Anyone here study post modern, feminist, marxist theory? I've

>>9032315
http://oxfordbibliographiesonline.com/

best source when you want to read defining works in a subject area.

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Is this "bait"?

>>9032527
Even if it is, I am constantly shocked at posters on this board lacking the ability to find decent source material in fields they want to study.

>>9032527
It's not bait, I'm serious. I just post on 4chan ironically because I think it's funny. I don't actually contain the hive mind mentality that most people here do. I usually align with more marxist, feminist, and post modern, nihilistic, atheist ideas. Except the one about pornography needing to be censored and freedom of speech censorship and stuff like that, I don't buy that stuff.
>>9032494
>>9032538
Thank you for this website for source material.

>>9032544
>the one about pornography needing to be censored
what is this 2005

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>>9032544
>It's not bait, I'm serious!!!
>I usually align with more marxist, feminist, and post modern, nihilistic, atheist ideas.

>>9032551
I was reading this book called postmodernism explained, and it mentioned these people named Dworkin and Mackinnen who wanted to censor pornography because it represents man controlling women violently or something, and pornography is just another form of language, and culture is formed by language, therefor language is a form of oppression and should be censored, or something. Dumb shit.

>they seem to really correspond to my way of thinking
Do you walk down the street and think "gee, I sure wish some coloured gentleman was copulating with my girlfriend right now"?

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>>9032565
This has nothing to do with what I just said :D

>>9032564
>Dworkin and Mackinnen
yeah and they're not exactly celebrated among the mainstream of current feminism
>Dumb shit
rapist

>>9032564
>>9032565
this.
>>9032574
He doesn't have to imagine it because he is busy watching Tryone's son while it happens.

>>9032582
Dworkin is pretty fringe and overtly radical but MacKinnen has some traction among certain circles.

>>9032544
After an extremely brief search, I think you should start here:

Bronner, Steven Eric. 2011. Critical theory: A very short introduction. Oxford and New York: Oxford Univ. Press.

>Written by one of the foremost scholars of Critical Theory and Western Marxism, this is probably the best place to begin for anyone who knows nothing about the Frankfurt School. Bronner succeeds in portraying clearly and succinctly the most important ideas of Critical Theory as well as the historical, social, political, and biographical force fields out of which it emerged. He also reflects astutely on how the tradition should be rethought in order to remain relevant today.


Tong, Rosemarie. Feminist Thought: A More Comprehensive Introduction. 3d ed. Boulder, CO: Westview, 2008.

>This introduction, suitable for undergraduates at all levels, offers comprehensive overviews of all the main positions in feminist (mainly political) thought and of some key feminist thinkers. It includes chapters on liberal, radical, and Marxist feminism as well as extended discussions of more recent positions such as postcolonial and psychoanalytic feminism.

You should get a gym subscription, read some Greeks and start taking some zinc supplements, maybe it's not too late for you.

>>9032598
>Tong, Rosemarie. Feminist Thought: A More Comprehensive Introduction
found this for 3.48 dollars and free shipping on abebooks. What a great website. Thanks.

>>9032601
this DESU

there is legit theory about this kinda stuff, just make sure you don't get mixed up in SJW studies

>>9032742
Recommendations? Btw, I don't get why people dislike BLM and feminism. I followed the amazing atheist and sargon of akkad for years, and then I finally realized that all the laughs and mockery they were pulling out of feminism was reactionary and sensationalist, and that really they were masquerading as the free think, skeptical and liberal side trying to demolish post modern thought, when really they were just trying to get money by bashing feminism and black lives matter and posing the fake boogyman of political correctness to make people more cynical of liberalism (which is what brought us where we are today, it's literally why we're not living in 400AD christian theocracy with witch trials.)

>>9032715
>>9032601
Would it encourage you to know that I actually follow my diet plan based off of a website called WHF (worlds healthiest foods) which gives in depth analysis to the benefits of every vitamin and mineral, and gives the full list of vitamins and minerals and nutrition of every whole natural food you can find in a grocery store, and gives charts based on vitamin and mineral of which foods are highest in those vitamins and minerals? I assure you my diet isn't lacking in any of that sort of stuff.

>>9032564
Isn't po-mo supposed to be influenced by relativism?

If you want to understand contemporary theory of gender you are required to read at least one book by Judith Butler or you won't know what anyone is talking about. People usually recommend gender trouble but this is because they're behind the times. What you should do instead is read the shorter (and earlier) essay "Performative Acts and Gender Constitution" and then read Bodies that Matter.

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>>9032574
>>9032558

jesus christ i feel like i went back in time to 2009. these fucking reaction photos are beautiful. thank you for this.

Watching /pol/ short-circuit at the thought what they consider postmodernism is actually inaccurate

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>>9032988
honestly im still happy. the internet used to be so disgustingly beautiful.

>>9032982
Seconded.

>>9032908
>400AD christian theocracy with witch trials
average_feminist_education.jpg

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>it's another lumping in marx with postmodern liberal faggotry episode

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>>9033020
so you wrote an entire paragraph for a one line reply
damn i feel so silly

higher education was a mistake

>>9033013
Foucault himself said that he bases his ideas on class based oppression.

>>9033036
Consider the following: you don't actually know the person that you're replying to, and the person you're replying to is not actually the person you think you're replying to. And besides the one trivial date which you pointed out, that doesn't falsify the rest of my statement. I believe this falls under the "fallacy fallacy" category. Either way, I'm disappointed that no one tried to deconstruct my whole statement, I'm left believing that what I said just can't be refuted by the people in this thread, because they don't actually know enough to refute my statement.

>>9032986
You're welcome Mr. Frog man. Can't remember when I pulled the tumblr baby image but I get most of my reaction photos from lit.

>>9033141
maybe if you want your opinions to be taken seriously you shouldn't include false statements

Lois Tyson - Critical Theory Today: A User-Friendly Guide

>>9032315
>really correspond to my way of thinking.
So this is what extreme comfort leads to?

>>9032315
Kys

>>9032908
>I followed the amazing atheist and sargon of akkad
Yeah if that was my frame of reference I'd think lamestream feminism was great too.

>>9034585
You realize they're vehement anti feminists, right? They just talk about stupid shit like Lacy Green and Anita Sarkeesian, but when you actually have a college educated feminist debate someone like Sargon of Akkad, like Christy Winters, you realize that the "feminism" he's talking about is sensationalism, based on feminism of internet circles like tumblr, and not based on Academic versions of what feminism is. I realize that I learned nothing about what feminism actually is from people like Sargon of Akkad, which is why I stopped being an embarrassing fool and thinking that feminism was actually bad. After I kicked the old habit of watching misinformation masquerading as enlightened skeptical liberal minded truth, like Sargon and TJ, I found another channel shortly thereafter which really red pilled me and made me see that I was living inside a virtual reality; I found Contrapoints. Best youtube channel ever. Crack open your shell of reality, watch Contrapoints.

>>9034600
>You realize they're vehement anti feminists, right?
Yes. What I don't understand is what prompt you to ask this.

i literally cannot think of any area of study more boring and useless than "feminist theory"

>>9032315

Echochambers are all the rage these days.

>>9034600
Let me start by saying that faggot e-celebs like Sargon don't interest me at all, so I'm not shilling here. But from what I understand Sargon is basically a jokey partisan pundit, and from what little I've heard of him talking about feminism (mostly from that Jontron thing), he's basically just giving the standard SJW caricature of it. Which is that it's reductvist and detached from reality in its postmodern hermeneutic of universal suspicion and structural overdeterminations.

This is basically true. "Academic feminists" are almost entirely nutjobs with shitty epistemologies that they blindly follow, whether it's psychoanalysis or some mutilated version of Foucault. They are dogmatists within tiny little narrow areas of stereotyped theory, that can't even be approached or read by theorists of the source theory more generally.

There are three types of academic feminists I've encountered:

1. Ordinary scholars who happen to do scholarship with decent epistemological frameworks but for feminist reasons. This is mostly an older generation of historians and such, e.g. someone who does more histories of ordinary women's lives because she feels traditional history has been written from a male elite perspective. Joan Wallace Scott is a good example. Many of these still use theory, like cultural anthro or Foucault, but it will be in the way that any scholar of their field uses theory, as subordinate to the general inquiry.

2. Theorywhores like Butler who aren't even good at theory, but parcel out little areas of scholarship where they can at least lord over their fellow incompetent women. Butler is a fucking hack cultist and no one will ever study her outside of her cult.

3. Gender studies types. They aren't real scholars, so they don't do #1, and they are too stupid or immune to cults to be #2, so they just get a BA in Queer Theory and then get a 9-5 job. They still use jargon but it's stuff that can be safely learned by mediocre students from textbooks. Nothing complex.

#2 is the only one that would apply to this thread, really, and I can assure you it's just about as bad as Sargon lets on. And I say this as someone fundamentally sympathetic to statements like "HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED THAT THE INSTITUTION OF PAVED ROADS IS ACTUALLY A FORM OF RAPE?" because I like grandiose structural theories of how everything sucks.

Don't get me wrong, the thrust of what #2 is saying is often correct on some irrecoverable architectonic level. But nearly every single one of them is just a Kristeva-worshiping fraud. Academic feminism is a quarantined daycare centre for crazy crying bitches, and it actually smothers the possibility of good feminist philosophy.

I dunno if this post was a troll but whatever.

>>9032494
>African American Studies
>African Studies
>Buddhism
>Chinese Studies
>Childhood Studies (?)
>Islamic Studies
>Jewish Studies
>Latin American Studies
>Latino Studies

>no German/French Studies
>no European ex United Kingdom Studies

When will this end?

>>9034960
Those are major subjects in university, they're just not sharing them.

>>9032544
the post-modernists opposed Marxism though.

They saw its explanations as overly totalizing. Stop speaking in buzzwords.

>>9034600
>contrapoints
Ah so you're the shill with purple text thread gotcha

>>9032908
>it's literally why we're not living in 400AD christian theocracy with witch trials
>christian theocracy with witch trials
>400 AD

>>9034969
I hope that's true.

>>9034960
If you look up the United Kingdom on that you get about 5000 different fields.

>>9032908
>400AD christian theocracy with witch trials

Thats some shit history bro

>>9034974

Are you implying that English, German and French literature are not massive university cashcows? Or that no one is studying European and American history anymore because African American studies are out there?
I want /pol/ to leave.

>>9034718
#1 are based though.

>>9034960
To be kinda fair Englit is basically UK studies if your at a decent university.

>>9034989
I wonder why there are obscure and irrelevant fields while there's no mention of widely studied and more important cultures.

>>9035010
Why something like “Latino Studies”, then?

>>9035019
>I wonder why there are obscure and irrelevant fields while there's no mention of widely studied and more important cultures.

Probably because it is already easy enough to find informations about fucking english literature. Regardless, I'm sure that you will find lots of resources about it too on that site.

>Why something like “Latino Studies”, then?
Why not? Why is Latino Studies something that should be criticized?
Your prejudices are evident.

>>9032315
>post modern
>feminist
>marxist theory
I dont believe you know what any of these words mean

>>9035068
>prejudices
I'm sending over jamal to fuck your wife