I don't get it, why is suffering a good thing? And are mostly

it's not the suffering, it's how you learn to deal with the suffering that's the good thing.

>>9213931
>pain = bad
chucked

read C&P

>>9213931
Redemption from sin (your own and others) is obtained through suffering

>>9213940
yeah like alcoholism and suicide and personality disorders

>>9213946
But I am! At page 685 atm and Porifi
said that stuff that's why I made this thread!
>>9214048
How about not having sins and not suffer in the first place, they are like "damn it feels good to not have this pain anymore" but I say "damn it feels good to never have pain in the first place"

>>9214097
>original sin
Even without original sin though, everyone sins.

Also, redemption for the sins of others (you see this in the sequel, the karamazov brothers).

>>9214094
#_#

>>9214097
read it through, the epilogue doesn't hand it to you or make it obvious, but it becomes clear that suffering is the catalyst for strength, patience, and ultimately love

>>9213931
My interpretation from reading The Brothers Karamazov was that dosto believed that suffering was what humbled us and is what equalized us. I don't think it was viewed as a good thing necessarily, but it was viewed as something necessary and a part that comes with everyday life.

>>9213931
Pain is what causes growth. A bit of heartache is good for the soul. Makes people stronger, by dealing with said pain, and realizing that they are capable of more.

>>9214094

That would be a very unhealthy way of dealing with your suffering.

Believe it or not, there's actually very healthy, very inspiring, and very good ways of dealing with it that cause you to actually grow and mature as a person.

>>9213931

To feel existential angst is to be truly human

I think its as simple as that

You hold simple hedonistic ideas. Enjoyment = good, pain = bad. Well that just doesn't have to be true.

>>9214097
>How about not having sins and not suffer in the first place, they are like "damn it feels good to not have this pain anymore" but I say "damn it feels good to never have pain in the first place"
In the latter situation, you don't really realize what you have avoided. You have to suffer to understand what God really offers. It's contrast, a sort of before-and-after commercial (except that it's on a spiritual level, ongoing within you).

That's how I see it at least, as an atheist.

>>9214142

>Believe it or not, there's actually very healthy, very inspiring, and very good ways of dealing with it that cause you to actually grow and mature as a person.

Could you elaborate on any of them?

>>9214896

Like....being a man? Learning to handle adversity, maybe even conquering it? Or taking your pain and suffering, and turning it into some form of art?

>>9214920
>>>9214896 (You)
>Like....being a man? Learning to handle adversity, maybe even conquering it? Or taking your pain and suffering, and turning it into some form of art?

Sorry I thought you had something enlightening to say about ways to cope with suffering instead of a stereotyped, meaningless answer

>>9214939

You realize it's your responsibility to provide your own answers, right?

>>9214896
Doctors without Borders
Fireman
Policeman

Everyday heroes that translate their suffering into helping others and saving lives. It's beautiful honestly.

>>9214939
You're a fucking arrogant ass. God doesn't owe anything to you, and nobody is going to give you a magical answer to fix your problems and issues. You've got to learn it by yourself.

>>9214943

>You realize it's your responsibility to provide your own answers, right?

Yes, and part of that task consists in listening to what others have to say.

I guess when it comes to suffering experience is key: on one side you can get a valuable insight from someone who has dealt with many tough experiencies. On the other hand, lack of experience could result in a poor coping response

>>9214966
>Yes, and part of that task consists in listening to what others have to say.

is it...?

>>9214958
>>You've got to learn it by yourself.

Yes.


>>9214973
>is it...?

Well, not necessarily, but it could be useful.

>>9214943
Actually, it's not his responsibility, since it was you (or maybe someone else, can't tell because anonymous) who introduced the notion that there were plenty of healthy ways to deal with suffering that make you grow. He obviously didn't know, which is why he asked the question. You pretended to provide it, but in reality you just said something meaningless and trite

>>9214953
>DUDE JUST BE A FIREMAN LMAO

>>9214142
teach me

>>9214953
nurses too, and some therapists/psychs (although most are assholes who learned everything they know from lectures and textbooks).

>>9214993
>>9214993
If you're going to dismiss the examples of people that translate their suffering into something beautiful then shut the fuck up and stay in /r9k/ complaining about how senseless is your life.

>>9214985

He doesn't have to grow. Nobody really cares if he doesn't. God probably doesn't either.

Nobody owes him an explanation, or sets a path in front of them to follow.

It's called freedom. being a free person has quite a bit of drawback, the main being that everything is up to you. This can also be a massive strength if used correctly, but can also make someone a useless, demanding, entitled pile of shit.

If you want, go ahead and believe that life is all suffering, there's no way out of it, there's no way to assuage it, so you should in turn do nothing and become an alcoholic or such, to cope. Nobody ultimately cares if you do that.

Personally...i've been there, and seen where that leads you, so I wouldn't recommend it. But I don't really care if you don't believe me. Everything in your life is up to you.

>>9215009
I never pretended to have the answers, you did. I can criticize your shitty quarter-assed responses all I want

>>9215016
Nobody does owe him anything, but one anon was enough of a faggot to pretend that he had the answers, but of course when asked to elaborate he had to either own up to the fact that he was bullshitting or try to pathetically turn the tables with muh 'I don't owe you nuthin'

>worshiping a dead kike on a stick who is a passive aggressive slave idolizer

>>9215026
So you don't provide an answer by yourself and instead try to tear down anything your interlocutor says? Have you considered that the point of a conversation is not that? Your arrogance is too big.

>>9215034
what answers?

Stating that there's people in life that find healthy ways to deal with suffering?

Is that some sort of revelation? You can pick up tons of books and find examples of great books written by people who found this to be true, or wrote about characters who found this. You can watch youtube videos of tons of people who are genuinely content in life, despite their suffering. You can go to the grocery store and ask content looking people about it too. This is not news here...

If you want to know the answers as to how you can do it, then only you can answer it.

I'll start you off because you seem a slow learned.

Question 1: Where do you want to be in life?

Question 2: Why aren't you there?

>>9215059
If you read a book and didn't enjoy it, are you allowed to tell somebody you didn't think it was good? Or do you have to write your own superior book in order to be allowed to speak?

>>9215016
>>9215061
For a "folksy" "common sense" kinda guy you sure write like a spooked teen

>>9215109
Dang, that sure stung.

>>9215079
1. This isn't a criticism buffet where you get to tear down any of your opponents arguments without making one of your own.
2. Provide a meaningful answer. Until now you've only made nonsensical excuses.

>>9215117
>2. Provide a meaningful answer. Until now you've only made nonsensical excuses.

Cool. Then you're right. 100%. There's no people in life at all who can actually cope with their suffering, not that there would be any value in doing so if they could.

So there you go. that's the answer you want.

>>9214985
>dude it's physically impossible for me to deal with suffering lmao
Weakling

>>9213931
well there's the whole penance thing that many sects believe in to some degree, and there have been many influential people that tried to make Christianity all about guilt and you can imagine how that affects people, but a lot of it, I would say over half, is in believing that enduring suffering makes you a better person-- makes you stronger, makes you appreciative, makes you careful, makes you want to really experience life, makes you want to help others who are suffering, etc.

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>Increscunt animi, virescit volnere virtus
Heh... Remember that... Kidd...

>Fag: God! There's no answers in life, this is bullshit!
>God: There's plenty of answers, look around, people find them all the time.
>Fag: So fine! Tell me then!
>God: well I gave you a free mind, it's a really great thing, you can use it to find your own answers, you don't need me.
>Fag: No! YOU tell me the answers!
>God: I don't haveto. Actually, motherfucker I gave you a free mind...which is kind of a lot, so I think I did enough here....
>Fag: So great! Tell me the answers.
>God: Dude....ok fine, there's no answers, there you go.
>Fag: See! Told you there's no answers!

>>9215117
Actually, it is a criticism buffet. Since you said you had answers and I didn't claim to. Your responses were shit and were not at all thought-out. I don't have better ones, but your answers are still shit regardless. The fact that I don't have answers doesn't make your pretend answers not shit.

>>9215258
>Since you said you had answers

i did...?

>>9215165
>people who haven't lived a comfy NEET life like me and may have actually had problems that I am not aware of are all just weaklings lmao. Just grow a pair life's not that hard!

That's a cool opinion. When are you publishing your manifesto?

>>9215269
this anon did >>9214142
>That would be a very unhealthy way of dealing with your suffering.
>Believe it or not, there's actually very healthy, very inspiring, and very good ways of dealing with it that cause you to actually grow and mature as a person.

He did not elaborate (unless he was the guy who just responded with 'be a fireman'), so it's apparent that he was full of shit. I'm allowed to call him out for being full of shit without being required to supply my own set of answers, since I never claimed to have any in the first place

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get out of /lit/

>>9215289

I don't see where he, (actually me, but no idea who you're really talking about anymore), claims to have, "Answers". Not really sure what you even mean by answers anymore.

So....you're saying that nobody in life finds good ways of dealing with suffering?

>>9213931
Original sin = kids are egocentric cunts. It's unavoidable.

Getting over that is sublime, makes the world a better place. It involves a willingness to be annihilated, a terrifying concept for the ego. It always includes suffering or some sort.

t. Not a Christian, but they did the best they could in a retarded age.

>>9215300
No, I'm saying that I don't know of any 'healthy, inspiring' way to 'deal' with existential despair that isn't just predicated on distracting yourself from thinking (which is not my idea of healthy). People who might be sad that take up running to get not-sad, or somebody who is concerned about starving children who joins Doctors without Borders are not at all what I'm talking about, because for all I know their despair is not the same as mine, and simply participating in an activity that releases endorphins or getting a job where you help people would not be a viable strategy to alleviate what is mostly existential suffering and constant feelings of meaninglessness that are not alleviated by forcing an arbitrary purpose onto one's life

>>9213931
Catholic tradition is really obsessed wth suffering, sacrifice, and martyrdom
I say this coming from a catholic background and even I get these "sacrificial" impulses a lot where I feel I need to punish myself in order to reach higher attainment.

When you think about it though, exasperating your own suffering is a bit silly and only acts as a distraction from the real legitimate suffering you have in your life.
You create suffering you can control in order to avoid confeonting what you think you cannot.

>>9215339
Remember Socrates/Plato said: What you can't understand is that to me, the best life is a life spent asking about how to live a good life.

t. letzter mensch
>>9215309
>retarded age
Wrong, back to ribbit

>>9215348
Kek, are you one of those people who thinks progress has been a bad thing? What has any of this got to do with rebbit? You just seem like a thoughtless buzzword spammer to me.

>>9215339
>No, I'm saying that I don't know of any 'healthy, inspiring' way to 'deal' with existential despair that isn't just predicated on distracting yourself from thinking (which is not my idea of healthy

Maybe that's why you're not where you want to be in life. Naturally, because you haven't found your answers, and probably haven't even looked for them, then in your eyes nobody else could possibly have either. You've tried nothing, and nothing works to solve your suffering. Surely everyone else is in the same situation as you.

>>9215362
>Kek
>progress
>buzzword
>spammer

yeah, I'm definitely the one doing that

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>>9215365
>we've tried nothing, and we're all out of options.

>>9215366
Care to respind properly to the point then? I'm interesting to know why you would argue that the age of early Christianity was less retarded than now?

People who think suffering is "good" are edge lords who misunderstood Nietzsche

>>9215379
>>9215309

>>9215379
Nietzsche has extremely little to do with this concept

>>9215365
>probably haven't even looked for them
>You've tried nothing

Actually, it's practically the only thing I think about, and I've tried myriad strategies. Exercise, therapy, medication, volunteering, drugs, trying to be more social. It doesn't solve my fundamental problems, which are not serotonergic or related to personal purposelessness

Reading is the only thing that helps, and that's mostly just because I can commiserate with minds greater than my own, who can give voice to experiences I feel I share but can never articulate

>>9215388
>Exercise, therapy, medication, volunteering, drugs, trying to be more socia

I've bet you've tried everything, except what you know you need to do.

I don't care about your life story btw, I don't care if you ever do find your answers, almost nobody does....except maybe you.

>>9215395
Honestly doing these sorts of things without the spiritual backing behind them really just turns them into hollow ritual

>>9215408
cool, i'm sure you're right. you're always right.

>>9215395
I'm only telling you because you're dismissively making assumptions about my life, like this one

>I've bet you've tried everything, except what you know you need to do.

Easy there, Dr. Phil. Keep being a spiritual guru

>>9213931
>I don't get it, why is suffering a good thing?

Stockholm syndrome basically

>>9215408
What is the spiritual backing if not the certainty that this other anon says he already doesn't have? What a stupidly circular argument.

>>9215165
>Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Suffering Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Sadness Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha

>>9215427
just like I instantly knew you were an unhappy person by reading your first post.

Way off on that one.

I bet you have trouble believing that people can see right through you, and they avoid you because they can see right away that you're an exceptionally unhappy and unpleasant person. They avoid you because they don't want you dragging them into your awful little world, that you've imprisoned yourself in, where you're always right, everyone thinks exactly as you do, nothing ever gets accomplished, and happiness is never found, and nobody else could possibly live differently.

The real question is: if god loves humans so much, then why does he let them suffer?

>inb4 "muh free will!"

This is not an answer.

>>9215456
Assuming you are right, anon, do you honestly think you are helping him right now? Honestly you seem like a miserable shit yourself. So much vested interest in proving that you are wise and that existential problems can be solved. Maybe try offering something more constructive than "you're wrong."

>>9215467
why do they let themselves suffer?

>>9215476

I did. He says it's not possible. So...

>>9215467
They are not really suffering. Above the suffering they are blissful. The suffering is just another move in the dance.

>pain=bad
This is actually the limit of the intelligence of normies

>>9215362
Progress is a buzzword, it doesn't exist.

>>9215481
What was your advice? I can't tell who is who but so far it has just been "look for answers" and "be spiritual." Fucking pleb tier vague self help ranting platitudes.

>>9215497
Oh, so you think all times are equal? If you had the choice to be reincarnated into the same time of your death or medieval times you'd not have a care?

>>9215467
Yes it is an answer, read more you child.

>>9215509
>reincarnated
I'm not a Pagan

>>9215456
Actually I've never assumed that everyone thinks like me or is incapable of finding happiness. I'm sure people have their own problems, and I'm sure people find effective ways of dealing with them. But they are not my problems, and their strategies do not work for me. I do think that it's unlikely that people can see 'right through me,' just as I think it's unlikely anybody can see right through anybody because we all have different contextual qualia of experience. It is you who holds that believe, as you've demonstrated time and again by making assumptions about me that are without fail ridiculous and incorrect. It seems you have the desperate need to try to sum up the world into a convenient definition, which might not be the case but that's how it seems to me, and that is a common thing that a lot of people do. But it will hold you back from ever empathizing with people, and you'll exist in a combative, dismissive state of misunderstanding for your entire life

>>9215499

Find your answers.

Don't want to find your answers? Ok...then stop bitching.

Once again, nobody owes you an answer to your gay ass problems, they're your problems, it's your responsibility to solve them. If you don't solve them, nobody will. You're the only one who can. You have that freedom, you can sit around and suffer the rest of your life, or find your way out.

If you don't, nobody cares. You're just another of the trillions who didn't.

I obviously can't tell you what the solutions to YOUR problems are, as I obviously don't know them, and I don't particularly even care what they are, as I have my own to work on.

If you look around the world, you might notice that are a lot of people who have found their answers, however, if you doubt that it can be done.

>>9215518
It's called a hypothetical. Obviously you don't know yourself enough to answer it.

>>9215525
There is no answer is an answer. And you are here talking about yours just as much as he.

Get the fuck over yourself.

>>9215489
>pain=good
>normies

This is actually the limit of the intelligence of teenagers

>>9215527
dude just psychoanalyze urself lmao xDDDDD

Don't you have a party to go to, sorority whore?

I don't fall for meme hypotheticals. State it free of '''''spiritual''''' ideology or fuck off.

>>9215538
I did that too. I asked the question two ways. How about you fuck off, seeing as you clearly are not interested in discussion.

>>9215509
>If you had the choice to be reincarnated into the time in which you developed all your relative faculties of adaptation, would you live in that time or a different time in which you can't possibly imagine what it would have been like to live in?

Yeah, great question anon

>>9215536
>he said normies think pain is absolutely bad so therefore he must think it's an absolute good
Fuck off normie

>>9215538
>>9215547
Completely missing the point, samefag.

>>9215531

If you want that to be the answer, then there you go.

So there you go, there's no way out, and you'll suffer for the rest of your life, and never find anything different.

>>9215546
>discussion is good
More pagan ideology.
>>9215554
Not same, sorry sorority whore.

Don't you have some vagina ethics paper to complete?

>>9215561
How are you not getting that I'm not that other anon? I just think (while we're doling out life advice) if your worldview lends itself to this much of a vapid arrogance then it needs a little fine tuning.

>>9215563
A aaah, this must be one of those Internet Trolls people have warned me about. A rare sighting!

>>9215525
If you don't care so much about that anon's problems, why do you keep spewing out Anthony Robbins-tier life hax as if they mean anything, and repeatedly going on in post after post about how nobody owes anybody any answers?

It seems you care a lot more than you pretend to

>>9215567
>other anon

>>9215580
>It seems you care a lot more than you pretend to

I do, but I'm pretty well at my limit.

>>9215549
who ever said pain was an absolute bad in the first place?

>>9215576
>omg fucking alt-right trump voter fucking conservative fucking body-shaming racist fuck fuck fuck ignorant fuck fuck

>>9215586
>pain = bad
Learn to read kid

>>9215583
Yes, as in you seem to be responding to everyone as if they have some big Answer to find, because someone else alluded to that earlier in the thread. Fucking hell...

>>9215588
Look honey, it's doing its weird faggot mating ritual!

>>9215595
>as if they have some big Answer to find

they do

>>9215602
What is the question again?

>>9215585
Good, because you've literally said nothing of value in this entire thread.

>>9215603

you tell me.

>>9215594
I was responding to this
>>9215549
>he said normies think pain is absolutely bad so therefore he must think it's an absolute good

>>9215611
Why? I'll give you a question and you'll say "find your own answer" as though you've somehow delivered a profound wisdom. A pointless transaction.

>>9215625
k.

>>9215613
equivalence implies an absolute in this situation and it was a response to op

>>9215611
really made me think

>>9215625

So basically, you're mad that others might have theirs, and you don't have yours? So they're obviously lying, or dumb, or fooling themselves, or just pretending?

It's not about how you don't have yours?

>>9215388
Hey man, you might be interested to read up on the history of agnosticism. Particularity the difference between weak and surfing agnosticism. The former seems to be psychologically unhealthy, while the latter is healthy.

>>9215628
don't really care if you think.

>>9215653
you seem to post an awful lot about not caring

>>9215658
you seem to post a lot about me

>>9215645
by surfing agnosticism, do you mean the analogy of the surfer who does not trust that the red sea will stay parted for moses, so he surfs on the waves? That's actually what I'm trying to do the most now, find things I can find enjoyment in while I'm kicking around here. Still, thanks, will look into the history.

>>9215625

So what upsets you is that the answer is idiotically simple, yet you can't do it?

>>9215663
likewise. But I never claimed to not care so vociferously like yourself. So why are you still here?

>>9215684
KEK, anon it was a stupid autocorrect I meant strong agnosticism. But now I will definitely look into surfing agnosticism.

>>9215695
>So why are you still here?

No real reason at all. And I'm cool with that.

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>>9215691
>you think the answer is simple
>you think you "have" it

>>9215645
No agnosticism is healthy.

>>9215712
>I'M TOTALLY COOL MAN, TOTALLY NONCHALANT, NOTHING TO SEE HERE

>>9215722
u mad?

>>9215719
Why do you think that?

>>9215726
Dishonesty.

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>>9215725
fucking epic bro!

>>9215733
How do you know agnostics are dishonest? You think people can't be authentic in their ignorance?

No one claims that suffering is good, just that it is intrinsic to life and you better learn to deal with it instead of giving up and complaining that life is miserable.

>>9215707
fuck i'm autistic... lol I was just referring to a few comics that have portrayed what I described, you can google them I'm sure

>>9215743
>ignorance
Every single agnostic believes in a great deal. They're unwitting tools of ideology.
>what do you believe
>science!
>why
>results
>why
>OMG SHUT UP YOU FUCKING CHRISTIAN
It's the position that is by definition pseudo-intellectual.

>>9215769
I'm sure there's a position somewhere in your post, but it's a obscure little dialogue you've got going there.

I would say that all the wonderful advances of science have been based mostly on at least methodological agnosticism.

>>9215769
I would call myself agnostic, and I don't identify with any of those things you wrote in greentext. Why are you assuming that all agnostics are the same, or that they all think Christians are stupid for having faith?

>>9215769
people who act like that tend to call themselves atheists though

this is a complex question. many religions have different views of suffering as a means to reach spiritual enlightenment.

eastern religion generally focuses on shedding material goods and desires as a means to reach spiritual enlightnment. this does not necessarily include aggressive forms of suffering like self-flagellation, but it is more of a withdrawn lifestyle with a focus away from the material and towards the spiritual and divine.

western religion focuses on suffering as a means of divine discipline, hence why it reaches such extremes like whipping and wearing burlap sacks instead of clothing.

the two different worlds have the same goal though: to cast away the material, the mundane, the profane world, and embrace a higher spiritual plane.

these are just religious and spiritual reasons for suffering being good though. as far as personal growth goes, adversity and suffering can be seen as challenging one's comfort zone and expanding it if you want to look at it that way. hardship produces what most see as positive qualities. humility, discipline, wisdom, those kinds of things.

>>9215790

well there's also the idea that suffering is inevitable in life, so you kind of have to get used to it.

>>9215795
also a really solid point, although this is usually ignored when hedonists argue that if you devour enough cupcakes and have enough orgies then you'll somehow be invulnerable to pain

>>9215806
My dick hurts and my belly aches, but I crave more cupcakes and sex... o no...

>>9215776
>methodological agnosticism
Presupposing pragmaticism is not 'agnostic.
>>9215780
You do, you just don't want to move your your le smarty position.
>>9215788
Not at all. An atheist is still more admirable than an agnostic.
>agnostic
I dont believe in nuffin except for these ideological constructs because
>atheist
I dont believe in god thats sdumb i believe in science and god is unfalsifiable

>>9215898
>Presupposing pragmaticism
That's not what I said, and not what I meant. It is agnosticism. (i.e., I do not know, so I need to test). If you knew, you would not test.

>>9215806

cupcake orgy...idea noted.

>>9215921
>test
Pragmaticism. You are neck-deep in ideological shit.

>>9215958
So says you, trying to change my ism to your own for some reason.

So what I get from this thread is that anon is mad that other people have found answers to suffering but he wallows on his own shit and cries instead of doing something to end it.

>>9216395
basically

>>9216395
Part that, part another anon being a pleb-tier buffoon who sounded like a parody of some California life coach faggot

>>9216395
>>9216459
>muh nihilism
>YOU'VE JUST GOT TO BELIEVE
>truth is a lie, noone is happy
>TRUTH IS OUT THERE FOR YOU, ANON, CARPE DIUM!
>I've tried everything
>you KNOW WHAT TO DO ANON, GO OUT THERE AND DO IT!
>sigh
>LIFE IS WHAT WE EACH MAKE OF IT
>I hate myself
>WIN WIN WIN!

>>9216481
pretty much, two teenagers being teenagers

>>9216481
you forgot to add in the part about the one anon posting 30 times about how much he didn't care and wouldn't leave until everybody knew how much he didn't care

>>9214953
>>Everyday heroes that translate their suffering into helping others and saving lives. It's beautiful honestly.
You are one blue pilled man. The best part is that all those people fail to get results from their actions, but they do not even see this.

why are you guys recapping?

who gives a shit?

>>9215339
>mostly existential suffering and constant feelings of meaninglessness that are not alleviated by forcing an arbitrary purpose onto one's life
ask yourself why you need meaning now, whereas you did not when your were a child
and why do you cling to meaning, if it makes you so sad
why do you prefer being sad rather than not caring about meaning like you were a child and be happier like you were a child

>>9216502
this is the after-show my dude

>>9216526

you basically just want them to come back.

>>9216530
i miss them :(

>>9216530

Or it's just the no-answers fag sameposting, hoping to lure his life coaches back in, because that was the most meaningful human contact he had in 18 months

>>9216510
retards don't worry about meaning either dummy, that doesn't mean i want to hit myself in the head until i'm retarded. i'm not >>9215339 tho

>>9216540
i don't know if anyone's that pathetic, even those 2

>>9216547

dude...it's /lit/

78% of people here are more pathetic than that.

>>9216530
Just because I like making fun of politicians doesn't mean I don't want them all to die. You don't have the Answer here man.

>>9216558
It's ok anon, you have the answer deep within yourself and don't know it!! Just channel your chi!

>>9216540
shut up Nietszche-lit

>>9216567
>why do people find meaning WAAH WAAH
>because they search inside themselves
>BUT I WANT YOU TO GIVE ME THE ANSWERS MUMMY :((((, MY LIFE SUCKS, I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING! YEAH, OF COURSE I'M NOT LYING!

>>9216589
There is no answer man.
If you thought that sounded pessimistic, that's your issue.

>why is suffering a good thing?

It's not. Everyone who says so is an emissary of the Demiurge.