what did annas dream have to do with her death? The peasant working

Nah Its just a warning to all the sluts. The main character is Levin.

Anna sinks, Vronsky rises. Levin (Lev) is ultimately character numero uno (as the previous anon states).
Nonetheless we have inklings, intuitions, and they know no borders. For instance, Tolstoy himself died at a train station..

>>9420468
it means you read a book by a slave rapist and are trying to derive cohesive morality from it, when really, Levin is a mary sue self insert, and Anna is some cunt who didn't let him fuck her. So, he naturally wrote himself happy, amd her miserable, to teach women like her a lesson in the future. Astounding depth, right?
>y-your interpretation is flawed!
so, Tolstoy couldn't be a petty human being? Even Joyce made insults to his enemies in Ulysses.

4chan is too misogynistic to discuss Anna

Not even memeing, every single time the book comes up it's just endless "she was just a dumb whore" posting. Try another forum.

>>9421577
>implying Tolstoy wasn't the misogynist
oh my, it's almost as though people mention it every time because it's an aspect of the novel!

>>9421587
there's a difference between discussing it as a serious topic and just blindly saying everything she did was because women are dumb sluts

>>9421593
well, why did she leave her child to be with a prettyboy douchebag, for example?

>>9421561
>buzzwords: the post

>>9421593
oh, women are dumb sluts. well, if you look at Tolstoy's character, his flagrant womanizing behaviour, it isn't untoward to attribute Anna's flaws to his opinion of women as a whole, even Kitty, who is only truly happy in subservience of Levin, or even Dolly, who is the real tragedy of the work, a woman so bereft of free will, that she must accept her disgusting husband and his sexual transgressions. If anything, the male characters likely represent different stages of Tolstoy's life, in some respect, all in their relation to women around them do they come in relief as douchebags. Levin isn't too much of a douche, I'll admit, but he's the hero, so his flaws must be slowly erased by religious fanaticism, or mowing grass, or whatever. Anyway, no, Anna didn't act that way because all women are sluts, but rather because that's the general opinion of Tolstoy's. not all women are sluts, but the ones who are must suffer as abominations.

>>9421613
>i don't have anything to offer in response: the post

>>9420490
>>9421561
Just kill yourselves, ok? Or go read and discuss fantasy and YA, those genres seem more suitable for you.

>>9421645
>kys, you hurt my feelings calling my favorite author a slave rapist

>>9421658
It was a different time

>>9421658
Get a life, you post this same shit in every Tolstoy thread.

>>9421587
>>9421577
I do agree that Tolstoy doesn't write women particularly well. Sometimes his female characters seem a little simple or even dog-like in their actions, but he more than makes up for it with his psychological insight. I also don't think the book is specifically about "sluts and roasties" at all. Tolstoy is very critical of any sort of decadence (Oblonsky) and moral relativism.

Anyway, I wasn't looking for a summary of the novel or a main message or anything in general. I think I have a good grasp on that. It's actually my second time reading the book. I wanted thoughts on something pretty specific: the significance of that dream she has before her death. It seems very mysterious to me, sort of like a Tom Bombadil inclusion, but it's not random because there was obvious foreshadowing in the very beginning.

>>9421664
ah yes, genius moralist shouldn't be held to a transcendant standard like every other philosopher in existence. right.

>>9421669
The train is a metaphor for dick

>>9421669
the meaning aside from the obvious prophesy? not sure. doubt it is as simple as that. if i'm not mistaken, Vronsky has the same dream? maybe wish fulfilment in a literal sense?

>>9421669
is it the dwarf you've hung yourself upon? he was my favorite character. horrifying though. who knows what depths relate to his presence.

>>9420468
>Tolstoy pays a quiet tribute to this character of whom he disapproves but whom he loves nonetheless.
Is there anyone here who agrees with this interpretation and can they tell me what made them think so?

I don't agree with >>9421561 that Tolstoy was just petty and I agree with >>9421669 that he has great psychological insight but while he shows understanding of his characters I didn't feel any sympathy and it was vaguely upsetting. It's true that this was back in high school and I might not have made a very good judgement then. Though to be fair this "criticism of moral relativism" thing doesn't sound very encouraging.

>>9421561
>woman doesn't fuck, she's a cunt
>woman fucks, she's a slut

>>9421827
yes, exactly why Tolstoy and Tolstoy fans are problematic in this day and age.

its just wierd how sympathetic tolstoy gets to Anna once she decides to kill herself

>>9421938
Tolstoy was probably suicidal himself

plebs.

>>9421561
>slave rapist
documentation for this claim, please?

>>9424702
he outlines his exploits in his diaries, as well as his wife's diaries.

>>9424721
that's not a very well cited source. quotes? passages?

>>9424785
well, there's the book Natasha's Dance: A Cultural History of Russia which goes as follows:

"Tolstoy loved to be among the peasants. He derived intense pleasure - emotional, erotic - from their physical presence. The 'spring-like' smell of their beards would send him into raptures of delight. He loved to kiss the peasant men. The peasant women he found irresistible - sexual attractive and available to him by his 'squire's rights'. Tolstoy's diaries are filled with details of his conquests of the female serfs on his estate - a diary he presented, according to the custom, to his bride Sonya on the eve of their wedding; '21 April 1858. A wonderful day. Peasant women in the garden and by the well. I'm like a man possessed.'

a quick example without just telling you to read the diaries, yes, it's sourced, just look it up yourself. i trust you understand what is meant by "squire's rights" as well as i do.

>>9424830
was it rape, though?

>>9424843
>squire's rights
stop being fucking dense.

>>9424846
>>9424843
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur

of course not. very common cultural practice in western society

>>9424846
Maybe they wanted the aristocratic D

>>9424899
are you implying that droit du seigneur isn't rape?