>yfw some retarded right wing lolbertarian thinks 1984 is

>>9367003
I literally grow a tumor when someone unironically believes that

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>yfw the author is so fucking old and drug addled that he re-writes the book 30 years later as a utopian novel instead

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>yfw both of those books are just cheap ripoffs of the following

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>Retards think it's about censorship

>>9367176
Full confession: I thought the same exact thing until I read the book. I was surprised at how much it WASN'T about censorship; also Bradbury's predictions about media were scarily spot on.

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>>9367185
Have you listened to "This is water" by David Foster Wallace?
In it he tells a story about a religious man and a atheist man arguing about the existence of god. And what it comes down to it's what these people already believe and what experience they have had, and from that they take different things from the same story. So in the end, what you take from a story depends on what you believe and what you have experienced. And I do thoroughly believe that and it's one of the reasons I think what the author meant is rather meaningless compared to what the reader takes from the story.


This is the clip for "This is water", I personally find it great ( if you ignore the idiots laughing at the times, they drive me crazy ) and I think you should watch it when you're alone and have some time over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMI

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>>9367003
>implying it isn't this

>mfw right wingers use Orwell's criticism of virtue signalling leftists as their own
He would only have bullets for them, not strongly worded essays

>>9367003
I used to live with someone like this. He was a huge fan of the Joe Rogan podcast and libertarian "comedians", I think the only thing stopping him claiming Atlas Shrugged was his favourite book over 1984 was his inability to read a book that long.

>>9367209
If you're not baiting you need to kill yourself, it's OBVIOUSLY not about censorship.

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>>9367213
Both of those books were criticisms of totalitarianism; it transcends the traditional "left vs right" spectrum because both left and right are capable of totalitarianism.

>>9367003
>right wing
>Libertarian
Please use a trip so you may be blocked by people with an education

>>9367259
American Libertarians are right wing

>>9367151
WUZ

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>>9367275
That's like saying,
>"In America orange is blue"
Libertarianism is part of the Liberal spectrum; the entire Liberal spectrum is Left Wing.

>>9367323
KANGZ

>>9367324
>american education

>>9367259
>>9367324
>He doesn't know how dumb the right-libertarian
My sweet sweet anon...

>>9367324
You must not be American? Rand Paul ran for the Republican ticket.

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>>9367334
I am not American
>>9367342
Libertarians are wrong, but that is because Liberalism is incoherent/irrational

>>9367346
>Republicans
>Not Liberals
pick one
No, I am not American.
Here is a protip, Burgerlord - the American Republican Party is part of an international coalition of political parties that includes the Australian Liberal Party.
I'll give you three guesses why....

>>9367070
>And writes it better to better reflect our current world.

Seriously 1984 is an outdated view of A totalitarian state.

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>>9367003
Since a lot of you have obviously never actually studied politics academically, let me clue you in on a simple fact.
All modern Western politics is a fight between the two main branches of Liberalism - Classical Liberals (who focus on individual liberty) and Progressive Liberals (who focus on individual equality). The entirety of mainstream politics (and most fringe politics) in the developed world/OECD is to the Left of Centre. The last major Right Wing group was Franco's Falange because it was Monarchist, Catholic, Distributist, and anti-Democracy.
You're welcome

>>9367398
And they were both right somehow. Amazing what contradictions humans are capable of.

>>9367213
>>implying it isn't this
Orwell was a socialist you spastic.

I thought it was a critique of authoritarian big gubmint in general, no matter the ideology behind it.

>>9367781
The man's opinions changed alot throughout his life. He was an anarchist but then thought that government should be a tool of protecting the people. He's like most real humans not easy to pigeon hole.

>>9367209
Try "Death of the Author" instead of memeguy.

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>>9367003
socialist governments are inherently authoritarian governments

try again comrade

>>9367913
An invisible authority is not better than a visible one. In a wide range of senses, it is worst.

Try again, kiddo.

>>9367913
Individual property rights are inherently authoritarian, try again feudalist

>>9367919
The Vicar of Christ is not amused by your ignorance
http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html

>>9367953
>a feudalistic organization defending feudalism
Color me surprised

>>9367913
>>9367918
>Trusting the invisible hand- uh, the market- to fix everything
>Trusting the government- uh, the people- to fix everything
>Not holding private property while enforcing antitrust laws

>>9367966
Not only that, this Pope attempts to undermine other feudalistic organizations:
>There is no need to bring in the State. Man precedes the State, and possesses, prior to the formation of any State, the right of providing for the substance of his body.
War between statists and church-going papists when? I'll head up to Nunavut and watch them kill each other from a drone

>>9367966
Feudalism was stable for 3,000+ years and medieval European peasants were objectively better off than most people are *now*.
Take your irrational Liberalism somewhere the people can't reason

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>>9367987
>>9367919
>>9367918
tick tock commies tick tock

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>>9367989
For God and the King!

>>9367989
>>9367966
the Papacy isn't Feudal at all,. its long term goals were always against those of the secular feudal/national systems in place

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>>9368002
>stable
>better off
>"objectively"

Most historical research suggests that between 10 and 15 percent of the European population died as a result of homicide during the high middle ages.

Maybe you should read a book before you aim your written diarrhea at /lit/.

>>9368020
ah yes
how many people die in Chicago every day?

>>9368008
>property rights
>without the state to protect them
You're going to sleep sometime friendo

>>9368018
It's feudal in a figurative sense (the word isn't well defined anyway). According to il Papa, all "earthly property" is held as usufruct from God, so he's essentially the heavenly feudal lord.

>>9368027
>doesn't understand the concept of a percentage
Literally kys private property shilling babby

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>>9368028
>needing a state to enforce property rights when you've physically separated and expelled all aggressors from the libertarian social order

>>9368045
What happens when the "separated and expelled" sinners come back across your "non-existent" borders and begin poisoning your "perfect society" anew?

>>9368045
The ancoms will come and take your property friend, they won't ask nicely either unlike the state, and btw your "libertarian social order" essentially functions as a state

>>9368028
>literally what is private police
>literally what is any sort of security

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>>9368060
Trespassing on private property is aggression and private property owners have every right to defend against aggressors with full force

>>9368062
It's not a State, it's a voluntary association. An-cap private property owners will do everything in their power to defend their private property. An-coms are little bitches with weak centrally planned economies that can't compete with our free market armaments industry.

>>9368066
Ancaps are literal feudalists holy shit

>>9368072
Do you have ever consider how many people are out there?

I think you probably live in a small rural area or in the mountains with your father or something like that.

You should try to live in a fucking crowed city.

Anyway, small comunities could work that way. But again, fucking tons of people out there my nigga.

>>9368073
>muh ancaps are feudalist meme
>muh taking a philosophy developed against feudalism to it's logical conclusion is feudalist

>>9368072
You guys sound like edgier distributivists with less cooperation, tee bee h.

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>>9368093
And our libertarian social order will be large too--full of non-aggressors who respect private property rights. And these people will form together in a voluntary militia to defend the libertarian social order whenever necessary.

I go to university in the largest city in my state btw but cute attempt at psychoanalysis.

You do realise that any and all types of anarchist societies are impossible to maintain as long as coherent state exists in the vicinity? The moment anarchy sets in "muh vile statists" will be there with their well-organized enforcement structures (military, law enforcement, para-military) and that'll be the end of your voluntary social order. True, a militia may put up some resistance, but history has shown us that anarchist fighting forces don't last very long. I mean, anarchism is nice and all, but I don't see it working out unless all current state structure just magically disappeared.

>>9367398

Tired of seeing this shitty ass image. In 1984 the proles were totally controlled by pleasure. The book says how porn, music and the lottery are created to distract the proles

>>9368020
Research also shows that the typical medieval British peasants had
-More and more varied calories in their diet except for the very upper class in the 1970's
-More leisure time
-more personal freedom
-More personal privacy
-Were almost totally exempt from military service and if not exempt only served in local defenses
-almost 95% of them owned their home under leasehold such that they could not lose it
-Paid a fraction of the modern burden of taxes
So - yeah, they were better off.
>Hurr, durr violence!
Tell that to the conscripts of 20th Century Europe who were marched off to die for "Democracy".
>Try reading The Overworked American, The History of the King's Works, Six Centuries of Work and Wages, Life of the Medieval Peasant, and Life on the English Manor,

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>>9368155
>but history has shown us that anarchist fighting forces don't last very long
>my fugging face when

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>>9368187
You seem to be blurring the line between rebel militias and anarchist militias. In fact, it is the former that often annihilated the latter, as seen in the case of CNT and the Black Army (both of which fought, and were defeated by communist militias they were supposedly allied with).

Also
>founding fathers
>anarchist
>mfw

>>9367844
They're critiques of totalitarian Communism, of Stalinism, not of socialism or of Marxism

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>>9368249
the founders political philosophy, built upon the ideas of english levelers, was congruent with an-caps when it came to defense of the nation through voluntary militias while being staunchly against any standing armies

an-caps are the modern incarnation of the sentiments of the english revolution

>>9368252
Ppl in this thread see it in a ver one-dimensional right-vs-left way, while in reality it was, as you've pointed out, a critique of authoritarian regimes. Orwell was a socialist, but had a more libertarian/anarchist bend.

>>9368261
Yet for supposed ancaps they still levied such a high tax on whiskey that they immediately had a revolt on their hands. Cuz taxation is theft or something. I still think AnCaps are more reasonable of the anarchist spectrum and i can see some of their ideas working out, but not in the current political climate, what with all the rampant world policing and interventionism. Also, since when did this turn into /pol/?

>>9368279
>english levellers
>responsible for the whiskey tax

??????

>>9367176
self-censorship leads to the dystopic situation in the novel, so you could say it's a critique of it

>all these posters who think 1984 is unrealistic ignoring that 1984 already came true in North Korea

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>>9367003
>1984 regains popularity after the presidential election
>because liberal cucks think 1984 is the prophecy to trump's presidency.
>yfw they completely ignore the text and name-drop it whenever they needs to explain why trump is literally hitler.

>>9367070
BNW is a far more accurate picture of the dystopia that we are heading into.

>>9367209
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