/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

first ssfhc vegan btw

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>interested in purchasing and reading the redwall books again
>go online
>New covers

Nope

>>9387725

Why would they change those old ones? They were fucking perfect.

>>9387725

Man. This stuff should be considered rape

Get them at an used books store. Earlirr editions have better cover art

Or just suck it up, Redwall is worth it.

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>>9387725
>a fucking phone poster

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>>9387725
That's a crime, the old covers were fantastic.
Seriously, hit up a used books store or even just your public library. These books are classics, they shouldn't be hard to find.

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>>9387725

>>9387748

Now that I think about it. I dont remember what size the mice were supposed to be.

The scene with Cluny riding an entire army on a hay cart set me up to think they were mice size but I recall the show having everything on scale as if they were human sized

How the FUCK do you even find decent shit to read anymore? No matter where I look it's so saturated if absolute garbage that it takes for-fucking-ever to find anything remotely interesting, and even then it's odds in favor of it sucking anyway.

>>9387807
Start reading real literature

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>>9387816
"Real" literature is no different than "real" art.

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>>9387807
You don't, the fact is that you were stupid as a child and could get swept up in cliches with ease.

I just re-read tamora pierces works every few years and enjoy the nostalgia.

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Whats the literary equivalent of this?

>inb4 GoT

Not enough GRI

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>>9387747
Wuts ur problem mate?

>>9387886
Malazan.

Thoughts on Neil Gaiman?

>>9387928
>The Malazan Empire simmers with discontent, bled dry by interminable warfare, bitter infighting, and bloody confrontations. Even the imperial legions, long inured to the bloodshed, yearn for some respite. Yet Empress Laseen's rule remains absolute, enforced by her dread Claw assassins.

>For Sergeant Whiskeyjack and his squad of Bridgeburners, and for Tattersail, surviving cadre mage of the Second Legion, the aftermath of the siege of Pale should have been a time to mourn the many dead. But Darujhistan, last of the Free Cities of Genabackis, yet holds out. It is to this ancient citadel that Laseen turns her predatory gaze.

>But it would appear that the Empire is not alone in this great game. Sinister, shadowbound forces are gathering as the gods themselves prepare to play their hand....

Doesnt sound too far off. Im impressed

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Want to start reading The Wheel of Time books.

Should I start with this or book 1?

>>9388017
Book 1. Why would you even ask that? I have never even heard of a series where reading prequels first is a good idea.

>>9387807
I get the same feeling sometimes. It's great hat there is so much coice these days, but it's quite hard to find the good options.
What I sometimes do is look up award winning books and start from there, for example: who won the nebalu awards. Those are mostly decent to good books imo.

>>9388025
Well a prequal is what happens before the main story anon. So if everything in it is set before events of book 1 then it is logical to read it first.

>>9388017
im starting with book 1, myself.

Do you guys read paper or e-books?
I want to read more fantasy, but ordering them from amazon is quite expensive and time-consuming.
Might consider getting an e-reader. Are in your experiences most good fantasy works available in epub/pdf/etc. format?

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Name a better science fiction novel.

>>9388052
I prefer paper but ebooks are more convenient.

>>9388052
That Russian torrent site is pretty good for finding epubs/ pdfs.

I forgot the name again though, fuck.

>>9388060
rutracker?

>>9388052
I prefer epub or Kindle. I have a hard time actually getting comfortable reading physical books because of shit lighting in my house and actually holding the books and all. Plus I multitask a lot so I usually do shit on my second monitor while I read.

>>9388060
Except they are all in Russian.

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>>9387834
Is that the goddess Kali?(white washed version)

>>9387807
You trust in chartanon-sama, he doesn't steer you wrong.

Any cool book with an "ace of aces"

Somebody who's the true undisputed king in combat?

Not some Icarium guy who gets knocked out every other page, but a true ace.

>>9388052
>Are in your experiences most good fantasy works available in epub/pdf/etc. format?

Yeah you can find pretty much anything in epub, an ereader easily pays for itself.

>>9388066
>>9388074
No, the other one. It's lib something but hosted on a Russian server apparently.

>>9388075
I forget where it's from, it might just be a random villain artwork.

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>>9388096

>>9387954
Malazan, unlike GoT, is high fantasy right from the start so the battles are decided by extremely powerful mages. It's somewhat similar to FFT in that aspect too.

>>9388075

Is there a classic fantasy equivalent?

>>9388102

Are math nerds the ultimate weapon of destruction?

>>9388075
Is anything on that chart like The Iron Dragon's Daughter?

That was such a weird book, I need more of it.

>>9388100
That's the one.

>>9388146
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Weird

>>9387937
Always falls just short of brilliance, but a nice enough read. Reminds me of Beagle and DWJ.

>>9388037
The whole concept of prequels exist under the expectation you already know the story. You wouldn't watch phantom menace before Star Wars, would you?

>>9387937
His writing is a little silly from time to time but his ideas and symbolism are right up my alley. He's one of my favorite writers, mainly because I consider Sandman among the best works of fiction made.

>>9388017
Book 1. New Spring is only good if you're (preferably deeply) familiar with the series lore.

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Just about done Darkness That Comes Before. Do I go onto book two, or do I move onto Sword of the Lictor?

>>9388075
>broken empire trilogy

Has anyone here actually enjoyed this shit? I read the first book and the edgelord main character just made me hate it. I have no problem with reading about rape and all other sorts of shit, but this was still bad.

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I need good URBAN FANTASY books

sci/fi fantasy works I like:

-first book of the Black Company
-Book of the New Sun
-Ligotti short stories
-Laird Barron short stories

...

thing is, I'd like something that's not YA or Harry Potter influence. Grimdark if it needs be. But good. Like Hellblazer / Hellboy / BPRD in comics, something like that. Lovecraftian influence is fine.

>>9388506

someone told me to read The Devil you Know once, apparently the author wrote for Hellblazer at some point, Im not that far into the comic so I might check it out in the future

>>9388531
Delano wrote that, it's solid.

>>9388506

China Mieville's The City and The City and some of his other work.

>>9388503
I read them all. I could feel there was edge but it was more a honorless doing anything to win. It sat really well with me.

>>9388548
I hate that shitty marxist can't do character writer

>>9388113
this
We need an intro to fantasy/classic fantasy chart

>>9388576
lord of the rings and Dune
there. done.

>>9388583
I would put Wizard Knight in there also.

>>9388053
Solaris.

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How does Blindsight compare with Journey to Arcturus? I've heard it's a pretty good philosophical-fiction book.

>>9388748
>Blindsight compare with Journey to Arcturus
Blindsight is an actual story, with the author's insight into biology and evolution (Watts has a PhD in Zoology or some such thing) peppered throughout. I frankly think that it's a bit overhyped in these threads, but it's pretty good. It's certainly worlds better than A Voyage to Arcturus, which is a gnostic parable with only the barest sketch of a story.

>>9388146
Anyone?

>>9388175
Any recommendations for Vandermeer?

>>9388797
>Any recommendations for Vandermeer?
Read Annihilation and then don't read the other two books in the Southern Reach trilogy (not because they're bad, they just don't add anything). Also, go read Veniss Underground and then come back and tell us how it is. It sounds real weird in a way that could break good or bad.

anybody know any good books/films/tv shows involving virtual reality? specifically VR games.

also any sort of future where people spend most of their time inside e.g. on their computers or at TV and barely socialise.

>>9388822
Snow Crash.

>>9388822
>anybody know any good books/films/tv shows involving virtual reality? specifically VR games.
Avalon, eXistenZ

>also any sort of future where people spend most of their time inside e.g. on their computers or at TV and barely socialise.
4chan, real life

>>9388856
I started watching avalon but I honestly couldn't stand the awful CGI. Is it worth pushing through?

Yeah eXistenZ is a good suggestion, I need to rewatch it though,

>>9388102
is it worth reading? im into FFT setting a lot

>>9388102
see I've heard loads of people just dismiss it as "fantasy dragonball Z" but honestly that sounds great.

>>9388822
Seconding Snow Crash, a fun classic.

An example many (myself included) consider to be not good is Ready Player One. However if you withstand the cringe-y parts the book end up being quite fun. It also plays heavily and bluntly on old pop-culture nostalgia, which is probably the reason it's gotten an enviable movie deal.
It's a book people here don't usually recommend but it delivers on everything your post asks for, despite it's deficiencies.

What's a fantasy subgenre that has persol super powers without being capeshit or shounen?

>>9388885
>I started watching avalon but I honestly couldn't stand the awful CGI. Is it worth pushing through?
Yea it gets real good near the end. Also who cares about awful CGI, it's a computer game after all.

>>9388923
okay I will definitely have to read snow crash then. I really regret starting infinite jest because I have so many other books I want to read.

And on the topic of RPO yeah I have heard it is bad but to be honest I am researching for a novel I am writing, so it is probably good to see what a shit version looks like.

What do you guys think about Shadow of the torturer? I've heard it's a good sci fi book and i want to read it, but i've never understood what's so good about it. Also, my favourite sci-fi authors are Mieville (especially Embassytown) and Lem. Do you think i would enjoy it?

>>9388371
Book two is the best book in the series imo

Is the only way for a book to get a fandom these days to publish it on the internet? I never see people talk about books outside of /lit/ except for the people obsessed with Worm

hello can you recommend me a fantasy book that has a kind of dark setting that involves assassinations?prefer medieval era or similar

>>9389023
Yes. Self publishing is the new meme to get attention from an actual editor

>>9389023

>Worm

What the fuck is this shit? I see it pop up all over the internet.

>>9389025

Every modern fantasy book.

>>9387791
In the first book, they were living in a human-scale world. In all the others, they were in a more woodland-scaled world; huge animals like horses were just left out, and the size disparity between e.g. cats/foxes/badgers and mice was reduced.

>>9387807
This is the reason I follow the way of the dinosaur. The only contemporary authors I make any attempt to keep up with are John C. Wright and China Mieville.

>>9388081
The old pulps. Conan, John Carter, Tarzan.

>>9387725
>>9387889
>open thread
>browse down
>I share these blessed hallowed generals with the scum of the earth known as phone posters
I bet yall are reddit too.
Please do us all a favour and kys.

>>9388973
It's one of the best works of SF ever written. What makes it good, basically, is that the author built an insanely intricate Dying Earth setting and then has a character from that setting narrate his story in the first person. Basically everything in the story (i.e., that the character, Severian, talks about) generally has, at least: a "surface" meaning written on the page, and a "real" meaning in the sense of what's actually happening in this almost indescribably bizarre world. There's usually also a "higher" meaning resulting from the main character being manipulated by godlike nonhuman beings/angels, frequently with some sort of real-world religious significance.

None of the above is spelled out in an explicit way whatsoever within the story however. You sound like you might not speak English natively; you may want to get a little better before you tackle it.

So do the Gorean books ever get smutty?

I read the first one expecting it to be "Robert E. Howard writes an 18+ John Carter fanfic" but I got the fanfic and not the 18+ and I'm fairly disappointed.

>>9389278
Thanks anon. You guessed it right, English is not my mother tongue, but there should be an Italian translation if i remember correctly, I'll read that one.

>>9388241
I know a guy who ALWAYS does everything in chronological order. Watches Star Wars starting with A Phantom Menace, watches Marvel movies starting with Captain America, plays Metal Gear starting with Snake Eater etc. That guy pisses me off so hard I want to scream whenever we talk about any series.

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>>9388052
I have a slight preference for paper (mostly due to the feeling of progress I get when the read part of the book becomes thicker, and the unread thinner), but lately I've been mostly reading on my Cybook Odyssey, since importing books is too much of a hassle and translations are never as good as the original prose.

Anyways, whoever realized that an ebook reader should have BOTH a touchscreen and physical buttons was agenius. Amazon's "you either get buttons or a touchscreen" is utter retardation.

>>9389352
>Amazon's "you either get buttons or a touchscreen" is utter retardation.

That's only for older Kindles and the paperwhite.The voyage and the oasis both have touchscreen and buttons even though they're quite expensive.

>>9389159
Is a web-published capeshit book.

According to tvtropes it's about a girl nicknamed skitter who can control bugs and is really clever about how she uses it: making spiders sew her a bulletproof outfit, suffocating villains by filling their mouthes with centipedes, etc.

>>9389306
Don't take my word for it, but a translation might not be a good choice either. People have been finding new hidden meanings in the book for decades, a translation is certainly missing things that the translator didn't notice. It's one of those books that you can read ten times, and discover new things every time.

>>9389367
I'm not sure about this PagePress idea. What's most important to me about physical buttons is tactile feedback, whick is missing from the pressure-sensitive system used by the new Kindles. I'd have to hold one in my hands first to pass a verdict.

>>9389219
Yeah, contemporary writers often lacks class.

>>9388037
A New Spring would be incredibly dull because you have no idea why any of the characters are or why the story is bothering with them. It's only interesting after you know who they are and what they will do.

>>9389352
>Prose Odyssey

Absolutely fucking plebeian.

>>9389025
Pick a fantasy book at random that was published after 1990 and you have good odds of getting what you want.

>>9388503
Maybe stop being a mangina and getting offended by a fucking book character?

>>9389458
BACK THE FUCK OFF!?

>>9389312
Your friend is a fucking faggot

>>9389458
Not him, but I remember not liking Elric because the character was just a huge cunt.

guess he should have written a white-knight story that gets the girl and called it fickle empire trilogy.

>>9389432
That's just an image from Google. I'm currently reading Lem's Star Diaries.

>>9389561
That's no excuse.

>>9389537

One this is to have a morally gray or even an evil person as a character, Caul Shivers comes to mind

But another different thing is to have shadow the hedgehog

>>9389565
Actually you're right and I'll pick my pictures with greater care in the future.

Is there anything like post apocalyptic or apocalyptic fantasy?
Also, any recommendations of lovecraftian-esque authors? Or at least books that make you feel more and more uneasy or tense.

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Just about finished this
First Warhammer novel i have read really impressed
Will read mine been avoiding them as i hate GW commercial explotative bastards
borrowed from library

>>9389637
Stephen King's the Stand comes to mind.

>>9389637
>Is there anything like post apocalyptic or apocalyptic fantasy?

Broken Empire.

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Anyone like the Culture series? Last books I read that lit a fire for me. Haven't been able to get into anything since

>>9389686
Currently reading and loving it!

Started with Use of Weapons and player of games. Lots of interesting concepts, and the narrative is top notch. Currently on like page 100 of excession.

Did you like all the books? I've been hearing that there are a few that are pretty bad (Like look to windward). Which one was your fave?

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>>9389637

>>9389770
>>9389681
>>9389674
Thanks

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>>9387712

Whats the most "out there" fantasy or sci-fi book?

What's the most imaginative, original, weird, and or unique one? I want to read something that feels like it truly came from an original mind in an environment that feels totally unique as possible from anything anybody else has written. Something so odd that who cares if it's even written badly, because you have to give credit for the author for having such a vision.

>>9388053
The Fifth Head of Cerberus.

>>9389908
VALIS
A Voyage to Arcturus
Book of the New Sun

What are some good fantasy books that aren't full of boring, personality-less characters who don't deserve to be in a novel?

No medeival/rennaisance europe epic fantasy or plain disgusting hugo-bait please (crobuzan can fucking burn for all I care)

>>9390037
Cugel the Clever is objectively the GOAT fantasy protagonist.

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>>9387954
>Empress Laseen
DELETE

>>9388576
Make it. Then be ridiculed for the rest of your existence on sffg.
Anyone saying "we need x chart" should make it.

>>9388146
Library at mount char. Enjoy.

>>9389759

I've read player of games, excession, and consider phlebas, loved all three. Funny you say that, I started look to windward and couldn't get into it - seemed bad. Excession was probably my favorite

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>It's a Julia chapter
>It's a pop-culture chapter that makes frequent use of the word "fuck" that comes after a very-well written and meaningful chapter

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>>9388506
>tfw the shitty chart(according to some) you made 2 years ago is coming in ever so handy

>>9387937
Writes like a gril

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>>9388946
>This is the book that never ends,
>Yes it goes on and on my friends
>Some people, started reading it not knowing what it was,
>And they will keep on reading it forever just because,
>This is the book that never ends,
>Yes it goes on and on my friends,
>Some people.....

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>>9390310
just watch the show

>>9389025
Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks.

>>9389637
Justin Cronin's The Passage was good. Sagged in book two but rallied in the third.

The story is complete and quite meaty at over 600 pages a book.

It has psychic plague vampires, though. Don't know if that's your thing.

>>9390147
>subjectivity

>>9389025
Waylander

>>9389637
>Is there anything like post apocalyptic or apocalyptic fantasy?
Jerusalem Man/Jon Shannow trilogy.

>>9390351
Feel like making it a show or movie would ruin what makes a lot of the book good. I might start it, but after i've finished the books.

>>9390360
>actually suggesting Brent "Tight Pussy" Weeks

>>9389908
Awake in the Night Land

>>9390397
Word to the wise. They are focusing too much on Elliot and his faggotism. I literally CRINGE when they shoehorn in this "i knew you were gay from far away and approached".

>>9389908
I found library at mount char to be that. Things I was assuming kept being proven wrong time and time again.

>>9390399
o-one book doesn't define him

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>>9389908
Jorge Luis Borges may be what you're looking for, an Argentine author of short stories from the early-mid 20th century who depicted worlds of oblique logic, unfathomable infinities, labyrinthine and illusory realities, double identities, cabalist logic, obscure allusion and intertextuality.

For example, there is a story about a lottery in Babylonia, where tickets begin as monetary rewards, but this becomes mundane, so there is a change to arbitrary non-monetary rewards and then punishments. The lottery operators become a clandestine and omnipotent company, so that all good and bad acts, even ones of a highly personal and subtle nature, could potentially come from the lottery; and there is a question if it even exists. In another story, people inhabit a library composed of an infinite number of hexagonal rooms, containing books with every permutation of words in an alphaber; the books are overwhelmingly gibberish so that men are driven to suicide in their life-long search for books that make sense. Then there are stories of golems, dream projections, summaries of fictitious enyclopedia entries about fictitious worlds, or fictitious books.

Borges likes to play with metaphysics, ideas of infinity, time, space, chaos and order. But he is also a fantasist and speculative writer, who will appeal to those who are intrigued by the metaphysical aspects of Poe, Lovecraft, Philip K Dick, Gene Wolfe, Jack Vance, or any science fiction that likes to write about the bending of time, reality, and space. So I recommend SFFG look at his 'Labyrinths' volume of short stories pulled from several of his collections.

>>9390408
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> Anonymous 04/16/17(Sun)22:49:55 No.9390399 ▶>>9390420
>>>9390360
>>actually suggesting Brent "Tight Pussy" Weeks
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> Anonymous 04/16/17(Sun)22:51:30 No.9390405 ▶
>>>9389908
>Awake in the Night Land
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> Anonymous 04/16/17(Sun)22:52:27 No.9390408 ▶
>>>9390397 (You)
>Word to the wise. They are focusing too much on Elliot and his faggotism. I literally CRINGE when they shoehorn in this "i knew you were gay from far away and approached".
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> Anonymous 04/16/17(Sun)22:53:51 No.9390417 ▶
>>>9389908
>I found library at mount char to be that. Things I was assuming kept being proven wrong time and time again.
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> Anonymous 04/16/17(Sun)22:54:07 No.9390420 ▶
>>>9390399
>o-one book doesn't define him
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> Anonymous 04/16/17(Sun)23:11:17 No.9390479 ▶
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>>>9389908
>Jorge Luis Borges may be what you're looking for, an Argentine author of short stories from the early-mid 20th century who depicted worlds of oblique logic, unfathomable infinities, labyrinthine and illusory realities, double identities, cabalist logic, obscure allusion and intertextuality.
>For example, there is a story about a lottery in Babylonia, where tickets begin as monetary rewards, but this becomes mundane, so there is a change to arbitrary non-monetary rewards and then punishments. The lottery operators become a clandestine and omnipotent company, so that all good and bad acts, even ones of a highly personal and subtle nature, could potentially come from the lottery; and there is a question if it even exists. In another story, people inhabit a library composed of an infinite number of hexagonal rooms, containing books with every permutation of words in an alphaber; the books are overwhelmingly gibberish so that men are driven to suicide in their life-long search for books that make sense. Then there are stories of golems, dream projections, summaries of fictitious enyclopedia entries about fictitious worlds, or fictitious books.
>Borges likes to play with metaphysics, ideas of infinity, time, space, chaos and order. But he is also a fantasist and speculative writer, who will appeal to those who are intrigued by the metaphysical aspects of Poe, Lovecraft, Philip K Dick, Gene Wolfe, Jack Vance, or any science fiction that likes to write about the bending of time, reality, and space. So I recommend SFFG look at his 'Labyrinths' volume of short stories pulled from several of his collections.
Seriously? Him being gay in the books was like an afterthought. That's kinda weird

>>9390500
What the fuck that's not what I meant to do

>>9390314
it is pretty shitty, offers no additional info and even at a glance it's obvious how much relentless trash there is.

and you're obvious memeing with themes.

>>9390505
great post friend

>>9390420
>one book
>implying only blood mirror
You didn't read Night Angel did you? Val or w/e is her name. She had numb/dry pussy syndrome

Just read Fireborn by James Dwyer. Anyone else read it? It was a pretty fun read after the slow start.

>>9390522
>additional info
Sffg was built on memes. And if I have to hold your fucking hand during your book selection stage, explain what the book is about and it's nuances, when it would take you less than 2 seconds to Google and get responses to books that catch your eye, you can fuck off.

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Shilling this site because it's great: http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

>pick up fantasy book at store
>there's no map and no appendix
>put it back on shelf

The Americlaps are sleeping.
QUICK. post what you're reading before they wake up.

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>>9390971
don't bully americans

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>>9390971
I'm not sleeping bitch nigger

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>>9390881
>(Please note well that because this site is premised on quality, many science-fiction and fantasy authors and books important to the history of the field are absent from the lists because I felt their value to be only historical.)

well a bunch of SFF authors just got fuckin' owned

>>9387725
Those covers have been around since the mid-00s.

>>9390881
After seeing how many prominent others were snubbed I was shocked to see him include Tad Williams. Cause as much as I like Tad, he's not better than some of the authors he snubbed.

>>9391138
Who got snubbed? I think that he's generally quite thorough. Are you thinking of Stapledon? Because that's the only name that immediately comes to my mind.

>>9390881
I wonder how this guy would react to Rothfuss

>>9391196
Probably read about half a paragraph and then politely tell whoever recommended him to him to never speak to him again.

>>9389312
Once you know the story there's nothing wrong with that.

>>9390881
Wow, that guy is sucking Jack Vance's dick hard

>>9391220
Are you suggesting that there's a problem with that?

>>9390971
>>9390980
>tumblr trying to shitpost again

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>>9391094
I'm old, aren't I lads...

>>9390881
>China "my prose is so purple that even Roman Emperors wouldn't touch it" Mieville made the list while Jules Verne didn't

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>>9391397
spicy meme

>>9391475

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhC9KVo7S0c

>>9390881
>no Asimov

>>9390971
Don't tell them but I'm readin overlord

>>9387712
OP a lot of those lists are shit you know that right?

>>9391662

Do you seriously think I made them, as opposed to just copying them from the previous generals? I have no idea what's even in them at this point.

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>tfw Captain John Brannigan

>>9388075
A lot of that is shit

>>9388113
>>9388576
Lord Dunsay - King of Elflands Daughter
E.R. Eddison - The Worm Ouroboros
Evangeline Walton - The Mabinogion (she wrote the first book at this time but nobody knew what to make of it so she dropped out of sight until the 1970s when L. Sprague de Camp was put in charge of Balatines Adult Fantasy line and got it reprinted and it had enormous success and she finally got to finish the work nearly 40 years later)
Robert E. Howard - Conan the Barbarian
Fritz Leiber - Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, Conjure Wife (the first contemporary 'urban' fantasy), Our Lady of Darkness
C.L. Moore - Jirel of Joiry (the first female protagonist)
Jack Williamson - Darker Than You Think
Jack Vance - The Dying Earth, Lyonesse if you want a later work too
Poul Anderson - The Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions
Michael Moorcock - Elric
Ursula K. LeGuin - Earthsea
Roger Zelazy - Chronicles of Amber
Votan - John James
M. John Harrison - Viriconium
That brings us to the end of 60s/start of the 70s

Not included:
The Well of the Unicorn by Fletcher Pratt - its shit.
Lord Darcy by Randall Garrett - its shit.
Lud in the Mist by Hope Mirrlees - haven't found a copy can't comment.

>>9391666
>I have no idea what's even in them at this point.
Demonic trips of truth

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>>9387712
WTF there is The Motherland Calls statue on the OP pic.

anyone got those pics of the WoT series next to some massive manga or light novel series from a few threads back?

Some anon describes the premise of the japanese series and it sounded insane...

>>9389219
>China Mieville
But he's so bad.

Any sci-fi recommendation with a great keikaku plot and characters backstabbing/one upping each other. Maybe some of you are familiar with Christopher Priest's /co/ work, something in similar vein.

>>9391813
Revelation Space has a lot of "just as planned"/back stabbing/one upmanship

>>9391819
Thnx, will check it out.

>>9391813
The first three Legend of the Galactic Heroes have now been officially translated, and they got nothing but 'just as planned!' moments

The fourth one will come out soon

>>9391832
I already watched the anime, is it still worth reading?

I'm trying to find a teen fantasy novel series I read as a kid.

From what I can remember each story followed a different character separated by worlds. Up in some magical (?) mountains were a network of caves that contained portals to different worlds. Each of the worlds I think had magic and were somewhat unpleasant.

They would have been published in the early 2000s.

I remember one story featured a slave.

Not a lot to go on. The story was probably shit anyway.

>>9391813
coming from the Deathstroke threads? haha

>>9391836
I don't think they're particularly different, I wouldn't bother

(However, the publisher is having a bit of a gamble to have those books translated, they wouldn't have translated novels 4 and onwards if the first three wouldn't have sold enough, so buying these books supports that IMHO brave decision)

>>9391848
Yes, already loved Priest's work but the Deathstroke really is making me itch for more Keikaku narratives.

>>9391857
I'll see to it, I don't particularly have a problem reading the source material even if I have seen the adaptation.

>>9391846
>teen fantasy novel series

You're what's wrong with the world

>>9391863
It's called nostalgia you stupid fuck.

>>9388506
I'd Book Of her The New Sun if you catch my drift

>>9391668
Didn't like Rev Space.
I read it after Chasm City and while they both were cheesey shitfests, especially in the character department, Chasm at least had some enjoyable bits, plus although the "twist" was visable a mile off it was still well done.

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>>9388897

I would say so, but it lacks the wondergully weird mix of cutesy and dark that came with the Final Fantasy flavoring, like the desings of the characters or the whimsy of the music that complimented the quieter moments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0JmL2ByTJs

thats in part why I love stuff like Mouse Guard, its the closest thing I can think of in terms of tone, Redwall is up there, but since it was intended for a much younger audience it veers much more on the cheery side of things

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>>9391897
huh? Book of her The New... Sun?

>>9391885
Its called infantilism

Started reading The Eye of the World today. It is pretty good so far (chapter 6), seems more fun and less serious than GoT. More like LoTR so far.

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>a cute sf writer appears
What do you do?

>>9391942
read her book & jerk off?
I don't see a lot of options here

>>9391942
Is that even SF? I read it, wasn't particularly impressed. The post-apocalypse part is very standard

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When does it gets good?

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>>9391942
>>9391958
She's one of those literati people who think they can just waltz into sf and try to write it without knowing the first thing about it

>>9391980
Who is your favourite novelist of all time?
>I’m afraid I can’t possibly pick just one favourite novelist of all time, but here is a random selection of five: Irène Némirovsky, Roberto Bolano, Colm Tóibín, David Mitchell, and Tove Jansson.

What is your favourite comfort read?
>Anything by P.G. Wodehouse. There is no scenario in which reading about Jeeves won’t make me feel better.

What is the last book you read that made you laugh?
>Ann Patchett’s recent essay collection, This is the Story of a Happy Marriage.

What is the last book you read that made you cry?
>Julian Barnes’s Levels of Life.

If you could require the leader of your country to read one book, what would it be?
>Random Family, by Adrian Nicole LeBlanc. I think that book is essential to anyone seeking to better understand urban poverty in the United States.

What is your favourite sentence from any book ever?
>From Wuthering Heights:
>“I have dreamt in my life dreams that have stayed with me ever after, and changed my ideas: they’ve gone through and through me, like wine through water, and altered the colour of my mind.”

Honestly I blame >>9391976 for this, all the literary departments suddenly thinking they were new and revelatory and paradigm shifting for reading this back in the 80s

>>9391980
>She's one of those literati people who think they can just waltz into sf and try to write it without knowing the first thing about it
While that's certainly true, there's nothing to prevent someone like that from writing an interesting piece of sf or fantasy (Ishiguro, for instance). Emily St. John Mandel's problem is that, when you strip away all the genre trappings, she's a boring writer.

Need a good, comfy time travel book. Got any suggestions?

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>>9391984
>Emily St. John Mandel arrives early for her reading at Pete’s Candy Store, a bar in Williamsburg. She slips off her chic, white-and-yellow checked coat, and orders water. Nothing in her behavior betrays the way her life has turned upside down. “It’s chaos,” she says. “And overwhelming. And great.”
https://paulinebockjournalist.wordpress.com/2015/03/14/emily-st-john-mandel-no-more-anonymity/

>>9391976
It doesn't.

>>9392006
The End of Eternity by Asimov.

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Just started reading this today
>tfw we are racing towards creating the world it depicts

>tfw re-writing light novels with a western style

This is a surprisingly large amount of fun and it's definitely improving my writing.

Does anyone have any examples of western light novel authors, like fantasy ect that is obviously anime. I've heard the accusation thrown around a few times.

>>9391976

That's literally the only book I could listen to in audio format, the BBC version.

>>9392057

do you like anime?
are you a furry?
do you get hard every time smaug appears in The Hobbit movies?
do you like atheism in your fantasy books?

read the Eragon series

>>9392057
>I've heard the accusation thrown around a few times.

Mostly Sanderson and his Mistborn books get accused of being anime around here.

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>>9391836
>>9391862
Keep in mind the translation is kinda awkward and dry.
>>9391857
>tfw the first two Yukikaze books didn't sell enough for them to consider releasing the third one

>>9392100

wasnt there a fan translation already?

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>>9391082
>many science-fiction and fantasy authors and books important to the history of the field are absent from the lists because I felt their value to be only historical

Damn. Those dinosaur-anons got 3rd degree burns from this. I'm glad someone is addressing that a lot of these books don't age well and are complete shit for someone reading them for the first time post 2010.
You guys all but admit that you practically read these books when they were first published.

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>>9389908

My fav

>>9392100

I have a feeling the original is pretty dry, too.

Sad to hear about Yukikaze, I read the first one quite a while ago, didn't even know they were going the same way.

>>9392032
Are you trying to make me hate her? Because you are.

>>9392053
>tfw we are racing towards creating the world it depicts
Is it a good one or a bad one?

>>9392126
But anon, he's Dinosaur-Prime. He is sexually aroused by the prose of Jack Vance and Mervyn Peake.

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>>9392074
>are you a furry?
>do you get hard every time smaug appears in The Hobbit movies?
>do you like atheism in your fantasy books?

I don't like any of these things.

>>9392081
>>9392084
I'll give it a look.

>>9391226
Yes, The Gray Prince was pretty boring and standard (by now), really hasn't aged well. Which is a little bit ironic given that the creator of those lists doesn't include authors for exactly that reason

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>>9390881
>there are 4 Terrys and each has two stars or more
Well that site is trash. We all know that all Terrys are bad.
Also does that site logo mean he is a literal faggot?

>>9392173
>>9387747

>>9392116
There was a fan translation for the second book before it got an official one IIRC, but nothing for the third one. Which is a bummer because Good Luck, Yukikaze ends on a cliffhanger.

>>9391712
Go in the fucking archive and look for them you spoonfeeding mouth breather?

>>9392150

I was mostly joking but fight scenes after the first book get really jumpy

>>9392155
Did you actually read his full entry on Vance or just see that he gave him 5 stars as a whole? He admits that not all of his work was top-shelf genius.

>>9392173
Not gay if he's got a feminine dick.

>>9391942
""""""sf""""""

I know there's plenty of fantasy books that take place in a post-apocalypse universe that was similar to our world, but are there any fantasy books that take place in a post-apocalypse universe that was ALREADY in a fantasy world?

>>9391897
So you would rape her multiple times then rape your granddaughter?

>>9392205
Eh, I also read Dying Earth, suffers from the same thing as above, outdated and overtaken by contemporary authors starting with Vance's theme and improving on all fronts

>>9392227
lol no.

>>9392235
>greatsfandf.com author is triggered

>>9392222
Wheel of Time.

>>9392239
Please name these authors and books that are superior to Vance and Dying Earth.

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>>9392057
>I've heard the accusation thrown around, but never paid attention to it
Enjoy your anime

>>9392181
So what If I'm a phone poster. What is with autists in this thread and phoneposting?

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>>9392257
>shills his own site in the hopes of indoctrinating we weak willed sffg users
>gets called out
>mad that he was found out
>can't bear the truth
>grabbing at straws

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Everytime I try to think of a character it begins with somebody who's pretty much the opposite of me.

But then as my imagination keeps running he/she slowly morphs into a copy cat self-insert.

I can't even escape myself with my main escapism tool.

>>9392251
Sorry. I meant GOOD novels of that type.

>>9392286
>can't list a single author or book
It's okay, anon. I forgive you.

>>9392239
I wish greatsfandf.com author really posted here.

>>9392286
Why are you always like this, anon?

>>9392126
Any book I give a rating on has been read contemporaneously with the thread. I freely admit to enjoying garbage-tier works, but fresh garbage is never good, it needs time to ferment.

>>9392300
>this entire thread is me and the other person who originally replied to me
>no one else

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>>9392376
Because I'm a sad wretched excuse for a human being, who tries to fill his empty soul with escapism, and lashing out at others.

>>9392410
>still can't list a single author and book

>>9392423
>can't comprehend
Not surprised at all. I'm not the original person who replied to you Jack Vance-anon. I don't have to defend a statement that wasn't my own in the first place.
Also. Anything I list will be preemptively disregarded, as it's obvious you have a huge hard on for Vance and you want him to penetrate you to your core.

How's To Kill a God?

>>9392443
See: >>9392423

>>9392200
wew

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>>9392421

>almost finished with Stranger in a Strange Land
>the whole second half of the book could basically be condensed into
>and then everyone fucked
???

Stop replying to dumb frogposters.

They are attention seeking faggots.

>>9392137
>Is it a good one or a bad one?
Not him, but bad. Extremely bad, in fact.

>>9392200
Its older than three days plus im not sure how id find it.
I want the original poster to return to talk some more about them. why are you so upset?

>>9392502
>implying they aren't all the same anon with a known proclivity for amphibians

>>9392492
Should have put 4chan instead of /SFFG/ and submitted it as a banner.

>>9392534
This!

>>9392423
>thinks his reverse psychology of making me list Jack Vance like books will work, because his calls for recommendations has been ignored multiple times
You need to up your game. Saw this a mile away.

>>9392566
>still no authors or novels
Give it up, anon.

>>9392445
I see your ban is up Stevian.... you pull that shit again we will all report your ass again.

>>9392502
>Stop replying to dumb frogposters.
>implying pepe was here years before your fucking reddit ass migrated
Fuck off.

>>9392515
>I want the original poster to return to talk some more about them
Then say so instead of baiting. I knew that is what you wanted. "Discussion". But you couldn't come out and say it like a normal human being? Instead of beating around the bush asking for pics.

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Anyone here a fan of Ted Chiang? His short stories all range from good to amazing when it comes to themes and ideas; too bad he's rather weak at character voices.

>>9392577
>your fucking reddit ass migrated
I've been here since 2008. Frogposting has been cancer since 2010 and all the retarded edits were made.

Now frogposters frogpost for attention, they are all the same

>>9392126
Some books are so deliberately baroque or individual that they were out of place even in their own time. They never partook in their contemporary trend or fashion;and so Lovecraft, Vance, Lafferty, Wolfe read much the same as they did now, as then. In this way, they don't date as much as mediocre books that were written to fit the current vogue, e.g. New Wave science fiction books, 70's fantasy, 80's cyberpunk copycats. It is these unimpressive works, written to sell within the shape of their contemporary market, that will be lost to history. By this logic, one can surmise that much of todays fiction that written to an 'inclusive' and politically written spec will be unread after a few years.

>>9391635

If the overlord light novels were written in a western style without the anime shit, they would be so much better. Also, the side arcs are dogshit. I'm still hyped for the next volume this august though. How are you liking it?

>>9392650
>and so Lovecraft, Vance, Lafferty, Wolfe read much the same as they did now, as then.
>not including Howard
Come on, son. No one has ever been able to capture the fire and passion he poured into his writing. Everything else is correct. The "grimdark" fad is already dying and the PC shit is definitely on its way out.

>>9392126
*grabs you by the throat*
whats your problem with Canticle for Liebowitz, kid? you don't like science?
*fades into shadows*

>>9392660
Robert Howard is an interesting case, so I didn't list him alongside the rest. To me, he feels surprisingly dynamic and current. Lovecraft and co were always apart from their contemporary trends because of their more baroque and slower storytelling. Howard, to me, has always felt like a dynamic and relevant author - an American GI could read Howard in the forties, just like a plumber could read him today.

>>9392421
I know that feel, Anon. Eventually it will not satisfy. It's better if you deal with your depression. It could save you years of misery.

Please respond

>>9389295
>>9389295
>>9389295


I've read two so far and have yet to encounter anything that gave me even a half-chub

>>9392586
I also genuinely cant find the images. Why are you getting so upset? Do you know the post im talking about or do you just like getting angry?

>>9392791
My understanding is that he doesn't go off the rails until book 6 or 7. I don't have any before 7 and won't attempt to read them before I do.

>>9391934
Same, im not as far as you but enjoying it very much. Jordan writes in a way that is pleasant to read, regardless of what is going on in the narrative.

>>9392861
This will help

http://library.tarvalon.net/index.php?title=Pronunciation_Guide

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is it any good, /lit/?

>>9392873
wow, this is great, thank you!
im the type of person that will deliberate over a word for some time trying to work out the proper pronunciation.

>>9391934
>>9392861
God damn it Anons, stop making The Wheel of Time sound so good. I don't wanna jump into a twelve thousand words long series right now.

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>>9392956
Do it anon.

>>9392878

Yes.

The sequels? Not so much.

Any recommendations for someone who liked the Ea Cycle by David Zindell

>>9391934
The first book feels a lot like LotR, but the rest not so much.

>>9392815
Ah, that's kind of disappointing.

>>9391702
This is a good list, even if I think that Elric and Viriconium are both crap.

>>9391813
Count to a Trillion
Revelation Space as >>9391813 said
Dinosaur Beach by Keith Laumer although the keikaku is a bit incoherent

>>9392227
Dying Earth was Vance's first published work. It's not representative of his developed style.

The Gray Prince is known to be mediocre. Vance was writing for nearly 50 years, just admit you haven't read his best works or even a representative sample.

>Guys I read Farmer Giles of Ham and half of his Beowulf translation, why does everyone think Tolkien is this great epic fantasist.

>>9391702
Okay, so you've done the hard part. Now you just need to craft the meme image.

>>9390881
Gack, stop it with the fields already!
Why oh why did I ever read that ruddy book?
gurglegurgle

Anyone else think it is ironic that Brandon Sanderson looks like Ian Brandon Anderson?

>>9392878
Eh, depends what you're into. I didn't enjoy it all that much. However, I did finish it.

>>9394258
Is it similar to Rendevous With Rama or does it have an actual story?

>>9392799
>Do My work for me
Here faggot. I did your homework now fug off with your anime game word count.
>>9354618
>>9354644
>>9354817

>>9388748
>How does Blindsight compare with Journey to Arcturus?
Never read the later but Blindsight is pretty good although Watts seems pretty damn edgy as a person.

>>9394272
Haven't read that one, but can confirm Ringworld has a story.

TUC WHEN?
WHERE IS THE ANON???

>>9393153
>>9393250
I will call you not so much anon.

>>9394238
>Ian Brandon Anderson
>chris chan
He doesn't look like him....

>>9394974
But I only said one of those comments. The second one is me, the first one not so much.

>>9392126
>You guys all but admit that you practically read these books when they were first published.
Do you seriously think there are a bunch of fifty and sixty year-olds hanging out on /lit/? Hint: there aren't. And that site is the most pro-"dinosaur" thing you can cite, his list of absolute top authors includes Tolkien and Vance and Peake, but also even older writers like Dunsany, Eddison, and Baum that get don't really get discussed here.

You've always been such a weird poster, I largely don't mind you except when you make particularly stupid posts.

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I read PKD's Ubik. I thought it was alright, a middling read about his pet themes (but mostly of decay, in an uncertain realm) and I was glad to read one of his more well regarded books so that I could have an opinion on it.

I thought it wasn't as charming as DADOES, Dr Bloodmoney, and Martian Time Slip. I think this is because I had figured out the plot early on, and also due to there being too many unremarkable minor characters in ridiculous clothes who serve little purpose, and go beyond merely adding local colour and quirkiness, to feeling like aberrant and unnecessary distractions. He handled many characters a lot better in his earlier Dr Bloodmoney, where the townsfolk are more fleshed out, with a sense of their lives outside of the plot - but in this book there are at least eight cardboard characters in peculiar clothes who are difficult to distinguish and who just take up space before dying.

However, this book is at least as good a treatment of blurred realities as The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch, more lucid, and the overall thing is redeemed by its many typical PKD moments, and its fast readability. Overall I would say this deserves three Dicks out of five.

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Back in time to the early crisis era? Ehh I'm not really about that life

>>9394964

Right here senpai

excerpt never...

Why is most popular fantasy complete ass? I don't just mean leddit, the ones I hear about most here on /sffg/ are garbage too.

is unfamiliar subject matter and good, non-obscure prose too much to ask for?

>>9395042
>You've always been such a weird poster, I largely don't mind you except when you make particularly stupid posts.
Y.. you want my post quality to improve because you care for me?

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>>9395098
That's a 4 out of 5 book and you know it.

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Just finished the latest Hard Luck Hank audiobook yesterday. Not my favorite but pretty good, I love how the world keeps evolving in that series. Also the narrator is amazing.
Anyhow I've been trying to find other good comedy sci-fi but can't seem to find much of any value. Recs?

I just downloaded a lot of the star wars legends. Are any actually good?

Any good fantasy with a girl protagonist?

/sffg/ I am officially weirded the fuck out. I was looking for an obscure story in the arabian nights that I've wanted to read for almost a year now and found a modern adaptation coming out in november.

I read the description and amazon described it as a mix of literally my two favorite books (neither of which are especially popular). I'm convinced that there must be some kind of targeted marketing system that's filling in blanks with my most searched books, but when I inspected the html there was no obvious sign it was templated, and even when I sign out the description remains. It's weirding me the fuck out

>>9395397
>star wars
>good
Choose one, and one only.

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>>9395409

>>9395427
I know I'm being paranoid. it's just a really freaky coincidence that I'm finding such a perfect fit when there are only so many books I like

>>9395308
The flaws frustrate me. If we accept that Androids is his best book and a five, which I do, then Ubik is at least a level below it. Yes, it ticks a lot of boxes of what we expect from him; illusory realities, double identities, decay and regeneration, wry observations of future capitalism, religious subtexts. My main problem is it's meandering pace in parts, with a few too many thin characters, and an antagonist(s) who is too passive. This could have been an equal of Androids, which is a profound book that transcends the medium, but instead Ubik's just good entertainment.

>>9395409
Sounds like Carl Jung's synchronicity, a meaningful coincidence, just go with it.

>>9395427
>implying amazon doesn't have crazy next level algorithms to sell you shit you didn't even know you wanted

>>9395454
I'm a web developer, which is why I thought of it, but the description is the same logged out and there aren't any sensible anchors in the html to go off of. It's just plain bizarre

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Sabriel

>>9395185
It seems to me that you don't actually like fantasy. Either that or you are trying to fit in.

You should tryreading a different genre of just stop trying to fit it

>>9395385
Comedy is hard to recommend because humor is so subjective.

I'd suggest Keith Laumer's Retief series. Two fisted diplomacy.
http://baencd.freedoors.org/Books/Retief/Retief.htm

Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat gets recommended a lot but I personally don't like his style.

Terry Pratchett's first two books, Dark Side of the Sun and Strata, were scifi.

Some of Scalzi's short stories tend to the more humorous side IIRC, Redshirts is a big satire on Star Trek.

A more recent book is Mechanical Failure by Joe Zieja, which I thought really has some great Spaceballs-esque moments.

>>9395870
thanks, i think i'll give zieja a try.
i did like the first stainless steel rat but didn't really feel like continuing with them.

>>9392227
>contemporary authors starting with Vance's theme and improving on all fronts
If these people existed I would be so happy.

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Why is his short fiction so often disturbing?

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One of the few Isekai WNs actually worth reading got licensed.

>>9394369
Hey thanks man, appreciate it! :)

>>9395397
Your millage will probably vary. Franchise books tends to have lousy quality control.

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