http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence r/2017/05/transracialism

>>9459945
no one is going to read that clickbait shit brah

It's funny because you're doing exactly what the article is describing.

>>9459951

TL;Dr: Junior professor of philosophy writes paper comparing trans gender people with trans racial. Gets excoriated by other academics and the journal, both for the topic and with falsehoods.

>People I don't know talking about shit I don't care about in papers I don't read.
Really made me think

>gender is a social construct
>you can be any gender you want

>race is a social construct
>you can't be any race you want

???????????????

>>9459945

>How is philosophy, the academic area, taken seriously

Outside of its own little bubble, it isn't.

Not reading the article, btw.

>>9459967
>comparing trans gender people with trans racial

This is wrong. The Hypatia article was meant to draw parallels between popular ARGUMENTS for trans identity and those for 'trans-racial' identity, to highlight the obvious weaknesses of the former.

>>9459980
transgender and transracial are actually very similar, i think it's a good argument, didnt read the article tho

>I'm the guy who constantly posts about infinitely many possible axioms and how the space for unfalsifiable ideas is infinite.
No shit? This is common knowledge

>>9459984

I'm going to shoot myself.

>>9459967
What's trans-racialism? Like that woman who was passing as a black woman and got elected to her chapter of the NAACP?

Clearly she's dismorphic/disporic whatever-the-hell the boys call it.

>>9459972
>Really makes you post.

>>9459977
BOOM

>>9459967
Doing god's work by questioning the insanity of the identity politics.

>>9460009
It wasn't because they thought she was crazy. It was because they thought she was being offensive to trans people.

>>9459975
You're not black if a good chunk of society isn't instantly afraid of you when they see you in an unpoliced public place. You just want to be black, which is a banal fantasy common to most white people (or other races) at one time or another.

I agree. But let me post the whole thing below this paragraph. The reason I keep posting it is that I never ever see anyone acknowledge it. I look at Reddit and see people asking stuff that can trivially be answered with, "It depends on how you define X". And when you point this out they (the people answering questions, not the naive laymen who ask) say, "Well of course you could trivially define X but we want to get at the TRUE meaning of X." Are these people snake oil pseudo intellectuals or are they genuinely stupid?

Why does nobody acknowledge that there are infinitely many possible philosophical axioms and infinitely many criteria for the judgement of these axioms?

It seems like once you realise this, all philosophical discussions become either laughable speculations about what the "true" definitions of concepts are (when these concepts are obviously arbitrarily defined); or, flailing about within the infinitely large space of unfalsifiable* conjectures. And the judgement of these speculations and conjectures is pretty much based on marketing.

I have never seen a worthwhile response to this. Can someone please give me an explanation?

* I mean we can't currently, at this moment, verify these things (e.g., We go to heaven after we die", "Once computers become fast enough, they will gain a consciousness"). And I know that science is merely a subset of philosophy. And I know there isn't an agreed upon scientific method. And i know there isn't an agreed upon definition of verify.

>>9459945
>I'm the guy who blah blah blah
literally who?
nobody cares man

>>9459997
it's a good argument that exposed transgenderism as bullshit, all the arguments against transracialism apply equally to transgenderism, if you shoot down one you kill the other, for better of worse, trannies need to deal with this

>>9459980
>>9459997
How are they dissimilar?
It's not the jokey helicopter defense. What is I weren't supposed to be born white?

Trans-anything is a mental disorder, not sole area of philosophy or any other humanities related field

>>9460021 was a reply to >>9459986

>>9460020
so if i tattoo a giant swastika on shaved skull i'll be black? cool

Holy shit, you idiots, just read the fucking article. It's well-written, well-argued, and takes a spanner to the head of the current intellectual climate of the academic left, which I know is your favorite hobby horse.

Chee-rist.

>>9460021
read derrida and lacan and shut the fuck up

>>9460033

saw "nymag" and assumed it would be some ta-nehisi coates tier bluepill bullshit

>>9460019
It was she who was doing god's work, obviously. Even if she did not meant to do so.

>>9460020
You're not a hot woman if a good chunk of drunken rapists aren't instantly turned on by you when they see you in nice secluded spot. You just want to be a hot woman, which is a banal fantasy, maybe uncommon to most white people (or other races) at one time or another.

>>9460036

no one needs to read derrida or lacan

>>9460032
Well if you subscribe to the Patti Smith philosophy of Rock n Roll Nigga, yes. If that doesn't satisfy you let me qualify my previous post by saying people are instantly afraid as a result of your dark skin color.

>>9460024
>>9460026

You have me defending a position I don't occupy. I'm not there. You're shooting at a scarecrow. You morons.

>>9460061
when i see a black guy in an unpoliced public space i avoid him not because i think he's dangerous but because i expect him to pathetically ask me for spare change, which as an autistic white male i find extremely unpleasant

>>9460064
i'm not arguing with you or anyone else, i'm just saying if transgenderism is "real" then so is transracialism, if transracialism is bogus then so it transgenderism

>>9460072
Sounds like fear to me senpai

so what the fuck is 'trans racial'

>>9460061
So if I'm not afraid, people cease to be black? If a person is unpoliced in a forest, what color is their skin?

>>9460084
well i guess if you have a very broad definition of fear, i also avoid white people with pokemon t-shirts and fedora hats because they will probably say a bunch of awkward shit that makes me cringe, do i also fear them? i guess, but i think fear of failed humans has a valuable evolutionary function, so no shame in my game, nigger

>>9460064
This >>9460073
Trans-age-ism is a thing too. Re: all the other plastic surgery cases.

>>9460054
Yes I do consider the ability to turn people on a definitive trait of being "hot"

>>9460090
so then the black identity is based around being scary, if we were to civilize blacks to the point their they didn't commit the majority of rapes and murders anymore, it could actually be genocide!

>>9460089
Someone who's one race but claims to be another. Apparently the article from the OP-post pointed out that we should respect such claims just as we (they) respect the claims of transgenders. Which made a lot of people uncomfortable.

>>9460090
Yes race (as in black people) is a social construct but skin color (as in having black skin), although changeable to a degree, is physical fact

>>9460059
shut the fuck up bitch

>>9459945
>Space
>Using a metaphor to bear the weight of your claim
You're not doing philosophy right, anon. No, I don't care what Heidegger said.

>>9460105
This is why you don't mix analytical philosophy with social politics, you sound like a goddamn retard

>>9460105
Genocide is killing people not rehabilitating them

>>9460124
but as you said the black identity is based around scared whites, so if blacks become non-scary it would be equivalent to genocide, like if all the jews in german converted to christianity they wouldn't have technically been killed but it would have been cultural genocide

>>9460138
I don't agree with you that black people need to change their behavior to be considered non threatening to most people, it's frankly not a problem they caused.

>>9460109
I'm having a hard time imagining anyone other than white teenage weaboos claiming a different race identity.

How the fuck do you even identify as another race, there are regional, cultural, and political components involved that are imposed upon you, not felt within you. Like transwomen who have no real skin in the game when it comes to women's suffrage, first wave feminism, etc. How is anyone other than a black person going to claim the black identity in America, where it is thrust upon the black person?
This can't be a very substantial movement

>>9460138
see >>9460122

>>9460113
I see. So they have black skin, but aren't black. Does this go for people in say Ghana? Are they black? Or do they become black only if they move to America?

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>>9460148
Boi I finna beat cho ass, show some respec

>>9460160
Yes people in Ghana are not black in the American sense until they find themselves in the presence of Americans.

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>>9459977
this so much desu, also checking them

>>9460148
And it's not, because there isn't much desire in a community to dress up as blacks, the way the homosexual community celebrated drag queens.

I suspect "trans" are simply homosexuals who wish to be taken seriously as "normal".
I don't hate on the dears, I just want them to feel better. And not have to call them by the wrong pronoun

>>9460160
Do you not know the etymology of "black/white" race identity? It started in America during slave trade. Back then people were distinguished by nationality so they got into the habit of calling anyone with dark skin "black" and everyone else "white". That's it. Its only a few hundred years old and no one else in the world did it until relatively recently. There is no "black" or "white", just conversational laziness. It more or less works in America, but the America is not the world.

>>9460026
are you on twitter butterfly?

>>9460173
But you'd agree they are black in the Ghanan sense?
What if there are in mixed company? Say 50/50 Americans and non americans, are they black in the American sense or some sort of mulatto?

>>9460194
I'm not American and I find these things are interesting/amusing. The knots you tie yourselves in!

>>9460109
Disparities in the treatment of different races in America are FAR FAR wider than those of gender (not to diminish the struggles of transgender people).

Also consider this:
>Two white parents have a white kid.
>Kid says they identify as black as many kids identify a gender at a youngish age
>Transblack kid is raised by white parents who can't "raise him black"

Lets even say that the kid gets his skin turned black by some means. Like dark as fuck and everyone on sights is like "that kid is black"
>Basically leads the life of an adopted black son

I'm gonna say that getting your skin straight up turned black at a very young age is the only way you're gonna actually be able to claim you identify as black as in belonging to the black identity. Something integral to black identity in america being how one is treated by society at large based on their appearance.

Looking at gender:
>Two white parents have a kid
>Kid says "I'm a girl," despite having a dong
>Parents say "Aight" and raise her as a white girl

What happens when neither of them pass?
>Transgender woman doesn't pass as a woman, what they claim their identity to be
>Treated as transgender woman, people don't default to treating a transwoman who doesn't "pass" like a normal dude. They're treated as an other. they're denied their chosen identity and simultaneously not allowed the comfort of their "original" heteronormative position

>Transracial kid doesn't pass
>"Oh its a white dude with a tan"

>>9460205
You're trying really hard to make that word mean something that it can't mean.
It's a social abstraction, put the yardstick away.

>>9459945
>none of these niggas have read trick baby

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americans are all mutts who gives a fuck

>>9460205
As >>9460194 suggested I don't even know if there's such a thing as black in the Ghanaian sense, but if there is it's certainly derived from the American social construct. While I'm sure most people in Ghana are aware of American conceptions of race through globalization, I doubt they are as preoccupied about it because Americans and white Europeans aren't very common there.

In mixed company? To the Americans the Ghanaians are black. I've already more than exhausted my meager knowledge of Ghana so I don't know what the Ghanaians think, but that doesn't matter too much under the American context in which transracialism occurs.

>>9460222
>transblack kids didn't grow up black

but this is a line of attack used by feminists against the trans community, they say the person grew up with male privilege and then chose to become female, so when they turned 16 and watched to much and anime and decided they wanted to suck a bunch of cocks doesn't erase all the formative years where they experienced male privilege, so even if they get filled to the gils with hormones they're still going to "think like a man"

>>9459945
Twitter
Real Peer Review
Actual, genuine, literal, verifiable, serious academic articles.
One is about watching "The Batchelor" with the author's friends.
See also Alan Sokal's "Fashionable Nonsense" and David Gelerter's "America Lite."

>>9460222
The question is not of practicality, but of philosophical arguments for or against transgenderism and transraciality.

>>9460222
so what if a black guy grows up to be transasian? we've all seen those black weebs, maybe he truly believes himself to be a jap, but he grew up "black", what does it mean to "grow up black"? you're not really black if your parents didn't smoke weed in front of you and black rap music all the time?

>>9459945

So I haven't checked Twitter in a while, who's winning the culture war this month?

ON THE SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION OF GENDER, RACE AND THE TRANS PHENOMENON: the blog post

Gender
This term refers to the state of being biologically male, or female. The manner in which biological sex informs behavioural patterns is the only objective facet of gender and we know very little about it. The extent to which it is socially constructed is twofold: the basis of the categorisation in itself and the negotiation of gender roles.

It is entirely plausible to conclude that our attempt at categorising humans through gender is restrictive. There could be biological sets of inputs that are more conclusive in identifying behavioural patterns that are more relevant descriptors of our social nature. This hypothesis however, does not deny the objective reality of gender (to be read as - the manner in which biological sex informs behavioural patterns), but would merely render gender as poor basis for categorisation. Being that biological sexes are objective categories intrinsic to our reproductive capabilities, one can see the seductive usefulness of attempting to categorise humans by gender.

Transgender-ism is also plausible. Whether biological (atypical chromosomal configurations that render behavioural outputs characteristic of the opposite sex), or social (inadequacies with regards to one's understanding of his/her gender roles), transgender-ism can be legitimized both ways. However, social transgender-ism, as defined above, is a lie (I do concede that it can be a beneficial one for some) and should not be rushed until maturity, while biological transgenderism is not really defined, although imaginable.

What is certainly not legitimate, is the construction of other genders with no biological basis. Transgender activism should focus solely on attacking strict gender roles, rather than adopting other categories based on the very socially prescribed criteria they are claiming to fight against.

Race
In the same manner as gender, race can be construed as socially constructed to a certain extent: the basis for categorisation and the negotiation of racial roles.

Once again, it is entirely plausible to envision a better set of biological criteria for races. Unlike gender, races as described today, do not have as strong a biological foundation - racial distinctions are not predicated on anything intrinsic to the interaction of two biological organisms (as is reproduction in the case of gender), so categorising humans as such is not quite as seductively useful as gender.

Unlike transgender-ism, transracial-ism cannot have a biological basis and is purely social. Much like transgenders, '''''''''''''transracial''''''''' people should be focusing on fighting strict racial roles as their transitioning is unjustified.

>>9460270
>See also Alan Sokal's "Fashionable Nonsense" and David Gelerter's "America Lite."

also see the guys who used an algorithm to write get a paper published in a stem journal, you think science isn't just as full of shit? if you follow any stem news you know fake papers and fraudulent peer review gets uncovered all the time

>>9460258
>>9460275
>>9460277

this is too difficult i'm gonna go read Americanah in the park to recharge my woke levels

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>>9460254
>>9460194
Is this stuff why you keep shooting each other?

>>9460284
>Gender
>This term refers to the state of being biologically male, or female.

wow man first line is already objectively wrong, way to start off! lol i don't know which side you're going to argue on but if you don't know the most basic definitions of relevant terms then it's not going to be good

>>9459945
THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR SPECIALIZING IN THIS AREA

>>9460296
Why is it wrong?

>>9460314
come on bro, doesn't your community college offer an intro to sex and sexuality class? or it is one of those really shitty schools in trump country that just trains people to be plumbers and to repair air conditioners?

>>9460322
hey anon by your own lights what does "sex and sexuality" have to do with gender huh????

>>9460277
I'm half black/half asian
no cultural conflicts desu

>>9460322
it doesn't really offer classes on any of those '''''disciplines''''''. Read on, or don't, appreciate your like, opinion on facts, though.

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>>9460203
No. Why anyone is confuses and disappoints me.

>>9460335
is it weird being blasian? any noteworthy peculiarities to that state of being? i've heard traditional asians tend to be really racist against blacks, for example

>>9460341
sex is biological, gender is cultural... come on mr. """""""""""" i thought u were smarter than that, i am dissapoint

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When I was younger, and living in a different country, I used to often pretend to be a different race. I guess I've got a natural aversion to speaking English in non-English countries, and to the banal loudness of American tourists, so I'd often fake an Italian or French ancestry around them to avoid having to talk with them or simply for my own amusement.

At another point in my life, I was working at a hotel owned and largely frequented by Jews. My actual ethnicity (as far as that could even be considered a real thing) is a heavily Judiazed branch of Christianity, so I have a Jewish last name, which I would often blatantly wear while donning the metaphysical attire of a Jew, which hugely improved the way Zionists (not all Jews are zionists, but most zionists are despicable racists) treated me.

After this, I lived in Brazil for a time, and to avoid getting robbed, harassed, killed, or any of the other things that happen to gringos there, I again donned the identity of a latino and tried to fake an Argentinian or Italian accent.

My actual ancestry is very removed from me, being both ethnically mixed and growing up in a family of first generation immigrants, so I've always regarded it with the lofty apathy of a devout Nietzschean. Being a first gen immigrant it's not as if I haven't gotten my share of insults, taunts, and even systemic bullying, but without an ethnic megalith to petition on my behalf like Latinos or Jews have, I've never been given any sort of recognized victims status, special benefits, scholarships, or anything like that, nor would I want to as I find those things somewhat deplorable.

To SJW, who's don't care about being good people so much as forcing others to acknowledge what good people they are, there's really no benefit in giving a fuck about non-visible minorities, and they prefer to instead stick me with the label of "privileged white male" (as if being a privileged white female/tranny faggot somehow gives them the right to any sort of higher ground) as a kind of political rhetoric.

All of this, and maybe a childhood wasted being an anonymous poster on 4chan, has left me with a complete distaste of identarianism in all its forms. I've always felt there must be a vast ethnicity of people whom feel absolutely nothing, or even a dislike, for their heritage, but have been bullied into silence. The only identity I can respect is civic nationalism, in the vein of Socrates. Someone who's willing to transgress the banality of the masses, for the sake of the state, and the heroic individual who rather than being shaped by his political-historical circumstances utilizes it through artistic endeavor to shape society himself.

The Futurists, Pierre Trudeau, Napoleon Bonaparte, these are the real heroes of our age. All the Barak Obama's, Donald Trumps, and Gay Pride rallies of the world are just the miserable noise on the unwashed masses.

>>9460357
I partly agree. but the basis of gender is biological and modulated through culture. You should probably read on and see where you actually disagree.

>>9460357
It's a meaningless distinction only pushed by those with an agenda.

>>9460379
Hence the basis of gender is sex.

>>9460387
Yup, no disagreements there.

>>9460348
No? I mean I don't really have a point of comparison and I live in SoCal so race isn't a big deal anyways, and it never has been to me. My sister identifies more heavily with her races than I do, so she'd probably tell you different but it's really not anything I consider part of my "identity". I consider race to be who I am in a social context rather than an existential context.

But yeah, most asian immigrants are super fucking racist. They're more racist than white people, but less likely to be confrontational or even vocal about it because it's more of them picking up on American stereotypes than their upbringing. It's just ignorant racism rather than the ignorant/hateful combo. A lot of my friends are asian and their parents always warm up to me after a short while

>>9460254
This is the most neo-colonialist thing I've read all day. Well done, racist anon

>>9460400
>it's more of them picking up on American stereotypes than their upbringing
keep dreaming, senpai
try visiting your asian ancestral country

>>9460449
I did, I was practically a celebrity. A lady wanted me to marry her daughter.

>>9460222
How does oppression make one trans more legitimate?

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I guess there's no point at which they're going to stop and say "ok, we got everything we wanted". There are only two ways this can end.

>>9460021
This is a terrible argument. Do you not believe in math for the same reason?

Axioms by definition are infinitely possible - any statement can serve as an axiom to an interpretative system of signs. If we wanted to, we could construct a new mathematics where after 100, numbers roll over back to 0. Therefore, big numbers would be impossible. We can codify this axiom with a combination of others that make arithmetic possible, and from there we can tease out the logical implications of such a system. The problem is, this isn't useful. What is this system going to help us describe? Is it going to show us something about the properties of numbers that we hadn't realized before? Probably not, considering I just chose this axiom arbitrarily.

The same goes in philosophy. I can assert that "I have actually been dead for 8,000 years and my current experience is actually a flashback" but philosophy can only begin when I try to find the implications of this. But, in my positing of a world "above" mine coupled with a distrust of the sensible world I experience, this investigation will only remain a conjecture of things that by definition I can't see. So, even while the assumption may be "true," from a philosophical point of view it is useless since it precludes any ability to discuss it.

No thought is possible without base-level assumptions. If we are going to replace these assumptions, no matter how obvious they might seem at first, the only result we have to measure them is how far our investigation "goes."

>>9460358
are you the nietzsche expert who posted some threads a while back on him?

>>9460194
but what about india havent they be separating people for centuries using skin colour

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>>9460629
>If we wanted to, we could construct a new mathematics where after 100, numbers roll over back to 0. Therefore, big numbers would be impossible. >We can codify this axiom with a combination of others that make arithmetic possible, and from there we can tease out the logical implications of such a system. The problem is, this isn't useful. What is this system going to help us describe? Is it going to show us something about the properties of numbers that we hadn't realized before? Probably not, considering I just chose this axiom arbitrarily.
This is your brain on liberal arts.

Oh, another 'can't distinguish gender/race from gender/racial roles, so I'll expand on my confusion according to my political leaning' thread.

Gender in the west is predicated upon sex and modulated by culture. The ladyboy example are descriptive of places where gender is predicated upon culture, but modulated by sex.

>>9460721
explain

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Is this what our future will come to? Until everything's a spectrum?

I'll read the article later and add my sauce, but if it's true that she isn't criticizing and instead arguing that race is a spectrum; well, I guess it's time for another holocaust then.

>>9460098
B-but it's a cultural construct! That means it gets to be whatever I want!

>>9460061
99% of people in the West would be more afraid of a white guy covered in tattoos with a wifebeater walking around like a tweaker than of a black man in an immaculate suit.

When its pointed out that blacks commit more crimes, lefties are quick to point out that socio-economic factors matter more than race, but not so much when it comes to the oppression olympics.

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>>9461197
I'm a trans-home-owning-millionaire.

If only I were treated as such.

>>9460124
The actual definition of genocide is
>the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

So you don't have to kill anyone, just breed them out through careful ideological propaganda mixed with an influx of different cultures++
(granted, it's a pretty shitty definition, because per def the destruction of the NSDAP post-ww2 was also genocide)

>>9460194
>everyone else "white"
Except Poles & Irish and tan-but-obviously-not-blacks like Italian, Puerto Rican, Mexican, etc, and the Squareheads are white but still squareheads.

>>9460032
lol

>>9461215
So "exterminating" roaches from your kitchen can be done by inter-breeding them with a different kind of roach

Typical braindead immigrant from /pol/

>>9460358
I like this post a lot, good post.

>>9459945
>philosophy
>taken seriously
I don't understand.

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This really makes me fucking sick, even more when. It's defended by the same sjw s who think it's different to dolezal

>Assistant professor
Doesn't nearly every University have thousands upon thousands of assistant professors on retainer? that's even worse than understands calling themselves academics.

>>9460733
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_arithmetic

>>9461235

He's right though. The second species of roach could change the cultural values of the original species such that they all go live outside.

>>9460517
This, levels of historical oppression are not currency.

Also, The American Conservative article on this article was good.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-self-murder-of-academic-philosophy/

>>9461299
She is stated as tenure track though.

Doesnt matter, if you pass peer review, the journal should defend themselves. What hacks

>>9459945
There's nothing inconsistent here. By the logic of progressive oppression politics, blacks are far more oppressed than transpeople. They are so oppressed, in fact, that it's wrong for someone to change their race to black because it trivializes the black struggle.

>>9460517
Oppression is like some metaphysical force to them. They're completely beyond reason.

>>9460673
no

>>9461241
Thanks anon

>>9461302
ah, sure enough, but my point about axioms still stands

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>In late March, Hypatia, a feminist-philosophy journal, published an article titled “In Defense of Transracialism” by Rebecca Tuvel, an assistant professor of philosophy at Rhodes College in Memphis...

Stopped reading there

Unlike everybody ITT I actually read the article. This article is expressing indignation and outrage on behalf of the professor who wrote the Transgender article for being thrown under a bus by her journal and witch-hunted by other academics who obviously did not even bother to read her article, or else deliberately and maliciously spread lies about its contents in order to virtue signal.

The article wasn't about justifying transracials or trying to prove their legitimacy, but was an abstract comparison of transracial arguments in comparison to transgender ones and seeing how those arguments used to support transracialism reflect on the transgender community and what it means to dismiss them and so on. It was meant to make people step back and observe themselves more objectively. It was still written in a very respectful way that didn't demean anyone. Very professional article. Which is why it passed peer review in the first place.

And yet you have people making up wild claims about it disrespecting trans people and even being misogynistic and not citing enough women of color and so on. The hilarious part to me is that they actually did an open letter with the worst grievances on it, and the NYmag article goes on to prove how literally every single one of them is bogus and how every single person who signed that letter did not even read the article they were demanding be retracted.

She fucking exposed them. In fact, she exposed them so hard that several of the high profile names on that letter retracted their signatures after this article was published, which she notes in updates.

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>>9460543

Their entire identity is formed around opposition. They will never, ever be satisfied. They will always invent new things to be offended about. It's worth noting that a lot of them have made a literal career out of being an "activist" and aren't going to voluntarily give up their jobs.

>>9460021
>I know there isn't an agreed upon scientific method
what

>>9460144

>it's frankly not a problem they caused.

How is it not? Blacks commit a disproportionate number of violent crimes, including murder and rape. I'm sorry if you think this is "racist" but it's an objective fact.

>>9461443
Hey, someone else who can read. Greetings, anon. Are you lost, too?

>>9461549
also blacks love to dress up in thug uniforms and then get mad when ppl react to them as if they are thugs

>>9460194
Wait, so blacks weren't black until they came to America as slaves?

>>9460358
>the lofty apathy of a devout Nietzschean
Misreading : the sentence

>real heroes of our age
>Futurists
>Pierre Trudeau
Ugh why do I keep coming here.

>>9461650

They have this idea that skin colour is a completely superficial trait and any differences between humans are the result of culture i.e. social constructs. The idea that there might be some innate differences between white people and black people is incredibly offensive to them.

It's fanatical egalitarianism.

>>9461650
Of course they were "black", but calling someone something does not make them that something. The point is that it was not a social term until English speakers got involved. nobody called them "black people"- that was never a thing until American slave trade and the dichotomy does not apply well to all nationalities on the whole, which is why they don't bother identifying as "black" or "white". It doesn't mean very much at all outside the American context.

>>9461677
That's not even remotely close to what I said

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>>9461705

But sub-saharan Africans had already been used as slaves for hundreds of years before they began to be shipped to the United States. Their skin is a dark brown colour, very close to black. It makes perfect sense to call them "black people."

>>9461733
most of the transatlantic slave trade was done by jews and spaniards who didn't speak english so wtf are you talking about

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>>9461443
It's amazing how people will take any provocation to shitpost, but so few of them want to read on a board devoted to literature.

>>9461740

The word "Negro" is Spanish for black, and that's what black people were often called before the 1960s.

>>9461733
It doesn't make perfect sense because they didn't speak English and I'm beginning to think you don't even know what the argument is an you're just running off the momentum of being a /pol/tard with opinions

>>9461750
exactly, it came from the spanish/portuguese, this idea that no one ever called an african black until north america slavery started is fucking retarded

>>9460097
Aren't you queers supposed to stick together?

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>>9461779
See >>9460188
They say it's a mental problem, they confirm it themselves, yet claim a physical and social change fixes it? That's nonsense.
I'm born this way and have to make my peace with it, just like everybody else. I'm not being intolerant, they are.

And I hate the Q word. Fuck the "fluids"

>>9459967
Based.

>>9459945
>tfw no qt philosophy professor gf that triggers every sjw

why even live bros

>>9461874
fuck off terf

>>9462107
Tirf really. *inclusionary*
What's so wrong with wanting my comrades to be happy with themselves for who they are?
The surgery, the pronouns, the public bathrooms, all that wont make you happy.
Wear and act the way you want, but if you want to pretend to be something, do it in full acceptance of who and what you are.

>>9460148
Im pretty sure its not a thing outside that crazy NAACP lady, the only occurrences Ive heard of people claiming people were different races, were black people calling Bill Clinton black

>>9462147
When people say "Bill Clinton is Black" its tongue in cheek, since they see him as a benefactor of the black community and appreciator of the culture. Tl;dr honorary black

T.black

>>9462152
why do you fucks take tongue in cheek shit so seriously? you get into shouting fit repeating the same thing instead of explaining the nuance

>>9462163
Thats pretty common for stupid people regardless of race. I dont deal in those types.

>>9460054
>You just want to be a hot woman, which is a banal fantasy

hey man, my fantasy is rad and is not subject to your categorization of it being "banal," but if you remove the B, then you're definitely in the ballpark.

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>>9461759

It was the Portuguese who first used African slaves in the late 1400s to harvest sugarcane. The Portuguese word for black is "negro." Sound familiar? It's because Africans who have not interbred with white people have very dark, almost black looking skin. It's not some random social construct, they literally look black.

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>>9460241

Ironically transracialism is a way more radical idea that could finally kill biological ideas of kinship. If a family can adopt a child, why can't a minority community adopt people? Race is such a stupid way to build social relations.

That article's subject is only associated minimally with the philosophy of politics and or science. It wishes it could be associated with the little explicated philosophy of identity but could only be referenced for theological examples and maybe...sigh...for some tautological proofs. It doesn't go nearly in depth, from what i've skimmed from the prologue, to the step by step measures for systematic experimenting to be a good "science" article and isn't nearly a strong enough subject to be a powerful subject for phil. of politics which it most closely resembles...it doesn't help that phil. of politics and social sience has been more or less dead since the early 1960's. Get educated bitch, your still struggling with metaphysical ultimatums and you will till you die.

*you're

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>>9462379

Too late, post disregarded :^)

>>9461675
>My herd mentality reading of Nietzsche is completely correct and infallible

Go back to
>>>>/QUEBEC/

>>9460205
>But you'd agree they are black in the Ghanan sense?
Everyone in their country is "black" so it's considered the norm. Race isn't that important when the population is homogeneous and there's no "other" to differentiate from. Only by moving a more diverse places does race become a thing.

I hate everything about this thread, especially OP for being such a massive faggot

a lot of asian identify as white just not openly. many get surgery on their eyelids and bleach their skin. many are westernized that they have only seen asia through books. if its a genetic thing then crispr or another like it will fix that.

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Man, even the people who claim to be social constructivists don't even know what it means tbqh.

I mean, gender is a social construct yes, but so is money.

Just because money is de facto just paper with scribbles on them, doesn't mean you can just choose to ignore it's socially constructed value.

And the same applies to gender, sexuality and gender roles. Just because it's socially constructed that women or men's identities are to a certain extent socially constructed, doesn't mean you can just wake up one day and decide to the detriment of everyone around you that you're going to change it.

>>9459984

>transgender and transracial are actually very similar

Except one is partially rooted in a complicated mix of biology and psychology, and the other is just some bullshit made up by a crazy White bitch with a tan so she could claim to be Black.

Funny thing is, Dolezal is now unemployed and basically homeless. Bet she wishes she'd just claimed to be White all along, rather than claiming to be Black and suffering the economic hardship of being a Black person in the United States.

>>9459967
Now watch the alt-right latch onto this thereby providing her critics with more ammunition and landing her in even more trouble. Like clockwork.

I dont think its taken seriously. She says she got btfo.

>>9462375

jfc

>>9463062
That is not the result or argument at all.

>>9460073
No it's not because there is no neurobiological basis for race in the same way that there is for gender.

Yes SJWs paradoxically claim gender doesn't exist but that's just them being retarded.

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>>9459945

>>9463243
She is on the side of rationality though, and the target of crazies on the left not based on the quality of the work, but because she spoke words that may not be spoken. And then her fucking peer review board didnt back her up. Brian Leiter says she may be in the right for defamation.

Considering the daily masturbation over philosophy and free speech on this board, I am surprised at the awful quality of discourse in this thread.