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As I read the theaetetus I notice Socrates speaking of God. As

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As I read the theaetetus I notice Socrates speaking of God. As in one singular God. The ancient Greeks had their own pantheon of God's. Why does Socrates seem to speak of one external God?
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zeus, plato didnt believe in divine family feuds so he only cared about the boss of olymp
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>>9388436
So it is just a translation of Zeus to God?
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It's complicated

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism#Classical_Greece

The metaphysical idea of monotheism, or of an originating metaphysical God that would either make the polytheistic mythological gods merely allegorical or at least into lesser entities, was common enough that Plato could speak about it pretty casually.

Plato was preceded by a few generations of people talking quite a lot about metaphysical issues like these, though not nearly as refinedly as Plato did. The Neo-Pythagoreans were influential on Plato and spoke of "God."

>>9388449
Sort of but not really.
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Plato rejects the Homeric depiction of Gods, but is ambiguous with his usage of the singular 'God', and doesn't say 'there is only one divine being in this world'. To understand this clearer, you have to try to immerse yourself in the position of a Greek like him of his time. The divine wasn't just transcendental to the Greeks as it was to say, Judaism or Christianity with God--nor did they believe in strict orthodoxy of the Gods like them--but viewed the Gods as being inherit to the world around them and the embodiment of all sorts of the natural phenomenons they witness, and for many of their theories on this were made into the many elaborate myths that we come and know. Plato doesn't denounce the role of the divine Gods as being apart of many phenomenons in the world, but he isn't that interested in what particular God is apart of each one, but rather, thinks of it in more of terms of there being one God, whose transcendent and perfect and doesn't have the myths behind him like Zeus, who orchestrates the world, with lesser ones not being particularly autonomous, but serve more like gears to the working behind the world, and who they are or what attributes they have doesn't matter. Plato toys around making references to other Greek Gods in his dialogues and their stories just for convention of his audience, but doesn't actually show interests in inquiring about their existence or if their attributes are authentic with, let's say, whether Athena actually favors particular moral beliefs or that whether the rational behind why ships get wrecked are due to Poseidon. He practically says outright in his "Laws" that he believes that having the State's population to believe in the Gods is necessary for maintaining order and keeping the people unified, and treats them like a tool with how he suggests creating policies and laws around the veneration of them or temple locations by how to best influence the citizens.
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>>9388414
This is a traditional Abrahamic over-reading translation, which shows Plato as a prefiguration of their own degenerate form of theism, which indeed he was.
But to understand what -Plato- means, not what he brings about, you have to look backwards.
The gods are, primarily, the causes, the elements of nature higher than men. Just as a sword doesn't move unless someone picks it up, every event, even within the minds of men, has a divine cause, and each god in turn has a cause of their own. This is why every polytheistic religion ultimately accepts the First Cause and its supremacy- it's a basic fact of existence.
Now, determining these causes is the role of the prophet, and manipulating them is the role of the sacrificial priest or king.
We see this process in the first book of the Iliad. The Achæans are suffering, Achilleus asks that a prophet (note that there are several kinds) be sonsulted. Calchas explains that it is Apollo who has been offended, and why, and is causing the plague. Thus Agamemnon rights the wrong, and further, Odysseus, a king and therefore holy, along with the priest Chryses goes to offer a feast to Apollo to further ingratiate him
The fact that Homer is a prophet is often overlooked, since prophecy has no place in contemporary religions, and even all the Hebrew prophets we ignore usually just droned on with the same legalism about the same god. But if you pay attention, you'll notice that the men in the Iliad generally weren't aware of the divine causes & miracles going around them, and even when they suspected that a god was responsible they couldn't tell which it was. Therefore, they just say "some god". So it was the role of the poet to be a historian-prophet- with the special inspiration-knowledge of the Daughter of Zeus, Homer looks back at history and reveals the hidden reasons for why things turned out as they did.
Plato, though, continuing from Xenophanes, rejects the gods of Homer (regardless of whether this is true, their reasoning- that the gods' actions don't conform to their taste- is utter impiety & blasphemy and an inversion of the natural order) and an indeterminate portion of the rest of Greek religion. Therefore, though he knows that some god is responsible, he can't consult prophecy or tradition on which one it is, so he can only say "(a) god".
What Plato means, therefore, is pretty much just "a god", "some god, I don't know which". This is to be expected, since Socrates confesses to knows nothing.
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You're supposed to read Parmenides first m8, then you'll get it.
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