>reading Homer >find this passage So /r9k/ basically got

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>>8847892
FUCKING CHADS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8847892
>the hottest girls
Is this Fitzgerald?

>>8847898
Yeah, I think that was an oddity within his trnslation though

>>8847892
It can't be. What chapter?

>>8847892
/r9k/ is much more pathetic. See >>8847896

>>8847903
Middle of Book II

>>8847892
That's the guy Odysseus beats with a stick for being such a shit

>>8847892
>>8847896

Anyone read Troilus and Cressida? Shakespeare's Thersites is a cool guy.

>>8847892
Which line is this?

>>8847892
Kek. That chad Odysseus even beats him up afterward.

>>8847916
he's even more insane in that version

>>8847898
>Ἀτρεΐδη τέο δ᾽ αὖτ᾽ ἐπιμέμφεαι ἠδὲ χατίζεις;
>πλεῖαί τοι χαλkοῦ kλισίαι, πολλαὶ δὲ γυναῖkες
>εἰσὶν ἐνὶ kλισίῃς ἐξαίρετοι, ἅς τοι Ἀχαιοὶ
>πρωτίστῳ δίδομεν εὖτ᾽ ἂν πτολίεθρον ἕλωμεν.
From my limited Greek, the adjective agreeing with γυναῖkες is πολλαὶ, which, though it could mean "best" or "valuable" might also just mean "many". "Hottest" really is a stretch.

>>8847937
Within the lines 144-202 of Book II

>>8847940
>he's even more insane in that version

>implying he's not the most sane character in the play

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>>8847892
Here's the same passage translated by Fagles

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>>8847990

I flipped it for you. Please don't do this again.

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>>8848000
You forgot to shrink, frame it and convert to png

>>8848003
>literally says "baiting the kings"

>>8848003

:(

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>>8848000
Sorry lad. I forgot that pictures get flipped when you upload them directly from your phone.
Here's the second part. I also tried to make this one a bit smaller.

>>8848006
>ἐριζέμεναι βασιλεῦσιν
literally is 'contesting the kings'.
Sorry anon.

>>8848037
Clearly Fagles was divinely inspired

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>>8848039

>>8847951

correct or not, it reads nicely

>>8848056
I think the irritation is that it sounds too modern which is silly

>>8848056
I find it jarring, throwing in a vulgar term like that.
>but Thersites is a vulgar individual
But Homer doesn't have him speak with a more vulgar vocabulary than anyone else (from what I can tell).
It's irritating.

REEEE 4REEER NORMIES GETY HTE FUCK OUT OF MY GREEK EPIC POERTY FUYCK I HATE YOU

>>8848083
If it was anyone but Thersites I'd agree, he's special

>>8848093
The point is, though, he's -not- special. His Greek isn't crass, why should his English be?

>implying he's wrong

>>8847951
>it could mean "best" or "valuable" might also just mean "many"
So obviously "bootylicious", which conveys both high worth and large mass.

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>>8848071
>sounds too modern

Lockerroom talk is not a modern invention anon

You think ol bow legged grunt soldier Thersites was making poetry? He was complaining about giving all the hot bitches worth fucking to king fuckboi.

>>8848056
no it doesn't

>there are people who think the characters in The Iliad were conscious

>>8848193

Please elaborate

>>8848198
They hadn't broke down their bicameral minds.

>>8848198
link btw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_%28psychology%29

I'm reading Jaynes's book now. I'm a few chapters in and he has already convinced me that my conception of consciousness is flawed.

>>8848217
Sounds like /sci/ tier plebshit

>>8848229
It's psychology, probably the least "/sci/" science.

what did Homer mean by having Thersites there? was he meant to be pathetic through and through, just an embodiment of negativity, or sympathetic?

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>>8848193
>there are """"people"""" who """""think""""" that anyone except me is conscious

>>8848238
He was a metaphor for Jewish people, attempting to rile up the goys with Leftist rhetoric

>>8848248
This is actually the first thing that came to my mind when I first read the Iliad. jesus fucking christ.

>>8848249
Memes aside, it does seem like a prototype for the anti-semtic subversive

>>8848238
The Pope translation on Project Gutenberg had a footnote on that section. Basically, the point of Thersites is that, while Agamemnon was a dick, he's the king and should be treated not only with respect but as the commander-in-chief.

So even though Agamemnon is something of an antagonist at this point in the story, it would be wrong to overall take a stance against a king.

>>8848238
It's an open question.
>>8848258 is only one answer.
IIRC, Thersites' complaints are pretty much the same as Achilles', which sets up a contrast.

He sounds pretty Thersite for pussy

>>8847951
no, it's conveying the ἐξαίρετοι, meaning "chosen" or more likely in this case, "choice". but yeah it's an awful translation

>>8847892
>hottest girls

go find a better translation, anon

>>8849019
>finest fuckmeat

>>8849055
Does no one else ever get off to fantasies of Homeric society?

>>8848217
>The hypothesis is generally not accepted by mainstream psychologists.

You don't even have to read past the first paragraph to find that your tv show theory is garbage.

>>8849019
>many of the moistest mademoiselles
>numerous nut-draining nereids
>an abundance of bitches plus buxom Briseis
Fagless, Fitzgoy and Latinewhore can kiss my pasty ass.

>>8848238

Like another poster said, he could be there to show that Agamemnon is overlord and ought to be respected.

My personal view of it is that it shows that the Iliad is driven by might-makes-right (note how Agamemnon knows he is not able to overcome Achilles' impudence by might, and so leaves him fuming in his hut). Odysseus beats Thersites with the speaking stick—the very thing that is supposed to be representative of civil discussion in the agora where the public gives a voice to their views of a debate. If anyone doubts this, look at what Odysseus does after beating Thersites. I'd love to hear other interpretations, or comments on mine if anyone has anything to share.

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>>8848248
>>8848249
>>8848252

/pol/bot discusses literature with himself

>>8849480
disturbing indeed

>>8849480
That was me and I'm not the least bit /pol/, its observing the same idea of "Ugh look at this being trying to disturb the social order, look how ugly and pathetic he is, how could one agree with him"

>So /r9k/ basically got featured in the Iliad
is /r9k/ like /leftypol/, that finds selling women as commodities, or wars over commodities objectionable?

>>8847951
I don't actually know Greek, but I know enough about classics to know that "valuable" would be a pretty good way to put it, since she's literally property.

>>8849618
>That was me
This guy is full on retarded.

>>8849248
Most breakthrough theories aren't accepted by the mainstream for some time.

Freud was generally accepted by mainstream psychologists, but isn't any more.

>>8850776
Yeah but Freud was correct and mainstream psychologists are garbage

>>8847892
Thersites represents the same group of people that /r9k/ is a containment board for. His kind have existed since the dawn of man, always green with envy over what everyone else has. Even if Thersites had everything he thought he'd want, he'd complain about how someone else's slave-woman was slightly more lively than his own, or how a comrade's looted diamonds shined a little more than his.

Jealousy is a powerful emotion and the Illiad tries to portray it by limiting it to one soldier. He is the archetypal /r9k/ poster personified.

>>8851723
Going off of what I just posted, the reactions of other characters towards Thersites represents what Homer thought the ideal action against the envious was. He is condemned and beaten by the leaders.