How do I come up with a high concept for a novel? I'm tired,

Invent a world where the central conflict isn't about a teenager fighting a simplified, obvious force of evil while learning things about what it means to be a mature adult. If you insert a love interest, have it be accessory to the plot and not central, and describe romantic feeling in a sophisticated way. Then it will not be YA

Rip off shit you like and add a different coat of paint.

Why do Redditors crave being an intellectual so bad? Why can't they just be honest and write simple and comfy stories that they actually enjoy along with everyone else? How do we cure pretentiousness, /lit/?

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Write with purpose. All great novels is the author arguing something with themes which are expressed through characters, plot, setting, metaphor, etc. If you just start writing without knowing what you want to say the work will have no cohesiveness. Lets say for instance that I want to write about the theme of encountering death. In this theme I can explore mortality, grief, birth, and literally anything else if you can make it relevant somehow. So I want to communicate this idea alright how do i do it though? Well how about writing about a man who works at a cemetery at night? If you want to go further with this just play with metaphor. Who does he know and what are they like? Do they like the fact that he works at a cemetery? Why or why not?mor Does he like the fact that he works at a cemetery? Why or why not? What kind of a cemetery is it?
How did he get the job? So if i wanted to communicate something about mortality maybe i'd say he inherited the job from his father, who inherited it from his father. Does that make sense? Basically you want to make sure every part of what you write has some sort of purpose.

>>8870029
I would argue that it's a 4chan-specific sensibility to crave intellectualism, redditors seem very comfortable with being plebs. I don't know what ideology is more malignant, at least if you're always striving for something that will be seen as great, you might reach something at least in the right direction, whereas if you're fine with just reading in your comfy box you'll just fester as a happy dumb person. You're happy, but willfully stupid

>>8869951
Think

>>8869951
Don't.

You can't anyway. I can tell.

>>8870040
>All great novels is the author arguing something with themes which are expressed through characters, plot, setting, metaphor, etc.

Utter horseshit

Just write about how sad you are

Write a political thriller about internet neo nazi occultists, the likes of fringechan.

Be sure to rope in the FBA, NSA, imageboards, messageboards, Russian hackers, child pornographers, career hackers, unwatched unappreciated youtube videos, and decade old blogs containing forgotten stories of sublimity.

>>8870029

This >>8870057
4chan feels special because here we are all "redpilled". We "know" the truth of the world and want to show it in a subtle way.

>>8869951
Tbh senpai. Read more and think more. Just write what you would want to read.

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>>8871490
Whenever you have a story with characters you have the exploration of values which are entirely subjective. Prove me wrong tho if you can

start with the greeks

>>8872249
Because the work can express a message without the author ever consciously intending to communicate it

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>>8872260
So the work communicates something, even if the author does not intend it to. This being the case, the ones who are aware that it can communicate something do so and write great novels. I think what you're trying to say is that an author can write something without wanting to express specific themes but that's impossible since you can't not explore value in fiction. Characters has motivations and conflicts because of what they believe in, and the source of these ideas is the author.

>>8872348
>Characters has motivations and conflicts because of what they believe in, and the source of these ideas is the author.

Yes but the author may not decide from the outset how this interaction of values will develope and conclude.

My point is that the post above said that the OP should "think of a message", but I don't think thats how most if any great writers approach starting a work.

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> an author can write something without wanting to express specific themes but that's impossible since you can't not explore value in fiction.

There's a difference between conscious strategy and unexplored assumptions. If I decide to write "Conan Kills Everything in Fourscore and Seventeen Hectometers and Romantically Sodomizes Seven Underage Wenches" it doesn't mean I'm deliberately making a complex moral statement: I just know what my audience wants. Of course any fiction has themes and values of some sort, but--like the wenches--they needn't be coherent or fully developed.

Take LSD and browse /pol/ for the first 4 hours then a botanical garden for the rest.

Plebs will think I'm lyin