>>9472641 Why do you care so much to be published? As

>>9472656
>intellectual modern novella about the human condition
The reason these aren't being published is because they're almost universally trash and unmarketable - compared to the average published trite which is equally garbage but at least marketable.
Nobody wants to read pretention spouted for pretention's sake

>>9472641
I know her.
She was on teens react.

>>9472641

Zero, because publishers don't know what good literature looks like. Self publish.

However, the respect you show the publishing industry tells me your stuff is shit, too. So maybe they'll take it.

>>9472710
You mean "teens on my basement react".

>>9472724
Yeah, because Dante Alighieri self published. As well as Hemingway and Joyce.

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>>9472726
I'm sure.
Same girl.

>>9472641
If you're unbelievably good, I'd guess your rejection-to-publication ratio would be about 9:1. If you're only fairly good, maybe 20:1. As you build credits your likelihood of getting published snowballs. You should also recongize that most people who work at journals and publishing houses aren't as well-read as good writers usually are, so the criteria for "publishable" is not the same as the criteria for "good". Most people who write never get published, that's true for every sample at all levels of talent.

>>9472748
Is this b8?
her name is Kelly Baltazar, her story is well-known and we know for sure that she is not the teens react girl. You really think that if that was true, you'd be the first one to make the connection?

Almost zero.
>>9472656
>Why do you care so much to be published?
Because I don't want to work any other way? Do these questions really need to be asked?
>>9472724
You're dumb as a rock mate.

>>9472748
Hahaha what's the name of the Teens React girl? I love the Mayli porn but there's so little of it, I'll just go with the other girl.

>>9472761
Even if you get published you won't be able to live off that so you'll still do the whole reading tours shit etc. which is no different from never having published except easier.

>>9472641
It depends how good it is, and how/where you try to get it published. If you write something really good, I'm pretty sure that it will be published somewhere. Whether it will find a strong audience is a completely different matter though, and as much a matter of luck as anything.

>>9472761

That's the best you got? Name calling?

I guess I AM kinda dumb for expecting anything else from a "how do I wipe my ass" thread.

>>9472757
yeah
but there is quite a resemblance

OP, if it's really that good it will get recognition sooner or later. Even Melville eventually got recognized.

>>9472641
Some knowledge of the industry and actual publishing process will help you quite a bit. Even just a few hours on google. (hint hint)

>>9472746
Dante lived before the printing press dumbfuck

>>9473032
You missed the point
Intellectual wannabe scum

Slim. It helps to have connections, which is why so many people pay out the ass to study an MFA or MA in creative writing.

My first book was accepted by the first publishers I sent it too but I withdrew because it was trash.

My second book, which I liked a lot, was rejected by around 25 places.

I just had a short story win a competition and it's getting published in an anthology book, so that's something at least. But I doubt I'll ever get a book published via mainstream methods. I plan on writing a book and posting it on /r9k/ for free in PDF and then selling physical copies on LULU.

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>>9472641
Pretty much zero if you're a white (ie non-Jew) male without personal connections to a publisher.

>>9472703
>nobody wants to read pretention for pretenion's sake
Except that people do. Most fantasy/sci-fi/post-apo books stay afloat on being pretentious, political satirie, social criticism and pop psychology alone. Also it depends on where you are from, for example in eastern Europe they've got a big thing for pretentious writers.

>>9473132
>accepted by first publisher i sent it too
>never sent it to any literary agents

you clearly dont even understand how the publishing industry operates. hardly anywhere accepts unsolicited manuscripts and if you're sending your manuscript directly to publishers that means your book has been rejected by every agent under the sun. submitting directly to publishers is a last resort. sounds more like you've read a lot of stories about rejections than having actually gone through the process.

>>9473145
>Pretty much zero if you're a white (ie non-Jew) male without personal connections to a publisher.
i think people like to tell themselves this as an excuse to not write. if a jew could make 1 million in sales from your book do you think he'd turn you down? connections only give you an edge if you're churning out the same drivel as everyone else.

>>9472781
>If you write something really good, I'm pretty sure that it will be published somewhere
What's the 'I'm pretty sure' based on? Common sense suggests this wouldn't be the case at all.

>>9473380
>What's the 'I'm pretty sure' based on? Common sense suggests this wouldn't be the case at all.
there are people that are basically retards that can crank out a nonsensical novel in their spare time in 2-3 months. they get 80k words of unrevised and unedited work and they send it in thinking that the revisions and the edits and the real actual work of putting a coherent story together will come later after the agent/publisher accepts their BRILLIANT IDEA. that's probably 90% of submissions and that's why rejection rates are so astronomically high. agents are bogged down with garbage.

Mine are pretty high if I make the right connections at uni

>>9473431
Source? Do you work for a publisher/agent?

>people still think you have to publish through a publishing company in the age of the internet

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>>9473498

but I need people to take my novel seeerrrriiioouussslllyyyyyyyyyyy

(because lord knows they're sure as fuck not after reading the first 3 pages)

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>>9473498
Writers are poor by definition. They can't afford publishing and distributing physical books of a reasonable quality.

>>9472641
Pretty much 100% or at least damn close to it, and within potentially just a day or two once your book is finished. Self-publish. Ignore the /lit/ meme; self-publish anyways. First book? Isn't part of a popular niche, or IS in a popular niche but it's already flooded with content? No, you probably won't much much of any money starting out, and if money is all you want then you might as well give up after the first book like lots of self-published authors did.

Me? I kept writing for over 6 months after self-publishing my first book, right up to the present and I'm still writing. First 5 months? Maybe averaged a dollar a month, DEFINITELY less than a dollar a week at any rate. BIIIIG learning curve in self-publishing, but I'm learning, and within 6 months of self-publishing that first book I'm making roughly $50 a month. Well, some of it are from paperback CreateSpace sales and that's an entirely different thing so it's more like around $35-45 a month, with $5-15 going towards paperback sales on CreateSpace which must collect $108 before you are sent a $100 cheque with the remaining $8 going towards the cheque itself being sent.

I continue to write, to promote, to self-publish, and so my average earnings are indeed increasing. I make money just about daily, and while some rare days I do make absolutely nothing in ebook/paperback sales or KENP, other days I make so much that it makes up for those dud days.

So yeah, OP, you can try traditional publishing if you want, and I invite you to do so, but it would be a a missed opportunity to not self-publish as you're doing so. I suggest keeping ebooks exclusively on Kindle so you can utilize the services of KDP Select, meanwhile if you DO get the chance to be traditionally published, limit them to physical copies only. Then you'd get the best of both worlds, because Kindle dominates ereaders and will give you SUBSTANTIALLY higher royalties than traditional publishing.

>>9473469
>Source? Do you work for a publisher/agent?
no but i've spent countless hours researching agents for my work and have determined this to be the case based on what they write in blogs and their advice to writers. It's not that they're awash in mediocrity they're reading through mostly nonsense and unfinished ideas. it's the only logical reason why rejection rates are so high. people are lazy and they dont want to do all the work of writing a novel so they slap something together send it in and cross their fingers because they know what they sent took 1/4 the effort as it should have and of course they get rejected. i've even read that editors complain that what they get is a mess and the editors are the ones that select the books to get published and at that stage a ton of people have already given the work the go-ahead. so just imagine the kind of insanity the agent (first filter) sees before they find something that someone actually put effort in to.

>>9472641
Depends entirely on whether or not it's marketable.

If they know it will sell, it can be completely garbage--stylistically, intellectually, even grammatically--and still get published.

Even if you're the next Shakespeare, talent alone is not going to help you a whole bunch until you've bled from your eyes to get deals and get published. After a decade or so of failed attempts and once your New York Times Bestseller® gets a movie deal, you'll be golden to write whatever tripe you can put on paper with a near guarantee of it getting published, since your name will be a brand unto itself.