I took a political alignment test (ethics, specifically) and

God damn, the more I read about his views the more surprised I am I haven't read him before

I'm having a hard time finding things we disagree on

What test did you take?

>>9177697
>100% with Hobbes

You must be a real sort of asshole. Do you have any friends at all?

>>9177699
http://www.selectsmart.com/PHILOSOPHY/
Heads up though, it's a terrible test

>>9177701
I have a few close friends and a partner, anon
Please don't be rude

>>9177645
Start with De Cive (On the Citizen in English), Cambridge Texts in Political Thought is that best edition. Then move onto his magnum opus Leviathan.

And yes, Hobbes is 10/10

>>9177732
Thank you, anon! Should I be expecting a lot of work reading these? I'm no stranger to dense work but I'm also an incredibly slow reader regardless of difficulty

The modern world STILL operates according to Hobbes' ideas.

You know what you must do, OP.

You must become the Leviathan.

You must become the State.

>>9177757
I promise you I will

>>9177738
In De Cive Hobbes uses a geometric method ala Descartes, which might be confusing at first but fairly clear once you get the hang of it.

>>9177703
>tfw got 100% St. Augustine
Although I wasn't trying very hard. Feel like I should sit down and actually think about those questions first.

Did Hobbes understand the significance of these quints?

>>9177703
Got 100% John Stuart Mill and 98% Ayn Rand

>>9177777
boo

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>>9177777

>>9177701
This.

Read your Greek, Roman, and English history. Especially read Thucydides. Hobbes translated it after all.

>>9177777
Probably not actually

>>9177774
>matching 100% with an astrologist who said that not really being all that crazy about the chick you're boffing perpetuates evil

I got Kant and im kinda sad about it

>>9177645
>>9177815
Post the link

>>9177825
>>9177703

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>check 'Doesn't matter/Dislike all answer choices' for every question
>mark all as 'High Priority'
>100% Thomas Aquinas

>>9177777
Well fuck.

>>9177841
This post made me laugh harder than it should have

>>9177645
I disagree with Hobbes on several things, but I still think he's great. Leviathan is definitely one of the best philosophical works in the English language.

>>9177703
>100% Kant and 100% Aquinas
Can both even be synthesised?

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>>9177645

>Hobbes

You are now aware that Thomas Hobbes is an anagram for SMASH THE BOOB

>Now I am about to take my last voyage, a great leap in the dark.

Best last words ever?

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>>9177938

>Implying most people SHOULDN'T listen to an arbitrary ruler

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>>9177703
based augustine

>>9177703
Kant, Aquinas.

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Augustine, Aristotle, Aquinas, kinda surprised me

>>9177703
>100% Aquinas
>0% Rousseau
Not bad

>>9177777
Beautiful

>>9177703
Augustine and Plato. Nice.

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Based Augustine.

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>>9177703
Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
Ayn Rand (84%)
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (77%)

Not familiar with Sartre. What does it mean?

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>>9177703
Yeah!

>>9178245
Kind of means you're a douchebag, honestly. Also:

>Ayn Rand
>philosopher
LOL

Are there a bunch of theists on /lit/ or can you land on Augustine and Aquinas just because of similar ethics

>>9178743

/lit/ is a Catholic board.

>>9178743
>>9178813
/lit/ is a Catholic Marxist board
t. protestant

>>9178743
Muslim :^)

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>100% Nietzsche
I tip my fedora to you lastmen

>>9177645
I did the "doesn't matter" answer for every single question and got 100℅ Thomas Aquinas....

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Uh.

>>9178845

Well, nothing matters but the face of God after all.

>>9178822

>Aristotle (100%)
>Jean-Paul Sartre (88%)
>Ayn Rand (85%)
>Thomas Aquinas (68%)
>Immanuel Kant (66%)
>John Stuart Mill (65%)
What sort of Absolutist relativistic abomination am I?

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>>9177777
holy shit, witnessed

>>9177703
Why did I get 100% Epicureans

>>9178122
same here, was not expecting this

>>9177701
Found the bluepilled Rosseau apologist.

>>9177645
Hobbes is a faggot

>m-muh social contract

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>>9177645

Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (100%)
William of Ockham (85%)
St. Augustine (84%)
Jean-Paul Sartre (82%)
David Hume (78%)

>>9177703
I got kant

U mad consequentialists? ?

>>9177967
And let me guess.... (you) are going to be the king/chief central planner in your authoritarian utopia??

>>9177703
It's a decent test.

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>Stoics
>Ayn Rand
>Sartre
>Spinoza

What did they mean by this??

>>9177645
>>9177703
>I took a political alignment test (ethics, specifically)
It's not a political test, it's an ethics test. Politics is a proper subset of ethics.

>>9177967
>>9179031
The best political system is limited government headed by a hereditary king while the economy is run by self-organised guilds and other forms of cooperatives. FIGHT ME

>Your top result is
Jean-Paul Sartre

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what does this mean lads?

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am I a cuck?

>>9179078
That you probably wanna read the Nicomachean Ethics. Aristotle inspired Aquinas after all.

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>>9177777

>>9179094
Yes, redpilled philosophers are Nietzsche, Rand and Hobbes. Those need to rank higher.

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Sartre as 100% match,

I like it because i'm currently very much into his works

Nice test 5/5

>>9179078
>>9179094
>>9178263
>>9178156
Jesus fucking shit /lit/, remember when you were a Marxist board? reading the greeks turned you into reactionary traditionalists.

>>9179107
Fuck offerino.

>>9179107
what's wrong with wanting to stop the moral decay of current western civilization brought by the (((elite)))?

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>>9177777
Fucking nice dude

>>9178942
>quoting literally the only thing he knows about Hobbes and dismissing it because he thinks it makes him sound intelligent

/lit/

>>9178245
Sartre is the ultimate boss. Check this for a short insight. https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/sartre/works/exist/sartre.htm

>>9179061
you're not wrong

the limits have to be a function of self-restraint though rather than a constitution. build trust to avoid problems related to sovereign debt etc. dont act capriciously.

>>9179122
I view myself politically as a capitalist/libertarian, but still 100% with Sartre.

What's wrong with me?

>>9179061
>limited government headed by a hereditary king while the economy is run by self-organised guilds and other forms of cooperatives
This is called Catholicism.

>>9179131
Honestly I think that Sartre's political views were not consequent with his ideas on man in general. He just wanted to be a communist comrade but his philosophy doesn't provide grounds for that.

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>>9178886
truly, there is a god

>>9177703
This test is shit. It gives me Aquineas 100%, Bentham and Spinoza.
Haven't read Aquineas, but I dislike Bentham, and think Spinoza is right but of lesser importance.

Meanwhile my favourite philosopher, Hume, has 20% of what I have, and yet I agree with most of his findings.

Either the test severely lacks the nuance required for philosophy, or the people who made it have completely misunderstood Hume.

>>9178143
How are we the only Platos?

>>9179167
And 34% William James! Ffs I love William James

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Bentham and Mill. Wasn't expecting that.

>>9179167
You can agree with a philosophic finding and not subscribe to it.

So this is what you get if you answer "Doesn't matter/dislike all above answers" for every question. I guess Aquinas was just on that next level ethics.

>>9179118
Stop projecting

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>>9179207

>>9179061
No

Mercantilism fucking sucked

>>9179184
I DO subscribe to Hume though, but then again I agree with Witt that many of philosophers' supposed differences are simply semantic squabbling and an unwillingness to understand each other.
Only one I really disagree with is Kant. and even then I don't think he's generally wrong, just inefficient in how he sees the world (same applies to Hegel)

>>9179138
That's the point.

And nobles approximate to bishops

>>9179232
And many academics subscribe to Marx while enjoying their umteenth bottle of champagne.

>>9179217
Why?
Most of the terrors of that age (Holy Roman Empire yeah?) were plague-induced. Can't really blame the political system for medical backwardness.

>>9179174
Plato was high for me but not first. I got Kant even though I btfo of the question about the categorical imperative. I think the test doesnt count 'new testament' answers towards Plato which is dumb.

>>9179241
Ah, now you've named a philosopher I objectively don't subscribe to. But Marx talks about a system that'd require violence to establish, you can subscribe to the belief that the system would be good, but decline the sacrifices necessary to establish it, that's perfectly consistent.

Got 100% with John Stuart Mills. Any suggestions?

>>9179241
>implying there's some kind of paradox here

Being a Marxist means you have specific set economic positions. Has nothing to do with whether you drink champagne or not.

Lol, Hobbes has that expression like his son just told him he identifies as a gay woman.

>>9179260
On liberty if you want a small booklet which outlines the basic principles of liberalism. Uti-something something if you want to get into his ethics.

>>9179260
Mills isn't really worth reading, along with Bentham they produced no works of high quality, they're mostly defined through their actions.

Just read Locke.

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>>9179270
All thinkers had that expression in that age. See: Gauss

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No idea I somehow aligned to Kant.

What is Ockam about anyways?

>>9177703
100% Aristotle

Pure intelligence flows through my veins.

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>>9177645
>>9179302
>100%

I would like to see the equation used to reach that result.

>>9177938
>against the arbitrary
You need to accept the arbitrary to an extent or else everyone's happiness including yours will be sacrificed

>hurr there's no such thing as borders and laws, those are just arbitrary social constructs
>hurr there's no free will so I dindu nothing

You need to allow yourself to give in to the arbitrary for the good of your comfort and the stability of a sytem

>>9179059
You're totally right, I meant philosophy but typed politics
I accidentally posted this thread to /fa/ first and I said "philosophy" in that thread

>>9177703
>Sartre (100%)
>Epicureans (84%)
>Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (78%)
>Jeremy Bentham (68%)
I'm illiterate when it comes to philosophy. Would someone tell me about myself?

>>9180241
it means you're immoral and disgusting (roughly)

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>>9177777
Oh my

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>>9180245
From what perspective do you say that? I see myself as a moral person

>>9180259
>>Sartre (100%)
You're only what you choose to be or, more exactly, only your deeds determine what you are. There's nothing above or behind or beyond your deeds.
>>Epicureans (84%)
The only good thing is pleasure, the only thing worth avoiding is pain.
>>Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (78%)
You're basically a lifeform whose ideas, morals etc. depend on how strong you are. A weak lifeform will feel guilt, will condemn pleasure, riches etc., because it regards life as some kind of illness ; a powerful lifeform will only try to gain power (roughly, again)
>>Jeremy Bentham (68%)
Damn I don't know this guy. He's an utilitarian, right ? Then the "right" thing to do should be determine by what improves global quantity of happiness within a society. (does he talk about quality of happiness too, or is it only Stuart Mill ? dunno)

>>9180293
In the Nietzsche part you were more than rough. Now youve made anon think that by lifting weights he can become the ubermensch.

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what does it mean

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>>9177777

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>>9179182
You pulled the lever, didn't you?

Guess what, that makes you a filthy murderer.

>>9180461
Lol
What a coward.

>>9177703
Thomas Aquinas (100%)
Aristotle (88%)

Catholic school taught me well.

>>9180293
I think only Mill separated happiness into higher and lower pleasures.

Bentham's famous quote is "pushpin is a good as poetry" Meaning playing overwatch all day and fapping to hentai is just as morally acceptable as reading a book.

>>9180461
better to be the murderer of one man than to be responsible for five deaths.

>>9177703
>Aquinas 100%
>St. Augustine 100%
>Plato 97%
Feels good being consistent.

>>9177703
>J.S. Mill (100%)
>Aristotle (80%)
>Ayn Rand (78%)
>Thomas Aquinas (72%)
>Epicurus (69%)

what a weird mix

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>>9177777

>>9177777
goddamn

I have Epicureans, Stoics, and Aquinas in my top 5 in that order
Wtf

>>9180461

The only ethical choice would be to throw yourself onto the tracks in hope of stopping the train.

>>9180537
The """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""ethical""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" choice is the one that will cause you the least amount of pain in the long term

>>9180544
>>9180506

What if it's a kid, and his parents and grandparents willing to save his life ?

>>9180606
Please elaborate more, I have no idea which people you're referencing

Plus I stand by my answer >>9180544

>>9180606
If they could convey that information to me, I'd let them die. I doubt I'd hear them over the approaching train though. If this situation isn't simply something you've happened upon suddenly it really defeats the point of the thought experiment, because you can talk to them and make a more informed decision.
t. 506

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>>9178245
wanna be friends?

>>9180241
you can read what their philosophy is by clicking somewhere in the results page you blind fool

>>9177703
>Ayn Rand 100%
I hate this

>>9180628
>it really defeats the point of the thought experiment
What was Philippa Foot's purpose by the way ? I can't assume that the experiment was invented to show that you better kill one man than be responsible of the death of 4.
(I also guess there can be a difference between "what I would do" and "what I think is fair".)

>>9180606
I mean what if there one person on one side is a young kid, and the several others on the other tracks are old people praising the kid's life more than their own ?

>100% Nietzsche
What does this mean about me?
Interestingly, I'm thinking of picking up Beyond Good and Evil, not read much philosophy before though.

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>>9177703
>http://www.selectsmart.com/PHILOSOPHY/
feel like an asshole now

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>100% Thomas Aquinas
I'm not really all that religious but my political and philosophical views are pretty much around there.
Replace God with Family/Human Spirit and that's basically me.

>>9177703
William of Ockham (100%)
Kant
Spinoza

Ye kind of what I expected, don't think this test is THAT bad.

>>9177703
>Plato 100%
Guess its time to kill myself.

>>9177703
Wtf i am Sartre now.

>>9177777
Mod plz.

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>>9180765
Confirmed autist.

Pic related is my list of results.

>>9180946
Me too.

Was a bit disappointed desu

>>9180738
It means youre either am edgy teenager, a psychopath, or a very talented individual.

>>9180506
>than to be responsible for five deaths.
but you're not responsible

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>tfw i am a meme and not even worthy of a specific philosopher

why even live

1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%) More Info
2. Thomas Aquinas (89%) More Info
3. Stoics (82%) More Info
4. Cynics (76%) More Info
5. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (69%) More Info
6. David Hume (64%) More Info
7. Benedictus Spinoza (62%) More Info
8. Thomas Hobbes (61%) More Info
9. St. Augustine (56%) More Info
10. Aristotle (54%) More Info
11. Epicureans (53%) More Info
12. Jeremy Bentham (47%) More Info
13. John Stuart Mill (42%) More Info
14. William of Ockham (42%) More Info
15. Immanuel Kant (40%) More Info
16. Plato (37%) More Info
17. Nel Noddings (35%) More Info
18. William James (33%)
19. Ayn Rand (28%) More Info
20. Prescriptivism (25%) More Info
21. Jean-Jacques Rousseau (0%)


all of this is wrong

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>100% Thomas Aquinas
>94% John Stuart Mill
>91% Jean-Paul Sartre

I am an atheist

>>9177645
>>9177703

This test annoyed me. I wanted to select several options on half of the questions. It's usually a mix of several things.

Just to mention the first question:
> MORAL STATEMENTS. Moral statements are primarily:
It is both:
>statements of the speaker's desire/emotion/opinion? (e.g. "Murder is wrong" means "I hate murder").
This is true on an individualist level, but these desires and opinions are informed by biological urges, the social zeitgeist, ideologies and social constructs, so
>statements of command (e.g. "Murder is wrong" means "I say: don't murder".
is also true.

>>9182521
why do you feel in a position to tell other what to do? are you the benchmark of morality?

>>9182524
Read again, I am not the one who tells people what is morally right.

>these desires and opinions are informed by biological urges, the social zeitgeist, ideologies and social constructs

>>9179256
>the violence workers of the world suffer everyday is fine, but a revolution is going too far

>>9182528
i completely agree with that statement. but i was referring to the second one. although, you have a point. if ((you)) say it's murder then you form society, which forma individual morality, which leads to a feeling of it being ((purely)) intrinsical. classic case of egg and hen. now what?

>>9182405
Lol
At least youre not as gay as rousseau.

>>9182560
>lol

;_;

i am now afraid to read the "punch a stoic" thread

>>9182564
Ha

1. David Hume (100%)
2. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
3. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (88%)
4. Ayn Rand (84%)
5. Nel Noddings (83%)
6. Cynics (79%)
7. Thomas Hobbes (77%)
8. Stoics (76%)
9. Aristotle (76%)
10. Plato (64%)
11. Thomas Aquinas (63%)
12. St. Augustine (57%)
13. Immanuel Kant (57%)
14. Jeremy Bentham (56%)
15. Benedictus Spinoza (51%)
16. John Stuart Mill (47%)
17. Epicureans (45%)
18. William of Ockham (43%)
19. Prescriptivism (15%)
20. William James (4%)
21. Jean-Jacques Rousseau (0%)

Certainly not what I would have guessed, but I'm happy to have Hume at number 1.

>>9182548
>classic case of egg and hen. now what?
I am not really making a judgement on it. That's just how I see morality getting constructed. At least in this point in time.

Morality evolves somewhat similar to hens, so that analogies is eerily accurate. Though people can also create completely new moral systems from scratch, to a varying degree of success, because what people accept is still limited by their biological urges, even if you somehow manage to scratch out the sociological factors.

>>9182573
>Nietzsche 88%
How did you accomplish such level of patricianhood, fellow human?

>>9182573
we have almost identical hume and nietzsche %.

hello my friend

>>9182589
How did you accomplish such levels of patricianhood, fellow human?

>>9182592
by being an aryan ünermensch ofc
plus simultaneously not an entitled cunt. which is a thin line

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A literal god.

>>9182630
i bow to you

i suspect you altered your answers on purpose to get that result

>>9182638
Nah, man

>>9182672
patrician

now what?

>>9177946
Underrated

>>9182682
Keep on living;)

>>9182708
wasted potential my man

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Nietzsche is a meme for insecure white manchildren.

>>9182711
Yeah i panicked

>>9182724
not very stoic from you

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now on to the godless-o-meter

http://selectsmart.com/nontheism/

>>9182729
I don't care.

>>9182741
top kek

>>9177645
i got thomas aquinas and plato as a close second.

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>>9182734
Wow this test sucks

>>9182758
just because you got 89% on being trans...

>>9182596
Oh

>>9177774
Same! All I know about him is that city of God sounds super boring and I don't want to read it.

>>9179107
fuck Marx and fuck communist people

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Give it to me straight, lit. How pleb am I?

>>9183099
Lots of plebeian vibration
coming from your general direction

>>9179107
Lol

>>9183099
If you want to become /lit/
take a look at what teh gud ol Greeks did.

>>9177703
Is there a test like this except not shitty?

>Nietzsche
>description says he believes in free will

How did they get him wrong so fast?

>Spinoza (100%)
>Mill (97%)
>Kant (90%)
>Sartre (83%)
...
>Hume (34%)

Oh.

>>9179078
>>9179094
>>9179302
>>9180644
>>9182405
>>9182573
>>9182458

>Jean-Jacques Rousseau (0%)

Thank fuck. It's time for the Social-Memetract to die as a philosophical concept.

>>9183287
They never really go away, they always pop up again one or two generations later.

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rate it up lads

>>9184110
Would punch

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What does it mean

>>9184212
Looks like you started with the Greeks, good job.

>>9184325
Funnily enough I haven't

>>9177703
My top three are:

John Stuart Mill
Epicureans
Jeremy Bentham

>>9177703
100% hobbes, 96%stoics, 92% sartre and 77% Aquinas. Did not expect this

>>9184437
Join me, my friend
There are social constructs to be made

>>9182717
Whatever makes you feel better. You should be embarrassed.

>>9182717
And yet he still appeared on your list

I'm curious about Augustine. I have read my Plato and Aristotle, is the Bible required?

This entire test is just St. Augustine propaganda

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>>9177777

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>jean paul sartre and stoicism at 100 and 94 respectively

What does this mean?

> 100 % Immanuel Kant and 92 % stoicism

Really wallops my walnuts

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>>9177777

>>9179340
me too
feels good

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>>9177777
You bastard

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wev i fucked up

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>>9177703
wew lad, this shit works.

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Did I do good?

This is fine and all, but real question here is:
What kind of a multiple are you?
http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=multiple

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>>9177703
>100% Stoic
Come the fuck at me

>>9177703
took the test twice
- from my personal perspective of morality
>Stoics/Nietzche/Aquinas

- from my perspective of what limits a state should impose
>Mill/Bentham/Aquinas

fucking catholic school get out of my subconscious

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>>9177703
Didn't expect these results.

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Tfw NOBODY is 100% Rousseau. Now Im curious as to what the hell was his morality.

>>9182638
I also got 100% Nietzsche despite never reading one of his books.

So, where do I start?

>>9189277
literally the only question that lends any weight to Rousseau is question 12, and it's if you support capital punishment

t. someone who just brute forced every question

also, the 5th and 6th options for question 15 don't align to anybody

>>9189346
the greeks

>>9189346
Beyond Good and Evil
and Twilight (which summarizes his philosophy).

>>9189277
>what the hell was his morality.
Imagine a guy who vapes, uses Mac and voted for Bernie.

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>>9177645
Am I cucked?

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>>9177703
How much of an asshole am I /lit/?

1. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (100%)
2. Ayn Rand (90%)
3. Jean-Paul Sartre (89%)
4. David Hume (88%)
5. Thomas Hobbes (78%)
6. John Stuart Mill (74%)
7. Epicureans (73%)
8. Aristotle (70%)
9. Immanuel Kant (60%)
10. Stoics (60%)
11. William of Ockham (59%)
12. Benedictus Spinoza (53%)
13. Thomas Aquinas (53%)
14. St. Augustine (52%)
15. Nel Noddings (44%)
16. Cynics (39%)
17. Prescriptivism (38%)
18. Jeremy Bentham (38%)
19. Plato (36%)
20. William James (16%)
21. Jean-Jacques Rousseau (0%)

What does this all say about me?

>>9184128
Something tells me that he wouldn't care

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>>9189514
That you should read >>9189353

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What does this mean?

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>>9189701
It means you will soon die of cancer.

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Damn, I got Jeremy Bentham as 100%.
Am I a liberal?

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>>9177703

This is pretty fucking funny, because I actually prefer Aristotle and Kant more.

>>9189366 : Am I cucked?

>> Respondent: No, Anon, for you have started with the Greeks successfully.