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Hi Anon, is Stoicism or Epicureanism the better philosophy? Maybe

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Hi Anon, is Stoicism or Epicureanism the better philosophy? Maybe I'll go on a date with you if you get it right (;
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>>9399693
JEEEESUS CHRIST
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>>9399693
Whichever one will help me put a baby in that qt.
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>>9399693
who IS she?
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Stoicism is an unrealistic ideal that tries to oppose human nature. Next
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>>9399724
i-i'm just a girl who wants to learn about philosophy senpai
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>>9399727
Philosophy is ideals. No one on this planet indulges in pure epicureanism either. People often choose what is convenient over what will make them happy, that's human nature.
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>>9399693

i want to cuddle her
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>>9399741
Lmao, human nature is an ideal as well. It is, dare I say, a spook
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>>9399693
>better
Better at what? Answering this question will help you get where you want to go.
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>>9399756
As something observable we can consider it common habits of people, practical rather than ideal phenomena.
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>>9399804
If you say so anon
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>>9399693
They are not opposed.
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>>9399891
Why don't you answer the question?
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>>9399905
I'll try to figure that out on my own anon, thank you for making me realise my question was flawed. Pick me up at 7 (;
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>>9399950
Keep posting qts
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>>9399950
If you answer it here, people can help you from that point. No reason asking for help has to be all or nothing.
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>>9399950
I want to live in her underwear
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>>9399693
Epicureanism. I wouldn't want to go on a date with a stoic anyway.
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>>9399965
Alright anon, I'll cave. I lack direction in life and a lot of things I see sadden me. I'm ambitious, I want to do something great (just like anyone else I suppose). Also have a mentally ill mother who I have a hard time dealing with selflessly. I just need something that'll help me deal with life more and help me with my goals.
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>>9400016
This is the first image since OP that's awakened my dick at all; not as good, but something.

By those criteria, Stoicism is the clear winner if you have to choose one - but I recommend that you expand your options, and abandon the idea that you have to choose only one philosophy or that philosophical schools are all-or-nothing affairs. That said, even stoicism alone will serve you well in those goals and your journey towards them. Peace. You also owe me a heady date that you will never EVER be able to deliver, you dumb bitch.
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I haven't had sex in fucking ages God why must you torment me with these Sperm Wyrms?
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>>9400064
me either but japanese chicks look fucking retarded, my cock remains unmoved
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>>9400067

You've never wanted to have sex with a retard? Be honest it's 4chan.

I think they look kind of like ayy lmaos.
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>>9400076
i fucked a fob and it cured my yellow fever
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>>9400083
What's a fob
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>>9400164
Am I a fob anon?
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>>9399693
Maybe a mixture of these two being switched by conscious thinking.
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>>9400083
What's a fob anon
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>>9400164
u wack it to waifus like a fag and don't know what a fob is...i bet the only time u met an asian girl was when you ordered take-out, kys my man
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>>9400164

An Asian who is "Fresh of the Boat"
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>>9400173
This is a blue board ya fuckin dip
>inb4 not nudity
Still stupid. Doesn't belong here
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>>9400185
Why did you fuck a fob? Holy shit man what an awful decision, they will use you and then leave once your utility has dwindled
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>>9400192
i said i fucked a fob, i didn't say i bought it anything, you beta faggot
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Do you fuck in my school in the woods or do you want to reason about why procreation would be good for the nation while sitting in our apartment. Also, do you like friends or find people to be mostly a potential threat to you, potentially leading you astray from your civic duties.

I personally respect that Stoics are out their slaving away for me, but I'm just gonna chill in the forest with a book, some company, a nice cheese, some clean water, and let them fuckers stress each other out while pretending not to be stressed themselves.
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>>9400195
>hurr beta meme
Fuck off, fucking a gook that barely speaks English isn't an achievement
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>>9400185
I never met an Asian girl, we don't have those here ;(
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>>9400188

U mad whitboi?
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>>9400204
True. I went out with a jap international student during my undergrad years. I was legit fetishizing Asian chicks like no other. She was cute, no doubt, but took awhile for her to open up to me. Always flaking on me, texting me hours after I would text her. Genuinely fucking with me, I'm almost sure. Fast forward a few months, she's inviting me to her dorm room watching American films and she loved when I analyzed them for her, or would explain the Pop culture inherent. We get to fucking and, well. It was sex... boring sex. Tight? Yup. But boring and... like sex. She would try her hand at passion but it fizzled and desu was not much different than all the slags before her. There would be the occasional wildcat but nothing mindblowing, yknow? Anyway, like Sam Jackson once said, and I live by this now: Pussy's pussy.
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>>9400244
>>9399693
>>9399891
>>9399950
WHY? WHY MUST YOU TORMENT ME WITH THESE JEZEBELS???
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>>9399724
Pyo Eunji
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>>9399727
>Stoicism
> tries to oppose human nature
Why is it the fate of stoicism for its thought to be so misunderstood that it makes online discussions of Nietzsche look like Ivy League post grad debates?

>>9399904
Yes they are, one is based on virtue as the good and the other is pleasure. You cannot reconcile them.

>>9400005
So you would rather date someone who doesn't engage in sex? Epicureanism eschews sex and love relationships in favor of Platonic friendships.
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Be a slave to your own convictions if you want the easy way out.
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Isn't stoicism just epicureanism for masochists?
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>>9400064

To encourage you to stop wasting what precious little time you have in your youth on a shitposting forum that has, honestly, never given you any insightful posts whatsoever, but at most a single good belly laugh once or twice a week, and to make you realize that browsing imageboards keeps you at the exact level of complacency that keeps you suffering, bored and unfulfilled but without the drive to actually change. It's like opiates but less fun, it's like social interaction but not fulfilling, it's sort-of-interesting every once in a while but never unfruitful. So every once in a while, you see one of these libidinal posts, and you experience a brief moment of critical reflection: what am I doing with my life? How is this use of my time furthering what I want? But instead of taking action, you'll most likely masturbate, then browse again. You'll do this for years on end, the only change being the meme of the month, the size of your gut, and the height of your hairline.

I'm out niggas. The sun is shining and the girls are pretty.
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>>9399727
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>>9400657
>Yes they are, one is based on virtue as the good and the other is pleasure. You cannot reconcile them.
what the what now

I admit I haven't really read shit but my understanding is that stoicism is summed up as "don't be controlled by your suffering" and epicureanism "don't cause yourself suffering". is that not so?
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>>9400677
>going outside magically changes your life
woah...you should write a book or somethin'
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>>9400244
>that tummy tuck scar

really makes u think
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>>9400687
>stoicism is summed up as "don't be controlled by your suffering"
Stoicism does stress that all events are only good or bad based on your judgments and opinions of the events, but there is more to it than that. It also focuses on the overall greatest good, an impartial "God" (Nature), mind or soul over body, and virtue. It is easy to see its influences on Christianity, and philosophers such as Descartes and Leibniz.
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>>9400677
there's a reason why I ended up here and it wasn't because being captain of the football team was too easy.
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>>9399815
Wrong. Humans only have a slice of the pie. We still have to fill in the corners with ideals. Human nature is a spook.
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>>9400677
>this projection
Not everyone is in your personal hell, anon.
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>>9400741
that's a computer generated image you fucking idiot, the "scar" is supposed to be the impression her panties left in her soft belly skin, get a clue horrid shutin
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>>9401114
>that's a computer generated image you fucking idiot
no it isn't http://nofuli.com/zh/2016/girls/wanghongzipai/1120
>is supposed to be the impression her panties left in her soft belly skin
not supposed to be, is.
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>>9400048
Made me lol at the end there. Good advice and a sense of humour are a rare combination here or anywhere.
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All these people making threads about stoicism I guarantee have never read any great stoic philosopher's work. Or any stoic for that matter.
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>>9401437
I've read Meditations anon, nothing on Epicureanism though
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>>9400687
>is that not so?
No.

>epicureanism "don't cause yourself suffering"
Epicureanism is the idea that pleasure is the only good. Avoiding pain is a big part of it but it is an instrumental end, not an intrinsic one and is not a good way of trying to sum up the philosophy.

>don't be controlled by your suffering
This is way off. The purpose of stoicism is the achievement of eudaimonia, a concept that makes no sense outside of virtue ethics. Because most people only read Aurelius, Senica, and Epictetus they develop an incredibly bad understanding of stoicism. It is far more than merely therapeutic.

If I was going to try to sum up both philosophies in a single pithy sentence without reference to their actual ends I would say something like
>Epicureanism
>Live a life dominated by static and mental pleasures, using practical reasoning to guide all your actions to achieve this
>Stoicism
>Live a life of constant mental training to make oneself the best human one can, both in their internal mental states but also in how they interact with other people
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>>9401485

>baby's first stoic book

It's literally written in bullets. It's good, but you won't understand shit about stoicism until you read discourses, handbook, and fragments by Epictetus.

You also not only have to read it, but understand it as well. Take your time. Absorb the ideology. Then you can possibly not be like the unsurprising plethora of retards spouting off about Stoicism for some reason.

Btw, anyone care to explain this meme? When did /lit/ start being interested in stoicism? Because all the pol cross board shitposters are almost immediately called out.
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>>9401437
As I said here >>9401592 that isn't the problem. To only read those three philosophers is a terrible idea if you want to understand stoicism. It can improve your life and I'm not saying not to read them if you aren't going to do any further reading but just for these people to keep in mind that they know almost nothing more about stoicism than they did before they read the books.
The only way for someone to have any chance of understanding stoicism is to have a working knowledge of virtue ethics as a form of normative ethics, a knowledge of Greek so one can undertake coming to grips with what the actual terms used by the philosophers actually mean rather than being lazy and trusting English words that translate a concept that doesn't exist in English, and reading modern scholarship on the subject because stoicism is too complicated to understand more than a part of from those three.

tl/dr
Reading Aurelius, Senica, and Epictetus is absolutely fine and I hope you find useful tools to help you live your life, but if that is your only exposure to stoicism remember you know pretty much nothing about stoicism so don't trash talk it on the internet.
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>>9401485
Epicurist has been happy lately. He was not, was, is not, and does not care. He believes the highest good is pleasure. He worships the Greek gods but does not believe they concern themselves with man. He is untroubled by death.

An atomic, ethical creature fond of thinking and the absence of suffering.
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>>9401592

You seem like someone who's read Stoic works.

My question to you is how does Epictetus not relay, in great detail, exactly what the essence of stoic ideals are?
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>>9401592
>>9401637
Why would you criticize those 3 as inadequate to understand Stoicism, and then fail to provide any others?
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>>9401746
hurr durr if u dont offer an alternative i better keep beign retarded
>smashes head in
WHATS THE ALTERNATIVE I CANT HEAR YOU LMAO
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>>9400173
W H O
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>>9401592
>eudaimonia
does anyone still living have a fucking clue how that is defined?
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>>9401637
>trusting English words that translate a concept that doesn't exist in English
It is precisely because English words are individually inadequate to convey the Greek that it is useful in describing such concepts.

When you can't rely on single terms to encompass complex meanings, you have to explain it exhaustively and in detail from lesser and more incontrovertible meanings. A certain level of explicitness is useful in philosophical matters; transporting the contents to another medium (language) forces this explicitness, and can highlight the emergence and unique importance of new terms.
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>>9401756
I'm not saying that at all, I'm solid in my understanding of Stoicism and am not limited to those three, but that doesn't excuse the deficiency of your platform.

Zeno, Diogenes, Panaetius - name literally any other than the three you took issue with to indicate you have an idea of what you're talking about. It's just being disagreeable for its own sake.
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>>9399693
>it's an asian girl gets posted and /lit/ shits itself thread
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>>9399693
disgusting harlot be

GONE
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>>9401903
You are part of that useless reaction, you know? Either discuss Stoicism vs Epicureanism or accept that acknowledging interesting things is fine.
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>>9401756
>hey, I know a lot about this stuff
>let me tell you, limiting yourself to those three is a disservice
>make an effort to explore [insert Stoic writings here] as well
What is wrong with the idea of including the last statement? It is a mere footnote of effort and a major difference in the utility of your contribution.
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Hedonism
>When life gives you lemons, make lemonade
Stoicism
>When life gives you lemons, pretend like lemons are sweet
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Post more qt Asian girls you faggots.
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>>9399693
Stoicism is only good as a lifestyle choice, most of the higher tier philosophy behind it is horribly outdated.

Read Epictetus.
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>>9402086
>the higher tier philosophy behind Stoicism is outdated
>read a Stoic philosopher
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>>9401927
Nothing disgusting about her. The disgusting one is you.
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>>9402095
>Stoicism as a lifestyle choice
>point to stoic who tells you how to life a stoic lifestyle
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>>9399693
>rejection of existence is good
They're starting blocks, small Korean woman, but not ends—unless you want to end up like Seneca
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>>9399693
The stoics actually made contributions to philosophy, but they got a lot of things wrong too. Epicureanism is a meme though. Even its main premise is wrong.
Also, wear some decent clouthes, dumb whore.
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>>9402126
What are you talking about? Her clothes are exceptional.
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>>9401945
I never decried the act, only observed it
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The only true philosophy is just beeing yourself

You may begin sucking my dick now, asian sloot
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>>9402160
Eh the body is okay, but the face is so plain. I don't see why I am supposed to find that attractive, even compared to other caucasians.
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>>9402151
The observation was not that useful outside of the implied criticism.
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>>9402048

Wrong.

It's more along the lines of: Life has given you lemons, now go out, man, and stop complaining! Alongside these lemons nature has also given you the ability, the choice to let these lemons affect you or to limit the distress lemons cause you in general.
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>>9402160
The thing is, just being yourself means a lot of different and even contradictory things on different levels, even to a single person at a single moment in time.

You have influence on who you are, and wanting to be the best person you can be - by whatever measure - just makes sense. There is more to any philosophy of living than "just be yourself".
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>>9400957
Could you elaborate on "Humans only have a slice of the pie"? What I'm taking away from this is you're saying that no one human demonstrates all the traits of human nature therefore it's an ideal?
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>>9401599
>When did /lit/ start being interested in stoicism
/lit/'s been talking about stoicism for a long time newfag.
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>>9402278

Oh ok, so you need 3 different threads to do it of course, right? And you need reposts of them too? Because you've been talking about it so long, right?
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>>9402314
>it's a terrible travesty when people make threads without checking the catalog, /lit/ is VERY serious business
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>>9399693
why are readers always the creepy pedos or homosexuals?
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>>9402396
Ostracization from society, they seek commune with texts that can't reject them.
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>>9400677
>I'm out niggas. The sun is shining and the girls are pretty.
whoa... eh's so cool.. damn....
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>>9402396

Why are you saying this? Can you give a single example? Multiple? Enough to justify this sweeping generalization?

>creepy pedo
>homo

Damn just make up your mind already if you're gonna bait with a lie at least settle and decide on one.
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>>9402399

They seek to c-o-m-m-u-n-e err.. Make dosh with t-e-x-t-s err... A job that literally can't reject them
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>>9402581
this is the only board where there's regularly shirtless dudes or sexualized kids.
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>>9401732
>My question to you is how does Epictetus not relay, in great detail, exactly what the essence of stoic ideals are?
You are reading someone who understands the world completely differently from you writer for other people who understand the world completely different from you. A translation necessarily heavily distorts the text by taking a concept that Epictetus had and giving you a as close of an approximate as possible which will be way off and very misleading unless one has read modern scholarship.
He is also only writing of the therapeutic aspects of stoicism. Stoicism is a fully fleshed philosophy that has a metaphysics, that made major advances to the field of logic and has a strong emphasis on ethics. You only get half of the ethical viewpoint from the big three because they are only writing from the therapeutic side of ethics.
You also need an understanding of virtue ethics, without which you will misunderstand pretty much everything. No ancient Greek philosopher is going to explain that to you because they assumed knowledge of it.

>>9401779
Well no, but that doesn't meant anything because people have always disagreed on how to define it. That's not just a modern phenomenon. It's like saying does anybody now how good is defined nowadays.

>>9401877
All you are doing is saying that reading modern scholarship about the stoics is important, so you are only affirming the point I was trying to make.

>>9401895
That person you are responding to isn't me. You also didn't read the thread that person was responding to very well. The original person asked for other stoics to read and you say Diogenes, a stoic who has no surviving writings? How are you meant to get a better understanding of stoicism through him. Why mention Zeno? We only have small fragments from him. How are you meant to understand anything from that? I will give you Panaetius because he actually has a body of work to study but you are going to have the exact same problem reading him as reading Epictetus etc. and that all of the points I have made about them are true for him.

>>9401746
Because I have done it in many, many other threads on stoicism on this board. There is only so much retardation you can put up with before you realise that maybe only a single person has ever taken your advice on the subject.
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>criticizing pedophilia in a thread about Ancient Greeks
What manner of retardation is this
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>>9402632
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>>9402637
Can't you see all the faggots sloppering over underage girls just because they look slightly retarded?
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>>9402615
>sexualized kids
>clearly in her twenties
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>>9402643
The term you're looking for is Yamato Nadeshiko.
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>>9402688
gay as fuck

go read Petrarch instead of watching silly anime
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>>9402694
Diogenes would have watched anime. You cannot deny this.
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>>9402658

This is America where if you feel even the slightest twinge of desire for a girl less than eighteen years old you're a PEDOPHILE
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>>9402705
>>/reddit/ is that way
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>>9402658
>>9402705
FUCK OFF PEDOS
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>>9402615
> this is the only board where there's regularly shirtless dudes or sexualized kids.
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>>9402716

No u
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>>9402632

I think you need to reread discourses, handbook, and fragments because that is patently incorrect. I am aware there are 3 Stoas, or ages of stoicism. The earliest I've read is Chrysippus, but that's beside the point: Epictetus does broach the topic of metaphysics, quite often actually. He also gives no notion that what he says must be therapeutic. He makes it clear he doesn't give a fuck what you think, but he's still explaining it. Translation obviously has something to do with it, but you can't avoid that.

I'd refamiliarize myself with discourses, anon.
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>>9402615

>/lit/ is the pedo homo boogeyman of 4chan
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>>9400016
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SAUCE
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>>9402396
it's what all the good books are about.
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>>9399950
>>9399959
>>9399998

I'm dying over here
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>>9399693
Thanks to the Internet, I'm on the that level of meta-ironic porn consumption where you are most interested if there was a pad in her underwear, or if they managed to keep things decent with just a swimming suite, or if that blur in specific areas means they altered the shape of her crotch and right boob (not to mention the face, which is obvious).
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>>9403256
dude you can literally see the underwear you brainlet
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>>9400687
>I admit I haven't really read shit
That's where you should've stopped.

>but my understanding is
Irrelevant. Look things up before trying to discuss them.
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>>9402185
posts do not require utility
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>>9404024
This does not invalidate the criticism.
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>>9402722
Sexual attraction to a twenty-three year old marks you as a pedophile, now? I wonder how anon rationalizes that to themselves.
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>>9399693
I am sick and tired of this. Every day I come to /lit/, and every day there is at least one thread up with an OP image of an attractive woman dressed scantily and posing seductively. It's probably the same one or two people who do it honestly. Let me tell you something, you faggot pieces of shit who are doing this: you are the poster child for everything that is wrong in literature, art, and society as a whole today. You are incapable of coming up with anything creative, thought provoking, or of substance, and you lack even the smallest modicum of intelligence, so you use "style" and "flash" and pizazz in place of it and to draw attention to yourself, because that's the only way your SHIT "creation" and ideas would ever get seen by anyone. And before you say anything, this has NOTHING to do with the fact that I don't have a girlfriend. Anyway, I will be petitioning the owner of this website to ban your asses, so enjoy being able to post here while it lasts, because it's not going to last long, just like you that one time you convinced an obese girl to let you fuck her.
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>>9404488
Is this pasta?
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>>9404579
Fresh from 2008 /b/
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>>9404589
I never liked /b/, to be honest. I came here for the good stuff.
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>>9404488
I knew a girl who looked like that, except cuter and less slutty
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>>9404627
I wouldn't want to go any cuter than OP, honestly. I could do with a little more sluttiness to the look, too.
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>>9403363
Yes, as most Asian models, she wears bikini under the clothes that are suposed to be skin-tight. My point is that there is no cameltoe or even silhouette of her labia.
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>>9399693

You know, there's a lot of petty insults being thrown around, but its part of stoic doctrine to not lower yourself to a level in which you are criticizing others in an insulting way, especially when there is no benefit to that criticism.

I know you're mad, I know. But lets put it like this: why are you mad? I could ask you: hey, are you mad? And you would say no. But its not true, you are mad. So why not just say so? What else is at stake here?

Hm... Really makes u think....
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>>9405027
fuck you
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My understanding of Stoicism

>you're going to die one day and that's fine
>nature is beautiful but also unfair
>in the face of this unfairness and beauty you have been given (by the gods) the ability to be always mentally prepared for what life (nature) throws your way
>as a human being it doesn't do you any good to be selfish but instead you should strive to be a good person
>if you have to choose between compromising your values as a good person or face death: then death is an option

It's a beautiful philosophy tbqh
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>>9405242

This just makes it all worth it
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>>9402257
I think he's just talking smack. What he's saying makes no sense. You guys need to define what human nature means. I take it too mean instinctual drives/organic phenomena as much as a shared set of human behaviors. I don't think it's a spook.
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>>9405415
Human beings don't have instincts. (Instinct, n.: a complex pattern of behavior that is inherited, not learned.)

Suckling could be considered the only human instinct, with the caveat that we lose that ability early in childhood.
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>>9405442
By your definition of instinct very few animals (if any) have instincts
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>>9405474
>By your definition of instinct very few animals (if any) have instincts
It's not "my definition", it's the literal definition from biology. And no, almost all animals have instincts.
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>>9405498

A man who is being drowned will thrash and kick
Children are scared of the dark before they even learn about how it can be dangerous
Make a loud noise behind someone's head and they'll surely jump forward

If not for instinct how do you explain a lot of man's irrational behavior?
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>>9399693
>>9400016
Oh wow
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>>9402893
Mika Konishi thank me later
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>>9402893
What a disgusting degenerate faggot must you be. I'm hella sure at 50 your life will be already ended.
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>>9401599
>You also not only have to read it, but understand it as well.

Gonna disagree with your emphasis here. You not only have to understand it, you have to PRACTICE it. The stoics detested "classroom philosophers" and saw the best use of philosophy as action, not mere thought.
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>>9399727
>human nature
>existing in a static and limiting form
You are a foundation of animal components, the most important (mentally) being inherent biological inhibitions and instincts. Other than that everything else is several hundred thousand years of societal and cultural developments that create particular individuals. We're lucky in that we are a particular material that can be warped into all sorts of shapes, more so than most other animals. In other words, we have a broad range of what we can be in terms of "nature". Of course if we shed our biology all together then there are no inhibitions and instincts and thus personality and emotions or the survival-oriented, socialising and cohesion layer inherent in our brain that we call "consciousness". But that's another thing entirely.
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>>9405534
The person you were replying to was a moron: in biology, in philosophy, and in general.
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>mfw this thread has survived for days on the strength of a few qt asians
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>>9405370
> it doesn't do you any good to be selfish but instead you should strive to be a good person

Sounds kind of spooky and arbitrary anon, let me guess being a good person is based on an idealized construct made by a group of philosophers who think their cultural biases are universal truths
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>>9399693
No -ism can ever accurately capture reality, now fuck off back to mongolia you zipperhead whore.
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>>9407294
>fat brainlet bitch detected
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>>9407281
actually more like the individual practitioner's idealised construct + with a general vibe of being empathetic, patient and accepting (of "bad" shit and the unknown).
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>>9407281
If a person is loved as a child they carry that love not only for themselves but for others as well. I'm unsure whether being given love later in life has the same consequence. This is the only standard I can think of for inherent good, and the will to be good towards others. Stoicism is a philosophy which brings this desire to be good towards oneself and others into sharper focus, allowing for greater conviction in this motive for the greater good for humanity.
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Why should I choose stoicism over epicureanism tho? What makes virtues worth following?
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>>9399693
Both are shit. Sorry, I don't date non-whites.
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>>9410496

>Not wanting children with superior high IQ Asian genetics
>Not wanting to not be purged when the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity sphere annexes your country
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>>9407281
>inherent good

If by "inherent good" you mean maximizing pleasure, then what makes stoicism different from hedonism?
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>>9411643

I think you replied to the wrong person anon
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>>9411643
How did you miss the various posts in this very thread that summarize the differences clearly?

I can understand being too lazy to pick up a book or even google something, but you chose to participate in a conversation. At least be aware of what's going on.
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Foreshadowing is your favorite game to play, but you can only win if the rules are heavily skewed in your favor. A minor setback. That YOU will pay for. A sponsorship, in essence. What is any different between giving me money and giving it to someone else? If its ill gotten all the same? Oh? Its not ill gotten? Hmm... Then why do you complain?

Hmm... you made a big mistake and have a huge egg on your face...

Hmm... you've described it yourself as a nightmare

Is it not time for compromise?
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>>9411846

They aren't reading the thread, they're just here to shitpost. Ironically enough this question generated some interesting answers even though this guy is probably not interested in either schools of thought.
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>>9400657
>Why is it the fate of stoicism for its thought to be so misunderstood that it makes online discussions of Nietzsche look like Ivy League post grad debates?
Did someone say Kneechee?
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How do I cure yellow fever? It's a full blown disease for me.
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>>9400173
Jesus. I bet her pussy is so tight, even my microdick could stretch her out
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>>9399693
Epicureanism is right about a lot of things, don't know a lot about stoicism though
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>>9399693
Op is Enuji Pyo btw
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>>9399693
nihilism
and if you like some hedonism
that's pretty much all you need
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>>9413796
so i'm really not trying to be a dick but please try to understand that just because eastern women are genuinely not that different from their western counterparts. whatever weird genuinely racist projection you have of asian women isn't real and the vast majority would probably find you genuinely repulsive
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>>9415441
>genuinely not that different
Eh, yes and no. Thanks for your projection though.
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>>9415441

>A
>Fucking
>Tripfag
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>>9399693
No clue.

Why don't you ask Chad over there? He's more your age anyway.
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>>9415441

Saying "genuinely" a lot doesn't make your post more convincing. You genuinely sound like a genuine retard. Genuinely kill your genuine self you genuine faggot.
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>>9402698
Diogenes would consider watching the sun settle a luxury.
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