>be theologian >be taken seriously while you make up dozens

Planning to apply to Catholic seminary if I fail with my application for Philosophy.
This is going be pretty fun, cause deep down I am atheist.

>>9021187
how hard is it to join a church? might just do it for shits

>>9021197
For applying you have to fake your shit to show that you are truly a devout, and you truly believe god, and that you have been converted or even had visions.
Then they will check your exam results, and get you in if they are ok with them (they are).
Then 5 years of studying Bible (or other Holy Book), pretty much student life (but have to wake up each day at 5 AM).
And then you can read books and be assured that you are 'set for life', probably better choice would be joining not-catholic, cause Celibate.

>>9021187
>if I fail with my application for Philosophy

Unless you apply to Cambridge or Yale, philosophy is among the easiest majors to get into. They only check your English and national language grades from high school exams and that's it.

t. Philosophy undergrad.

>>9021229
For me they require minimum 80% from everything I will write on my national exam (that being advanced maths, advanced philosophy, advanced english (actual easiest of them all).
t. a Polack trying to get to medicore UK Philosophy course

>>9021182
>Be theologian
>try to derive doctrine from applying standards of logic to revelation and tradition
>centuries later some autistic faggot on /lit/ accuses you of just making shit up

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>>9021248
Sounds rough. Which university you're applying to?

I've actually decided to approach getting into British universities with an easier strategy - get undergrad degree here in Latvia with all A level ECTS grades(9 or 10. That's 4.00 GPA for you, Americans) and only then apply for Master's degree in top-tier British uni like Oxford or Cambridge. Considering how everyone in my country is completely incompetent and uninterested in subject besides me, so far this has been piss easy, as you can see on the picture. I would imagine that applying straight from the high school gets extreme amounts of competition, I did not even really bother with it.

>>9021187
>>9021197
>Undermine one of the pillars of Western society

Fucking parasites.

>>9021279
>revelation
>making shit up
Pretty much.

>>9021293
Birmingham, UCL, SOAS, Aberdeen, Edinburgh.
SOAS wants 80% overall from Matura.
Birmingham same.

>>9021330
>Revealed knowledge
>making shit up

Nigger what? Revelation is accompanied by signs to verify it.

We have genuine, scientifically verified miracles to attest to the resurrection being a real event.

http://www.strangenotions.com/is-the-shroud-of-turin-a-genuine-miracle/

>>9021330
well, interpreting revelation is not the same as claiming you are receiving revelation. perhaps, and it is a common-place "argument", that Paul, Muhammad, and others, were indeed making shit up. Theologians, usually, don't do that.

>>9021368
>shroud of Turin
yeah, it would certainly be a miracle if cloth from 2000 years ago could be carbon-dated as less than 1000 years old.

>>9021182
you think you're making a joke here, but literary theory and hermeneutics absolutely had their origins in the study of sacred texts, and literary theory resembles mysticisms

>>9021409
Most tests date the cloth to around the time of Christ.

>>9021440
I'd be thrilled if you could tell me about these tests, seeing as how nobody else in the world knows about them.

The only test that I know of that was "positive, according to Wikipedia
>[has] been publicly disregarded by Mgr. Cesare Nosiglia, archbishop of Turin and custodian of the shroud.

>>9021368
What the fuck is it with religion that makes people this retarded

It's not that easy anon

>>9021312

>implying the catholic clergy is/has ever been devout

being an agnostic is basically a requirement to get beyond bishop

>>9021508
Care to support this claim?

>>9021187

If true you're wasting your time because you're going to wash out hard. But if you want to spend the next 8 years in school pretending to be something you're not then have fun.

>>9021465
>according to Wikipedia

Found the fag.

http://www.lastampa.it/2013/03/26/vaticaninsider/eng/inquiries-and-interviews/new-experiments-on-shroud-show-its-not-medieval-BcGirYkQTPTiC5nP1t27eM/pagina.html

>>9021479
What is it about atheism that makes people this obtuse and adolescent.

>>9021557
>Vatican Insider
not biased at all

>>9021557
>Found the fag.
Heaven forbid I use a source that isn't dominated by Catholics.

>>9021563
>>9021579
>I'm too lazy to read the article. Or check the sources for myself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/shroud-of-turin-real-jesus_n_2971850.html

>>9021361
80% from advanced maths is not so difficult unless you're really lazy or you're in shitty liceum
>t. fellow Polack

Itss like dbz fans making theories about powerlevels.

>>9021595
Yeah, I looked at that. That was the same study that the fucking bishop who is caretaker of the shroud said was bullshit >>9021465

>>9021516
Most of German clergy atm isn't devout, Cardinal Casper essentially doesn't believe in God at all. Most of Francis supporters in the clergy are like that, they are actively trying to transform the Church into an NGO of sorts.
>>9021579
Is there a large non Catholic interest in Catholic miracles that I'm not aware of that pays for research on this stuff?

>>9021717
>Is there a large non Catholic interest in Catholic miracles
Probably not. I'm not complaining about the research being funded by the RCC, in fact I wish they would fund more research into miracles (of course they won't because they know it will lead to more being debunked, which means more disillusioned followers which means fewer dollars in the collection basket).

I just don't want to get the *interpretation* of the research from a source that is so clearly biased.

>>9021739
They have an entire institute for research of various miracles in Germany where they almost exclusively hire atheists.

>>9021771
Well if the evidence were so compelling, they wouldn't be able to hire people twice since they'd all convert!

>>9021822
The evidence isn't read by people and even if convincing and hypothetically true is too ideological and radical that it would be insane to assume people would accept it just like that.

how did this thread start with an edgy atheist post and end with the polar opposite retarded bible thumper posts

"scientifically proven miracles" kek

>>9021837
"Scientifically proven" in this case means "no current widely accepted scientific explanation". See: God of the gaps.

>>9021209
>Catholic seminary admitting someone because of visions
This is ridiculous. In real life they would send you to a Catholic hospital for a pysch evaluation

>>9023619
Most people with visions hide them, especially early on like st Faustina and Padre Pio.

>>9021368

>We have genuine, scientifically verified miracles

>>9021835

>even if convincing and hypothetically true is too ideological and radical

I love the humanities.

>>9023982
I don't, I hate them.
But as things are and were and probably will be, people believe what they want to believe as far as worldviews go, whatever doesn't fit it is rejected or transformed into something that does. How is this something humanities related? A nazi will always find enough reasons to claim that niggers are naturally inferior, a Catholic will always be open to the possibility of the supernatural, the Marxist will indefinitely find excuses for why every communist country was a shithole and every naturalist will reject metaphysics. It's very easy to grasp, even for new polfags such as yourself.

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>>9021279
This.

>>9021673
The caretaker made a statement disregarding studies generally in response to that new study that dated it to around the first century.

>study gets results that side with a religion
>religious guy brushes it up the rug and you just side with him

>>9021894
It actually does not.
The term is oxymoronic.