1. Anyone who thinks Nietzsche is an optimistic, life affirming

>>8858798
>Prove me wrong
Why tho?

>>8858798
Disclaimer: I'm a pseud who hasn't read everything by FN

You're on the right track except for 3. The herd can adopt a new morality that the creators of morality design.

there never has been, and never will be a real life example of the ubermensch

but i thought this was the point?

>>8858836
>who is Goethe
>who is Socrates

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>>8858798
>Not living in a respectful rivalry with Nietzsche, him being the ultimate Dionysian and yourself trying to become the ultimate Apollinian
pleb

>>8858831
However, the adoption of a morality by the herd that someone else made would not allow for the self-mastery that Nietzsche says leads to the Dionysian rejoicing that conteracts nihilism. When i say nihilistic, I mean more the nihilism that Nietzsche talks about, the hatred of life and inability to separate humanity from other animals caused by Darwinism

>>8858852
You do know that Nietzsche's final conception of the Dionysian includes both the initial conception of both the Dionysian and the Apollonian, right

>>8858798
My professor, who has us reading about ideology right now, said that analytic philosophy has begun to use nietzsche in their writings. Is this true or is he as deluded as I believe him to be?

>>8858798
On (1), not really because his philosophy is still life affirming even for those who aren't themselves ubermensch. For example:

"We may be quite justified in retaining our fear of the blond beast at the centre of every noble race and remain on our guard: but who would not, a hundred times over, prefer to fear if he can admire at the same time, rather than not fear, but thereby permanently retain the disgusting spectacle of the failed, the stunted, the wasted away and the poisoned?"

That's relevant to anyone, potential ubermensch or not. And, by his lights, it's life-affirming.

>>8858798
Didn't Nietzsche say that no one that has existed fits the description of ubermensch perfectly and that there will not be one till way in the future and that we should still strive towards regardeless. A sort of acceptance of inferiority yet still carrying on in defiance of that fact.

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>>8858798

>1. Anyone who thinks Nietzsche is an optimistic, life affirming philosopher is deluded because they think this because they believe that they themselves are ubermensch and capable of achieving the level of self-mastery needed to becoming one

You're conflating life affirmation in general with the ubermensch. They are not one in the same.

>2. Nietzsche's solution to nihilism only applies to a very select few, and yet almost everyone who reads Nietzsche and follows him believes that they are that select few

Nietzsche considered nihilism to be a universal problem - a problem for all humanity. I suspect you don't know what Nietzsche means by "life affirmation", "saying 'yes' to life" and so on. Regarding the rabble, for example, it is simply a case of keeping them oblivious to anything that would have them "saying 'no' to life." This is why he was so suspicious of Socialism/Anarchism/etc, for example - it taught the herd (working class/labourers/etc) to be dissatisfied with life, and to express that fact. In short, to say 'no' to life as they knew it. For the aristocrats, however - by which he meant 'Great Men', 'Geniuses' and so on, he felt it was more a case that they should actively affirm life - as in, say 'yes' to life'. I could go on, but I won't.

>3. Nietzsche, despite what these deluded "followers" of Nietzsche believe, is a nihilistic, negative philosopher for most of humanity.

He recognized that fact himself. Don't accuse him of something he freely admitted. The beginning of Thus Spoke Zarathustra sees Zarathustra learning that it is pointless to proclaim his message to the rabble - and that he should limit it to his "fellow creators." Take the hint. In one of his aphorisms, he actually wishes every kind of pain/misfortune/etc upon those who profess to follow him - namely because he deems suffering to be the true test of his philosophy.

>4. After growing up and realizing that they are unable to become ubermensch, do not have the strength of will to achieve self mastery, the followers of Nietzsche usually begin to disregard him and think of him as childish, immediately thinking of Nietzsche's philosophy as bad, and his mindset immature, instead of admitting their inability to succeed in it.

People say this sort of thing all the tie. The whole idea that Nietzsche is popular chiefly with college students/pseuds/etc is wrong - or at the very least outdated. Nowadays he's very unpopular and associated with the Nazis/etc - in Europe at least.

>5. Almost everyone who goes through a Nietzsche "phase" is a childish deluded narcissist, unable to gain a mature acceptance of their irreversible inferiority, at all stages of their development.

See above.

>>8858798
Why is there that so many talk about nietzsche when they haven't read him?

>>8859028
This.

We should really make a nietzsche pasta and everytime someone who haven't read nietzsche comments on nietzsche, we post the pasta

Eh.

I like Nietzsche enough without actually thinking his philosophy is right for most people.

I take every philosopher or thinker as a source of ideas, some of which I accept and some I reject.

I believe Nietzsche had some good ideas on the nature of resentment, the origins of conscience, the relation of consciousness to instincts, the role of power in moral negotiations, and the limitations of language and metaphor.

This is what I took from Nietzsche. I don't see him as some guide to everything, just a writer who said some stuff I found useful.

>>8858798
none of those comments apply to me so why should i care about what you write

>>8859569
Pls dont tell me u smjust translated resentiment to "Resentment"

>>8858798

1. The Birth of Tragedy is his most important work. The rest of his ouvre is defense of its central thesis, namely that Socratism is degenerative while Dionysianism is generative.

2. Trying to enforce this or that particular reading of what should be DONE with this thesis is Socratism of the highest order.

>>8858798
Isn't the point of Nietzsche's works to create the ubermensch, not be it? I could already tell that from the beginning of Thus Spoke Zarathustra when he talks with the tight rope walker.

>>8858798
Wow, he does not fit in that outfit. Holy shit, poor Nietzsche, he was such a fucking nerd and so desperate to be noble or 'aristocratic' or whatever he actually went insane so he could be the hero in his fantasy world paradigm. I honestly feel bad for his poor syphilitic soul.