"Don Quixote and Sancho get their asses beat LOL"

>>8941090
superficial reader

The 2nd part is generally considered superior by critics (more profound, etc), but I personally thought the whole book incredible.

>>8941090
I gave up on this repetitive shit when I was at page 100 something. Not funny. I regret wasting my money on this Tom and Jerry tier crap.

Ebin thread

>>8941106
Superficial how? I'm reading the book slowly and carefully. I am analyzing Dong Quixote and Sancho's characters as I go along. I actually think the book's pretty good, solid 7/10 so far, but I don't think I can handle 700 pages of this. What am I missing?

>>8941148
You berate it then say it's Tom and Jerry tier. You seem conflicted. Maybe just dumb.
I don't mind you saying DQ is bad, but it's nothing but silly to say that of TaJ.

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>>8941158
>Dong Quixote

>>8941163
That's a big cat.

>>8941090
I felt it could have been about 200 pages shorter.

>>8941166
4u

>>8941158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-D0iXLZWO0&list=PLBD9EC777A7CD519D

these get posted often and I think they are a good introduction to understand DQ

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>>8941163
That's a nice girl.

I'm a little over 300 pages and loving it. The slapstick shit and absurdity is really funny, and the more serious subplots (like Cardenio, the man who was recklessly curious, etc.) are really good too.

Its also just an extremely light and entertaining read thus far. I'm hoping it gets more "profound" in part 2, which is what I hear, but its still very broadly enjoyable in part 1.

>>8941090
No lie, it takes a while to get better. The inset stories are what make it worthwhile, especially the one about the guy escaping moorish country.

>>8941226
OP here, thank you. That intro video helped a lot, I'm going to read the novel in a different way now.

>>8941226
Also, where can I learn of things like "perspectivism"? I know about concepts like that, concepts like "different perspectives = different realities", but I don't know the words for them or what philosophy has to say about them. I understood the point of the "basin/helmet" scene, but I couldn't really analyze it in-depth because I don't even have an entry-level knowledge of this stuff.

>>8941226
nice videos, thanks.

>>8941226

well that just convince me not read it. apparently its just a commentary of its times disguised in fantastic elements.

>>8943791
What did you think that it was going to be?

>>8941226

>4 two page papers
>midterm
>take home final

Is this a junior/senior level course?

Well stop fucking reading it as an adventure novel and pay attention to the metafictional elements.

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>>8941090
Yes it does, the second part is, in my opinion, way better. I don't undestand how you don't enjoy the "mise en abyme". Then again, you are reading a Spanish masterpiece in English.

I read Don Quixote last year and it took me quite some time, but overall it was an enjoyable read. It did feel a bit long-winded at times, so I do understand where OP is coming from, especially if he's doing it for pleasure reading and not obligated to.

>>8944298
The second part is the inferior part, all the heavy lifting of the creation of Don Quixote and Sancho Panza and the cultivation of the core thematic elements happens in the first book. While the second part is far more well structured, it's really just Cervantes unloading on the fans of the first book and the false sequel. It essentially breaks that wonderful self contained creative seal of the first book in order to say "you've all been reading it wrong" for 500 pages.

La libertad, Sancho...

just read an in depth summary online, if youre hating it youre reading for bragging rights so...just cheat

>>8944330
Yeah this is right. There's not much in the second part that isn't an explication of something in the first part, or a dig at folk for misreading the first part etc. So it's great the whole way through, but the second part can just feel like a bit of a rerun at times. But then the story is awesome anyway so
I guess for first time readers it's good to try and look for where Cervantes is mocking the don and where he is satirising Spain, and how he moves between doing both at different times for different reasons. Also how the relationship between Sancho and the don changes, and what this does. Also if you wanna get more of a feel for its heavy literary credentials, google about why people consider it to be one of the first examples of postmodernism, so you can be aware of the metafictional elements and their implications when they come up

>>8941163
I bet she get's on all fours for it.