Why is Hamlet such a huge figure in literature? Bloom seems obsessed

>>9368736
His mom's a cunt and he's edgy and autistic like me

He's self-aware.

He was the realest nigga

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>>9368736
Hamlet is overrated desu.

I had to read it and The Merchant of Venice years ago back in HS, and I enjoyed Shylocks own self destruction more than Hamlet pretending to be mad and then Ophelia offing herself because of him.

The Ghost and Graveyard scenes are pure /lit/ though in fairness.

>>9368849
>pretending to be mad
>pretending
Pleb.

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>>9368849
>I read it once as a dumb teenager and therefore he is bad

>>9368865
Ah, unfortunately it would seem you are the pleb..

>>9368773
This
>>9368736
Pretty much every character since owes a debt to him.

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>>9369046
Don't people jerk off about Don Quixote being the first self-aware / modern character? Why not with Hamlet?

>>9369072
Quixote isn't self aware though. The importance of DQ is unquestionable though especially because of its author's awareness versus the character's. Hamlet is analytical and disbelieving and has an ego which he examines himself

>>9369112
Haven't read the Don yet, but I thought he had moments of self awareness, and it was supposed to be kinda clear he knows he's pretending. That's just what I've heard though, I don't know for myself.

>>9369141
wut

>>9368736
Psychoanalysts wanted to prove they could contribute to lit crit, but they're basically wrong about how to conceptualize theater. Elinor Fuchs writes about this in Death of Character.

>>9369141
no he's clearly a nutcase, the novel as a whole is self aware though of various themes in literature up until then.

>>9368773
Of what?

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>>9370305
No, he's self aware, and because of that he's a nutcase. He's hardcore, crazy LARPing.
I can't remember the exact chapter but is the scene in which he yells "I can't take it anymore" or something like that to a couple of guys who are trapped near the enchanted boat, part II. Montesinos cave gives insight into his self awareness too.

>>9368736
god you guys can be idiots

>>9368773
you're touching on the right argument but it's more than that, Hamlet is aware of himself in a fiction and goes past that; his despair seems to come from the paralysis that this knowledge gives him. The play still moves forward and all of Hamlet's complaining is directly an affront or response to structures within the play (the dramatic ironies, the deux de machina, the play within a play, mise en abîme, as well as disillusionment/loss of empathy with the other characters because they are "characters"). If you want to know why Bloom has such a hard on for Hamlet it's somewhat related to the fact that Bloom is a huge Frued dude and Hamlet is ripe for forming the quasi-statistical approaches to oedipal complexes that made Bloom a household name in the first place

>>9368849
stop using terms like overrated, the way that the text has itself been bastardized the way it has the past 40 years (text in the most broad sense, not just hamlet) does not mean that you should impose those views onto the text itself, but yeah, the graveyard scene is gorgeous

>>9369072
>>9369112
>>9369141
the measure of how well done Hamlet and Don Quixote are done as characters shouldn't be reduced to this badgering of "he was MORE self aware" (whatever the FUCK that means when you're comparing a fairly minimalistic play to the clusterfuck of narratives that is Cervantez). think about how these characters instead engage with the text, bearing their awareness in mind as they do so. Both these characters are excellent because their motivations are clearly defined yet their actions, seeming to betray these same motivations, are commentaries on the consequences of these same motivations and show the sort of "paradise fallen" aspect of bringing idealic forms/ideas/utopian schticks into the real world and seeing them fail.

>>9369072

>Don Quixote the first self-aware character
>literally is delusional for the entire novel

Do you even read?

>>9370758
Yesterday I saw some /lit/ posters frowning upon the posts that linked Tolkien and LOTR to christianity. And the day before there was a The Metamorphosis thread just dumb in which the posters were arguing over the insect transformation not only missing the point but butchering completely the work.

And now there is this post that reminds me of why I still like to browse /lit/, sometimes you find jewels among all the glass.

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>>9370758

>>9370781
>sometimes you find jewels among all the glass
And other times you find jews among all the gas. Who knows what each day will bring? Just be you're self one step at a time.

>>9370758
I pooped my pants two days ago.

>>9370793
log off

>>9370820
Do you think we're on Reddit or something?

>>9370823
> log off
the computer, not the forum

>>9370848
Who are you quoting?

>>9370226
sounds interesting, could you give some more detail?

>>9370853
Literally three posts above yours.

>>9370857
What did he mean by this?

>>9370857
sounds interesting, could you give some more detail?

>>9370690
Don't forget when the Duke and duchess take him in and pamper him and he, for the first time, really starts believing he's actually a knight

>>9370674
SELF-aware

>>9370893
Self-aware of what?

>>9368876
Fuck off Shakespeare

>>9370802
>>9370793
>>9370823
>>9370848
>>9370853
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>>9370808
kys

>>9368736
Depth and intrigue, it's that simple. Multidimensional characters that are intelligent yet still have glaring faults are necessary for a great tragedy.

>>9370758
All of you, what's the best spanish version of Don Quijote?

>>9370793
I share the same philosophy w/ really long posts, but really nigga? u find that long?