In this thread I will post quotations narrating the life of Joseph

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On his birth

>"He began his life story thus:" Born on October 29, 1897, in Rheydt, at that time an up-and-coming little industrial town on the lower Rhine near Dusseldorf and not far from Cologne."

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On Joseph's portrait of his father

>"Conceding grudgingly that his father would in all likelihood go to Heaven, Joseph would write: 'I just can't understand why Mother married the old miser.' He painted a picture of his father lying in bed three-quarters of the day, then reading papers, drinking beer, smoking and cursing his wife, who had already been about her housework since six A.M."

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On Joseph's attitude towards his mother

>"His sympathies were all with her. 'I owe her all that I am,' he once wrote; and he remained beholden to her all his life. He had his mother's astute features-the face perceptibly flattened at each side, the nose slightly hooked, the upper front teeth protruding"


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On Joseph's sickly youth

>" He remembered his sickly earliest years only dimly. He recalled [...] a bout of pneumonia which he only barely survived. He was always a little mite of a fellow. Even in full manhood he would weigh less than one hundred pounds."

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On Katherina Goebbels praying for her young son

>"in his childhood, there seemed to be nothing she could do for him but pray. Leading him by the hand, she took him to church constantly and, kneeling beside him, she implored the Heavenly Father to give him strength to endure the burden of his physical weakness and his undeveloped body."

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On young Joseph as a shut-in

>"It was obvious to him that his condition was a worry to his parents, and from his early childhood a seam of self-doubt was deposited in his nature. He shut himself away in his little attic room with its sloping ceiling and its single window looking [...] down into a cramped and gloomy courtyard at the back of the house."

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>>9031886
I love this thread and the guy posting this stuff. I know you're the dude that made this kinda thread about the Unabomber and you're awesome.

I wish I had that thread saved somewhere.

>>9031895
>this Oedipus complex

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On Joseph's mental torment as a young boy

>"Bathing little Joseph his mother often found the weals on his back caused by one particularly sadistic teacher's cane. Goebbels was a stubborn and conceited boy. Fifteen or twenty years later he would reveal [...] how his mental turmoil both delighted and tormented him. 'Earlier,' he wrote, 'when Saturday came and the afternoon yawned ahead of me, there was no restraining me. The whole of the past week with all its childish horrors weighed down upon my soul. I seized my prayer book and betook myself to church; and I contemplated all the good and the bad that the week had brought me, and then I went to the priest and confessed everything that was troubling my soul.'"

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On Joseph's medical issues as a young boy

>"When he was about seven, a medical disaster befell him which would change his life. 'I see before me,' he would reminisce, 'a Sunday walk [...]. The next day, on the sofa, I had an attack of my old foot pains. Mother was at the washtub. Screams. I was in agony. The masseur, Mr. Schiering. Prolonged treatment. Crippled for rest of my life. Examined at Bonn university clinic. Much shrugging of shoulders. My youth from then on [...] somewhat joyless.' [...] It defied all attempts at surgical remedy; had the deformation occurred at birth, when the bones are soft, it would have been relatively easy to manipulate them back into the right alignment. Perhaps he acquired it from osteomyelitis (a bone marrow inflammation) or from infantile paralysis."

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On Joseph's early interest in literature

>"Like other children who for one reason or another cannot follow the rough, gregarious life of boys their own age, he took to reading very early on. [...] A new energy was born in him, the energy to read voraciously, precociously. Neither his parents nor his teachers offered him much guidance. As soon as school was over [...] he shut himself away in his room and read."

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>>9032026
I too appreciate this thread and would love to read the unabomber one.

You're awesome OP

>>9031886
If Goebbels was born today he would post on 4chan desu

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>>9032081
>>9032026
I will post the list of threads similar to this one, along with sources, at the end if that's ok.
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On young Joseph's intention to develop his intellect to prove his worth

>"When he was ten they operated on his deformed foot. [...] The operation left the pain and deformity worse than before. But his Aunt Christine brought him some fairy tales to read, and thus he discovered in reading a world of silent friends that could not taunt or ridicule. When he returned to his mansard room he began to devour every book and encyclopedia that he could lay his hands on. He would show them: the brain, if properly prepared and used, could outwit the brawniest physique."

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On Joseph's first years in highschool

>"The other boys at the Gymnasium in Rheydt's Augusta Strasse, which he entered at Easter 1908, regarded him as a sneak and know-all. He ingratiated himself with teachers, particularly with the scripture teacher Father Johannes Mollen, by telling on his truant comrades. 'My comrades,' he would confess, 'never liked me, except for Richard Flisges.'"

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On Joseph's academic ability

>"At first he was lazy and apathetic, numbed by the realization of his physical deformity. Then he overcompensated, and later he was never far from the top of the class. His love of Latin came falteringly at first, then in full flood. With biting irony and sarcasm Christian Voss tutored him in German literature [...] His agile brain enabled him to tackle everything, his essays attracted scowls of envy from his fellow pupils."

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>>9032091
That's great, please do.

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On Joseph's early school experience

>"This schoolboy with a large, intelligent cranium, a puny, underdeveloped body and a club foot lived out his childhood to a chorus of catcalls, jeers and ridicule. It was, he later accepted, 'one of the seminal episodes of my childhood. I became lonely and eccentric. Perhaps this was why I was everybody's darling at home.' He learned how cruel children could be. 'I could say a thing or two about that,' he would sigh in his diary, aged twenty-six. Each creature, he now saw, had to struggle for survival in its own way"

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On young Joseph's relationship with his classmates

>"He was a good scholar and often top of the form, but few liked him, not even the men whose job it was to teach him. [...] Had Joseph not been a crippled, [his classmates] Prang confessed, he would have joined with the other boys to beat the stuffing out of him."

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On Joseph's nickname at school

>"They nicknamed him Ulex after Ulysses, the sly one. Goebbels evidently liked this nickname, which stayed with him during his adolescence."

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On Joseph's first attempt at poetry during his early teens

>"Herbert Lennartz, son of his father's boss, died after a minor operation leaving Goebbels grieved and shocked. It moved him to compose his first poem ('Why did you have to part from me so soon?')"

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On thirteen-year-old Joseph's love of Wagner

> At age thirteen he saw Richard Wagner's majestic opera 'Tannhauser' and was inspired by the romantic dive and sweep of the master's music"

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On the death of Joseph's younger sister

>"When Joseph's little sister Elisabeth died in 1915 they all knelt her death-bed and held hands and prayed as a family together for her soul. Joseph composed another poem for her, 'Sleep, baby, sleep.'"

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>>9032148
Sad!

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On young Joseph's sexual longing and frustrations

>"Joseph Goebbels reaches puberty at about thirteen. But given his later reputation is it worth emphasising that he will be thirty-three before he first has sexual intercourse with a woman. For the intervening twenty years this brilliant but celibate cripple's life will be a trail of temptations, near-seductions, and sexual rebuffs etched into his memory"

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On the crushes of young Joseph

>"The sexual arousal that he first detects towards this mature female returns when he is fifteen. He harbours secret crushes on women like Frau Lennartz, the factory owner's wife. [...] All of his pals have girlfriends-Hompesch has one enticingly called Maria Jungbluth. Goebbels however senses only a 'dark yearning' as Eros awakes in him."

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On 16-Year-Old Joseph being rejected for service during WW1

>"Among those who queued as volunteers was Joseph, hoping his spirited response to the emergency would be admired. No doubt the others laughed at the idea. In fact, the Army doctor merely glanced at the diminutive and stooping body in front of him and rejected Joseph outright [...] without even bothering to examine him. The boy returned home and locked himself in his room. For a whole day and night he sobbed like a small child. [...] For two days he would speak to no one."

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"n-no, I just have something in my eye is all."

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On adolescent Joseph's nihilistic phase

>"Goebbels [...] in company with his friend passed through a phase of nihilism which left a destructive adolescent element in his nature which he never outgrew. In later life he would frequently act with the petulant cruelty of a very young man determined to avenge himself on a society that seems to him insufficiently perfect for his taste"

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On teenage Joseph not knowing where his future lay

>"But what was to become of him now? The priesthood? Goebbels inclined briefly toward medicine, but Voss, his teacher, persuaded him that his real talents lay in literature. Whichever the subject, the university at Bonn it would be."

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On Joseph being asked to provide a farewell speech upon graduating highschool

>"Prang remembers this speech to have been very stilted and pompous, and the headmaster, who did not like Goebbels because of his supercilious manner at school, remarked afterward that one thing at least was certain: Joseph Goebbels would never make an orator!"

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Literally /ourguy/

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Why is this all so dramatic to me when I didn't have friends or gf either

why am I in this thread

why am I on 4chan

fucking monkey existence

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On Joseph's early university experience

>"He was to study philology, Latin, and history. Desperately lonely, he lodged in a cold bare room. His aspirations were overshadowed by hunger, cold, fatigue, and ill-health"

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On Joseph's one good friend at university

>"He had made one good friend in the law student Karlheinz Kolsch however [...] 'Pille' Kolsch, as he was known, remained his foppish, loud-voiced, jovial, staunch friend and rival long after their careers had drifted apart. With his modish headgear and yellow gloves, Kolsch became his first role-model."

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On poverty affecting his university studies

>"His funds ran out [...] He was keen to continue at university, but his father could put up only fifty marks per month; Joseph earned a little more by tutoring. He frittered away that summer with Lene on vacation, spending at least one chaste night with her on her sofa Rheindahlen, and committing to his memory that she 'stayed pure'. He left a number of unpaid bills at Bonn, which his father settled."

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On Joseph's university studies

>"At Bonn he studied under Adolf Dyroff, professor of philosophy. He attended the literary seminars of Professor Berthold Lietzmann, and wrote well-regarded essays for Professor Carl Enders on the youthful drama fragments of Johann Wolfgang Goethe"

>>9031886
are you the anon who did the Ted threads?

W-would Goebbels-kun be my friend?

>>9032221
OP here. Yes, links to other threads here:

Adolf Hitler: http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/86086584/

Ted Kaczynski: http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/104495239/

Anders Breivik: http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/87875112/

William Cottrell: https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/30930679

Adam Lanza: https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/24985710/

There is also one on Elliot Rodger, Christopher Harper-Mercer and maybe one or two minor ones.

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On Joseph's affection for Anka Stalherm

>"Female students are in 1918 still rarities at German universities, and Anka is a rarity among these. She is reading economics. Her eyes glitter blue-green, she wears her blonde hair hair long with a few strands caught up in a knot on top; her ankles are slim, and her legs are rumoured to be equally divine. She is twenty-three, two years older than Goebbels. With her Ursuline convent education in Germany and England behind her, she has inherited class, beauty, and wealth as well"

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On Joseph and Anka's developing relationship

>"Since Anka is a regular at Professor Hermann Thiersch's seminars on classical archeology, Goebbels signs on for [...] these three-hour lectures. And the miracle happens: Anka Stalherm, this goddess of the mysterious grey-green eyes, she who is coveted by half the males at Freiburg university, saves her smiles for when he walks in, or so it seems to him. She is fascinated by this swift intellect. They go out [...] for strolls up Freiburg's Castle Hill or into the Black Forest. He serenades Anka on a rented piano, and one precious night he sleeps under the same Black Forest roof as her. The [...] students tour the sleepy towns along the shores of Lake Constance, with Goebbels dreamy-eyed in blissful anticipation. At Ravensburg he plays the huge cathedral organ for them."

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On Joseph's continued pursuit of Anka

>" Every detail of her coquettishness remains implanted in his memory-the cigarettes she deftly filches from him, his letter of reproach, her silent rapture when Goebbels reads out his latest epic, his private glee at Pille's jealous suffering, and their reading of Gerhard Hauptmann's 'The Sunken Bell' together in her room, where Goebbels serenades her on the piano but ascertains that she is, alas, 'chastity itself.'"

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>>9032232
Why do you do these threads? Are you interested in murderers?

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>>9032232
mother

fucker

>>9032236
OP probably wants to shoot up a school

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>>9032236
OP here. I'm interested in "extreme" individuals who are dismissed as evil, insane and so on. Serial killers, rapists and so on don't interest me at all. I have also researched Goethe, Munch, Salinger, and others who are not criminals.
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On Joseph's continued admiration for Wagner

>" He reads from Richard Wagner's diaries, he plays the Master's music to his pals, and he commends to Anka one entry which touches, he says, on one bone of contention existing between them. Her mother is dismayed that they are still liaising; once, Anka asks if his mother is upset too."

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On Anka's departure from university

>" As she leaves Freiburg at the end of July 1918 after one last night of stifled passion, he visits their old haunts. He sits in the forest hut high above the university city, listening to the rain beating on its roof, and imagines himself all alone on earth. He writes her romantic messages. [...] He reminds her of their first hour together, reading the poetry of Theodor Storm. He will miss her, with her dreamy eyes and lustrous golden hair. [...] After she has left the little Castle Hill boarding house, clutching an armful of roses he has bought her, he returns to that meadow and lies all evening thinking about her until far into the night. The next day there is a card from her-she still has his roses in her arms. 'How I envy those roses,' he writes back, the flattery flowing freely from his pen"

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On Joseph's growing political awareness

>"Under the influence of Flisges and his own study of Dostoievsky Goebbels became politically aware. He was now twenty-two and leaning politically to the left"

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On the appeal of Socialism to Joseph

>"When the student Anton Count von Arco-Valley was sentenced for the assassination of the extreme leftwing prime minister of Bavaria Kurt Eisner, Goebbels became curious about socialism. Being as yet more of a literary than political inclination he explored his ideas in a drama, scribbled in an exercise book, entitled 'The Working Classes' Struggle.'"

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>>9032232
hey anon, your threads are always good shit. what ideologies do you identify with, if any?

>>9032247
What about the Moors murders?

Thank you, anon, this is extremely interesting to read.

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>>9032250
OP here. I'm not sure what you mean by that.
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On Joseph’s play causing problems with his religious teachers

>"Joseph beavers away on [his play] ‘Judas.’Anka incautiously shows it around and in no time the clergy of Rheydt are asking him angry questions about it. On August 27 he is summoned to his former scripture teacher Father Moller, who draws his attention to the pernicious nature of such writings. ‘I was so furious I would have torn "Judas" into a thousand shreds if I had had it with me,’ writes Goebbels. The priest requires him to undertake to destroy even his own copy of the script. Has all his toil been for nothing? ‘What shall I do?’ he appeals to Anka. ‘I am in despair.’
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On Joseph’s doctorate thesis at the University of Heidelberg

>"He now started work on his doctorate. His subject was an examination of the work of Wilhelm von Schultz, sub-titled ‘A Contribution to the History of the Romantic Drama.’ Goebbels was later to withdraw the thesis from the University archives and retitle it ‘The Spiritual and Political Undercurrents of the Early Romantics’."
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On Joseph’s studies in Munich

>"At Munich he studies under the Swiss art historian, Professor Heinrich Wölfflin; he studies music under Professor Hermann Ludwig Baron von der Pfordten and Catholic theology under Professor Joseph Schnitzer. But his real intellectual nourishment is from what he takes in at the galleries and museums—the paintings of Arnold Böckling, of Carl Spitzweg, and of Anselm Feuerbach. He reads voraciously, devouring Sophocles’ drama ‘Antigone,’ August Strindberg’s ‘The Red Room,’ Thomas Mann’s ‘Death in Venice,’ and assorted works by Henrik Ibsen and Leo Tolstoy"

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>>9032257
OP here. I'm not interested in people like that sorry.
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Note: If it seems like the quotations are unclear here, it's because Joseph attended various universities.
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On Joseph's loyalty to the lower orders

>"One afternoon in 1919 there is a knock at his door in Freiburg and [childhood friend] Richard Flisges walks in, rain dripping from his demob. trenchcoat. An ex-lieutenant, he is back from the wars, decorated and embittered, his arm in a sling. He has failed the university entrance examination and will now turn into a pacifist and agitator against the established order of things. Goebbels listens eagerly to this rootless, ill-educated, disillusioned soldier. He has always had a respect for the lower orders. Writing to Willy Zilles in 1915 he has discounted the poet Horace's theme of odi profanum vulgus et arceo ('I hate the vulgar mob and keep them at a distance') preferring instead the romantic poet Wilhelm Raabe's motif: Hab' acht auf die Gassen! ('Pay heed to the street!')"

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On Joseph's growing interest in social and political matters

>"while Goebbels attends the seminars on Goethe and on the era of Sturm und Drang he begins to think more about the social and political issues scarring the defeated Germany. In the evenings he argues about God; he is beginning to have serious doubts about his religious beliefs."

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On Joseph's poverty and religious dilemma

>"Still poised on an awkward threshold between God and profanity, he recalled four years later his mental turmoil, his yearning for God, his crushing poverty, and Anka's inability to help. Again he pawned his watch and set off, alone, for home."

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On an overview of Joseph's life during his early twenties

>"He was very slight in build and his shoulders stooped steeply. He was little more than five feet tall and his weight was in the region of a hundred pounds. He walked with an unmistakable limp, but had become adept at disguising it. He had little money for either food or clothes, so he had to develop his social assets through the conscious development of his personality. [...] In no sense was he either by appearance or mentality the popular conception of an 'Aryan' German. He was more Celtic or Romantic in appearance."

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On Joseph spending the Christmas of 1919 alone

>"That Christmas he found himself alone in Munich, prevented by the Allied occupation authorities from joining his family at Rheydt for the festivities. He stayed in the Bavarian capital, as Wagner's 'Ring' cycle was to be performed at the National Theatre; he found himself strolling through the cobbled, snowswept streets on Christmas eve, entirely deserted save for a police constable wrapped to the ears against the cold. From somewhere came the sound of children singing; and then of a piano- Schubert, the melodies borne through the air, he would later write, as though on angels' hands. 'I know not how long I stood there,' he wrote. 'Only that I sat that evening in a quiet, dark corner of the church of Our Lady and celebrated Christmas alone, as though in a dream."

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>>9032232
You're the man

>>9032247
PLEASE DO SALINGER

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On Joseph’s letters to Anka

>”During the summer vacation he exchanges scores of letters with Anka, sometimes twice a day. His letters to her reveal a young man still physically frail and lonely; they suggest that he has elected to enter the Church. Romancing Anka occupies every other waking hour. His catchword is wahnsinnig—crazy: that is what he is, he confesses, about her. He scrawls that word in the corner of letters, or leaves it unfinished just as waaa—“

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On Anka’s letter to Joseph

>” Of her solely maternal interest in him there seems no doubt. ‘Do you know what I should like now?’, she writes to the pintsized student Goebbels. ‘Just to stroke my fingers through your hair and clasp you so tight that you look quite desperate.’”

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On Joseph’s letter to Anka after she decides to study close to him in Wurzburg

>” Ecstatic that she is so close by, he sends her a note as soon as he settles in, perhaps justifying his lack of physical ardour. ‘If love is only in the mind,’ he explains, ‘it might be called platonic; if only physical, it is frivolous, ugly, un-beautiful. It is the noble union of these two factors that creates the ideal love.’”

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On a further exchange of letters between the couple

>” More letters go to Anka. He writes her the kind of letter that romantic females long to receive. In her replies she frets about his frailty, and swears undying love. ‘I hope you’ve gone to bed long ago,’ she writes in one, ‘and are dreaming that I am pressing the trend’rest kiss upon your forehead to dispel your gloomy thoughts for all eternity.’ For the first time in his life he misses the carol service on Christmas Eve; he spends the hours in Anka’s room, and watches entranced as she kneels at her bedside to say her prayers. He sleeps in her chaste embrace—but that is all.”

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>>9032278
Why does he look like a Jew?

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>>9032232
Your forgot ol Timmy.

http://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/30789031/#30789031

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On Anka's first betrayal of Joseph

>"That May of 1919 Anka returns to Freiburg. Kolsch is down there too. Goebbels hurries to join them. A French Negro soldier lets him through the checkpoint at Ludwigshafen. Anka seems cooler, and confesses one morning that she has slept with Kolsch. Goebbels forgives her and kisses away the tears of contrition welling in her eyes."

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On Anka betraying Joseph again and his final letter to her

>"When he next sees her it will be Whitsun. He reads from [his play] 'The Seed' to her, but she, the wealthy miller's daughter, is alienated by its leftwing political message. The rift widens. She begins to see his close friend Theo Geitmann. Chagrined, he returns [her] bracelet. He offers her formal engagement; she turns him down. After one unsatisfactory night with him on the chaiselongue and her in bed he pencils a four-page letter of farewell in which he calls out her name appealingly twenty-four times, a romantic torrent of pleas to return to his embrace. 'Is it over really? I have known only you, you were the whole world to me, the most beautiful world that could ever be conceived, and I have lost it-lost it through my own fault.' Perhaps this last night has been a turning point for them both. 'Do you think you'll ever find another who can love you so?' he asks [...]"

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On Anka's effect on Joseph's attitude towards women

>"'Anka, thou murderess!' he reproaches her memory, and eight years later her betrayal will still fester in his mind. 'Anka walked out on me,' he will write. 'And my entire relationship to women has suffered ever since.'"

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>>9032349
>double-cucked

that's brutal

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>>9032347
OP here. I intend to research him further and post a better thread. Also, a superior version of the McVeigh thread is here: http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/85794278/
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On Joseph’s growing literary interests

> At Würzburg his studying begins in earnest. He ploughs through ‘Crime and Punishment,’ he regularly attends the seminars on ancient and modern history, and on German literature”

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On the books Joseph read during his early twenties

>”His reading […] included intensive engagement with secondary literature on German studies as well as Tolstoy, Goethe, Maeterlinck, Lessing, George, Kalidasa, Cervantes, Wedekind, Kleist, Holderlin, and Ibsen. However, there were also Hans Sachs and the Nibelungenlied, the Early New High Germany writer Johann Baptist Fischer German-speaking authors […] included Spee von Langefeld, Abraham a Sancta Clara, Heinrich Wilhelm von Gerstenberg, Martin Opitz, Friedrich von Lagau,, and Paul Fleming as well as […] Wilhelm Heinrich Wackenroder.”

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OP you should consider doing one on G. Perlman

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On Joseph leaving the church and writing a novel

>”While at Freiburg university in 1919 Joseph Goebbels turned his back on the Catholic church. Perhaps the suffocating Catholicism of the diocesan city of Würzburg had contributed to his restlessness. He was certainly deeply troubled by the nature of God and what he saw as the falsification of the true faith by idolatrous priests. In his novel ‘Michael’ he allowed his hero to brood upon this dilemma. The result was much portentous, empty rhetoric except for the one proposition: ‘It hardly matters what we believe in, so long as we believe in something’— the essence of the later Joseph Goebbels.”

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On Joseph’s novel ‘Michael’

>”Michael is barely thirty thousand words in length, and is therefore in effect a long short-story. Goebbels writes in the first person, and uses his favourite literary form, the diary. He had kept a personal diary from the age of twelve”

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On the protagonist of ‘Michael’ as a reflection of Joseph

>”Out of the Goebbels-image within the character of Michael comes the desire to write, inspired by […] the spirit of Dostoevsky […] Like Dostoevsky he becomes possessed, “given to phantasma”, suffering in “creative loneliness”.

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On the conclusion of Joseph’s novel

>”[the protagonist] is killed in an accident and the book concludes with a letter written by a miner to Hertha Holk telling her that Michael died with a smile and that in his copy of Nietzsche’s Zarathustra he had marked the passage: “Many die too late and some too early. Strangely still sound the lessons: Die at the right time!””

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>>9032402
Proof that psueds have been misinterpreting Nietzsche for hundreds of years

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>>9032385
OP here. That has been suggested before. If I had the time I'd dedicate more of it to doing this sort of thing. Alas.
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On Anka's husband threatening Joseph and Joseph's response

>"Since Mumme had now threatened legal sanctions if he did not stop pestering Anka Stalherm, Goebbels took his revenge by rewriting [his novel] 'Michael' to make the heroine suffer as much despair as he."

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On Joseph's nervous collapse and intention to commit suicide

>"Spending the autumn break at home he reads Dostoyevsky's 'The Brothers Karamazov,' and suffers a nervous collapse. He pens a testament, dated October 1, 1920 in which he [...] wills his poetry and novella to Flisges and his mother. 'Miss Anka Stalherm is to be urged to burn my letters. May she be happy and not brood upon my death.' The final sentences hint unmistakeably at suicide: 'I depart gladly from a life which has become just hell for me.' He folds this into a small envelope, but takes no further action"

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On Joseph’s attempt to publish poetry

>”During his stay in Freiburg he had tried to publish a collection of poetry, but the venture failed because of the substantial subside the publishers had asked him to contribute in advance.”

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Do one on Junger.

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On the four years after Joseph left university

>"for the next four years he remained perforce a nihilist doing nothing. To the quiet despair of his parents he squandered the pittance that he did earn from his meagre writings or tutoring. Germany meanwhile slithered into economic chaos [...] Goebbels neither noticed, nor protested, nor cared. His head was in the clouds. [...] he lay on his bed at home and drank in Oswald Spengler's writings on the decline of the west instead"

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On Joseph's affection towards a woman named Else Janke

>"One morning he sees a pretty girl in Rheydt and Herbert Hompesch whispers that she is Else Janke, a schoolteacher and orphan. She is well built and motherly; he, so slight that, seeing him from the rear once, she thinks him only twelve years old. He will later describe her variously as 'a rare mixture of passion and prudence' and as 'a lovely, sweet-tempered chatterbox.' Interestingly he will write: 'I often think of her as my mother.'"

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On Else's refusal to make their relationship public

>"To his annoyance Else will not admit to their relationship in public. The crippled Dr Goebbels has much to learn about the mysterious fluids and capillaries that, mixed together, make up the female brain."

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>>9032438
>Dostoyevsky's 'The Brothers Karamazov'
I think he saw himself in Smerdyakov.

Is this coming from a biography in particular or what? Where would I go to read more?

>>9032112
I got to this point but wanted to let you know I'm liking this, OP.
Where did you get your sources?

>>9032482
>he lay on his bed at home and drank in Oswald Spengler's writings on the decline of the west instead
Proof that NEETdom fucks you up.

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>>9032497
>>9032499
OP here. I'll post the sources at the end as usual if that's alright. In short four or five biographies I have read either in part or in full. They usually cover the same details, though in some cases there are further interesting details or more about a certain topic than elsewhere.
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On the titles of some of Joseph’s writing at the time

>”Among the literary products of these otherwise idle years were another drama entitled ‘Heinrich Kämpfert’ and manuscripts with titles like ‘Gypsy Blood,’ ‘Those who adore the Sun,’ and ‘A Wandering Scholar, I.’ His poems were called, ‘Deep in my Reveries I wandered the Dark Forest,’ ‘Prayer,’ ‘The Death Song of the People,’ ‘Sleep Baby, Sleep,’ and ‘At Night.’”

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On Joseph’s involvement in the arts and contemporary literature

>” He was rootless, restless, and now friendless too: [childhood friend] Richard Flisges had left to work in the mines. Challenged by the Albertus Magnus Society to give due account of his progress, Goebbels replied grandly on January 10, 1922 that he was looking out for a position in the press or theatre. After carrying half a dozen of his pieces, the Westdeutsche Landeszeitung published no more although he heard that they had attracted much attention. He worked briefly as the newspaper’s art critic but was made redundant just before his birthday in 1922. A few days later he delivered a public lecture on Oswald Spengler and other contemporary literature; he praised Spengler’s critical remarks about the Jews, which had gone to the root of the matter and ‘must inevitably bring about a spiritual clarification of the Jewish problem,’ in Goebbels’ view. His mother’s suitcase would hold clippings of just a dozen newspaper contributions by Dr phil Joseph Goebbels”

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On Joseph’s speech on contemporary German literature

>”That autumn he was […] offered the chance to give a talk on “Excerpts from Contemporary German Literature.” He used it to settle his score with postwar literature in general (“one pathetic scribbler trying to outdo another”) but dealt particularly harshly with the worst excesses of Expressionism, although he did not condemn the movement as a whole.”

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This thread fucking owns. Much thanks OP.

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OP here. I am nearly reaching halfway through the notes I've prepared. Please keep the thread active if you're interested, as I try and avoid spam-posting.

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On Joseph's failure to become a published author while unemployed

>"his writings are universally rejected by the big Jewish publishers like Mosse and Ullstein in Berlin. He remarks to Else that you cannot get ahead unless you are 'one of the boys.' Else makes no response. 'My creativity is zero,' he writes. 'Why? Am I a failure?'"

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On Joseph's diary and emotional torment

>"on October 17, 1923 he resumed his famous diary. 'I can't stand the anguish any longer,' he wrote. 'I've got to set down all the bitterness that burdens my heart.' For Goebbels, writing the diary became something of a fetish, an advance programming of his brain for great things to come. He was aware of a messianic sense of mission. 'On guard, friend!' he would admonish the diary [...] 'Make your sacrifice! Fulfil your mission!' And a few days later: 'Who am I, why am I here, what is my task and what my purport? Am I a wastrel, or an emissary who is waiting for God's Word?' And he added: 'Again and again one shining light escapes the depths of my despair: my belief in my own purity, and my conviction that some day my hour will come.'"

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On Joseph's despair during his mid-twenties

>"A deep, unremitting despair had seized him. He bemoaned the God that had created him a crippled weakling. 'Despair, despair!' he lamented. 'I can't bear to live and see all this injustice. I must join the fight for Justice and Freedom! Despair! Help me, O Lord, I am at the end of my strength!!!'"

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hey OP, could you clarify whether or not JG ever asked Anka to marry him? Thanks.

>>9032511
>phil
that's Philology, not Philosophy, right?

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>>9032554
>"His relationship with Anka suffered several crises, but the two always became reconciled again and then felt "closer to each other than before." There were marriage plans, which bumped up against what Goebbels contemptuously referred to as "conventionalities."

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On Joseph's reaction to his best friend's death in the mines

>"one July afternoon in 1923 [...] he received the shattering news that [childhood friend] Richard Flisges had been crushed to death down the mines at Schliersee. He would dramatise his grief, wallowing for months in self-pity; and he rewrote the ending of [his novel] 'Michael' to send his hero down the mines to his death despite a premonition of doom from his landlady"

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On Joseph working for a bank and his growing dislike for Jews

>"Starting at the bank on January 2, 1923 he sees at first hand the unpalatable side of capitalism, and reacts with repugnance to the 'sacred speculation' by the rich and affluential. The country's banks, he finds, are nearly all Jewish. He begins to ponder upon the relationship between das Judentum (the Jewish community) and the Money Problem. The more he looks around the more he perceives the Jews-young Otto Klemperer whom he hears conducting a Gustav Mahler symphony turns out to be a Jew; so does Mahler"

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On Joseph’s determination to write a drama worthy of publication

>” Trapped in his lodgings, Goebbels’s brain fevered on. He brought forth a new drama, ‘Prometheus,’ and in September another play, ‘The Wanderer,’ in which a Traveller guides an often despairing Poet across the heights and sloughs surrounding the German people. […].The words Judentum, Qual (anguish), and Verzweiflung (despair) whirled kaleidoscopically around his jottings. ‘Politics,’ he noted. ‘I don’t know whether to weep or laugh at it.”

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On the connection between Joseph's failure to publish and his hatred for Jews

>"The more the products of his festering intellect were rejected by unseen editors, the more he saw the Jews behind his torment."

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>>9032164
>"Joseph Goebbels reaches puberty at about thirteen. But given his later reputation is it worth emphasising that he will be thirty-three before he first has sexual intercourse with a woman.
Well, I still have teen years.

oh fuck, OP, are you the Ted Kaczynski guy

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>>9032566
Doctor of Philosophy.
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On Joseph’s reading habits and thoughts about the role of the artist

>” He read the diaries kept by Henri Alexandre de Catt as private secretary to Frederick the Great and three times afterwards quoted the great monarch’s dictum: ‘Life becomes a curse, and dying a duty.’ Reading more of Thomas Mann he felt that the great novelist had declined after writing ‘Buddenbrooks.’ “

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On Joseph’s further anti-Semitic convictions

>”His antisemitism was reinforced by reading the book ‘Prozesse’ (Trials) by Maximilian Harden—he recorded afterwards that Harden was not a German at all but a Polish Jew, Isidor Witkowski. ‘What a hypocritical Schweinehund this damn’ Jew is,’ he wrote; and then, broadening his aim: ‘Rogues, blackguards, traitors: they suck the blood out of our arteries. Vampires!’ Harden, he decided, was a dangerous man precisely because he gave his writing all he had—pungency, a caustic wit, and satire. ‘Typical of how the Jews fight,’ assessed Goebbels”

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On Joseph's revised opinion of Wagner in his twenties

>"When he ploughed through Richard Wagner's autobiography he identified painfully with the maestro's anguished struggle to survive in Paris, and his physical suffering. He saw Wagner as a wage-slave enchained by the 'filthy Jew' Schlesinger. 'The philistine today,' noted Goebbels, 'will read that with the comforting reflection that, yes, things were tough for Wagner. That's the artist's lot."

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On Joseph's view of his contemporaries

>" Looking around, he scowled at his smug, shallow-minded, pinstriped contemporaries, their lives dominated by the pay packet, football, and sex, and he understood why the communists hated the bourgeoisie"
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So basically he couldnt get published so he blamed the jews

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On Joseph's years of unemployment after leaving the bank

>"The diaries for the next years show him in a painful light-introspective to the point of obsession, scribbling plays, articles, and critiques for a public no larger than himself and, sometimes, the woman in his life. With dwindling hope but dull obstinacy he kept submitting the little, thirty-thousand word typescript of [his novel] 'Michael Voorman' to new publishers. He felt like a bird with clipped wings. Why even get up in the morning? 'Nothing awaits me-no joy, no suffering, no duty, no job.'"

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On Joseph's speech at a communist meeting

>"Once in June 1924 he and Fritz Prang visited a local communist meeting. Invited to speak, Goebbels was interrupted immediately: 'Capitalist swine!' He rounded on his heckler. 'Here is my purse,' he challenged. 'You show me yours. The one who has the most is the capitalist swine!' The miners and textile workers roared with laughter and allowed him to speak on."

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On twenty-seven year old Joseph writing for Völkische Freiheit

>"Under [...] Goebbels the weekly became readable and hard hitting. He was not happy with his writing style, but practice made perfect and his thoughts flowed fast and free. He installed a sub-office in his parental home. As his twenty-seventh birthday came and went his parents were astounded by the change. He still lounged around unshaven, but he had a sense of purpose. He increased his literary intake still more: he digested ten newspapers each day, and dealt with correspondence until two or three A.M. He began a new article, 'The Basic Problems of Jewry.' His parents stopped nagging. His fame as orator and writer was noised across the Rhineland. True, he was not being paid, but this fame was gratification enough"

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On Joseph losing his job at the paper due to infighting

>"Three days later Wiegershaus invited him to resign, and he cast his lot with [friend and Nazi organizer] Kaufmann instead. His personal life now was overshadowed by a humiliating lack of funds. He was often unable to pay his rent or buy food, but when Kaufmann needed it desperately Goebbels proudly loaned him his last forty marks. They became firm friends; Kaufmann was one of the very few men he addressed as du."

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On Joseph's anger after being forced to resign and return to poverty

>"To forget his own poverty he would crawl, his stomach aching for nourishment, into a church pew to hear St. Matthew's Passion with tears streaming down his cheeks at the beauty of the music. He found it hard to make true friends. He found his Alsatian dog more likeable than many a human being; indeed, he began to hate the human race as he often wrote in his diary""

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>>9032603
Noticing a pattern here

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>tfw you're literally Goebbels

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On Joseph's fears for the future

>"His romantic escapades left him filed with self-hatred too. Else now rarely wrote to him, having found him juvenile and adolescent. He had started a parallel relationship with another girl, Elisabeth Gensicke, but nothing came of it. 'From year to year,' he reflected, 'I shall be more and more lonely until I end up all alone without love and without a family.' That was his dread"

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On Joseph being evicted from his lodgings

>"his landlord gave him notice to quit his lodgings at No.122 Gesundheit Strasse ('Health Street') in Elberfeld. His parents had sent him 150 marks. 'Damn and blast!' he let fly in his diary, and an unkind Fate, hearing him, responded with a final tax demand for 150 marks"

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On Joseph's first experience with Nazism

>"The Weimar meeting [in August 1924] was a milestone in his career. He gained immediate inspiration from the well-attended rally at the National Theatre and the shouts of Heil. He saw for the first time the swastika-this curious four-elbowed symbol-and inked it into his diary. He spotted his old lecturer Professor Kaerst from Wurzburg there, at the back, wearing a swastika and noted: 'Et tu, Brute!' 'All these young people who are fighting alongside me,' he wrote. 'It does my heart good.'"

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On Joseph's intention to honour Nazi ideology

>"That afternoon, still an outsider, he watched the flags and swastikas parading-some thirty thousand marching men in his estimate. The tumultuous roars of Heil when Hitler's name was mentioned made a lasting impression. For a while he sat with [childhood friend] Fritz Prang in a bar [...]. Fritz wanted to relax but Goebbels was so keyed up that he talked only about politics, ignoring the come-hither glances directed, he claimed in his diary, at him by the girls all around. He had found a new passion. 'I have begun to think volkisch,' he wrote. 'It is a Weltanschauung, a philosophy of life. Pure chance had decreed that he emerge from his hibernation here on the far right, and not the left."

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On Joseph's admiration for the imprisoned Hitler

>" 'We are all missing him,' he confessed to his diary. In Hitler, whom he had yet to meet, he saw the unifying concept of the movement-'The fixed pole around which all national socialist thinking orbits."

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> ugly Germanics and their autism

southern europe, please separate

Where can I find his diaries before 1925? Preferable in German, but English is fine as well.

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On Joseph's speeches as an early Nazi

>"He recognized in himself the elements of a 'ripe old demagogue' and set about refining his delivery. [...] Ruthlessly mixing metaphors, he recorded that the flames would rage on and he would reap later what he was sowing now. Other workers asked to hear the Little Doctor speak. A locomotive engineer brought his mates to hear him in an ugly tavern in the Ruhr. 'I have found a firm objective,' Goebbels wrote, 'one to which my eyes unblinking turn. This objective is: Freedom for Germany!' Over the next year he would deliver no less than 189 speeches, learning to cast off all cant and phoney philosophizing, becoming preacher, apostle, and agitator alike"

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On the French occupation repressing the movement and Joseph's avoiding capture

>"The same old grief,' he observed in his diary. 'But an Idea cannot be put down.' And, ten days later: 'Prosecution and arrests by the French_ They've knocked us flat. This is the proof that our Idea is the right one.' He had founded a local group at Krefeld, and often spoke to them: one evening three Belgian detectives appeared, blocked the doors, and asked him if 'a Dr Goebbels' was in the hall. Goebbels replied calmly, 'He's busy right now, I'm speaking on his behalf.' The officials left empty handed."

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On the growing crowds attending his speeches

>"He now drew audiences of two and three thousand with ease. Often there were as many thugs outside, armed with firearms too. At Dusseldorf on October 8, 1925 the communists for miles around packed in, but within minutes he had silenced them and held them in his grip for two hours"

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On Joseph and Adolf's first meeting

>"On July 12 [1925] Hitler called all the party's gauleiters [regional supporters] of northern Germany to Weimar, and it was in a beerhall here that he and Goebbels first briefly met that day."

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Looking around, he scowled at his smug, shallow-minded, pinstriped contemporaries, their lives dominated by the pay packet, football, and sex, and he understood why the communists hated the bourgeoisie

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On Joseph joining the Nazi newspaper Volkisher Beobachter

>”In Munich, Hitler had revived the Party newspaper Völkischer Beobachter and Alfred Rosenberg, its editor, invited Goebbels to submit occasional pieces from May. He wrote by day and made speeches by night. He did not flinch from the ugly scenes that often resulted. After he spoke at a flag dedication ceremony at Remscheid on June 6 there was a battle with communists in the railroad tunnel and the police arrested 150 of his opponents. ‘I was in the thick of it,’ he chortled. ‘The two factions went berserk and waded into eachother. What a way to One Nation!’”

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On the demanding journey to give speeches across Germany

>”He was living a gypsy existence, changing trains and lodgings with almost equal frequency. He was driving himself to the limit. His diary entries often end with a motif that remains unchanged for years—of dropping off exhausted to bed, for only a few hours’ sleep. He crisscrossed his tough industrial domain, in painfully slow local trains, setting eyes also on Lübeck, Hamburg […], the Ruhr cities smouldering in their infernal polluted semi-darkness, and Hamburg again (‘German sweat and German enterprise, exploited by the Jews.’)”

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On Joseph’s romantic longing and revised view of women

>” He wished he had hearth, home, and family to greet him at Elberfeld; but he found permanent relations with women difficult to achieve. He placed these remote, cantankerous creatures on a sort of pedestal.

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On Joseph’s attitude towards sex

>”He was […] profoundly indignant when he saw Hamburg’s red-light district around the Reeperbahn, with the half naked hookers standing in their doorways. A local Party official later recalled that one keen young S.A. man asked, ‘Doktor, what’ll we do with streets like this after the revolution?’, and Goebbels snarled in reply: ‘We shall sweep them away like the garbage that they are!’ He went on to develop a picture of a Germanic youth elite unexampled in purity and virtuousness since the days of the crusades and monastic orders. ‘I could have wept!’ he noted afterwards privately. ‘Can men do that? For money?’ He saw Germany’s blonde girls embracing slit-eyed Chinamen in the street; the police just stood by grinning..."

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On Joseph’s regret that women are inferior

>” He seldom took his women to his meetings, and no longer sent his writings to them either. After Else wrote him a despairing letter shortly before Christmas he lamented, ‘Why can’t women be like us? Can they be educated? Or are they by their very nature inferior? Only in exceptional cases can women be heroines!’ ‘There is a curse cast over you and women,’ he told himself piteously five days later. ‘Woe betide those who love you!”

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On Joseph and Adolf’s second meeting in November 1925

>”He’s just having a meal [described Goebbels]. At once he jumps to his feet and shakes my hand like an old friend. And those big blue eyes of his! Like stars! He’s pleased to see me. I am in transports of delight. After ten minutes he withdraws. Then he has his speech ready in outline. Meanwhile I am driven over to the meeting, and speak for two hours. Huge applause, and then shouts of Heil and applause: he is there. He shakes my hand. He is still completely exhausted after his own great speech. Then he speaks here for half an hour too. With wit, irony, humour, and sarcasm, with seriousness, with fervour, with passion. This man’s got everything to be a king. The born popular leader! The coming dictator”

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On Joseph and Adolf’s third meeting later in November 1925

>”Two days later he met Hitler again, in Saxony. Hitler invited him to speak first (‘How small I feel!’) then presented him with his photograph inscribed with greetings to the Rhineland. The framed portrait would remain on Goebbels’ desk until the very hour he died.”

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On growing Communist violence at Joseph’s rallies

>”The communist violence at his own meetings was getting out of hand. The meetings often ended with riots, with shattered beer mugs and splintered furniture. At Chemnitz on November 18 he put his views on Lenin and Hitler to two thousand communists, who listened in silence. Then a thousand beer glasses were smashed, 150 people were injured and one (or two) men killed”

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I'm reading this whole thing OP it's interesting

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On Joseph’s first arrival in Berlin and hatred of the ‘Judenpresse’

>”On Thursday November 26, 1925 he arrived in Berlin for the first time […] The Nazi Party here in Berlin was weak, probably less than one thousand names. Dr Ernst Schlange, a civil servant, was the local gauleiter [regional leader]. He had lost an arm and half his face in the war […] [Joseph] later learned that the police once found a bottle of liquor and an alarm clock in Schlange’s pockets—the ‘Judenpresse’ laughed that without the one he could not live and without the other he could not wake out of his stupors.”

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On Joseph’s dislike of radio

>”At Rheydt he found that his father had bought a radio set— ‘the modern mind-narrowing device,’ scoffed his son. ‘Everything piped in! The philistine’s ideal!’”

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On Joseph’s program / manifesto to be presented at the 1926 Hannover conference

>”Goebbels spent most of December on it […]. The redrafting was harder than he had anticipated. In its final form it comprised twenty-four basic demands: they were militantly anti-bourgeois. The Party would respect private property, but nationalise all heavy industry and the great land estates. Meanwhile he set about literary projects of his own including a portrait gallery of political personalities, and a collection of his own political letters, ‘The Second Revolution.’”

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On Joseph’s continued fascination with the opposite sex

>”For the time being he is still preoccupied with the opposite sex. They are a welcome distraction from work, a habit rather like the cigarette smoking which he now finds impossible to give up […] His roving eye appraises every handsome woman regardless of social or marital standing. He ogles anonymous women on seaside vacations and indeed why not? He is young and eligible. ‘Opposite me,’ he writes one July day in a Berchtesgaden hotel, ‘sits a beautiful, beautiful woman.’ He spends three days stalking this gorgeous brunette— ‘she stays demure, and I am a silly ass. I am running after her like a schoolboy.’”

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On Joseph’s attending the 1926 Nazi rally at Weimar

>”His […] prepared talk on propaganda had Hitler in stitches. Hitler himself talked on politics, ideologies, and organisation. […]The photographs show him limping at Hitler’s side through Weimar’s cobbled streets, wearing a jacket buttoned just beneath his tieknot."

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On Joseph being invited to Adolf’s mountain villa

>”Up at his still modest mountain villa Hitler dilated on Germany’s social and racial questions; Goebbels fell in love with him all over again and decided that here was the creator of the Third Reich […] Hitler whiled away a whole rainy Sunday with him, spoiling him like a child. He became the Great Architect, talking of how he would set his mark upon Germany’s cities; then the Great Statesman, setting out the new constitution he would impose on Germany. ‘Now,’ wrote Goebbels, hypnotized, leaving him on July 25, ‘the last doubts in me have vanished. Germany will live! Heil Hitler!’”

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On Joseph falling for a woman in his train carriage on the way home from visiting Adolf

>”His brain awhirl with these impressions, he is still nursing Hitler’s farewell bouquet of red roses as he boards the overnight train back to the Rhineland. A beautiful woman shares his compartment. She talks engagingly with him, and they arrange to meet in Düsseldorf on the morrow. He limps around the city for two hours searching for her, but without luck.”

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>>9032877
>”His […] prepared talk on propaganda had Hitler in stitches.
Do you happen to know the contents of that talk or where I could find it? I wonder what could have said to make Hitler laugh with ideas about propaganda.
I alsofind it abit ironic that Goebbels apparently hated the radio but would then later use the Volksempfänger for his propaganda.

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>>9032902
OP here. I don't have any notes about that speech unfortunately. And yes, I've included some quotations because of their ironic quality.

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On Joseph being chosen to win Berlin for the Nazis

>”He who held Berlin held Germany. Winning the ‘Red city’ was the task that confronted Dr Goebbels. Hitler gave him authority to rule the gau [region] with an iron fist. […]The Reich capital was like no other city in Europe—over-populated, throbbing with life twenty-four hours a day. It was an international hodgepodge of races, the collision point of western and eastern cultures. This gigantic, sprawling heap of bricks and stone and asphalt was divided into twenty boroughs varying in size from wealthy Zehlendorf […] to the proletarian slum Kreuzberg […]. Politically the city was a red stronghold like the towns all around— Oranienburg, Nauen, Fürstenwalde, and Zossen. Goebbels would find only a few hundred paid up Nazis in Berlin.”

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On the Jewish population of Berlin at the time

>”By the time of Goebbels’ arrival, one-third of Germany’s half-million Jews were concentrated in the city. They made up 4.3 percent of its population: but they provided over half Berlin’s lawyers, fifteen percent of the real estate agents, and nearly eleven percent of the doctors; they dominated the wealthy ranks of Berlin’s dentists, pharmacists, judges, public prosecutors, and academics, and maintained a near stranglehold on the world of the arts. While Mosse’s Berliner Tageblatt would become one of Goebbels’ principal enemies, he would lump all the bourgeois newspapers into the general category of ‘Judenpresse.’ […] Dr Heinrich Brüning, Chancellor of the Reich from 1930 to 1932, could find only one bank not controlled by them”

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On Jewish crime in Berlin and Germany at the time
>” In 1930 Jews would be convicted in forty-two of 210 known narcotics smuggling cases; in 1932 sixty-nine of the 272 known international narcotics dealers were Jewish. Jews were arrested in over sixty percent of the cases of running illegal gambling dens; 193 of the 411 pickpockets arrested in 1932 were Jews. In 1932 no fewer than thirty-one thousand cases of fraud, mainly insurance swindles, would be committed by Jews. Statistical comparisons are of course usually odious, but it was against this background that Goebbels now started his campaign.”

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>>9032207
I refuse to not believe in you.

>>9032902
>I alsofind it abit ironic that Goebbels apparently hated the radio but would then later use the Volksempfänger for his propaganda.
If you think THAT is ironic...

>The charity makes him a final loan of 250 marks. At Munich he studies under
>the Swiss art historian, Professor Heinrich Wölfflin; he studies music under
>Professor Hermann Ludwig Baron von der Pfordten and catholic theology
>under Professor Joseph Schnitzer. But his real intellectual nourishment is
>from what he takes in at the galleries and museums – the paintings of Arnold
>Böcklin, of Carl Spitzweg, and of Anselm Feuerbach. He reads voraciously,
>devouring Sophocles’ drama Antigone, August Strindberg’s The Red Room,
>Thomas Mann’s Death in Venice, and assorted works by Henrik Ibsen and Leo
>Tolstoy.
>He auctions his suits, sees Anka pawn her own Gold watch, and hocks his own
>watch for a pittance to – he recalls in 1925 – an ‘insolent Jew.’ Such stereotyped
>references are rare in his early letters. On the contrary, he sends Anka a gentle
>rebuke (JG to Anka Stalherm, Feb 17, 1919).
>‘As you know, I can’t stand this exaggerated antisemitism,’ he writes,
>in a reference to their teacher Gerhard Bartels. ‘I can’t claim that many of my
>best friends are Jews, but my view is you don’t get rid of them by huffing and
>puffing, let alone by pogroms – and if you could do so that would be both
>highly ignoble and unworthy.

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On Joseph’s battle with Berlin police chief Dr Bernhard Weiss

>”Bernhard Weiss would become Goebbels’ sworn enemy—not just because of the rigour with which he deployed his fourteen thousand truncheon-wielding uniformed police in the struggle for the streets of Berlin, but because he was a Jew and even his best friends said he looked like a caricature of one. […] His battle against the Jews turned into a battle against one man, the deputy police chief Dr Weiss. The sheer scale of the legal battle fought between them can be judged from the court records. The police targeted [Goebbels] with no fewer than forty court actions; Weiss himself was involved in twenty-three cases."

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On police chief Weiss’s crusade against Joseph

>”Tirelessly and at taxpayers’ expense Weiss fought the battles against Goebbels and his newspaper: the court dockets ooze with his cold fury at irreverent cartoons […] at its caricatures […] and even at a crossword puzzle, whose solution turned out to be: ‘Get out Angriff until Isidor’s [Joseph’s nickname for Weiss] defeated.’”

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On Joseph accusing alleged Jew Bernhard Weiss of anti-semitism

>”’why does Dr Bernhard Weiss have us up before the judge just because we call him ‘Isidor’? Does he think the name doesn’t suit him? Or does it suit him too well—perhaps because Isidor is a euphemism for a Jew? Since when was it derogatory to be a Jew, then?’. The supreme court in Leipzig found with Goebbels that to call a Jew a Jew was no more defamatory than to call a catholic a catholic.”

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>>9032943
>The supreme court in Leipzig found with Goebbels that to call a Jew a Jew was no more defamatory than to call a catholic a catholic.
rekt

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On Joseph’s impact on the Nazi HQ in Berlin

>”over the coming months he forced a level of activity that Berlin had not seen before; he founded a Nazi speakers’ school, he developed a constant, intrusive, drum-beating propaganda, he provoked clashes with the communists that hit Berlin’s newspaper headlines time and again. On Sunday November 14 he led a deliberately provocative propaganda march through the working-class suburb of Neukölln which aroused both fury and consternation among the local communists; the newspapers reported that in the ensuing disorders use was made of ‘missiles, knuckle-dusters, clubs, and even pistols.’Cutting out the dead wood, he threw out half of their members”

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On Joseph causing mischief

>”He had already acquired a taste for the rough and tumble of radical politics. He led a raiding party on a theatre staging an award-winning but anti-German play by Carl Zuckmayer. Goebbels’ Nazis hurled stink bombs into the audience and he was disappointed that only five women swooned”

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On Joseph radicalizing the unemployed and disillusioned

>”His tactical object was to capture the communists’ pawns, the unemployed hordes of Berlin. Typical of his S.A. foot soldiers was the young law student Horst Wessel, whose diary we now have. Aged just nineteen, he had joined the Party that autumn. ‘How I came to the National Socialists?’ he asked. ‘Out of disillusion really. My nationalist radicalism, or rather my radical nationalism had not found a home. But the Nazis, as they were already called, were radical—radical in every respect."

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On Joseph’s reaction to being mocked at a rally

>”The olive-complexioned Goebbels had just recommended his audience to display their ‘forceful gratitude’ to a journalist on Germania who boasted the suspiciously Germanic name of Karl-Otto Graetz but was really, he said, a ‘swine of a Jew’ (Judensau) when Fritz Stucke, an elderly but politically active parson, called out sarcastically, ‘A fine image of Germanic youth you look!’. ‘I take it,’ shouted Goebbels, breaking the pained silence that followed and pointing to the doors, ‘that you’re keen to get flung out on your ear?’ When Stucke opened his mouth again, taunting Goebbels: ‘You mean you?’, burly young men bundled him downstairs, dragging him the last few yards by his feet.”

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On Joseph being banned from speaking in Berlin following the incident

>”The press smelt blood and tasted revenge […] Twenty four hours later the police served a restraining order on Dr Goebbels, banning him from speaking in Berlin, and dissolving his gau. They also charged him with incitement to violence. After just six months in Berlin the unstoppable gauleiter seemed to have run into an immovable object: the police president of Berlin”

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On Joseph’s return to public speaking after his ban

>”Goebbels claimed to have added six hundred new members during April. [1927]. ‘Let the gentlemen in Berlin,’ he said, ‘take note that the time will come when the National Socialists will pay them back in the same coin and with interest. Nothing will be forgotten.’”

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>>9032938

>August Strindberg’s The Red Room,

Any report on how he liked it? I'd imagine he'd hate Ibsen for being progressive vis-a-vis women's rights and Mann for being a pederast fag, but his reaction to Strindberg I think is hard to call. On the one hand, Strindberg could sort of resonate with the nazis, coming from the lower class but developing a sort of aristocratic contempt for the masses through artistic refinement, and on the other, he was at least a part time degenerate bohemian.

>>9033037
He read him in 1919, when he was still a college bohemian with serious religious doubts and a growing inclination towards socialism.

>manlet who cucked himself by looking after his wifes kids

Kek

>>9032938
>people who didn't start out hating jews start hating jews when they learn more about them

wow, what a hypocrit.

>>9033068
I just said it was ironic. Yeah, it's a logical sequence. For example:
>Starting [working] at the bank on January 2, 1923, he sees at first hand the unpalatable
>side of capitalism, and reacts with repugnance to the ‘sacred speculation’ by
>the rich and influential. The country’s banks, he finds, are nearly all Jewish.
>He begins to ponder upon the relationship between das Judentum (roughly,
>Judaism or the Jewish community) and the Money Problem. The more he
>looks around the more he perceives the Jews – young Otto Klemperer, whom
>he hears conducting a Gustav Mahler symphony, turns out to be a Jew; so
>does Mahler himself. He studies Houston Stewart Chamberlain and he finds
>himself troubled by the Jewishness of Else.
>He cannot ignore the contrasts. He himself has to set out from Rheydt each
>morning at five-thirty and gets home at seven or eight each night, while his
>pay packet shrinks in value through the galloping inflation that has set in.
>‘Cologne is ad nauseam,’ he writes. ‘Pay check worthless.’ (On March 27 he
>sends the Albertus Magnus Society a ten-thousand-mark banknote; it is worth
>less than one Gold mark.)

Idealist, left-wing liberal arts students become realist right-wingers when actually coming into the workforce. But still, much more ironic than the radio thing.

>>9032112
>tfw you'll never have a nickname even resembling Ulysses

>>9032026
>this kinda thread about the Unabomber
link pls

>>9032861
Your pathetic show of allegiance only undermines any value in your recommendation

>>9031886
Hey its unabomber-anon thanks for doing Goebbels as well.

Which books did you use for this? Most of the english ones seem focused on the last years of the War.

>>9033250
>Your pathetic show of allegiance
Easy there with that frothing from the mouth.

I'm just pointing out that, unlike pretty much any other one, Irving's biography of Goebbels, which was the first one to be written directly from Goebbels diaries, doesn't directly take the jews' side, or any side from that matter.

That is not a show of allegiance - again, it's a show of the book's non-partisanship. And yeah, I'm also pointing out that the more... mainstream Goebbels biographies, like Peter Longerich's and Tobias Jersak's, borrow directly from this book, or at least from the research files that Irving made for the book and these two, and many others, stole.

Also, reading this thread, it looks like OP is using Irving's book (maybe among others, iunno) too.

But don't take my word for it. Hitchens was a jew, and he defended this book tooth and nail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdxTsWXZdFc

>>9033299
Man, my grammar is currently atrocious.

Don't program for 10 hours straight and then try to write english coherently later, kids.

>>9033299
>scum backtracks to claim non-partisanship as soon as he's called out

You clearly haven't studied propaganda enough yourself

>>9033304
>scum backtracks to claim non-partisanship
Go reread the original post, you idiot:
>>9032861
>It's basically a completely non-(((partisan))) synthesis of Goebbels diaries

>>9033311
This is some fourth dimensional lack of self awareness

>>9033350
>It's basically a completely non-(((partisan))) synthesis of Goebbels diaries
>I'm just pointing out that [...] Irving's biography of Goebbels [...] doesn't directly take the jews' [represented by the echo parentheses when I say "non-(((partisan)))" in the first post you're quoting] side, or any side for that matter
Again, careful with that frothing of the mouth.

My grammar is atrocious atm, yeah, but not to the point of me being rendered 100% incomprehensible.

As someone who is literally Goebells, I can't help but feel like that radicalism is a trap. Sure, Judaism is satanic, but you're only strengthening it by fighting it directly.

Dude should have dealt with his Oedipus complex and learned to love himself, but I guess he didn't know how to sort himself out and that was the problem.

I don't know man

>>9033395
You're literally sounding like pic in >>9032196
>Jewish side
Lmao

>>9033471
>non-partisanship is partisanship
>war is peace
>freedom is slavery
>ignorance is strength

>>9033470
Goebells by the time of his anti-semitism would have seen the Oedipus complex as the pinnacle of degenerate Jewish science

>>9032861
>Irving
I had a feeling he was your source. It's rare to get a picture of a loyal nazi as anything other than a monster that was belched out of the earth fully grown in the mid-1930's.

>>9032247
>I have also researched Goethe, Munch, Salinger, and others who are not criminals.
Please make a thread about Sallinger

>>9034389
Seconding this

>>9033007
OP went to sleep?
Bump to keep this thread alive

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>>9031886
This was fun. bump

Any more OP? I read the Ted thread and thought it was great as well.

Thanks lad

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>>9033828
OP here. I'm not the person you're replying to. But Irving was one of my sources, the full list being:

1. David Irving - Goebbels: Architect of the Third Reich

2. Peter Lohengrich - Goebbels: A Biography

3. Curt Reiss - Joseph Goebbels

And one or two others I've only skimmed through for potential further details about his youth. Not as many sources as usual but I didn't find much about the period of his life I was interested in.
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On Joseph’s continued battle with Weiss and predictions for Berlin

>”The fight against ‘Isidor’ Weiss went on. ‘He who has the police HQ in Berlin has Prussia,’ Goebbels would define. ‘He who has Prussia, has the Reich.’ […]‘You may say,’ he admitted, ‘that for the time being the cautious, sober desk-warriors have proven right; but even if our methods have resulted in the ban they have had one effect already—that every youngster in Berlin now knows of the National Socialist party… A movement which means to smash the old State cannot march in bedroom slippers,’ he continued, ‘We may not have won the affections of this city of four million, but we have earned its hatred, and hatred can turn to affection.’”

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On Joseph’s view of the “masses”

>”we, the responsible minority, will enforce our will upon a flabby, lazy, supine, and stupid majority lurking behind which the Jew prosecutes his dark plans.’ […] ‘If the German people does not want to be liberated […] then we shall act without their consent.’”

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On Joseph’s tactic of adopting slogans and names used to insult him

>”He seized upon his opponents’ more cherished slogans. If enemies called him a Bandit, his next posters announced him as the Arch Bandit of Berlin. A politician of the Weimar republic had spoken of provided a ‘life of beauty and dignity.’ Goebbels rode that phrase into the ground over the next six years. He began an article on the mounting suicide rate with the ironic comment, ‘The following were unable to endure any longer the happiness of this Life of Beauty and Dignity”

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>>9034427
OP here. Yes I fell asleep, sorry. I created too many notes this time so I won't post them all.

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On Joseph’s opinion of propaganda

>”propaganda which produces the desired results is good, and all other propaganda is bad […] Therefore it is meaningless to say your propaganda is too crude, too cruel, too brutal, or too unfair for none of those terms matter… Propaganda is always a means to an end. It is an art which can be taught to the average person like playing the violin. But there comes a point when you say, ‘You’re on your own now. What remains to be learned can only be accomplished by a genius.’ If people say, ‘But you are only propagandists,’ then you should answer, ‘And what else was Jesus Christ? Did he not make propaganda? […] Is Mussolini a scribbler or is he a great speaker? When Lenin went from Zürich to Saint-Petersburg did he rush from the station into his study to write a book or did he speak before a multitude?”

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On Joseph adding anti-Semitic passages to his novel ‘Michael’ several years after writing it

>”He spent his spare time tinkering with ‘Michael,’ inserting now vitriolic lines attacking the Jews” […] [e.g.] ”No Jews here at all, and that is truly a blessing. Jews make me physically sick, the mere sight of them does this. I cannot even hate the Jew. I can merely despise him. He has raped our people, soiled our ideals, weakened the strength of the nation, corrupted morals. He is the poisonous eczema on the body of our sick nation. That has nothing to do with religion. Either he destroys us, or we destroy him...”

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On Anka’s reappearance and desire to be with Joseph before leaving him again

>”Anka suddenly returns to his life: there she is, standing in the doorway of the hotel foyer at Weimar after a renewed staging of his play ‘The Wanderer’. By his own account Goebbels trembles and stammers with joy at seeing his long lost love. For half an hour Anka pours out her heart about her joyless marriage: [her husband] Mumme has concealed from her upon marriage that he is impotent from syphilis; her four-month old son is by another man. Goebbels is under her spell again, it is as though they never parted. ‘O, l’amour!’ his pen exclaims after he has lain awake all night. ‘I am like a child!’ [..] her husband does not understand this dainty creature at all and insults her […] A woman of class. All others pale before her. […] At Easter however there is an awkward scene when her husband shows up. Goebbels capitulates”

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>>9034475
>A woman of class
>her four-month old son is by another man

>>9034475
>the woman who double-cucked him returns after cucking her beta-provider
This is like something out of /r9k/.

>>9032247
Do Goethe someday, please, I'm very interested on him

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On Joseph’s relationship with a teenager, Hannah

>”In September the chase is suddenly on again. This time, his quarry is young Hannah Schneider, a true Germanic beauty from Mecklenburg. She is a member of the Party’s young women’s order […] He adores Hannah’s natural childishness (she is in her late ’teens.) She is pretty and clever, and another virgin. It is surely interesting that he writes of her as this ‘glisteningly clean maiden.’ Hannah too is like a little girl, ‘full of virginal excitement. […] strolling in the Tiergarten after this movie, he steals a chaste kiss from Hannah. ‘She blushed like a child when I kissed her neck,’ he writes, rejoicing in his adventure. He delights in her innocent chatter and writes more than once approvingly of her Jungfräulichkeit, her chastity.’ […]"

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On the end of Joseph’s relationship with Hannah

>”Hannah falls silent. ‘Does she, or does she not, love me,’ argues Goebbels. ‘I’m damned if I can tell.’ Shortly a letter comes, spelling out the answer: she does not. Goebbels limps around baffled, groping for an explanation. ‘Okay. So I shall have to stay lonely.’ […] ‘And then she confesses to me that she loves another. She only came to me because I was so lonely. A terrible discovery. From a thousand heavens I plummet to the depths of a thousand hells.” Innocently twisting her teenaged knife, Hannah writes asking if she can be a good sister to him instead. ‘Always the same,’ fulminates Goebbels.”

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On Joseph’s loneliness and fear of being labelled a homosexual

>”He is still terrified of any hint of homosexuality, a criminal perversion which seems particularly prevalent in the Nazi party. Unable to form lasting relationships with women, he loiters in cafes or haunts movie theatres with his chauffeur Tonak or cartoonist Schweitzer, his only friends. After major events he returns to his empty apartment and mopes.”

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>>9034504
>Hannah writes asking if she can be a good sister to him instead. ‘Always the same,’ fulminates Goebbels.
Lmao

goebbels was 5'5 lol

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On Nazi campaigns in Berlin during 1928

>”He proclaimed the last week of September 1928 ‘Dawes Week’, seven days of intense campaigning in Berlin against the pact obliging Germany to pay her war reparations bill regardless of her economic plight […] At Steglitz town hall the immense throng,[...] paused, bared their heads and roared the national anthem before marching on through the city’s frightened, wealthy west end to the Sport Palace building. With thousands of communists massing threateningly outside a riot began and the police opened fire. Four Nazis were seriously injured. Goebbels left under a barrage of rocks, jeers, and catcalls.”
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On Joseph’s thoughts about the Berlin communists who opposed him

>”‘This is a fight we’re going to see through with brute force.’ Nazis and communists alike declared savage war on each other. Goebbels called the Reds ‘roaring, raging sub-humans,’ and the women worst of all—‘They scream, they shriek, they bare themselves to us quite shamelessly.”

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On Joseph’s disgust with Jewish media

>”He took Schweitzer to a love film but walked out before the end, but he found the romantic scenes in ‘Anna Karenina’ a delight. Once he went to an all-Negro revue; he sniffed at their ‘silly doo-dah’ing and dancing’ and was annoyed when the public roared applause. He found Buster Keaton unfunny and incomprehensible. After seeing his first Hollywood movie, again with Schweitzer, he recorded: ‘Sheer hell. Jewish kitsch. Virtually all you saw were Hebrews.’ The dominance of the Jews in this relatively new industry did not elude him. They were everywhere. He heard Offenbach’s opera ‘The Tales of Hoffmann’ on the radio and dismissed it in his diary as Jewish music. ‘The Jewish question,’ he added intensely, ‘is the question of all questions.’”

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On Joseph’s definition of a true revolution

>”‘Anybody can go around getting locked up or banned or coshed. But to unleash volcanic emotions, to awaken outbursts of anger, to set the masses in motion, to organize hatred and despair—to do all these things with ice cold calculation and, so to speak, by legal means—these are what distinguishes the true revolutionary from the rowdy.’ The revolutionary must bide his time, even if the movement seemed to be drifting placidly along bourgeois paths.”

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>>9034513
Knowing him that was probably in big ass RDJ shoes too

>>9032091
>I will post the list of threads similar to this one, along with sources, at the end if that's ok.

Yes please. Thank you for your contributions.

>>9034518
>he sniffed at their ‘silly doo-dah’ing and dancing’ and was annoyed when the public roared applause.
>After seeing his first Hollywood movie, again with Schweitzer, he recorded: ‘Sheer hell. Jewish kitsch. Virtually all you saw were Hebrews.’
>‘The Jewish question,’ he added intensely, ‘is the question of all questions.’
wtf i love Gooballs now

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On Joseph’s relationships with various teenage girls

>”Over the next months Goebbels, now thirty-one, tries relationships with half a dozen teenage girls. The first, Johanna Polzin, lasts three weeks: he trembles as he shows her photographs of the big Sport Palace meeting. ‘And then I kiss her… She just stares at me amazed with her grey-blue eyes. Bells ring within me. A woman! A loving woman! I smother her with kisses. She is trusting as a child.’ […] He is addicted to the company of teenage girls, and prefers them perhaps to bare anything but their intellects. When Kütemeyer’s widow turns out to have opinions of her own he shrieks in his diary, ‘For God’s sake let’s keep women out of politics.’ In fact, he hates most if not all of the human race except for [teenage] Jutta and [ex-girlfriend] Anka, both of whom know how to mother him.”

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On Joseph’s fear of ‘cuckolding’ Adolf Hitler

>”When Hitler visits Berlin with niece Geli Raubal in mid November, Goebbels again finds her ‘almost lovable’ but wisely smites from his mind the horrendous idea of cuckolding the Führer”

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On Joseph’s nightmare

>”A week before Christmas he had a grotesque nightmare. He dreamed he was back at school being pursued along echoing corridors by rabbis from eastern Galizia. The Jews were chanting as they ran, screaming Hate, hate, hate! He always kept a few limping strides ahead of them, and answered with the same taunt. In his dream it seemed as though the pursuit lasted for hours, but they never caught up with him”

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So Goebbels had
- a diary (DESU)
- hatred for the vulgar masses
- strange affection towards classical music
- read the general /lit/ (Dostoevski, Tolstoi, etc. you know)
- was too gentle
- was easily impressed by political parties
- too many existential fears and dreads

He would be us.
Am I the next Goebbels?

>>9034539
You do need a Hitler.

>>9034542
And an Oedipus complex

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On Joseph meeting his wife

>”Entering his HQ one day in November 1930 Goebbels sees a platinum blonde coming down the steps. ‘Donnerwetter, Schimmel!’ he exclaims to his private secretary. ‘Who was that?’ The next day he sends for her […]. She turns out to be wealthy, married, and twenty-nine – much older than his usual preference. […] Thus he has finally met the woman he will marry. [Magda Quandt]”

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On Joseph reflecting on female emancipation

>”I am quite a reactionary,’ he confesses to the Bronners. ‘Having, and raising, children is a job for life. My mother is the woman I most revere… so close to life. Today women want a say in everything, they just don’t want children any more. They call it emancipation”

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On Joseph’s anger at his future wife’s previous relationships

>”He bickers sometimes with Magda, probing remorselessly into the darker crannies of her past. He dredges up noisome episodes, which he attributes to her wayward manner and tries to forget. The more she teases him with stories of past lovers, the more helplessly jealous he becomes. It seems that some of these old flames are not extinguished even now. No matter how loving Magda is, he cannot forget that before him she loved another. ‘She has loved too much,’ he writes, ‘and keeps telling me only the half of it. And I lie awake until the small hours lashed by jealousy”

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>>9034533
>>”When Hitler visits Berlin with niece Geli Raubal in mid November, Goebbels again finds her ‘almost lovable’ but wisely smites from his mind the horrendous idea of cuckolding the Führer”
I thought you were posting quotes?

>>9034547
And a phd.
And to have written like 20 books by the time you meet your Hitler.
And to have been published a bunch of times by then too, though then to see your publications rejected while noticing how the papers hired more and more jews and fired more and more natives.
And to have been a NEET for at least 4 years.
And to have had a fuckton of girlfriends who never spread their damn legs.

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>>9034552
OP here. That is a direct quotation included in my notes.

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On Joseph causing further mischief in 1930

>”In December 1930 Goebbels staged his most effective propaganda demonstration yet, against the Ulfa film version of ‘All Quiet on the Western Front’. The film was pacific and anti-German […]. At its first public showing on the fifth, Goebbels’ S.A. men emptied the cinema with stink bombs and live mice. […] Angriff [the Nazi paper] reported laconically that their Doctor had been present ‘for information purposes,’ and planned to see the rest of the film for informational purposes ‘on Sunday evening’. His men took the hint and trashed the movie theatre while thousands of cheering Berliners looked on. The management cancelled the next performance after that.”

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On violence leading up to the election

>”The tide of political violence was rising. Eighty-six Nazis were murdered during 1932; in twelve months Goebbels alone lost seven men, and the police seldom caught the murderers. The killing of fifteen year old Herbert Norkus was particularly nasty. With five pals he had been distributing Goebbels leaflets early one Sunday morning, January 24, when they were overwhelmed by five times their number of communists”

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On dirty tactics used during the election

>”The campaign got dirty on both sides. Hitler’s opponents distributed leaflets in old people’s homes warning that he would take away their pensions and insist on compulsory euthanasia at sixty; other election ‘lies’ against which Goebbels warned the other gauleiters in a circular were that the Nazis would bring war, inflation, expropriation, destruction of the unions, dissolution of the civil service, disemancipation of women, forced labour, civil war, and the renunciation of all claims to the South Tyrol, East Prussia, and Alsace-Lorraine. (With the passage of time, about three quarters of these ‘lies’ would come true.)”

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On Adolf flying to rallies in his own plane

>” As for Hitler, Goebbels brought in air power: flying from city to city in his own plane D1720 Hitler would address three or four huge meetings a day in twenty-one cities beginning on April 3, tackling a new enemy ‘lie’ each day.”

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>>9034559
>And to have been published a bunch of times by then too, though then to see your publications rejected while noticing how the papers hired more and more jews and fired more and more natives.


I'm seeing some parallels to modern society here.

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>Goebbels
>brilliant academic upbringing

>chose to kill jews instead of becoming a authority in Latin literature

>>9034559
I already did all that, anon.
I already did.

>>9034564
>OP here. That is a direct quotation included in my notes.
cuckholding? what's the original?

>>9034572
Self-publishing doesn't count.

>>9034577
Reeeee, it's the JUDEN fault.
Thank you, anon-kun. Trump-senpai take me as you're secretary of propaganda

>>9034574
You may not be aware but cuckolding is an actual term in the english language

>>9034564
You're an idiot, OP. You're quoting a Gobbels hagiography written tby David Irving.

Might as well post the link:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Goebbels/Goebbels.pdf

>>9034564
>other election ‘lies’ against which Goebbels warned the other gauleiters in a circular were that the Nazis would bring war, inflation, expropriation, destruction of the unions, dissolution of the civil service, disemancipation of women, forced labour, civil war
Well that's not too far from what actually happened lol

>>9034593
>"(With the passage of time, about three quarters of these ‘lies’ would come true.)”"

>>9034578
While Trump is the best the west has to offer atm, I don't think he sees the jewish problem as a problem.

Hell, his grandchildren are kikes. And he appointed Jared Kushner (his jewish son in law) as senior white house advisor, and told the republican donors that he's appoint Kushner to deal with the palestine-israel conflict of all things.

Trump's doing a bunch of things right, but he won't have use for you.

>>9034588
You're the idiot. It's been linked previously ITT (by me here >>9032861), and OP already said he's using Irving's book here >>9034470

This thread is still top-tier.

Also,
>hagiography
>1. the writing of the lives of the saints
>2. biography of the saints
>3. any biography that idealizes or idolizes its subject
>using this term instead of just "biography"
The jewish butthurt knows no bounds.

>>9034597
he should have posted in the OP.
>The jewish butthurt knows no bounds.
it's not a biography, it's written in 1996 by someone with a compromised political position and that idolises the subject. The name is hagiography.
Zero credibility. Weak from the OP for not warning the audience, poor source used.

>>9034601
See >>9033299

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>>9034601
I have yet to see any idolization of Goebbels in this thread. None of the quotes have explicitly stated that Goebbels was a great or a just man, just accounts of the events of his life.

>>9032861
>asked for the original source
>the dog ate my homework
joke thread. go home little boy

>>9034608
I'm refering to the source and the author (that the OP failed to disclose originally)

>>9034601
The book is actually pretty well-respected among historians. Prior to going full 14/88 anti-Holocaust mode Irving was admired for his work on Dresden and for his hard work finding primary sources for his writing about the Nazis, the Goebbels diaries included. Much of the content of this thread neither glorifies nor condemns Goebbels, and much of it is about his literary ambitions, which is neither here nor there.

>>9034609
I gave the source. The same one Irving used. The non-public section of the Moscow State Archives.

On that link, there's also some of what survives of his research notes: a direct transcript of Goebbels' 1938 diary.

>>9034614
the op never posts his sources at the start of the thread, see: >>9032232

if you don't believe any of the sources or see a reason to doubt their validity why not point out which one and why? rather than throwing a tantrum.

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>>9034618
>if you don't believe any of the sources or see a reason to doubt their validity why not point out which one and why? rather than throwing a tantrum.
Because

>>9034618
that's how it started, I asked the OP for the original quote >>9034574. he wasn't responsive.

>>9034621
oh, a jew appeared and screwed up the thread by asking for sources. So Sad. Why don't you kys?

>>9034618
doesn't matter really, he already admitted the dog ate his homework
>Going by the fact Irving got a bunch of his microfilms stolen by other (((historians))), the only way to access the diaries might be to contact the russian authorities directly. Specifically, the non-public section of the Moscow State Archives.

No sources, it's a joke.

>>9034570
a? why do Americans always drop the n?
it's an. an authority fucking figure.
fucking retards

>>9034642
>>9034633
>>9034629
What the fuck are you even on about

>>9034470
>OP here. I'm not the person you're replying to. But Irving was one of my sources, the full list being:
>1. David Irving - Goebbels: Architect of the Third Reich
>2. Peter Lohengrich - Goebbels: A Biography
>3. Curt Reiss - Joseph Goebbels
>And one or two others I've only skimmed through for potential further details about his youth. Not as many sources as usual but I didn't find much about the period of his life I was interested in.

Could you Jews please stop destroying a perfectly good thread?

>>9034648
This thread is a joke. The book is a joke. Classic case of "I had sources, but they were stolen" as admitted by the OP.
I don't get why people need to lie, they just remove any sort of credibility to National Socialist ideas.

>>9034642
I posted that. I'm not OP.

However, I went by memory and didn't google. I was wrong. The sources are accessible to the general public:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_Diaries#In_German

Gotta buy them though.

>>9034661
>Classic case of "I had sources, but they were stolen" as admitted by the OP
Nigger, he gave his sources to the court, years after publishing the book. That's where a bunch of them were stolen.

And again, looks like someone else transcribed the same sources decades later >>9034662, so go crazy. Didn't find piracy though.

>>9034661
What the fuck are you literally retarded
>>9032861
>Going by the fact Irving got a bunch of his microfilms stolen by other (((historians)))
This is the post you're referring to and it was not OP
>>9034470
>>>9033828
>OP here. I'm not the person you're replying to.

Plus, even the guy that originally posted that googled it and found out that nothing was actually lost >>9034662
Hopefully this'll help you realize how stupid you sound

>>9034668
>>9034662
>https://www.amazon.de/dp/3598237308
>€900
Jesus fucking christ on a stick.

>Irving writes a synopsis of the diaries
>uploads a pdf for free
>german jews transcribe the diaries
>sell them for fucking 900 euros

>>9034670
Actually he retracted, see >>9034662
I just asked for the source. OP did not provide. 2nd guy has corrected his original comment.
I made no mistake. Idiot.

>>9033470
You can't help but become like your enemies.

>>9034539
This is clearly why OP is fascinated by these people, he sees himself in them. As do many on /lit/.

>>9034672
That's a first edition, dude. https://www.amazon.de/Joseph-Goebbels-Tageb%C3%BCcher-1924-1945/dp/3492041159

>>9034699
And you are clearly a Jew trying to ruin a history thread because it hurts your feelies.

>>9034621
Literally describes /pol/

>>9034723
>5 Bände
>full thing is either 9 or 14 volumes according to the wikipedia link
I'm not sure if that's just the 5th volume or 5 of them, but in any case it's incomplete.

>>9034738
Thing previously linked was also just 'Part 1'.

>>9034750
... wait, so inspecting the wiki more closely, it's actually 29 fucking volumes.
>A 29-volume edition, spanning the years 1923–1945, was edited by Elke Fröhlich and others. It is said to be 98% complete. Beginning in 1993, the last volume was published in 2008
And going by german amazon, they're priced at something between 50 and 900 euros a pop.

Wew lad.

>>9034764
Hell of a diary desu

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I desperately need the thread on the Unabomber in this style.

>>9034771
its already linked desu

>>9034771
Read the thread, casual

>>9034769
Irving's book says he started writing his diaries at 12 (which would've been '09-'10), though he stopped at some point, and then started keeping a diary desu again when Else gifted him a notebook in '23.

So there was even more than that, but he only preserved the '23 on ones.

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Joseph... had a hard life.

>>9034774
>>9034775

Thanks.

While I'm at it, Kaczynski is the most underrated philosopher of our time. He killed three people and now he's known as a serial killer, even though he was trying to save millions of lives from technology.

Obama kills millions and gets a Nobel Prize.

>>9034794
>>>/r/im14andthisisdeep

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>>9034794

>>9034794
A Nobel Peace Prize at that.

Though to be fair, he hadn't killed all that people when he got the prize. It was given to him for, like, being black n kangz n shit.

>>9034794
This moral paradox is the oldest in the book.

Kill one man, and you're a murderer. Kill a thousand, and you're a conqueror.

Always works that way.

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>>9034794
Anarcho-primitivism is the most retarded political philosophy in existence. Even by anarchist standards it's fucking dumb.

>that feel when you can relate more to young Joseph Goebbels than almost anyone else you've ever read about or met, even down to being deformed

>>9034791
He looks like Houellebecq before Houellebecq turned into a gremlin.

>>9034828
Hotweels pls

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>>9031886
Any chance for a rundown on these two?

OP, I absolutely love these threads. What is your process for researching into these people? I want to take it up myself as a sort of hobby.

>>9034725
I'm not trying to ruin anything, I'm just making an observation. I also see myself in these people, I'm accepting of that. Maybe it's you who's getting his feelies hurt because you can't accept things about yourself.

>>9034916
Yes.

-Rothschilds bow to Bogdanoffs
-In contact with aliens
-Possess psychic-like abilities
-Control france with an iron but fair fist
-Own castles & banks globally
-Direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line
-Will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city)
-Own 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Earth
-First designer babies will in all likelihood be Bogdanoff babies
-both brothers said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in Tibetan monasteries & Area 51
-Ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
-They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world
-You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now
-The Bogdanoffs are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church. Who do you think set up the meeting between the pope & the Orthodox high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 1000 years) and arranged the Orthodox leader’s first trip to Antarctica in history literally a few days later to the Bogdanoff bunker in Wilkes land?
-They learned fluent French in under a week
-Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There’s no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Bogdanoff
-The twins are about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
-In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don’t know their ultimate plans yet. We hope they’re benevolent beings.

And this is really just the surface, a small part of what we know/can know about these almighty beings.

>>9034794
Bullshit. He even said himself his main drive was to seek revenge on the society he felt had tormented him. It's probably the same for most philosophers. It's probably how philosophy started.

>>9032164
Goebbels confirmed for Mario Incandenza

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>>9034980
TAKING REVENGE ON BEING ITSELF

>>9034940
Get a book. Read it. Make notes. Repeat. Maybe discuss with others and receive criticism and advice. Is it really that hard to figure out?

>>9034518
>>”‘Anybody can go around getting locked up or banned or coshed. But to unleash volcanic emotions, to awaken outbursts of anger, to set the masses in motion, to organize hatred and despair—to do all these things with ice cold calculation and, so to speak, by legal means—these are what distinguishes the true revolutionary from the rowdy.’ The revolutionary must bide his time, even if the movement seemed to be drifting placidly along bourgeois paths.”

Someone should tell millenials

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>>9034794
Kaczynski is overrated, unoriginal and downright embarrassing on certain points. He didnt start with the Greeks, and it shows (muh power process) He didnt read Aristotle, or Thomistic critiques of the left. He didn't read Pynchon, thus has no actual clue about technology, culture and the left. He regurgitated Ellul (not bad, so he gets some points for that) but totally dumbed him down and tacked on his stupid delusional revolutions that weren't present in Ellul.

Kaczynski was an idiot and the manifesto was one of the most boring texts I've ever read, even his later work that he wrote from prison misses the mark. Dude, I didn't act alone LMAO WE WE WE EVEN THOUGH IM AN INSUFFERABLE CUNT TO EVERYONE I ENCOUNTER WE WE WE

Ted was a guy who at best was 65% right, at best.

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>>9034980
>>9034999

>>9032597
Anyone have an interpretation of that Frederick The Great quote beyond depression?

>>9035358
>He didn't read Pynchon, thus has no actual clue about technology, culture and the left

Please elaborate. Which works of Pynchon would have been useful to him?

I've only read The Crying of Lot 49.

>>9035568
You should have realized by now that guy's a memester

>>9034513
If you're proud of things you have no control over and haven't had to work for you should kys

>>9032620
>He began a new article, 'The Basic Problems of Jewry.' His parents stopped nagging

>>9032620

>'Capitalist swine!' He rounded on his heckler. 'Here is my purse,' he challenged. 'You show me yours. The one who has the most is the capitalist swine!' The miners and textile workers roared with laughter and allowed him to speak on."

rekt

>>9034648
thanks

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>>9035568
CoL 49 wouldn't be bad, but definitely GR, or even Inherent Vice.

If you've read Pynchon and come to Kacyznski, you're witnessing some edgy fuck getting played hard who only half understands what he's up against.

good thread

>>9034488
same

literally me

Can we get all the links to these mini-biographies?

>>9034999
Fuck being

>>9037687
They're probably all taken from the selected diaries/biographies written by Goebbels.

It wouldn't surprise me if a large amount of the info in his diaries was a forgery.
I mean, every "great" man ever was apparently a closet gay virgin psychopath with one ball and a scat fetish according to historians now.

I think they could have and possibly did, pull it off. Editing history to fit their narrative.

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>>9037726

they were probably jelly

>>9037736
Not necessarily jealous, they just read into things too much.
Plato so much as mentions another guy in a positive light and it apparently meant he was lubing himself up in olive oil and doing ass to mouth with 12 guys at once.

Seriously, google "Plato gay" and the first headline that pops up: "Were Socrates, Plato and Aristotle Gay?"
You can't make this shit up, unless you're a historian.

>>9037726
This
>yes goyim, all of the evil people in history were angry isolated virgins

>>9037859
Homosexuality was extremely common in Ancient Greece though

>>9037870
Nah, more "yes goyim, all of the classically great men were..."
Say what you want about Hitler, Goebbels, but they were nothing short of fucking genius.

>>9037873
Right... and Hitler had one ball and a scat fetish.
(Really though, they probably were, but it's still blown way out of proportion)

Make a Salinger thread OP

>>9037883

They wrote a great deal about having sex with young boys, and this fact has been well known for centuries, long before the PC police showed up. You would pretty much have to edit the entire bibliography of classical studies if you wanted to falsify the narrative, and if you were powerful enough to do that it would be simpler just to kill everyone you didn't agree with.

FWIW, by modern standards the Greeks weren't really gay, because they thought that it was shameful when adult men had sex with each other. As a culture, for reasons that I will never understand, they thought that pederasty was okay.

BREAKING NEWS:

Top Nazi propagandist Goebbels' secretary dies at 106

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38793048

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>>9037726
>>9037859
>Plato so much as mentions another guy in a positive light and it apparently meant he was lubing himself up in olive oil and doing ass to mouth with 12 guys at once.
Nah Plato was gay af
But as this guy said >>9038456 it was not only common but normal in Ancient Greece

>It wouldn't surprise me if a large amount of the info in his diaries was a forgery.
I mean, every "great" man ever was apparently a closet gay virgin psychopath with one ball and a scat fetish according to historians now.
That has some truth to it in general, but with Goebbels...
>5'5''
>scrawny af
>dyel tier
>limp
>pic related
I don't think they forged that much desu senpai

>>9038943
Surprisingly however Goebbels was perhaps the biggest womanizer in the Nazi inner circle, despite being a virgin for so long.

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>>9032234

>tfw no divine legged german gf to serenade, walk with in the black forest and discuss classical archeology with.

>>9038993
Makes me think about the post earlier where he was fretting about if the others thought he was gay.

That, in combination with being in the "cool crowd" for the first time in his life. OK, not the best way to call it, but consider he was giving speeches to thousands of cheering fans, his peers all respected him, he had thugs, underlings, and toadies that did his bidding; this is a stark contrast to his solitary, put-upon childhood through his twenties.

He had the confidence-booster of a lifetime, was still a solitary soul at heart, and knew that his inexperience and no gf status looked gay to his peers--all of whom advocated the death penalty for fags.

he was putting on a show.

I'm NOT saying he was gay. I'm saying he was making a show of his newfound ability and confidence to hit on girls; not only for reasons of pride but also for practical, professional reasons.

>>9038728
how timely of her to do it while this thread was still live

>>9032026
I remember that thread, OP is appreciated

>>9037859
aristotle says in the nicomachean ethics that male homosexuality, (along with people who chew their nails and eat dirt) are all compulsive degenerates

and he gives some reasons for why there is male homosexuality (one of them being that they were molested when young)

so i dont think homosexuality was that common or that widely accepted

>>9032637
holy fucking hell he was a manlet
literally midget, a real life oompa loompa

Great thread OP, thanks a lot. I didn't know Goebbels had it so harsh during his formative years.

Very interesting; definitely reading your other threads later.

>read that shit about anka
>oh wow this is really cute
>she cucks him

/r9k/ was right.

>>9031886
Are there any more notes, OP?

Or is this thread over?

>>9039325
How tall are you?

>>9040297
Always 2cm taller than you

>>9040362
I'm taller than you though.

>>9040368
But not as tall as me

>>9040429
You're a big guy

>>9039210


As someone who experienced a similar life to goebbels in the loneliness and isolation and not being able to fit in when i was younger, while simultaneously worshipping a women or 2 simply for being women and desiring the female sex, and then gaining more confidence later and even though i place more of an emphasis on emotional then physical i think i understand why he womanized, with sexuality probably being such a big part of his upbringing simply owing to the fact he never was able to experience it, leading to a lifelong obsession.

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>nazi high command consisted of a bunch of beta weakjawline, sexually frustrated r9k tier manlets with daddy/mommy issues.

Really makes you think.

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I'm Jewish and Goebbels is my favorite Nazi.

>>9040999
Where did you save this from?

>>9031895
Sounds like my dad

>>9039232
B- but, muh narrative!

>>9033478
>The opinion that art should have nothing to do with politics is itself a political attitude.

Not everything that appears contradictory is doublespeak, friendo.

>>9031886

>>9040800
F O R

>>9043028
Y O U

>>9034967
wow really made me think. Glad to see that money you spent on a psychology degree isn't going to waste.

>>9032432
Yeah, one of the greatest propagandists and politically minded people of all time misinterpreted Nietzsche but you've got him all worked out.

>>9040297
>>9040362
>>9040368
>>9040429
>>9040800
>>9043028
>>9043363
Beautiful work lads

OP here. The next thread like this will be about Adolf Hitler's experience in the First World War.

>what his role was
>how his comrades perceived him

etc.

>>9043617
Keep 'em coming mate!

>>9043617
Keep it up, I really enjoy your threads.

>>9043617
Do Salinger, you cunt. Fuck the mustache guy.