>“When bankers get together for dinner, they discuss Art.

>>9489487
Sex. That, or alcohol.

>>9489487
Alcohol.

slipary wet dog poop

>>9489487
movies

>>9489487
Writers aren't artists?

>>9489487

>"Why do people not consider us Artists?"

>>9489487
>Then what do Writers discuss when they get together for dinner?

The latest netflix meme show.

>>9489509
>>9489511

Fucking NO ONE thinks of writers when the word "Artist" is said

Maybe some fairy poof will think of a poet, but not actual writers.

>>9489787
Sorry, lad, your pleb is showing.

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Writers don't get together for dinner.

And Wilde discussed neither.

>>9489509
Writing can be considered art, yes, but most writing is not art. I would consider writers like Joyce who sought the pinnacle of language to be an artist, but not your typical writer who only cares about expressing ideas or a story.

>>9489862

Wilde discussed handsome young men, which many would argue are an Art unto themselves

>>9489873
>only cares about expressing ideas

what do you think artists do different, pray tell

>>9489877
Pence, get the clamps.

>>9489487
Whether they are artists or not.

>>9489873
>Music can be considered art, yes, but most music is not art. I would consider musicians like Bach who sought the pinnacle of sound to be an artist, but not your typical musician who only cares about playing chords or a melody.

>>9489888
That is actually very true. There are intellectuals who don't consider music to be art.

>>9489894
And those "intellectuals" don't listen to much music anyway.

>>9489888
I don't see any problem with this. It works both ways.

>>9489873
>Painting can be considered art, yes, but most painting is not art. I would consider painters like Pollock who sought the pinnacle of paint to be an artist, but not your typical painter who only cares about depicting scenes or a landscape.

>>9489888
>but most music is not art
wooooooooooahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh how controversial!
oh wait

>>9489898
Fuckin playa haters man, what do they know
they don't know music

Writers don't eat, they absorb all their energy from books

>>9489487
They discuss suicide

>>9489909
This is still true to an extent. I don't think pollock is really a good example though, since he's pretty controversial.

Logically it depends on who discusses literature when they get together for dinner.

>>9489487
I'm a writer, and I just talk about whatever comes to mind. Often alcohol. It's on my bucket list to fuck a trap.

>>9489951

No one

So, logically, when writers gather for dinner, they discuss nothing.

>>9489998

>I'm a writer

Easy to say. You're not a fucking writer unless you're published. Are you published?

>>9490046
i see a whole board of people discussing literature. now that would mean that writers discuss autistic narcissists? makes complete sense to me.

>>9490054
6 books self-published. Making 2 figures a month... granted, it's not much, but it's a start. Expecting to start 3 figures in a month, maybe two at most.

>>9490054

Define "published"

>>9489951
Philosophers.
So that mean writers discuss philosophy.
Makes sense.

>>9490067
fanfiction writers are "self-published"

that ain't much of an achievement

>>9490067

Self published isn't being published bro. You're not a writer, sorry.

>>9490076
seems reasonable enoug

>>9490067
>Making 2 figures a month
Holy shit I hope you're just fucking around here. This is too funny to be real.

>>9490088
>Selling one painting isn't exactly much. Sorry Van Gogh, you're not a painter.

>>9490128
You are terrible at this.

>>9490153
terrible, yes - but great

>>9490082
I don't write fanfiction, but I do make money from my novels, novella, and novelette.

>>9490088
That's nice. I'll cry all the way to the bank with my $50 bucks a month which is steadily increasing, as is my bibliography with a new book being self-published just about every month.

>>9490319
*novellae, and novelettae.

>>9489487
What does dinner discuss when it goes out for dinner though?

>>9490128
I'm not you. Either way, it's indeed a meme that a self-published writer with multiple well-written books, is not a writer. Yes, you can write a 'book' with perhaps 5 letters in total, including a title and pen name, and self-publish it. Absolute and utter jokes, not in the funny way, can be self-published. Doesn't matter; I'm making $600+ a year from my books, and that's just based off of the last 9-10 weeks or so. Steadily increasing.

>>9490102
Yeah I know, it's funny.
Self-"published"
Less than $100 a month

Most self-published authors make less than $100 in their first YEAR, I'm not even 3/4 finishde my first year and I've made damn near $100 in a 1 month period. There are some who are making 5 figures a MONTH, and while I don't know if I'll ever achieve that, nor do I care if I ever achieve that, I am making money from my writing which is more than most people can say. I'm proud of my books, and I look forward to writing more books. 15+ years ago, yeah, self-publishing would be laughable. 2016-17? Hah, yeah, no, self-publishing is a very legitimate way for writers to get their start. It is a meme, a /lit/ meme, and nothing more, that self-publishing books is a joke.

>>9489894
>>9489898
This. It's the same people who claim video games aren't art.

>>9489787
>Fucking NO ONE thinks of writers when the word "Artist" is said
Except for the people who do think of writers.

>>9489873
Positivist are invading /lit/ and yet at this point this post is probably the stupidest one on this board. Congratulations

>>9489500
>that one anon who posts "slippery wet dog poop" every so often, seemingly at random
I love you man.

>>9490463

>that one

Do you think that every post that has senpai in it is by the same user?

It's called a meme, you drooling catholic

scat porn

>>9489909

I fucking love /lit/.

BTFO people with their own fallacies, so nice.

>>9490440
Video games can't be art by definition. They're games.

>>9490493

>Sculptures can't be art by definition. They're sculptures

>>9490499
I'm sorry, adults are talking here. Don't ever post on this board again.

>>9490507

Could've fooled me with the highchairs and bibs, bub.

>>9490513
I explicitly remember forbidding you from posting here.

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>>9490517

>>9490493
This makes no sense.
>literature is not art, they're just books

I don't know how you can't think of the likes of Braid or Ocarina of Time or similar as "just games".

If you can't consider the games themselves art, can you consider the graphics art? The story art? The music art?

>>9490525
>Braid or Ocarina of Time

Jesus, have mercy. Strike down these pseudo-intellectuals so I don't have to share this board with them.

>>9490525
>I don't know how you can't think of the likes of Braid or Ocarina of Time or similar as "just games".

They're just games and you can't say otherwise

>>9490538

They're more than just games.

>>9489881
Uh, Art. Would you describe your reply (conveying an idea via words) art?

>>9489787
>Maybe some fairy poof will think of a poet, but not actual writers.

Well it was Oscar Wilde who said it...

>>9489487
Diddling little girls while speaking about Schopenhauer.

>>9490532
They are nearly unanimously agreed to be some of the most art-like by the gamer community.

>>9490539
B-BUT YOU COULDN'T HAVE SAID THIS, THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!

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>>9490532
Videogames can achieve high art regardless of you shallow repulsion to their mainstream community.

>>9490565
It is the gamer community that is actually the biggest problem with video games today.

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>>9490565
they don't understand their own medium (not like i do)

>>9489933
this, who can afford dinner?

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>>9490565
>yfw the "gamer community" is responsible for things like Five Nights at Freddy's 1-5, Minecraft, Pokemon, CoD 1-∞, and basically created and fosters entire populations of manchild neets who feel legitimized thanks to moneypits like so-called "esports" and "professional" gaming.

>>9489873
>>9489787
>NO ONE thinks of writers when the word "Artist" is said
How the hell do you know that? Writing is an art form and so those who produce it are artists, whether they reach high standards or not.

>>9490549
shitposting is a art

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>>9489884
Clamps?

>>9490782
There is far less wrong with video games being played as a sport than represented as an artform. But I'm probably biased in that regard.

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>>9490782

>>yfw the "writer community" is responsible for things like Twilight, fanfiction.net, Fault in Our Stars, Tom Clancy Thriller #1-∞, and basically created and fosters entire populations of whining tumblrinas who feel legitimized thanks to moneypits like so-called "Young Adult" and "fanfiction" writing.

>>9489487
>what do Writers discuss when they get together for dinner?

audience pussy

>>9489873
>it's a "the word art has inherent value and isn't just a term for human expressive creation" episode

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>>9489884
Tell me which sodomites do I have to trump with my charge pump?

>>9490915

What?

>>9491276
>We learn (in his biography) about DFW’s womanizing, about his book-tour fondness for “audience pussy,” and that he once wondered aloud to Franzen about whether his only purpose in life was “to put my penis in as many vaginas as possible.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2012/09/d_t_max_s_david_foster_wallace_biography_every_love_story_is_a_ghost_story_reviewed_.html

>>9491369

>DFW was so autistic he didn't understand what "Groupies" meant

What a fucko

>>9490940
/thread

This is the conclusion everyone with a brain comes to in these debates, why do you keep starting them?

>>9490440
Excellently crafted bait

>>9491387

>This is the conclusion everyone with a brain comes to in these debates

No, the conclusion reached is either

>Everything can be an Art

or

>Nothing is truly Art

>>9490539
Art by definition doesn't require winning and isn't a competitive thing.

Video games are more akin to puzzles or sports than they are to art.

They include media elements, and they include art work. But they aren't fine art.

I play lots of games and I have since I was a kid, and Oot is one of my favourite ever, but don't pretend it's art. They're games and mostly mindless entertainment.

>>9493083

Show me a single (A SINGLE) scholarly source that states "Art by definition doesn't require winning and isn't a competitive thing"

>>9493083

Do you consider Warhol's video of himself eating a Whopper Art?

>>9493083
Not all games have 'win/lose' states and good games successfully weave them into the narrative as part of their mechanical metaphors.

literature is a form of art

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>>9489487
Why would I want to get together for dinner with non-friends?

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nope wrong.
bankers together = jfk and the cia.
artist together = autitis in need .
writers together = ball of useless.

>>9489487
>implying writers aren't artists
>ishygddt

>>9489487
How their Art can make Money.

>>9493682

Ah, so that's why writers are so poor! 'Cause they don't make art!

>>9493676

See >>9489873

>>9490903
Wrecked em.

Metal Gear Solid 2 is art

discuss about the possibility of a cook

>>9489487

>Then what do Writers discuss when they get together for dinner?

How they are going to pay for dinner and who didn't pay last time.

>>9490088
>Basing a medium of human expression on capitalistic ideals


I can shit on a canvas and splatter a drop of pink paint on it and You're damn right I'm a painter, doesn't mean I'm a good one. The only definition of the word is a person who partakes in the medium, not whatever dumb fantasy of a "writer" you set up for yourself

>>9489787
So, your way of claiming OSCAR WILDE didn't meant that is by claiming only FAIRY POOFS would

>>9493026
The fact that you think that these two propositions can't work together and that not only art works on those propositions, it also tries to go beyond (and even succeeds) all the time, you should probably go away from 4chan, this site isn't meant for 250 year olds.

Writers are artists. But I wouldn't want to discuss money. No sir. Money is a boring theme. I would want to discuss progress!

>>9490517
powerless pleb