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Are there any books which might help improve one's rhetorics and oratory?
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>>9109151
Everything that isn't fantasy. Not even jesting.
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Aristotle's Rhetoric
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>>9109151
Listen to Trump's speeches
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>>9109158
This, and also
>a, by Andy Warhol
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Phaedrus
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>>9109151
Thucydides
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>>9109156
How exactly would that help?

>>9109157
Well duh. Thanks.

How accessible is it though? I'm not done with the Greeks yet.

>>9109158
But I'm not intersted in swindling a bunch of coal miners.

>>9109163
I'll look that up.

>>9109166
>>9109174
>More Greeks

Of course.

Thanks lads, keep em coming.
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>>9109537
I wasnt too clear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericles'_Funeral_Oration

In thucydides
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>>9109151
Cicero.
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Pliny the Younger
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>>9109151
Practice helps more than reading. My oratory skills are only good because i did Debate and Mock Trial in high school.
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>>9109151
1) Grammar books, so you can communicate [intelligently] to intelligent people because you "make sense."
2) Dictionary. So you don't present as a retard who can't spell dog (or can't tell the difference between z and s). And it's enjoyable to read a book not written by someone who uses the same adjectives or phrases, over and over and over again.
3) Books by intelligent people. Read many of these--fiction or non-fiction--to learn from their styles. It's impossible to avoid using phrases we've heard or read, so we may as well make use of it (as long as we don't quote long passages verbatim we're not whores).
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>>9109893
This is true as well. Gotta bite the bullet op.
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>>9109151

How To Speak, How to Listen
Mortimer Adler
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fallout 2 > fallout new vegas > fallout 1 > fallout 3 > fallout 4
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>>9109910
Well yeah, this is common sense stuff. Gotta work on building that vocabulary.

I was more interested in stuff that might help me present arguments in a more coherent way and keep my cool instead of just sperging out.

>>9109893
That's not really an option for me, l'm studying English in a third-world country and my university doesn't offer any extracurrical stuff like that. The closest l get to debating is "arguing" with people in my class about some generic topic ripped from the book of my basic English class.
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>>9110157

Check out the expat community there. There are possibly many native English speakers who would love to talk. I'm living the expat life in eastern europe and they have lots of get togethers to just talk.
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>tfw creepy monotone
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>>9109537
>But I'm not intersted in swindling a bunch of coal miners.
hate the man all you want but he's demonstrably effective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aFo_BV-UzI
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