Why haven't you read the greatest living author of all time,

>>9232828
Night Soul was alright.

My library doesn't have any other of his works tho

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>>9232828
I can only get Smuggler's Bible, W&M and The Letter Left To Me. Which do I read first lads?

Both Smugglers Bible and W&M sound great and i canny decide.

>>9232852
Smugglers bible. Women and men calls upon things a few things laid out in his previous novels so I would save that for later.

>>9232828
>greatest living author
>of all time

wat

>>9232865
Our*

>>9232864
Well that's solid enough advice. I'll do that.

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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DCBbAAAAMAAJ

how do you download a whole book on google books if the only bits you can see are when you search certain words

i need to reeeaaaaad hinds kidnap

>>9232883
It sounds like his best book. I also want to read it.

>>9232905
me too but its also his rarest

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is it pronounced mac elroy or mackleroy

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My pet rat is reading w&m rn. Apparently it's really gud.

>>9232828
Because his books are out of print, you fucking mongrel cretin.

By all means mail me a copy of Lookout Cartridge at a fair rate.

>>9233115
Many of them are being rereleased in the coming months. Actress in the house and W&M are getting reprints

>>9233022
This pls. Free me from my suffering

>>9233088
Nice ratto, shoutout /an/ nation

>>9233088
I thought I'd hate rats, but now that I have them I realise what a mistake I made. They're literally just pocket sized dogs, they're so loving.

>>9233133
dzanc are fucking jews everyone knows this. they promised reprints with the release of cannonball which is nearly four years old.

>>9233115
They aren't that expensive on abebooks. You can get most for $5 plus shipping.

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>>9233343
>plus shipping

>>9232883
>>9232905
>>9233015
Meh, it's not that great. Now, Actress in the House and Cannonball: those are his best.

>>9233412
Wrong! Smugglers bible and ancient history are, you stupid fucking faggot. Kill yourself. Everyone knows his newer books aren't as good. God why do I even come here.

>>9232828
Is that book on water ever coming out?

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>>9233443
I think so

>>9233022
I refuse to read him until someone provides an answer to this question

>>9233474
Mic elroy you stupid fuck

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>>9233482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWi8_mmSqeQ

wrong

>>9233429
>le author's first two books are better than the rest meme

I bet you think that's true of Pyncheon and Gaddis as well.

>>9233343
>>9233133
lookout cartridge isnt getting rereleased and im looking at ~$100 CAN for it

fuck you

his other books don't sound interesting whatsoever

>>9234280
Woah wtf dude I got mine around Christmas time for $10 on abebooks. None of them were this expensive Is going on.

>>9234280
None of his books 'sound good'. Just try a cheap copy of Smugglers bruh.

>>9234386
LMAO you stupid faggot

McCarthy

>>9234280
There's an ebook you fucking moron

Has anyone else on this board read WnM and want to talk about it with me? Or even people wanting to ask any questions who are reading it/wanting to read it. I've spent a good amount of time reading up on old Joey

>>9236048
ebooks dont count as reading

>>9233022
>>9233134
McElroy
it is Mc not Mac

>>9236969
refer to this >>9233512

>>9236345
What's the deal with the Hermit inventor of New York?

>>9233412
please help me

>>9233537
Can't tell if you're joking but if not what's your personal ranking of Gaddis' novels?

>>9238296
It's a few things, you have a sort of dualism with the hermit inventor and the anzazi weatherman, who's a more mystical figure and immortal, whereas the hermit inventor is reborn every other generation as a nephew. The hting about WnM is that things build out of a sort of mythology complete with reincarnations and avatars, so the Hermit popped up more than a few times (telling the grandma to go west while also telling Jim about the final more sci-fi setup). Try to attach notions of puritan seculaism (if such a concept exists) to the hermit, thinking of him as the creator of newyork as well as an image of our salvation (i mean jesus was an inventor). WnM will try to reconcile seemingly opposing forces a lot: the earth and the sky, faith and reason, men and women.

>>9238749
more on this "reconcilliation" I think there is at least one point where the hermit inventor becomes Jim or the weatherman, this is another thing WnM will do a lot, merging two objects or diverging the histories of one object into two (think the pistol that's been passed around in Jim's family only to show up among some hicks living outside his home). So there will be times where you can assign the role of the inventor to Jim, the guy by the statue of liberty who tells his grandma to go west, or even Jim. (or his brother)

>>9238720
He has to be joking

>>9238749
Holy fuck this sounds complicated.

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Ever time I see OP's picture my skin crawls looking at that sticker residue.
For fuck's sake clean that shit off and use different picture.

Invest in a bottle of Goo Gone, guys, this shit removes all sticker gunk and won't damage the book.
This shit works miracles.

>>9238951
Those aren't even my books haha

>>9238749
>>9238770
i think the reason why w&m intimidates me is because there isnt a huge amount of commentary on it (as there is for pynchon, gaddis, gass etc) the only secondary material is a couple of odd essays and posts like this on here/goodreads

>>9239006
for what it's worth there ARE some resources that I found super useful. If you're at a place that gives JSTOR access there are a couple interviews with McElroy that sort of dig into his process a little more, as well as another essay I really like that explores his (as well as gaddis, pynchon, ect) obsession with "excesss." I'll see if I can attach the links to a reply.

>>9239045
Here's a nice little interview that was done after WnM:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/24514809.pdf

And here's the more critical essay I mentioned:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/1207862.pdf

>>9239045
>>9239054
this is really good, thanks anon

>>9238875
It isn't simple, but there is a lot of fun to be had. Some of the short story pieces in the work rank among the best stuff I've ever read.

>>9239045
Alright so I read ancient history and it was dope. He had a bit of science in it that went over my head but didn't effect the book. It was still great. After I read about that science and it made sense. Can I read women and men and maybe not understand some of it and still have a good time?

>>9239058
cheers, let me know if you guys wanna discuss anything in particular

>>9239063
I actually haven't read Ancient History but if you're already a fan of his style then go for it. Just go in with a good amount of patience and time to spend on it. There are some sections (one that comest to mind is this 100 page plus sequence on a prisoner written in this incredibly fragmented and barely connected style) that your'e just going to end up having to read twice. The book has this insane frantic energy about it too that you have to trust. Off of the top of my head I remember this part where it makes some obscure allusion or reference and then in the next sentence says something like "wait what did that even mean? what you just said" which was followed by a "it doesn't matter we have to keep moving forward." This little dialogue is pretty indicative of what to expect desu. Read slowly then quickly and don't worry too much about the science science aspects. McElroy is a little less technical than someone like say Pynchon (but also somehow still a lot more dry)

>>9239095
Well I will be reading his other novels and waiting patiently for women and men to come into print. When it does I will read it asap. I really liked the style. It was an excersise in style. Good stuff.

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>>9233022
It's pronounced in DJ jargon anon, as in
MC-Elroy (emcee - elroy)

>>9239644
what did he mean by this?

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so if read and greatly enjoyed ancient history what should I read next?

price isnt an object because i think my uni library has all of his stuff, even w&m

>>9241177
check out my earlier post

>>9239095

>>9241186
ancient history has plenty of nonsense jargon you just ignore, and it all comes from the present tense narration. the work is also extremely fragmented, its literally cut in half

so it doesnt sound that different

>>9241154
You don't know what DeeJays and eMCees are? Like MC Ren and DJ Yella?

>>9241177
Why do Americans put their used toilet paper in baskets?

>>9232828
I already have.

>>9241216
fair, but I'd be a little careful of the whole "it's experimental and by the same author so it's the same idea." ASB is completely different from LC which is leagues away from WnM. McElroy uses a lot of the same material as inspiration but uses it a differently especially in the case of narration. We have floating disconnected narration in Plus and a much more clamorous interweaving narrator in WnM for example.

>>9241285
and, to further elaborate, our relationship (as a reader) and the text is what this idea of fragmenting or isolating or corrupting narration is all about. Depending on where we stand in relation to the text, its references to science/history/Hamlet/economics are framed within that narrators perspective. When we get narrators sort of clashing, as with Jim and the boy (the one with his mom being cucked by a lesbian and who's taking economics in WnM) come into contact the text itself has a jarring quality to sort of 'signal' this clash or collision of perspective.

>>9241293
SB, on the other hand, is similarly fragmented but the pieces are a lot more isolated and only accidentally interact with each other, whereas in WnM there's a 'desperation' to the excess. (And all of this is flipped on its head in Plus, which works well as sort of an antithesis of what McElroy does best).

>>9241246
beckett isnt fucking french

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Anybody read Hind's Kidnap? What's it like? All I know is that it's expensive and has a beautiful cover. Also >>9232883 would be helpful.