How did Jordan Peterson so quickly rise to become the foremost

>>9328315
This is a literature board, you dumb fag.
>>>/his/

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nevar forget

>>9328315
>peterson
>intellectual
he's just cashing in on the 'fuck SJWs' gravy train

>be relatively aware of current internet culture
>be psychologist
>pander

simple t b h

>>9328361

Nah he has produced classic works of psychology like Maps of Meaning, the anti-SJW thing is just to get more attention to his real work.

>>9328379
>psychology
ah, so he's a pseudoscientist aswell?

>>9328388

We get it.

You have envy and ressentiment.

>>9328394
Logo pls

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>>9328379
>Maps of Meaning,
Sam Harris tier desu.

>>9328405
>literally has a 'notable people I don't like' collage

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He's not a retarded commie faggot

>>9328420

kek

>>9328315
Who?
Oh, that dude /pol/ keeps talking about and who I've never heard of elsewhere.

>>9328405
>John Green
Delet this

>>9328405
This is the most triggered I have ever been

>>9328315
Self improvement

or rather

he's subtly christianising his viewers

His sincerity is captivating.

He's gotten a lot of press lately in national U.S news(which is viewed worldwide) for standing up against recent Canadian legislation that puts penalties on speech towards certain individual classes.
He also does a youtube channel and has lectures on various topics, and has a conservative belief system that doesn't support the social justice movement but also doesn't make people feel like they are assholes.
It's not about him, it's about what other people what and other people reacting to what other people want their governments to do, and a very popular topic these days is the government being more involved in the public/being less involved, with most of the people supporting the free stuff movement and not so happy about the censorship movement.

>>9328315
It's mainly because of him going against the SJWs, but also because he's giving people (mostly young men) some psychological guidance. He seems honest and people like that.

And he's somewhat conservative, which is an exception for humanity professors. So he stands out.


Žižek has been utterly BTFO and who knows if he can recover. He's getting old and he doesn't even use Youtube, Twitter and Reddit.

>>9328762
>Žižek has been utterly BTFO

what happened

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People don't want god to be dead, because they need meaning and some Truth that guids them.
Science and modernity provides a truth, but no meaning.

Zizek just points out how one can't, not even in principle, get rid of having some ideology.
And then Zizek analyses stuff he find interesting in a way that's fun to him.
He has no attainable goals.

Peterson has a goal (prevent anything looking like Gulag and also help people "sort themselves out") and sells it by emphasising the aspects that happen to be completely in line with one side of the culture war that's going on.

Both also teach stuff that really makes your nuggets roast. peterson sells Jungian idea and is an apologetic for Christian ideals, and Zizek twist perspective and advocates some constantly self-hindering (from escalating) fascist government

>>9328315
he's the patriarchal figure most young men have never had in their lives after being coddled by their single mothers.

>>9328782
He's no longer the top choice for memes.

>>9328405
That has to be one of the most incoherently lumped together groups of people I've ever seen.

>>9328405
:^)

>>9328315
>How did Jordan Peterson so quickly rise to become the foremost public intellectual (and intellectual meme) of our time?
This guy is virtually unknown outside of the USA. I never heard of him.

>>9328912
He is unknown outside out internet political memetic discourse

>>9328405
>bill buckley on top of milo
>milo next to laurence krauss and moly jew
kek

>>9328653

It really is. A lot of people seem to imply that he's just trying to get fame by riding on anti-SJW rhetoric but I honestly don't think there's a single cynical or manipulative bone in his body.

Maybe I'm wrong, but his emphasis on father imagery and his obsession with the Pinocchio story to me reveals him as a man who's just trying to be the best father he can be to his kids, and his principles happen to be universally applicable to many young men, not just his own kids. the lack of guiding figures that most young men have today, especially in the presence of postmodern theory and the anti-masculine zeitgeist we seem to be going through, makes his ideals particularly palatable.

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>>9328785
>People don't want god to be dead
To fucking bad because he is
>they need meaning and some Truth that guids them.
If you can't create your own meaning you don't deserve it

>>9328876
That's what you think, pseud.

Zizek is a intellectual to you, honestly?

Name one original idea that man had. He is a scam, everybody here in Slovenia knows he only cares about one thing, drugs.

He makes one AMA on reddit and the reddit-tier plebs spread his name all over the place. No-one cares about him, there is no 'success'.
Disgusting, go away, there is no place for you here

>>9329057
>knowing god is dead and still thinking that anyone "deserves" anything

>>9328405
This is bait.
it needs to be bait.
Because I refuse to believe someone is honestly that dumb.
>Sargon in the same collage of pseudointellectuals as Ethan Klein and Boogie and PapaFrank
Comedian, Commentator, Rap Artist. Like, they're not intellectuals. They don't claim to be.
They're comedians, what the fuck

>>9328315

His ideas are true and resonate with people, he's also genuine and likable.

>>9329104
>being so weak that without a God you can't use the verb "to deserve" anymore, even if you actually understand what "to deserve" means

This is what Nietzsche wrote about people like you (he calls them "last men"):

>'What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?' thus asks the last man, and winks. The earth has become small, and on it hops the last man, who makes everything small. His race is as ineradicable as the flea; the last man lives longest. 'We have invented happiness,' say the last men, and they wink. They have left the regions where it was hard to live, for one needs warmth. One still loves one's neighbor and rubs against him, for one needs warmth...

>>9329170
>Like, they're not intellectuals. They don't claim to be.
Then they will be fine with people saying to other people not to take them seriously.

>>9329192
I understand that people use the word deserve to reframe what they want to happen to others as being demanded by some sort of cosmic order, thereby relieving themselves of the responsibility of their own desires. Pretty ubermensch if I do say so myself :^)

>>9328405
>doesn't like alex jones
you joyless creature

>>9328405
whats wrong with Trump?

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Because he has passion and the willingness to say the unsaid, to those who need to hear it the most.

I've watched a few of his videos and you can see in his eyes a man who has had a small glimpse into the future. He has a highly tuned intuition, or awareness, and this you can see and hear in his movements, his lectures, and his work.

Make no mistake, the eyes can tell you a great deal about a man.
He is just one necessary character. He is required now and many more will rise just the same.

Volatility is coming, my friends.

>>9329236
Don't you have a fucking job, Peterson?

>>9329236

What did you mean by this?

Who are some non-meme intellectuals in the modern day, then?
Genuinely asking, not trying to shitpost.

>>9328325
doesn't follow the 50-year rule, hence it actually belongs here, faggot

>>9328402
stop with the Twitter shit

>>9329057
are you retarded

>>9328405
>tfw i know all of these - 2

ashamed of myself

also get the impression this list hasn't been updated since like 2015, maybe early 2016

>>9328912
He was nominated to become rector at Glasgow University, that seems somewhat known outside of US.

>"Never trust someone who tries to change the world by changing you!"

>"Let me tell you how to change yourself so that you can properly change the world!"


The dude is fucking pathetic "I am exempt from my own bullshit" tier, trying to cash in on lost white youth who feel like they have no purpose since the system is no longer pandering to them.

>wahh you're just a cucked libtard/nigger!

What does it fucking matter to you who or what I am? What the hell are YOU doing with YOUR life? Sitting at home, laying on your back while the laptop overheats and burns your semen-encrusted stomach? If you think I'm wrong, tell me in your own words and with your own reasoning why. Don't sit around and wait for someone else to make good arguments on your behalf. That's what *actual* entitlement looks like.

>>9329599
I'm pretty sure he's referring to compulsory change in the former case, whereas he uses persuasive argument to change people.

>>9329575
>nominated to become rector at Glasgow University
Yes, because all the previous rectors are so well known all over Europe

>>9329632
List of non-British rectors of Glasgow University:
Edmund Burke (Ireland)
Raymond Poincare (France)
Albert Lutuli (South Africa)
Winnie Mandela (South Africa)
Mordechai Vanunu (Israel)
Edward Snowden (United States)

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>>9329170

>ironic shit posting is still shit posting.

>>9328405
This is one of the most cringeworthy things I've seen on this site, almost as bad as the guys in goofy suits or tile fetish guy tbqh

Anti-SJW sentiment is already pretty popular and profitable online. Sargon of Akkad for instance makes $4,400 a month off Patreon, plus YouTube ads I assume. That's good money for recording yourself read articles people send you and laughing.

What elevates Peterson is:
1) He's clearly not a bandwagon-riding fag jumping on a Youtube trend. He's principled and has been teaching his material silently for years. He is also politically not in-line with what people tend to try to smart critics of identity politics as.
2) Big one, I think: He takes a popular sentiment and elevates it above just laughing at some feminist blog post to actually serious intellectual inquiry. For years now these people have had their little handful of counter-stats they jerk off to, but now they have a legitimately good rhetorician who can bring a friendly argument to an actually respectable intellectual stage.

>>9329805
Can't get more pseud than that. He's in good company.

>>9328379
>Classic works of psychology such as maps of meaning

Lol bruh

>>9328361
t. never read his books or watched his lectures

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>>9328405

That's the shit version. Here's the actual version (no I didn't make it, but it's spot on).

>>9330561
Put Thomas Sowell up there

>>9330576

Do it yourself, it's not my chart

>>9328315
i knew about him before he was cool

ive never felt this way before but i'm actually kind of mad that everyone knows who he is now.

>>9330561
>calling comedians "Pseudo-intellectual rhetoricians"

This is the least amount of self-awareness I have ever seen on this site.

>>9330561
even calling some of these guys pseudo-intellectuals is being generous.

>>9330613
>that everyone knows who he is now.
Trust me, they don't.

>>9329353
me

>>9330733
everyone who's anyone

Good things about Peterson
>Has a solid philosophy of life
>Posts a lot of videos explaining what the hell he is about (it's hard to mix up Peterson's message)
>Does regular Q&As
>Not really afraid to go to places where he'll be protested against
>Fights SJWs from a centrist POV

Bad things about Peterson
>Somewhat narcissistic
>Plugs his stuff a lot
>Has the penchant for rambling

I agree with a lot of what he says, though. It's more about the method than the man; Follow the creed of sorting your life out and becoming responsible for yourself and it'll pay dividends.

>>9328315
He articulated what a lot of people think better than they could and SJWs gave him a global platform to do it on.

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Canadians shape /lit/ culture.

Basically, Canadians made your bookshelf what it is today.

>>9328315
he's able to articulate a somewhat coherent argument against the marxist mind-virus currently destroying western society

subconsciously, everyone has wanted to tell them to fuck off but not really known how to or had the courage to. JPetey is one of the first tenured academics to come out against it in its entirety and in a big way, and he's being rewarded for it

The Left has had this coming for a long time, as they are objectively on the wrong side of the argument. Keep in mind, however, that JPetey is just another tool in Kek's toolkit. /Pol/ is much more useful for Kek in the long run.

>>9330561

Where is Zizek?

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>>9330829
What is his end goal? Kek's, I mean.

>it's a /lit/ defends a catholic apologist episode

Listen to Sam Harris' two podcasts with him. I never had much respect for Peterson but he fucking embarrasses himself there.

>>9330888

>sam harris

LOL

Peterson was actually pretty well known prior to this for his business psychology stuff.

>>9330877
some of the most voluble posters on \lit\ are also catholic apologists

>>9330561
>No Derrida
>No Heidegger
>No Hegel
>No Aquinas
shit desu

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>shitstain peterson BTFO

>>9329085
>everybody here in Slovenia knows


>he's Slovene
DROPPED

>>9330977
This is awful

>>9328315
>>9328315
>ranting about gulags
>not realizing the third world countries producing electronics, fashion and raw materials are the biggest gulag ever created
>always remember: Solzhenitsyn said the line between good and evil runs through every one regardless of his wealth/class
>this capitalism seems quite alright
>also i am way to self absorbed to think or even recognize global power structures
>.........
>profit

meanwhile people in china, bangladesh, africa:
"I am a robot, please feed me"

>>9328315
>How did Jordan Peterson so quickly rise to become the foremost public intellectual (and intellectual meme) of our time?
he didn't?

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>>9328315
His entire philosophy generally boils down to incomprehensible mental gymnastics, but at least his conclusion is designed to inspire positive behavior (inb4 muh spooks). Only reason he's popular is for the anti-sjw crowd who probably don't even try to understand any of his real "philosophy".

>>9328405
>>9330561
>I'm not capable of processing other people's points of view
Whoever made these should absolutely neck themselves

>>9330977
Because being called man or woman is the same as an obvious insult. I'm offended

Isn't the whole Jung archetype thing unfalsifiable claptrap though?

>>9331135
You're on /lit/ not /sci/, 99% of everything we discuss outside of genre fiction is unfalsifiable.

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>>9330561
Shit.

THIS is the actual, complete version.

>>9328315
Haha, yeah he is viral right now, but he is in no way close to being the foremost public intellectual of our time. He is known for one thing, and one thing alone. Tell me if anyone cares in five years and then we can talk about him.

>>9331135
Surely when you base your whole philosophy off something like this though there needs to be some real evidence you can point to, this just kinda sounds good, it's not like the archetypes are found in all cultures

>>9331305
>it's not like the archetypes are found in all cultures
They are, that's like one of the major criticisms against them.

>>9328405
that syrian girl is a qt 3.14 tho

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>>9328315
>>9328405
>>9330561
>>9331271

>>9331271
>Jason Segal as DFW
subtle

>>9329040
This is the actual reason why people like him. The newer right wing movements are full of young-ish men with daddy issues and Petersons fills the role of reliable, strong-willed father figure.


Plus, memes.

>>9331323
I think it'd be hard to find them all in abo culture. And how is that a criticism if it is true?

>>9328315
who is jordan peterson

>>9330947
>voluble

Observe the typical IQ level of the average catholic apologist.

Jordan Peterson is the positive male role model I never had tbqh.

>>9331828
This is embarrassing for you

>>9331074
>His entire philosophy generally boils down to incomprehensible mental gymnastics, but at least his conclusion is designed to inspire positive behavior

>Implying all philosophy isn't like this

1) his lectures are interesting and have some good ideas
2) leftist ideologues are a serious threat to our civilization and he doesnt afraid of them

Viral marketing
YouTube
Man-children looking for male role models

If this guy truly fills some sort of desire for a father figure how is that anything but weak? You have an infinite resource of knowledge at your finger tips but you still need to be nannied by some old man willing to stroke your ego.

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>>9328388
>this unsorted in the year 2015+2

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>>9328315
he's literally jesus christ and has battled satan

>>9328405
Would be a 10/10 chart if you removed Scarruffi and PJW

>>9329599
This:
>>9329618
Only when you bear your proverbial cross by taking responsibility for your life and slaying the dragon(s) within you can you resist the temptations of radical ideology and live a genuine, meaningful life. That's all he's advocating for.
Where your former example refers to said temptations

sort

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They took away his grant funding...

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/an-opportunity-to-make-their-displeasure-known-government-pulls-funding-of-pronoun-professor

>>9330492
Point two, especially.
Like few people before him, he provides substantial ammunition to those who've only had access to those who've only had satirical, sophmoric, or resent-ridden airsoft bullets before it.
Have you seen his debates with the proponents of the legislation he's opposing? The dude can definitely formulate compelling arguements.

>>9328912
>Outside of the USA


Jordan Peterson is canadian, though. I'm Norwegian and I like watching his online lectures.

>>9330977
fucking hell i hate these motherfucking god damned indoctrinated sjw dipshits

>>9328315
His psychology is smart but he should stay away from post modernism and stuff

Peterson is ideology manifest

>>9328315
Go to bed, Jordan.

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>>9331271
SOmebody put Nutnfancy and Hikiock45 on here lol

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>>9330977
>Trump in italics
Yeah, we get it.

>>9328405
this is some fucking way advanced level trolling.

literally comparing putin to filthy frank

bro, but you forgot idubbbz

>>9328912
so he's known in the place that actually matters, got it.

>>9329599
>
What does it fucking matter to you who or what I am? What the hell are YOU doing with YOUR life? Sitting at home, laying on your back while the laptop overheats and burns your semen-encrusted stomach?

sounds like some nihilistic self projecting to me ;^)

He's getting famous for challenging people who can't handle criticism, but his real work is the

Jungian stuff. If I never hear anouther word about C-16 I'd be just fine.
I got dragons to fucking deal with.

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>>9328315
Anyone who can counter nihilism, power, and evil at the same time has something of value to offer and is worth paying attention to.

Also, just call them philosophers you faggot.

""""intellectual"""""

Does Jordan actually call himself a Christian? As far as I can tell he believes that biblical stories reveal psychological truths and that Jeebus is a kind of "meta hero" exemplifying the best human qualities, but if you just consider all of that type of stuff a collection of powerful fiction containing life lessons, aren't you basically an atheist?

>>9332511
>Jungian stuff

fuck...that's worse than lacan

>>9330866

In the middle to the left

>>9330963

It's contemporary rhetoricians, retard. I bet you haven't opened one of those books though, and if you did you probably read translations, mouthbreather.

>>9331074

>complains about an enemy intellectual
>oh no, here's a chart that lists my favourite retards along with him, better sperg out

>>9331271

It's good, but I'm not sure if moving beyond contemporaries is a good idea. The whole points isn't *just* to trigger.

>>9330977

powerful

>>9330977
I'm seriously starting to think Pol Pot was right all along.

>>9328315

Been following Jordan Peterson for about ten years now. Always enjoyed when he showed up on The Agenda with Steve Paiken. His debates against Atheists are great, very amusing to see him corner so called intellectuals to bumble the same things over and over again and trapping them in their own fallacies.

He got large because he's a voice of calm reason in the epicenter of SJW. Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, a great deal of left-leaning journalists and media owners, are all alumni of Toronto Universities- primarily Ryerson and York, which are bastions of Pro-Israeli and safe-space gender-study garbage.

This resonates with typically apathetic Canadians and teenage to early 30's American men.

>>9332322
No one is being compared mouth breather. It simply says "ignore".

>>9332902
What do you care what we call him or anyone? Saying that you are categorically IN some club is meaningless compared to actual understanding.

>>9328405
Who should we NOT ignore?

>>9328570
Spoiler alert!

>>9328315
As god grows cold in his grave people are looking for an escape from desultory nihilism. Psychology hasn't met the need, so a pseudo-christian meeting the anti-pc mood of the moment fills the void.

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>>9329192
>Forgetting that Nietzsche died a year after he collapsed into madness failing to create his own meaning in 1900.

>>9333311
people who aren't rhetoricians? Do you know what the word rhetorician means?

>>9333360
>a pseudo-christian
I don't think he is pseudo-Christian. He isn't a perfect one, sure, and he is limited by the lenses of his own field. So are we. So has every Christian ever been.

>>9333374
But everyone who speaks is doing rhetoric.

>>9333363
You don't create meaning once and for all you nong, you create it as an ongoing process with what life chucks at you. But if your brain starts deteriorating there's not a whole lot you can do about it.

Tl;dr suck a dick, hater

>>9333360
>tfw we're all just going to become religious all over again

>>9333442
>tfw you stop thinking of religion as something you are and start thinking of it as something you do

Maybe he has a better explanation in his books but I don't really get when he acts in his talks like the existence of pain is a slam-dunk refutation of meaningless.

Philosophers struggle with over centuries spent years combating nihilism and he handwaves it and starts talking about Pinocchio again

>>9333456
>I don't really get when he acts in his talks like the existence of pain is a slam-dunk refutation of meaningless
Because he's thinking about "meaningful" psychological pain.

>>9328379
>classic
I don't think it's old enough to be a classic

>>9333406
Christianity isn't really compatible with Darwinian notions of truth.

>>9332902
He calls himself a Christian
But doesn't believe in the resurrection
He never brought his own children to church
He likes the stories tho

The greatest thing he's done is realize the effect of mythology/mysticism on the psyche but Evola has already done that better

>>9329599
>Don't trust someone who tries to change you.
>Let me tell you how to change yourself instead of letting others change you
Lmao
Go home zlumpfkin

>>9333658
Just like Zizek. They have a lot of common ground despite being opposed on the surface.

>>9333995
Zizek doesn't call himself a Christian, he is an adament atheist

>>9329353
Deleuze and guattari almost made it but deleuze (((committed suicide))) and guattari (((died of a rare heart condition)))

>>9328405
>>9330561
I love these. /lit/ rarely gets this triggered, I'm somewhat surprised.

>>9332931
>enemy intellectual
I hope you don't actually think in these terms

>oh no, here's a chart that lists my favourite retards along with him, better sperg out
Just because you don't blanket disregard everyone with opinions doesn't mean you can't disagree or criticize them, which was my original point

>>9334063
He considers himself to be both, but not i a way that a pleb like you would understand.

>>9330492
good post

>>9328361
He's actually pretty widely respected at UofT as one of the better profs. Even grudgingly by some of the more sjw types.

>>9331918
would you rather have man-children NOT looking for male role models?

>>9331918
>fucking capitalist!
>fucking Youtube!
>fucking manchildren!
Not
an
argument

Sorry sweetie, better luck next time ;)

>>9328315
The current crop of public intellectuals leaves a lot to be desired.

At the top is the rotting body of Noam "DUDE GENOCIDES LMAO" Chomsky who is somehow still alive

Then you have the trashman himself, Zizek, Sam "r/atheism" Harris, Richard "actually unironically r/atheism" Dawkins
After that who do we even have? Nod uh argument man? Ben Shapiro? Banana fucker?

I don't necessarily agree with Peterson on a lot of issues, but I think he is a breath of fresh air in the way he approaches things. I mean we're talking about a world where John Green is one of the leading public "intellectuals".

The Canadian social climate was ripe for a rational reactionay voice. Also people are willing to pay him to continue expressing himself.

>>9328405
literal garbage-tier bait and yet all of you still took it. How long has everyone been here? Have you forgotten where you are?

Psychology is a pseudoscience, so as far as I'm concerned Peterson has a degree in fucking nothing. It also doesn't help that all he does is ramble about mythology and made-up archetypes as if that shit should concern anyone.

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Peterson on Marxism:
>Go read the Gulag Archipelago, all Marxism leads to terrible violence!

Peterson on Catholicism:
>Religion only leads to violence when it's misinterpreted! Anyone who was violent on the orders of the Catholic church wasn't a REAL Catholic anyway!

The guys a total hypocrite. He's against all dogmatic ideologies except his own, which he'll defend to the end of the earth.

>>9328405
>brother nathanael
oy vey delete this pronto

finna get the maps of meaning logo tatted on my arm

>all these resentful people with perpetually dirty rooms itt

>>9335448
>tattoos

unsorted

>>9335218
I don't think he says that about Christianity

>>9328405
>"How to get them (You)s" starter pack

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>>9328405
I'm perfectly aware this is bait, yet i still can't avoid being triggered

>>9328653
This to be honesy

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>>9335583
That's a shrike, they impress bitches by impaling their prey.

Extremely metal, goes well with the corpse paint.

>>9334501
>He considers himself to be both, but not i a way that a pleb like you would understand.

No he absolutely doesn't you retard. Go on find me a single instance where he calls himself a Christian or states any earnest belief in God

>>9330492
underrated post desu, I can't stand people like sargon and molyneux, absolute trash

davis aurini is another good youtuber, some stuff he says is retarded but he's a genuine guy

>>9330977
i legit want to strangle the woman who made this

>surpassed Zizek on every conceivable level

Except Zizek makes millions to travel around the world speaking and Peterson is on the brink of losing the one job he has.

>>9335620
"Is it true, then, that what I offer is a form of belief deprived of its structure, which effectively amounts to a disavowed belief? My counter-argument here is double. First, I conceive my position not as being somewhere in between atheism and religious belief, but as the only true radical atheism, that is, an atheism which draws all the consequences from the inexistence of the big Other. Therein resides the lesson of Christianity: as we have seen, it is not only that we do not believe in God, but that God himself does not believe in himself, so that he also cannot survive as the non-substantial symbolic order, the virtual big Other who continues to believe in our stead, on our behalf. Second, only a belief which survives such a disappearance of the big Other is belief at its most radical, a wager more crazy than Pascal’s: Pascal’s wager remains epistemological, concerning only our attitude towards God, that is, we have to assume that God exists, the wager does not concern God himself; for radical atheism, by contrast, the wager is ontological—the atheist subject engages itself in a (political, artistic, etc.) project, “believes” in it, without any guarantee. My thesis is thus double: not only is Christianity (at its core, if disavowed by its institutional practice) the only truly consistent atheism, it is also that atheists are the only true believers."

Why would you get yourself into this argument when you clearly have never read any Zizek?

>>9336025
https://www.patreon.com/jordanbpeterson

get with the times, bucko

>>9331271
so basically... everyone

>>9336100

Jesus, all that money and he can't hire a fucking video editor for a few hours a week.

>>9336100
What the fuck, that's 3 times the yearly salary in my country that he's getting PER MONTH. How can he justify that shit? He's just repeating himself over and over again while doing his daily job that someone's recording with a shitty phone, his lectures aren't even anything special that requires production value.

>>9330977
we're finished...

>>9336025

Also I think it's telling all Zizek videos on YouTube with with hundreds of thousands or even millions of views are him actually discussing his ideas.

All highly viewed Jordan Peterson videos are just "EPIC COLLEGE PROFESSOR BTFOs SJWs"

Most of his audience aren't really interested in his ideas, the right just like to hear an intelligent sounding guy complain about "neo-marxists" and trans people.

>>9336100

Also, why does that fucking idiot have:
>2. An electronic (pdf) copy of my book, Maps of Meaning.

as a $10 a month reward but gives it away for free on his website.
orward to his coming lecture series on Solzhenitsyn and Orwell. When he's giving actual analysis and isn't talking politics or religion he's fairly good.

>>9336171
>justify
People on Patreon who donate it to him do the justifying, not he himself.

Apparently people value his work enough to voluntarily donate this amount.

>>9336234
And he lacks the empathy and self-reflection to say "what the fuck is this shit, why am I asking for 35k/month, when I could do the exact same thing for 3.5k/month (or to be frank, $350/month)" and put a stop to it?

Do note that he is ASKING for 35k. For TWO LECTURES PER MONTH.

>>9332965
>York
>Pro-Israeli
the fuck are you smoking?
I know it was probably a typo. Hello Toronto-friend.

>>9336245
Also, I had the misfortune to actually watch one of these "lectures" on youtube recently, and he was literally reading wikipedia articles from his phone.

>>9336245
He needs that money in case he has to escape from SJW persecution in Canada and restart his nazi cult somewhere else.

>>9336245
Trying to crash the university with no survivors while piling up enough fuck you money to do so. This is a grown man with a family and responsibilities, he has bills to pay and people to take care of, he isn't some vlogger living with his mother.

He also said two original lectures a week. At this rate it will probably become a dayjob for him.

Also, there's nothing wrong with asking. It's not like he is a robber barron that has formed some sort of monopoly and is jacking prices of drinking water up unreasonably. He's just a guy asking for crowd-source patronage. You're welcome to decline.

>>9336329
>>He also said two original lectures a week.
You can't write two original lectures a week, you either start repeating yourself (see: Zizek), or they're completely worthless (see: this fucking retard literally reading fucking wikipedia).

What the fuck does he even have to say anymore?

>>9336272
No he fucking doesn't, Canada will give him free housing and food no matter what his political affiliation is.

>>9336345
I don't know, I don't really listen to the guy.

I don't get why he makes you so mad though. Obviously people are finding value in what he's doing.

Also don't forget, a lot of the donations are a display of solidarity from people who think entitled kids have no business playing language police and the institutions at hand have no business enforcing it.

>>9336171
being a professional anti-SJW and father figure to disaffected young men with discretionary income pays pretty well. If I had the academic credentials I would probably become an anti-SJW for an extra 200 a year.

>>9333229
yo nigga if you put two people into a category they are implicitly compared to be similar.

>>9336467
Well if you're being that general, i was correct and you do breath through your mouth.

>>9336080
Fucking hell, is all of Zizek such rambling word salad?

>>9335074
What is psychology pretending to be or do, in your opinion?

Do you think a degree in philosophy or literature would also be a degree in nothing?

>>9336573
Dude thats babby tier by his standards, git gud

>>9336573
Of course.
Hip young kids love salads.

>>9328388
And you're a pseudo intellectual with no job, influence or recognition boi.

>>9336585
>job, influence or recognition

And not an argument was in sight that day

>>9335457
Get with the archaic revival you dummy.

>>9336585
how do you know this information dude???

that dude you're talking to can be pewdiepie

>>9336591
Oh, did that hurt you little boy? Looks like I spoke the truth. The truth does hurt.

Making sweeping statements on things you don't understand like psychology makes you sound like an egotistic dumb fuck.

>>9336615
I wasn't even that guy, but yeah psychology is a complete joke to anyone with a half grasp on either the scientific method or philosophy of mind

>>9336581
>>9336583
I know this philosophical strategy. You set up a context where contradiction is a mystically good thing, like union of the opposites etc., and then just fucking get to work juxtaposing as many buzzwords laden with meaning as you possibly can. With all that swimming around in the listeners head, they create meaning, attribute it to the philosopher and they just agree with a furtive wink "yes, that's just ONE of the ideas in that dialogue."

>>9336630
What the fuck are you trying to say

>>9336621
Why? It is the bridge between them. What is wrong with that?

>>9336630
Lol it makes perfect sense if you understand his concept of surrogate belief and his reading of the crucifixion. There's really only ambiguity if you're a pseud reading an isolated passage on 4chan with no other comprehension of the work.

>>9336644
Because it doesn't actually bridge them. Psychology still operates on philosophical assumptions about emotions and desires that you'd be generous to describe as Victorian tier. And the very prospect of operating on the basis of "pscyhometrics" by arbitrarily assigning numeric values to abstract and ill-defined concepts is a complete joke.
It amazes me that anyone can listen to a guy like peterson for five minutes and conclude he bases a single thing he says in his esoteric mystic rants as based in empirical evidence.

>>9336650
>Christianity = atheism
>atheism = theism
>black is white
>white is black
>killed at the next zebra crossing

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>>9336662
Maybe stick with marvel films bud

>>9336662
>I don't understand the argument as presented
>better reduce it to something I can mock without having to make a real point
>heheh goteem

>>9336674
>if you don't value a philosopher, you don't understand them
Rubbiiiiiiiish

>>9336661
The very fact that you think it is arbitrary says to me you don't know the first thing about psychometrics. If you base a rant on, say, 2000 peoples response to a question, you're really just grounding your philosophical rhetoric (i.e., philosophy of mind) with relevance. There is nothing wrong with approaching philosophy with this extra grounded attitude.

>>9336697
>The very fact that you think it is arbitrary says to me you don't know the first thing about psychometrics.

Oh sure bud, rating your hapiness out of 10 is an excellent way of measuring well being.

>>9336685
Oooh, explain it to me please!
>inb4 not going to hold ur hand pleb (I can't)

>>9329057

well said Sir! here is your Gold.

>>9336716
Not going to hold your hand pleb

>>9329236

we cav emen now

>>9336650
>reading of the crucifixion

they took some guy who was stirring up trouble and nailed him to a piece of wood, what complicated reading does that require?

>>9330775

Good things abou8t me:

>shts in you´re mouth
>better than you
>shits in your mouth

>>9336750
>what complicated reading does that require?

The part where it inspired a religion of billions of followers that would eventually dominate human history for over a millenium

>>9332954

What did you mean by this?

>>9334598

>Then you have the trashman himself, Zizek, Sam "r/atheism" Harris, Richard "actually unironically r/atheism" Dawkins
>After that who do we even have?

Shrek

>>9336716
Zizek describes a form of belief in which one behaves as though they believe for the sake of another, such as a parent feigning belief in Santa Claus for their children. But sometimes you find a case where the feint goes both ways: a child pretending to believe in Santa so as not to disappoint their parents' expectations. This takes much more serious forms, such as in crumbling regimes: everyone in the country knows that the system is failing, but they continue to act as though it's stable for the sake of their beloved leader. The leader, too, is aware of his imminent fall from grace, but continues performing his duties in order not to disappoint his people. Zizek sees that this sort of relationship exists within religion, where some only believe in God in this surrogate way. Christianity engages with this in an interesting way. It's nothing new for a god to die and rise again, but Christianity in particular has God not merely dying, but seeming to stop believing in Himself (eloi, eloi, lama sabachthani). When God Himself stops believing, the whole system falls apart. To be a true Christian, in Zizek's view, one must both acknowledge this and nonetheless maintain surrogate belief. In this way he comes to a sort of Atheist Christianity - and one he thoroughly endorses as the solution of many of the West's problems. Of course, this is a gloss. His theories are significantly more sophisticated than even this, and I'd encourage you to read his serious works of philosophy (not the meme books he releases each year to feed his family).

>>9336714
If I asked you right now to rate your happiness out of 10 would you trust that as a good indication of how happy you feel right now?

>>9336839
So to be a true Christian you need to be an atheist Christian? Meaning what exactly, you adhere to the Christian ethics but don't actually believe in God?

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>>9333311

>>9336247
Totally a typo, York is as pro Israeli as ISIS

>>9329353
Manuel DeLanda

>>9330561
Who's the babe third from the bottom on the right edge? Does she do nudes?

>>9329353
Byung-Chul Han
Mark Greif
Rob Riemen

>>9336922
Christ no. I find the very notion absurd

>>9337089
OK. So if someone else DOES think they can provide an accurate indication of how happy they feel right now using a quantified scale, you would think they were wrong about their own ability to do so?

>>9328315
>How did Jordan Peterson so quickly rise to become the foremost public intellectual (and intellectual meme) of our time?
>Now, he has surpassed Zizek on every conceivable level, inheriting the crown of "world's #1 public intellectual."

LMAO

>>9337106
Imagine if there was a reality TV competition for this crown.

>>9337096
Yes they would be absolutely deluded in such an idea. I don't think happiness can be described as a discrete, isolated and certainly quantifiable entity. Any report of it is simply a socialized expression act and the idea we should aim towards maximizing the report in such an expression is obscene as it is idiotic

>>9329599
>Sitting at home, laying on your back while the laptop overheats and burns your semen-encrusted stomach?
>literally this whole part is true

Spooky.

>>9337133
>socialised expression act
What do you mean by this?

So if self-report measures correlate with observed report (e.g., partner report about the subjects mood), you think neither of these reports would have a basis in reality of that subjects mood?

>>9337117
America's Next Top Intellectual - Hosted by Ryan Seacrest

>>9337161
What I'm saying is quite clear. What one receives from a subject is only ever the report they desire the other to hear. The question itself already presupposes to the subject that his phenomenological experience could be categorized on a scale we can call happiness, a term itself loaded with a long history of socially prescribed values and significance to which before treatment even begins we suppose that it should be our aim to maximize.
If you're not noticing what a massive deluge of existential blindness you have to run with just to pose this question then I will shit on you for ever supposing that you offer any bridge between philosophy of mind and science.

>>9337183
Nice evasion of the question.

>>9337188
It's no evasion, if you had any critical mind you'd see that the very question itself is irrevelant based on its flawed notions of epistemology.
If you want it addressed directly any attempt to report reality will have some basis in reality by the mere virtue of reality existing. If you're asking the extent to which that report accurately represents reality the very basis of that report being impossible to verify makes the question of it as anything resembling science impossible. What you operate on from there is pure faith by subjectively assigning significance to arbitrary inputs of a metric you arbitrarily construed.

>>9337222
If you're saying that self reporting is inherently flawed from an epistemological point of view, then you can go ahead and throw all introspective philosophy in the trash.

If it's the quantification you're concerned about, what makes you think it's impossible to verify? If you can get it to the point where a statistical program can predict an outcome with 99.9% accuracy based on a self-report scale, what more would you need to say it is verifiable? It's not as if all psychological findings based on statistics are accepted, most are discarded because they have no predictive merit (i.e., they did not pass the verification).

>>9328785

>He [Zizek] has no attainable goals

1) Wealth

2) Status

3) Reputation as a non-pseud

4) Blowjobs/gogaine

The only ones who hate him are the ones who have watched his shorter videos. Go watch some of his longer non-politics/SJW related videos, the guy is legit

>>9330492
/thread

>>9335757
See? See the misogyny inherent in the 4chan? Help Help, women are being oppressed!

transphobic piece of shit!!?!?

>>9333625
How come? Christianity pushes mankind to garden the world and weed out the bad seeds.

Resurrection would be passing a spiritual barrier, similar to a bottleneck in darwinian evolutionary model, hence the new bodies that the denizens of heaven receive.

>>9328785
>help people "sort themselves out"

So long as you take the Self Authoring Course™ only $14.95!

Or donate to the Patreon! Just $35,000 a month and he'll upload 2 unedited recordings of his lectures a week instead of one!

He's a greedy fuck with a huge ego and a saviour complex. At least Zizek just has fun and acts wacky, he's not begging for money every 10 minutes.

>>9335218
You are obviously capable of naming the violent dogma of the Catholic church that has plagued Europe for nearly two thousand years.

>>9337699
Different person, but assuming both evolution and Christianity to be true would imply things like "God created blacks to be less intelligent", not to mention somewhat undermining Genesis.

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>>9337705

Gee, when has the Catholic church promoted a violent dogma in the last 2000 years let me think.

>>9332902
He points these things out in all religions, I think his position is that Christianity is the "highest religion on the dominance hierarchy" to phrase it like he would say it
It's pretty much the best mankind has done in terms of a system of morals

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>>9337705

>>9336615
>namecalling
>'not an argument'
>more namecalling

WOW YOU FUCKING SHOWED HIM

>>9337714
>undermining Genesis
Not at all. Your interpretation of it will be undermined and the simple models that claim it to be science.

>>9337729
Ah, the silk-gloved babby-court of its times.
>two thousand years
Dogma doesn't change, either.

>>9337719
A thousand years ago, not as a dogma either. Countries use their political power for political purposes. Surprised?
Dogma would be more like how they are meant to act in those situations. Are they meant to be loyal, and to whom? etc.

>>9328405
This was clearly made by a little boy sitting in his bedroom.

>Filthy frank
never has said anything political

+People from all over the Political Spectrum n shit

>Lib Left - Noam Chomsky
>Auth Left - Anita Sark.
>Lib Right - Gavin McInnes
Auth Right - Bill O.R

>people from a slough of religions

I can't even begin to comprehend your motivation behind these picks, little boy. My best guess is that you're a purity tester who uses the logic of "If you don't agree with me 100% on every issue than I hate you".

This is the faggiest thing I've seen this week.

>>9338363
Maybe he just hates opinions that are motivated by desire for fame and money, rather than the purest form of philosophical motivation (alcohol).

I feel like he's never saying anything. He seems decent, but I never get the point he's going towards. Is he schizoaffective?

>>9328405
I know who 1/2 of these people are.

Should i sodoku?

>>9338363

It's clearly a comedic image made to bait and entertain. It's kind of funny you're deriding others for their comprehension when you can't tell it's obviously meant to be ironic.

>>9336579
>What is psychology pretending to be or do, in your opinion?
A science. Which it is not.

>>9337179
America's Got Perversion

>>9340219
Man you're a fucking moron. Psychology is a necessary field of study.
You would realize this if you took a basic psychology course

>>9330638
I don't agree with the ones he put on there, but comedy has become more and more politicised, to the point of sacrificing humor for "lessons." There's good political humor (old david cross, haven't seen his new one yet because I'm enjoying standup less the more I read) which is clearly biased but doesn't sacrifice jokes to make a point. New comedians see what Alternative comedy has done and decide to take it a step further, by it not being comedy and instead some jello biafra/henry rollins ranting at you for half an hour.

>>9336080
>God himself does not believe in himself
Explain this

>>9337252
Predict what?
You're still operating on a value that is unverifiable, any predictions from there will simply be auxilliary and prove nothing of what the figure signifies itself.

>>9341498
>Predict what?
Shit man, don't play dumb with me. You use terms like "a value" just like I use "an outcome". We're talking generally about the psychological approach.

>You're still operating on a value that is unverifiable, any predictions from there will simply be auxilliary and prove nothing of what the figure signifies itself.
Yes... The field of psychometrics acknowledges the definite gap between the signifier and the signified construct. So? Your argument is what, exactly? That because we can't communicate our inner experience with 100% objective accuracy that we should scrap all psychological investigations? Why?

What if the field was called "grounded philosophy", which used philosophy of mind, but combined with statistics to make sure that the field did not begin to produce theories that blatantly contradict the reported experiences of huge amounts of people. I love philosophy of mind, and having that extra way of forcing theory to relate to real people is a nice twist in my opinion.

>>9341429
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

- Jesus

>>9329222
Honestly this. Also nice digits.

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>>9328315
Because he respresents the archetype of true speech. Like Jesus Christ. Peterson = Jesus. Wake up sheeple.

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>>9332954
I get it.

>>9332954
IT'S A HOLIDAY IN CAMBODIA

>>9330873
Raising the light.

Peterson's frequent discourse on chaos and order is no coincidence.

>>9333658
>he likes the stories tho
you mean he likes the stories in a book of stories?

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>>9341626
>"grounded philosophy"

This is something I wish to peruse myself, as I'm constructing a theory that heavily relies on personal understanding of this inner experience, but which can also be verified by statistics. The closest thing we now have to this is phenomenology, which heavily leans towards the philosophical and seldom makes use of large scale data. I find it unfortunate that there is this split and that psychology seems to suffer so much from 'physics envy', such that it's practitioners feel the need to paper over the experience of the individual mind with their experimental methods in order to imagine that this necessarily makes things more objective and scientific.

>>9338363
which one of your idols did I offend Stan?

>>9328315
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekL6sbVCLg
Who?

>>9335569

Did the concept of "(You)s" come to 4chan when kids started coming who were used to social media?

I swear this a recent phenomenon. I don't remember anyone mentioning "(You)s" until pretty recently. Similar to a Facebook or Instagram like.

>>9342802
(You)

>>9342816

Thanks, this answered my question

>>9328405
>ignore anyone who's work has real impact

>>9342335
Relatively speaking, psychology is still new, but to even speak of it as a unified field is actually quite misleading. There are practitioners and theoreticians, and both types can be either materialist or not in their views about the mind/body duality. Many have not even given it much thought.

I hate it when people say "psychology is JUST philosophy" as if philosophy isn't the most incredible field of endeavour. I don't have much respect for psychologists who lack at least a little training in philosophy of mind. But psychology adds to this by simply making the theories it generates somewhat accountable to tangible data from other people.

The real issue is not that the philosophical foundation of psychology is there, but that it is frowned upon. But this is not strictly about psych and more about philosophy in general. These days funding goes to pragmatic research and the development of practical techniques, not so much ideas. So if you were psychology, watching the philosophy departments get culled, you'd most likely try to save yourself by minimising that aspect and emphasising the hard data.

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>>9329479
the rule only applies to history threads - this could be a humanities thread...

>>9342990
>Needing others to regurgitate skewed information to confirm your biases.

>>9329479
Its almost as though Jordan Peterson shouldn't be discussed anywhere

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>>9328315
>Internet hates college SJWs for being neonazi fags
>Peterson happens to be a professor in a school filled with safe-spaces and meaningless labels/pronouns
>Peterson gets to insult the SJWs shitty logic and rhetoric in ways that make the internet hard as a rock

Jeez I wonder how Peterson became an internet celebrity how ever did it happen?

>>9343527
sure, but didn't he earn that celebrity status too? everybody thought this guy was just going to be another clueless schlub who was either comically out of touch with the present age or some loser who would have folded under the pressure. but he looked like shit last year, unsure about his job, weeping in that one video

the guy earned his celebrity in about as honest a way that it can be done in academia, no?

>>9343536
He got famous using logic against people who barely pretend to consider logic when pushing their political views. It reminds me of how John Oliver became popular making fun of easy targets and obvious scams, when everyone knows you're in the right the video is more about presentation than anything else.

He's an honest intellectual, not a tool like Oliver i'll give him that.

>>9343586
I guess for me that's what I found admirable about the man, that he could stand up to these mobs and crowds but without losing his temper, threatening them with violence, playing the victim card, or any number of other tricks he might have done but didn't. Even on television interviews where he was continually being sniped at by the most odious slimeballs trying to score points and virtue-signaling, he managed to keep the high ground. He was up against fools, but he was up against a *lot* of them, and he seems to have mostly had to go it alone too.

So now of course he's got the Patreon and whatever else, okay. Still tho. I read his book and honestly didn't find it as impressive as his lectures and the way that he speaks, but whatever.

As you say, he's honest. I've heard him trash lots of postmodern authors I write, and he's not really charitable to them, but the times have changed and he's battling more against the clueless disciples of those guys more than the authors themselves. And man, that's a thankless battle, when you're up against the forces of holiness and tolerance. I'm not completely sold on Jung but I'm definitely a supporter of Peterson, I think.

>>9328315

>intelligent man
>well spoken
>dedicated to his craft
>don't be a spineless white knight
>don't mindlessly echo every far left political point
>not a communist vermin Marxist

Take notes pseuds, this is literally all you have to do to be loved by the masses. Be loved by your communist-cult pseud friends or be loved by the masses. Your choice.

>>9328405
>putin
lol'd

>>9331027
This.

>>9331027

Hey fuck head they'd rather make our sweaters than starve to death. That's their choice to make. I'm personally happy to fund their continued survival.

Life and nature were cruel before free markets, no system will alleviate that. Communism and forced redistribution just make it worse, as has been proven.

>>9343766
>forced redistribution just make it worse, as has been proven.

lol. what are taxes and social programs?

>>9343766
Yes, of course, we are actually helping these people.
That's the way it is, maybe they did something wrong to deserve this life of misery.

>>9337705
>>9337824
I mean, the Catholic church literally protects pedophiles all around the world right now. I don't care about your theology, stop doing fucked up shit.

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>>9331027
Is there anyone more braindead than a utilitarian? How in the fuck am I responsible for some Bangladeshi prostitute half the world away? And isn't it incredibly racist to suggest these people need our help? It's some weird leftist co-opt of the white man's burden. I'm not falling for it. Everyone has the right to self-govern, it's inevitable that some governance would be inferior to others.

>>9328405
how did yanis varoufakis make it onto here?

if anyone knows what they're talking about when they talk it's him since he only talks about his field and he's a phd

>>9344303
What exactly does he know?

>>9328315
His views on Jung are fascinating but not especially innovative. That horse was beaten to death so long ago that children today haven't even heard of it--which is why Peterson strikes people as novel.

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Empiricism was a mistake. We should've stuck with Hard Rationalism and determined reality through reason alone divorced from experience. It is our obsession with the easy route of empiricism that is to blame for all of our problems. People are now thoroughly convinced that no idea that does not have material substance is worthwhile--they believe exclusively in physical truths, physical pleasures, and physical distractions.

The result is hedonism, diversion-culture, and the horrors of our materialistic degenerate society. The superfluous trappings of modernity have done NOTHING to exorcise mankind's inner demons--instead they now run rampant and ignored because everything, EVERYTHING must be physical and have a physical solution. Your brain is fucked up, that's why you're sad. Here, eat a physical pill, watch some television, buy an Xbox. No no, it is not the fact that you have no higher motivations in life, you are a worker bee. You are a mass of soybeans and high-fructose corn syrup transmuted into human flesh. Your suffering isn't real, you're just sick.

Truth? What about truth, truth is what you can see, it is your shitty apartment and your Earthquake malt beverage, it is your oxicotine and your adderall, it is Game of Thrones and Survivor. Those are True, but Good? God? Justice? No no, those are all spooks you stupid goyim, ignore those, help yourself to another plate of carcinogenic cow flesh.

Even rebels like Peterson dare not say that there is a higher truth, they only say that things would be less painful if we pretended there was one. That is our situation now. The PRETENSE that there is higher truth is so dangerous that it is fringe-radical.

Whenever he mentions rescuing your father I except him to cite the Aeneid or something like that, but it's goddamn Pinocchio, every single time.

>>9344356
He also has done videos on Harry Potter. He is clearly going for accessibility as his prime consideration, gotta give the people not just what they want...but what they can understand.

>>9344394
Yeah, of course. I'm sure that he knows his classics, but it somewhat novel to hear an academic obsessed with people like Jung and Nietzsche couching his language in contemporary media.

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I find it disturbing personally. The idea that Rowling actually adopted Jungian archetypes is all kinds of alarming and I can't begin to believe it. It's a discredit.

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whenever I've gotten into this discussion about the reality of objective vs. there only being subjective truth, I bring up the "existence" of pain, the most denominational out of many experiential phenomena held to be more or less universal, and that seems to basically end the discussion.

It's a powerful argument and a perfect counter to the post-modernist claim of language being a "WHOLLY subjective discourse".

Now, on the level of WHAT words we use to refer to an object, even the pre-modernists would agree to the subjectivity of that semiotic dimension.

In fact, we can clearly see this pre-modernist acknowledgement of the subjectivity native to language in Genesis, as Adam is told by God to name the plants and animals in His Creation.

However, since the development of Saussure's sign theory, the post-modernists took it upon themselves to question the objectivity of the "object" itself, asserting that the existence or "truth" of an object is to be considered just as subjective as its label.

Such an argument seems to be blown out of the water by appealing to basic, denominatory human experience.