I swear it feels so real that I get a near panic attack

Is this somehow a new reality creating itself where I actually kill myself? Are we creating new worlds just by thinking them up?

>>9492947
Depersonalization

The word "must". It's a really weird word when you say it a lot. A musty word.

>>9492947
Alienation, dissociation

>>9492947
I have this with the human body. Seems pretty normal right? Two legs, hips, torso, two arms and a head on top. But, wait, what's that? A snakelike shlong with two miniature balls next to it in between the legs. And everyone just lives a normal life not mentioning this?

>>9497091
well two legs, hips, torso, two arms and a head on top is just as bizarre as a snakelike shlong with two miniature balls next to it between the legs

>>9494590
Sterne's Sentimental Journey through France and Italy- that short work came to mind (although the Flaubert title trumped the actual while typing) though read some time ago. Don't know why (meant to check it, but didn't) which is why I wrote 'redolent'. Trusted my impulse, but could be mistaken. Many books have intervened since reading it.
The onset of Nietzsche's breakdown in Turin occured while he observed a horse being whipped. His interposing by throwing his arms around the horse's neck as if to save it seems sane enough, even admirably brave, by contemporary standards, but it indicated a 'loss of grip' given the standards of the world in which he lived. This 'horse episode' is supposed to be the ground zero of his mental collapse.

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>>9496365

> I disagree with Schopenhauer that it's only the brain - the pulpy mass. It's the entire human body and the brain interprets this reality through the body. Without the body there's nothing.

Of course - and though you'd have no way of knowing it from the excerpt, he elsewhere acknowledges in detail the contributions that the whole body makes to our conscious experience.

What's unique about the human brain, he believed, was that its proportional size allowed humans to be rationally reflective about their very own bodies and spatiotemporal experience, and that since such reflection allows humanity to recognize the worthlessness of all existence - and thus allows humanity to be repulsed from life, the world, and the willing that's at the core of all of it - there would be no stage of natural phenomena higher than humanity, no reason for nature to evolve beyond the bare minimum of consciousness required for renunciation.

>>9492947
Have you done psychadelics by chance?

>>9492947
I've experienced this, but not with inanimate objects. It happened while I was looking at myself in a mirror and when I was caressing my dog. In these cases I asked myself why my dog and I have the physical forms I saw, and I couldn't come up with an answer, yet I knew an answer exists.

you get this on lsd all the time, i remember looking at a fire hydrant once while i was tripping balls like "yooo what the fuck IS that thing?!"

>>9498007
Damn, I've read that anon's post about his cat. Pretty much the same experience I had with my dog.

>>9492947
Uncanniness? At any rate, read Nausea.

>>9497944
That's naive. The idea that this is the final stage of evolution just because we're aware, and that there couldn't be anything more damning to a species than it's hatred of itself in light of the crushing overbearance of existence, is narrow-minded. Evolution doesn't function on reason, it just does.

>>9497091
the schlong is the most primitive and unevolved part of the body, makes sense

>>9498007
the answer is evolution

Christ's sake, you litcucks are annoying as fuck

>>9498389
This is as stupid as claiming that OP's example of chair doesn't make sense because a chair is what it is due to industrial design. While correct, you're missing the point.

Apareidolia is the term I'd ascribe to it OP - anti-pattern-seeking behavior

>>9498145
>Evolution doesn't function on reason, it just does.
But reason, the human thought process, does function on the same laws of physics as evolution.

>>9498410
Can you even into analogy? Industrial design is not a process over millions of years

We have these forms because of a process of millions of years. The reason it seems absurd to us is because there Is no possible way to experience millions of years within our limited perception, so our mind seems like it's playing a trick on us when we perceive a discrete moment in time without any of its context.

Sartrean perspective?

>>9498427
No that's when your eyes don't line up LMAO

That sometimes happens to me with words. I say a word like "Hello" and start thinking about how weird it is.

Can everyone in this thread please add me on Facebook? You all sound SO awesome and self-aware you must all be SO interesting, always puzzling out the TRUE meaning of chairs and words and other objects! Truly a transcendental thread, well-done all you fine gentlemen!

>>9498425
You are arguing against your own point. Even though we can easily oversee the process of making -for example- a chair, it can still at times seem absurd to us. This means it does not seem absurd in virtue of its temporal nature but due to its pure being. This in turn means that the human form can seem absurd to us on a non-temporal level as well. We are taking a metaphysical view in these cases which can be atemporal.

i dont want to read the whole thread, is there some german word for this?

sort of like schop's aesthetics and also naive autism

>>9498425
>Can you even into analogy?
Can you? Industrial design is analogous to evolution because it's the material cause of the subject in question. Time is irrelevant in this analogy.
When the people in this thread see X and think about how absurd X is, they're wondering about its formal cause. You seem one of those naive teenagers who just learned how to refute young earth creationists objections to evolution and want to show off this knowledge in every possible situation.

>>9498433
kek

>>9498479
P.S. English is not my mothertongue so I'm afraid I couldn't quite make my point as clearly as I wanted. It is along the lines of what this person said >>9498488

>>9492947
Is that the same thing as when you realise how absurd and disgusting the human face is

>>9498479
Because a chair's form is designed to accomodate a human's form, thus it seems even more absurd than the human itself

>>9498488
Time is very relevant; the fact of the matter remains that the human mind was not built to consider million-year-long processes. We evolved to only consider things within our immediate temporal senses.

>>9498433
Iseewhatyoudidthere

>>9498551
Time CAN be a relevant factor and there is some merit to what you are saying. This however does not change the fact that we can also take an atemporal stance when viewing objects, even our bodies.

>>9498566
>This however does not change the fact that we can also take an atemporal stance when viewing objects, even our bodies.


That's just an illusion; you can't take things objectively into account when humans are subjective, temporal creatures.

>>9498545
It's not though, are you retarded?

I mean it utterly depends on the person at least.

Irony: I legit just searched for a pretty face on Google Images but couldn't find one that satisfied me.
Nevertheless, I stand by my statement.

>>9498580
Can you think about the number 5?

>>9493834
Sounds like you're also touching on Deleuze's idea of "difference-in-itself"

https://larvalsubjects.wordpress.com/2017/03/20/deleuze-what-is-called-thinking/

Experiences like these are essential to thinking, since if we never had to grapple with something completely outside our conceptions, we could drift through life automatically

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>>9493120
It's a short moment of seeing through pure ideology.

>>9493079
i used to think shit like that in 7th grade, i wouldn't get too proud of yourself...like looking at my hand like "woah it's it weird how ur arm splits into these little branches at the end? wtf?" god i was such a sperg, dont be like that

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I can relate to this too anon. The first time it happened to me that I remember was when I was 17, just got an eight of weed and have never smoked by myself before. I went to the top of a hill by my house, from there I could see the rolling green hills and houses from my little town. Immediately after smoking I felt like I was finally waking up, I can finally see the world.... The curvature of the landscape is what really got me, it's as if I just realized I live on a planet shaped like a globe. My whole life I thought I understood that, but I never really contemplated the fact.. There was a lot more but it's very hard to explain.


I've been on a weird depressive haze since then, I'm 20 now

>>9492947
chuunibyou

>>9498619
Moving the goalposts

>>9498676
DUDE
WEED
LMAO

Get over yourself

>>9498716
Someone attempts to describe a poetic experience and this is how you respond. You're lost.

>>9498716
Hate this shit, I literally can not even mention the fucking thing before one of you faggots come out of the woodwork. Just please stop and shut the fuck up, not everyone talking about the number one vice of our generation is furthering cringy weed culture. And "get over myself"? What the fuck did I say that implied that I'm a narcissistic? I'm replying to a thread about a similar experience I've had with op. If you have nothing to contribute than fucking kill yourself

i have this and i can sort of do it on command
i come from a family with pretty bad mental health and a sister that is schizo

>>9498728
>a narcissistic
so sad, trying to function with all those dead brain cells

And the experience you ascribe to drug use is an incredibly common one arising naturally within human experience. That you have so misplaced your own experiences, and let said misplaced phenomenon color a sizeable passage of time in your life, makes you deserving of ridicule. That is the epitome of "cringey weed culture"

>>9498716
You've already been sufficiently insulted, but I want to mention that I, too, think you're a retard.

>>9498728
Except that Anon is right. Nobody wants to read the wall of text you fucks type out about ' that one awesome time duuude.'

>>9498747
Did someone rape you with a bong when you were a child or something? You're clearly an unpleasant and pathologically minded person, even if you're hiding behind irony or trolling.

>>9498754
>4 sentences
>wall of text
>literature board

>>9498760
Clearly he has reason to fear losing a few braincells.

>>9498685
No. You said that, and I quote: "you can't take things objectively into account when humans are subjective temporal creatures."

I in turn provided a, what I consider to be, atemporal entity to prove your statement wrong. It is now your turn to either prove that for some reason we can not think about other things atemporally or to discard your argument and accept that humans are capable of taking an atemporal point of view in regards to objects.

>>9498747
I never said that my experience can only be had by smoking weed or using a drug, I'm just describing the first time I remember that experience, it was induced by me smoking weed. Stop looking for shit I never said and creating your own twisted meaning for a extremely simple comment. And really "dead brain cells", you dumbasses are sounding indistinguishable from my DARE teacher.

Teenagers: The Thread

Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Summer

>>9498676
Well, OP is not referring to alering your perception with substances, rather just the odd feeling you get on common experience.

When you alter your mind with a substance, it can be pretty fascinating but you are just fleeting your view of instant reality.

There is, however, more than a few ways to change subtly your perception of reality with just cognitive restructuring or with practicing states of awareness. Stay at school, kids.

>>9498778
I've had the experience before I started smoking, this was just the most profound. I actually can't recreate that feeling on drugs anymore, it only comes crawling back when I sit in nature by myself for a while.

>>9498774
>discussing a phenomenon explored by various authors, artists and philosophers for thousands of years
>instantly discarding it because you believe some ages are intrinsically more valuable than others in the collective human experience
>thinking that kids cannot access the Internet during the school year

>>9498768
You obviously can't read since the antecedent in my sentence that was referred to by "things" was the aforementioned notion of taking into account evolution as a process of millions of years. You then moved the goalposts to something entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand, because you know you can't prove me wrong.

>>9498813
Now you are just getting personal and I am getting the impression that you are unwilling to have an actual discussion. I'll leave it to others to judge the merit of our arguments. Have a good one.

>>9498829
"wahh I can't prove him wrong so I'll just leave now"

Have fun with your pseudo-philosophical sophists ya pseud

>>9493003
sounds like sarte's nausea

>>9492947
Buddhists refer to this as concentration. Im not being sarcastic.

>>9498756
Psychoanalysis Powers Activate!
Form of: A Retard!
>>9498771
>I never said that my experience can only be had by smoking weed or using a drug
And I never claimed you did, Cheech. Clear that fog in your skull, if you can. I'm very specifically making derisive comments towards you for being so miserably unfit in terms of basic human function, in the sincere hopes that being mocked (not just by me but by several others in your life, as you have already been and will continue to be, whether you know it or not) will make you ashamed enough of your experiential squalor to thoroughly unfuck yourself.

Groundlessness.

sometimes I feel this when I look at myself in a mirror

>>9494438
Pure o OCD

>>9498584
What you usually experience when you look at a face is pattern recognition. Anime is a good example of the abstraction.

Beyond the pattern you have a bunch of oily porous skin and random protrusions, hairy bits, gooey eyeball bits, hard yellow teeth bits. I.e. 3dpd

Thats what I experience sometimes, we're plugged into pattern recognition formulas

>>9498728
Yikes
weedfags as sensitive as always

>>9500478
Or people are sick of unoriginal shitposters who don't contribute to the thread

>>9497091
its a penis

Non-Marxian Alienation

Entrücktheit

>>9498716
Being degrading and condescending to an anonymous person on an online bulgarian knitting community. A true Ubermensch

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>>9497944

"Naive" isn't really the right word. He developed a pre-Darwinian model of evolution, like other prominent German idealists, that was part of a pretty sophisticated system of thought. Even though it's not the model we'd accept today, what would be "naive" and "narrow minded" would be for us to criticize it strongly before understanding it thoroughly.

>>9492947
I did this as a child sometimes. When you're sitting in the kitchen and suddenly you see the kitchen not like the kitchen you grew up around and saw everyday but like it's just a random kitchen.
Like when you say a word three times in a row and it turns into a meaningless sound

I had this happen to me on acid. Or at least its very similar to what you and other anons described. It was very intense, in a social setting, and it caused me to have a panic attack.

>>9499477
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking

>>9493265
i would say it's something like a tagtraum, althought that's more like a sudden and short paralization. when you stare at something out of the blue and can't force yourself to stop looking at it.
more like semantic satiation or when you're driving in your car and you auddenly realize wtf you're actually doing - sitting inside a hellish fast machine that answers to the slightest adjustment to your muscles and you're surrounded by hundreds of other such machines at high velocity and the smallest error could be fatal. then you drive in hyper reality for a few moments till you return to normal again. guess it is some kind of depersonalisation or surreal realization.

>>9494449
this, holy fuck. i guess that's just selfawarenes. but it's strange af.

I used to do a LOT of dissociatives. I remember many times when I would be smoking weed the day after a big trip and just stare at a bookshelf or something. I'd try to remove all of my ideas about what I think the object was and just look at it like I had never seen anything before. You get in this weird zone after a while where you are just looking at shapes and the letters look like moon runes.

I also remember the first time doing acid something relevant happened. I would usually take showers during the comedown of trips because of how refreshing it feels and it's also a nice place to take a few things in. So this time after my shower, I'm putting on my clothes and I stop I start to notice how kind of odd it is that there is a hole for everyone of my limbs. Head goes here. Left leg here. Don't put your arms in this hole or your a dumbass. You can easily dismiss the idea by just looking down your nose at it and saying "duh, how else would you make clothes?". Your stance would be valid but you'd be closing yourself off from seeing the crotch of existence. The strange place that even though perfectly justified, is still silly if you look directly at it.

>>9492947
>What's that feeling called that you sometimes slip into where you can look at something like a chair, and realize how absurd and strange it is?


Dude Nausea lamo

What drug combo can I take to induce this state?

>>9502717
I was stuck in this state for a day after taking some Adderall when I was tripping on an edible. But it can be achieved through meditation, introspection or psychedelics. I will say i didn't experience this on shrooms, ordinary objects became wonderful not alien

I'd recommend Noumenautics by Peter Sjöstedt-H for some cool insights. Some psychedelics remove the normal filters that help our conscience create boundaries between "things".

>tfw people have psychedelic epiphanies on marijuana
>tfw i just act like a retard and laugh at the stupidest shit
maybe its cause i never smoked by myself

>>9498007
>>9498145
Not only does it not function on reason or goal, it doesn't even function in a referential way, it's just a very localised process that results in wider concepts. Actually it's horrible at attaining a particular goal or purpose, very inefficient and for specific goals it simply won't attain them at all.

Programming a scenario, with creatures and an environment with each creature having it's own set of genes and parameters for breeding, continued existence, life-span, etc. Can be a beneficial way of visualising this.

We won't stop evolving and there is no reason for a very alien but self-aware species to arise that comes to completely different conclusions to anything we've ever concluded.

>>9493336
I view driving the same way, but then I can't drive.

>>9492947
"Redpilled"

>>9492947
STOP TAKING LSD. ALSO ALOT OF PPL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.
I saw everything as plastic and "unreal" what ever that ment. Just hang in there it gets better, lay off the drugs if youre on them and spend your time productivly. SRY FOR BAD ENGLISH

>>9506006
Also I think its called DE-REALISATION
or atleast thats what i call it

>>9492947

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamais_vu

What's the word when you're tripping on acid and you're sitting on a couch and think "I have become the couch," while time freezes

>>9492947
Read the doors of perception by aldous huxley

>>9498410
the point being missed is probably pathologically malformed

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>>9506006
always to more acid.

Highly reccomended

>>9493043
I dont know the term but i think that it is caused by switching from seeing the chair as an utility to seeing in as on object in the world.
Most of the time when you pursue things (ans therefore you use the chair to get to your short-medium-long term goals),and that gives meaning to your life. But in the moment when you contemplate it as an object you are aware of the meaningless of things. This is my theory

>>9506521
Most of the time you pursue things*

>>9492947
I have the same happening to me quite often.

I can even almost trigger it on command by just meditating on the concept of how completely weird and surreal it is that "I" exist and all the retarded shit I do, care about, say, etc. I thus also apply this to everyday items, animals, etc.

In general I can't even see a lot of sense in everything we do, make, say, etc. besides the very functional or instrumental sense.

The weird thing is that as a child I constantly had thoughts about myself not existing, "what would happen than?". It wasn't really in a suicidal sense (sometimes it was though) but also, more in general, the concept of "nothing" was in my thoughts a lot and what it would entail in relation to itself , our universe and ourselves.

I guess reading quite a lot of Aristotle and Marcus Aurelius in my late teens made it worse (more of derealization/depersonalization feelings) since they constantly reference the nature and function of things.

>>9498728
This guy is right though

>>9494449
>>9492947
It's called self-remembering

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>>9493265
Trugbedeutungsdistanzierung.
It just made it up.
Translated: The feeling of distancing yourself from false or pretended meaning.