/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

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>>8795745

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>>8795754

Deadhouse gates never felt bleak to me.

And it turned out mostly ok for so many of the characters.

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>>8795761

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>>8795767

Any opinions on Paolo Bagicalupi? I like his short stories, they've got a dystopian Philip K Dick kind of feel.

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>>8795774

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>>8795781

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Das Chart

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>Gandalf still has not arrived to take me on an adventure

WHAT THE FUCK, YOU BEARDED OLD FAGGOT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8795848

Is Revelation Space actually good?

>>8795776
The Windup Girl is good (2009); I enjoyed the post-electrical-grid dystopian setting as well as the Thai locale. I haven't read his short stories, but I seem to recall reading that Pump Six shares the same fictional world as The Windup Girl. Not sure though.

I recently read The Water Knife (2015), which isn't bad either, but in my opinion not quite as good as The Windup Girl — recommended if you enjoy his writing, but I would get The Windup Girl first.

What do you guys think of F. Paul Wilson? I picked up The Tomb by him and thought it was decent but was technically part of 2 different stories of his intertwining and was wondering if it's worth it to pick more up if I'm gonna be going through near 10 books

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>>8795890
I'll start with Wind Up Girl then. Thanks anon!

>>8795494
Gray Moon Over China, Thomas A. Day. Read it so I'm not alone in my suffering.

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Is there a book where the main character is an unnamed rank and file soldier? Which one?

>>8795955
You could try Fifteen Hours by Michael Scanlon, it's a Warhammer 40K book and you -might- need some basic understanding of the setting but it's a standalone story about how much it sucks to be part of the Imperial Guard in a shitty wartorn future

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>>8795975
>Warhammer 40K book

>>8795890
>>8795776
All I've read was Ship Breaker and I absolutely loved it, but it wasn't as depressing as his other books. Haven't read those because I've heard they're downers.

>>8795856
>not becoming the Gandalf
only 2 1/2 years left for me

>>8795955
>unnamed main characters
But Johnny Rico is pretty rank-and-file. Probably try looking for more SFF by WWII veterans.

>>8795986
Yeah, I know
W40K is dumb as hell and is ruled by cool but 15 Hours is still a solid gritty scifi read. I didn't get any of the "Haha this is fucking ridiculous" tone I get from any of the other good Black Library shit, one of the few solid good ones
That being said anon if you don't read it I hope you find what you're looking for

>>8796010
40k has so many books authored by so many different writers that the law of averages guarantees that some of them will be readable. I read the Gaunt's Ghost and Eisenhorn series when I was a teen and I remember liking them. No idea how they'd hold up to me now.

Anyone read David Gemmell? What's his best work supposed to be?

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>>8795955

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>>8796053

>>8795955
The Red Badge of Courage.

>>8795989
I wouldn't consider the two novels I've mentioned downers per se. That said, both books are fairly dystopian, so plenty of suffering, environmental collapse, and bleak outlooks. Not more than usual for the genre though.

>>8796044
Legend

>>8795857
In my subjective opinion, yes. One of my favorites.

Does anybody know where I can get Ted Chiang's Story of Your Life? Can't find it anywhere online.

>The Unholy Gonsult :DDDD

so when's it coming out?

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>>8796010

>You will follow orders. You will keep your eyes and ears open. You will watch your comrades’ backs, just as they will watch yours. But most of all, there will be no heroics. No fool-hardiness. No unnecessary risks. This is Broucheroc, Larn. There are no heroes here: the orks keep killing them.

Hey cosmerefag, does hoid have a shard?
Is he a god? He knows all the shards.

>>8795955
IIRC the first Paksenarrion series starts out with the main character running away to be a soldier, though the rest of the series is more epic fantasy in nature.

In the Back Company books Croaker is the company's surgeon. So not quite a officer but not quite a line soldier. Cook's Instrumentalities of the Night series also has a main character who starts out as a soldier and ends up getting sent to spy while posing as a mercenary.

Most of the viewpoint characters in the Hammer's Slammers stories are either enlisted soldiers or lower-rank noncoms/officers at the tip of the spear.

The Shadow Empires series has two viewpoint characters who respectively start out as a infantryman (cough) and a lower-rank officer who's ended up in command because everybody over him got themselves killed.

What are this month's new fantasy releases?

hey NYfags. What's the best place to sit and read this time of year? Somewhere indoors and public with a big west-facing window and nice urban scenery

>>8796044
Morningstar was kind of retarded but still very entertaining for a standalone.

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>>8796486
Like 6 months or so

>Braise da Logos :DDD

>>8796767
>IIRC the first Paksenarrion series starts out with the main character running away to be a soldier, though the rest of the series is more epic fantasy in nature.
Paks is:
Book one: Entirely military, Paks is at most a file leader. Has a big set piece outside of military formation but it's still believable and very low magic military.
IIRC the most magic is Paks not dying to a magic user but she's still useless against them

Then Book 2: Is outside of military, paladin (so magic) training and heroic struggle
Book 3: Being a Paladin, but it all ties back into her military days

Author is ex-military so she creates a very believable military life of the characters even if her irl experience is modern so there's little direct comparison.

Each book's about 800 pages so it's a fair whack of rank and file soldier stuff before it goes into a more standard fantasy story.

>>8795955
This might apply

Bloundsounders arc has the mc being a completely untrained writer who is there observing characters doing fighting rather than doing it themselves.

So if your interest is purely in them not being the heroic focal point it might apply

Although I wouldn't heavily recommend it, it's very sub-black company. Also can't comment on the later books as I'm finishing up the first

>>8795995
>lvl 30 wizard in 2 and a half years
Are you gonna go out in a self sacrificial ritual?

Or are you gonna give all your sroted up mana to some witch, who in turn will use your own power against you?

>>8796993
Just a wizard, not a double wizard. Besides, Gandalf is only level 5. http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?7338-Gandalf-was-only-a-Fifth-Level-Magic-User!
And I'm gonna do what everyone should do, get married or try getting married harder s m h

>>8796794
Probably Starbucks desu, that's where the hipster trash usually goes.

>>8796911
Undying Mercenaries, but he gains the attention of others (superiors) novel after novel. It was a fun read desu.

>>8797023 for >>8795955

>>8795776
I read The Water Knife and found it had an unpleasantly modern the-climate-is-hurting-brown-people! vibe to it. But the ending was stronger than I thought it would be so I wound up forgiving it.

I might try the Wind Up Girl.

>>8797026
It's too late

The person you originally replied to now has to take that recommendation and read the entire series

>>8797007
Well I'm a lvl 26 wizard, and I don't plan on giving any witch my stored mana reserves.

>>8796764
nope, though it's implied he was present for the Shattering. he's from Yolen.

Any good action scifi set exclusively on a planet, at most with some travel between them?

I don't really like space stuff

>>8797043
Ahh that is why fuzz made 16 metals, to remind him that there are 16 shards.

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>>8797045
DON'T JUDGE ME.

Also Dogzard.

>>8797023
>bookz only has copies of the later books in the series right now
Posting this so I can check in the morning

>>8797017
starbucks are dark and crowded. Maybe I can go to the union square barnes and nobles, but I'll need to get a good seat

>>8795724
What is a medieval book with good court intrigue and manipulation. Maybe love?

Would prefer if told from woman's perspective

>>8795724

the "T's" and the blonde forward-thrusting facade of the figure's crown suggest Trump.

This is a good thing.

Simple question for you geniuses. What is the best fanatastic aspect that any respectable yaoi fiction must contain?

>>8797176
The mystical power of the dick.

>>8797084
>women in combat
Why does Baen allow this?

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>>8797176
Abnormal hands.

>>8797242
Baen allows chicks in combat, not sure about women

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Anybody read Edge Chronicles when they were a kid? I used to love that shit, but I've never met anyone else who's even heard of it.

>No updates on The Core for 11 months

ehh

>>8797246
Lol ridiculous. Something very subtle.

>>8797256
I recognise the name but I can't remember a single thing about it. I have the same thing with Deltora Quest, I suspect I've sustained brain damage at some point since then.

That moment when you find out that the *tugs her braid* meme is actually real.

What a shame. Totally drestroys the immersion.

>>8797256
That series was my shit. I love how there are like a dozen different species of goblin

>>8797275
I have no idea how Wheel gained popularity in the first place. It's not like anything sets it apart from the million other Tolkien clones.

>>8797311
Wheel set itself apart by not being anything like Tolkien.

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>>8795754
>>8795745

Where did these come from? I know it's Book of the New Sun but I was unaware there was a comic adaptation.

>>8797323
Shit, I thought book 3 was supposed to be one of the best. I can't stand those 3 bitches parts.

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what are some fantasy books where the story mostly follows the antagonist from their perspective?

>>8797374
Soon I Will Be Invincible.

>>8797378
is it unreasonable that i'm getting a dr horrible vibe from this

>>8797387
They're both supervillain stories, but SIWBI goes into a lot more depth with its characters, and also plays everything completely straight. No deconstruction here.

>>8797405
alright i might check it out, thanks

>>8797176
Tragedy.
Win the Hugos.
Be kawaii desu.

>>8797159
Women using their vaginas to manipulate men in power?

Plenty, someone will give you specific title.

>>8797084
I enjoy the shit out of that series.
Weber is a good mix with Ringo. He seems to tone down Ringo's jingoistic style.

>>8797378
I remember kinda liking this and hoping for a sequel with the diamond(?) lady.

>>8797246
Maybe he is a male seamen deamen, who absorbs souls from people's chest with his hands.
Maybe he is going to feed.

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>when you're looking for some obscure fantasy series but it would be more convent to just buy the paperbacks instead of dealing with converting some OCR'd HTML/PDF from the late 90s into a modern format because you can't just buy a ebook

I mean yeah I'd expect this from authors that published something and then disappeared like J.F Rivkin or Robert Frezza, but Stackpole not having a way to buy the DragonCrown books is just strange, especially when he's got older (non-starwars) books with kindle editions.

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>mfw I'm overflowing with exciting, original ideas but when I force myself to write it's like squeezing water from a rock

>>8797589
>Inatirg badly OCRaid 90s
> eloooks

> ////

>file://c:/Austin's Stuff/books/fantasy/dark fantasy/to_kill_a_god_by_stevian_heartbound.doc

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>retards who enjoy fantasy and science fiction somehow think manga, video games, and film are valid ways to present the genre
When will these fucking mongs realize every visual medium will succumb to style over substance that ekes the fantastic out of fantasy without the necessary soul?

>>8797604
stop you're triggering me

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>>8797624
>every medium
ftfy

>>8797634
Literature literally cannot be style over substance, unless you're James Joyce or some shit.

>>8796458
Someone answered you in the last thread you filthy fagget.

>>8797641
>literature cannot be style over substance unless it is
Anyway the Shannara books that aren't literally paint-by-numbers LotR are absolutely style-over-substance magic pew-pew CRAWLING IN MY SKIN soulless fantasy.

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>>8797604

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>>8797654

>ywn give consult a blowjob and swallow his black semen

>>8797023
The person you replied to rather than the one you meant to reply to here

I'm reading this and it's really fun
>battle stops for a bureaucratic argument about the rules of war
brilliant

>>8797007
>>8797040
plebs

>>8797704
If you're gonna shitpost at least put in the effort to learn his name.

>>8797654
Pew

Writing = not easy. Not easy, folks. It takes knowing people, genre, formulas and contemporary trends to write good genre fiction. And then it's not nearly enough. Intelligence - so important, so important. Cultivate it, don't disregard the awareness and attentiveness of your inner self, get rid of desire to succeed. Enjoy what you do for itself, watch it grow in the moment and love it as it is, like a mother raises a child - always bettering it, enriching it. There is nothing else that can grow and be anything other than weed if you don't let go of your desires and let it happen, let the world come true before your eyes, let your characters grow and be soulful. Be like a rose in the garden that you are comfortable with, content to be itself, to live and die happily knowing, accepting both, without distraction and illusions of what is actually not or what it should be. Drop every baggage and fly. Do this. There is a lot of good fantasy out there, but often its escapism, few things have souls of true literature. Few characters have spirits that you become familiar with.

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>>8797725
I'm trying my best, it's not easy.

>>8797802
Aurang is best consult.

>>8797256
Absolute gold. I convinced a guy here to read the first book a couple months ago, but I never heard from him again.

>>8797159
>>8797527

Demon Cycle series

>>8797604

It says it can't find the file, help

>>8797875
>good court intrigue
>demons cycle

Ahahahah.

>>8797878

Yes?
It has that, and manipulation, and a female PoV when she's doing it

>>8797881
Peter please. Your court intrigue is mediocre and Leesha is a garbage character. The only good thing about the series is the revenge boner that is never satisfactorily resolved.

>>8797891

>Leesha

I was talking about that muslim chick who sees the future

The Core never

>>8797159
I guess it's time to meme Feist/Wurts Empire trilogy again.

Is there a fantasy novel / series with stylistic writing, even bordering on purple?

>>8798090
What's meme about it? It's a legitimately good trilogy even if it came from questionable origins.

>>8798136
I can think of a couple authors who dip into purple prose on occasion, but they aren't consistent with it.

>>8797641
>Literature literally cannot be style over substance
Of course it can.

>>8797624
Spirited Away is better fantasy than any book tbqh.

>>8797646
Yeah, but like 3 hours after my post in this one. Thanks a lot though!

>>8797335

Innovation Publishing began to adapt The Shadow of the Torturer in the early 90s but it closed down before it was finished.

>>8798136
Orlando?
Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell?

>>8797256

I read some of them and liked them but for some reason never got around to going through them all

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Hey lads, can you rec some good horror sci fi short stories or novels?

>>8798438
The Jaunt by Stephen King
The Sandkings by George R.R. Martin

Just finished Pandora's Star. i really liked it desu the second book is in the post and should be here tomorrow. But, are the characters in the second book better? and is it as slow to start as the first one. The only characters i honestly liked and cared about are probably Ozzie, Tochee and Orion but i think that Adam the disillusioned socialist has some potential to be good. World building was pretty good but going from space battles to some fucker who owns a Vinyard felt a bit odd

>>8798136
There's loads.

>>8797707
By bv larson right?

>>8797159
>medieval
Probably GURM
If you want others, try Daniel Abraham price quartet

>>8798438
Roadside picnic
Metro 2033
Hull zero 3

>>8798625
Yeah, read the whole first book in one sitting.

Not really any big ideas outside of resurrection but I don't want big ideas from my scifi schlock I want good action.

>>8798651
You can try Neal Asher's shadow of the scorpion or w/e it's name. If you like that go to the agent cormac series.

>>8795763
Can't wait to reread it, as I couldn't really grasp the Chain of Dogs thingy until far into the book.
About the finish Stonewielder, then I'll start Dust of Dreams.

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>>8798136

Hodgson's "The Night Land".

>>8798136
For fantasy with purple prose as well as great art in the original editions there is Lord Dunsany, who uses the King James vernacular. The Gods Of Pegana is recommended.

>>8798438
SF and horror combined in shorter form - The Shadow Out Of Time by HP Lovecraft. Bodysnatching, time traveling aliens.

As well as The House On The Borderland by William Hodgeson, a journal of a man who fights pig-men at his home and then witnesses the end of the world in a time lapse.

As for my own reading I've finished Miller's A Canticle Of Leibowitz this weekend. It was more comic than had expected, which made the first two parts fly by breezily. All of the passages dealing with society's collapse and churches role in the painstaking preservation of knowledge are well done. However, the last part lacks the charm of the previous two; the repartee and clashes of intriguing characters (Francis, Dom Paulo,The Poet, Thon Thaddeo, The Old Jew) gives way to a climax that is more haphazardly written. Overall it is a worthy book which I am glad to add to my post-apocalyptic section, but in this niche I have yet to read anything better than Stewart's Earth Abides, another book which deals with the post-collapse transmission of knowledge, this time on an individual basis.

>>8798801
>However, the last part lacks the charm of the previous two; the repartee and clashes of intriguing characters (Francis, Dom Paulo,The Poet, Thon Thaddeo, The Old Jew) gives way to a climax that is more haphazardly written.
Fitting for a time period where they've rediscovered Modernism, isn't it?

>>8797256
Loved these, great mix of grimness and high-as-fuck fantasy, illustrations were cool too.

>>8797323
The first book is really reminiscent of Tolkien, agree with you after that though.

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Are there any books in print that collect some of the best pulp science fiction stories? I don't enjoy reading digital and I'd like to only read the cream of the crop.

>>8798811
The last part is certainly written in a different style, with the interview transcripts, and the frantic passages of the abbot and monk's thoughts. It ties up the rest of the book and has some allusions to the previous parts, but it became a chore to finish after the 250 page mark.

>>8797374
Anne Frank's Diary

>>8798643
Metro series is overrated.

How would you capture the feelings and elements from such great game titles like Kingdom Hearts or Legend of Zelda in a short story/Novel?

>>8798918

Okay take that antisemitism back to /pol/ why do you hate jews? What is wrong with you? What went wrong in your life to adopt such horrible beliefs.
I'm disgusted by you

>>8798965
Don't know about KH but for Legend of Zelda, you can capture that hyrule fields open world feeling by having enstablished trade and travel routes. The narrative doesn't have to follow someone travelling said routes but it helps.

>>8798990
Jew hating is a meme, you should know better.

>>8799007

Wow. just wow.

>>8799005
>you can capture that hyrule fields open world feeling by having enstablished trade and travel routes. The narrative doesn't have to follow someone travelling said routes but it helps.
That's a good idea. Thanks

>>8798140
Nothing. I actually like Feist in general, but Empire has been popping up here a lot recently.

>>8799007
I agree but this is not the place to discuss it. Either you're so eager to talk about it that you want to derail this thread or you're just baiting but please stop it.

>>8799013
A neat trick is to have characters talk about how 'everyone knows that the best X comes from Y' like it's common knowledge, I quite like when I see that. Also maps don't add much to making a world feel open.

Well Kaladin and Shallan's shouting match has got to be the cringiest dialogue I've ever read in all of SFF.

Does Sanderson has any idea how actual people talk to one another or is he pure disembodied autismspren?

>>8799105

yes

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>>8796764
>>8797043
Mostly right. We don't know for sure if he is a Splinter but he was present at the Shattering itself and knows all the original Vessels.

>>8797624
One Piece has a great story going on.

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>>8797624
>Why do other mediums play their strenghts instead of being more like books

Is The History of the Galaxy series by Andrey Livadny any good?

>>8797641
>Literature literally cannot be style over substance
Prose.

Many people will read a book if the prose is beautiful.

>>8797624
Visual mediums can have just as much substance as the written word.

>necessary soul
Buzzword.

>>8798136
Night's Master

If a trilogy becomes popular, will the author be forced to write more and expand on that series?

>>8799421
Depends on a million factors.

>>8799423
Name 10.

>>8799421
If it's incredibly popular, then basically yes. For example, if Tor could reanimate Robert Jordan i am quite sure that Wheel of Time would still be going strong.

If it's just moderately well received I don't know. It depends on how the house is doing.

>>8799441
So should authors plan for three books only or more just in case they win the lottery?

>>8799479
If you want big bucks I'd say plan for more just in case you hit it big. But if you have people really addicted after three books, you can peddle them any piece of shit afterwards so it hardly matters. What you should really focus on is making the beginning strong

>>8799421

I don't remember how many books Sapkowski originally planned to write for Witcher, but eventually he was pressured into writing more of it, because the publishing companies wouldn't take any of his other ideas, and he was very bitter about it, hence the gradual kill off of the main cast and the ending where Yennefer and Geralt die.

>>8799485
>>8799486
Alright. I was originally just planning for a trilogy since I could only come up with three Artifacts that have Old Gods based on some of the Seven Sins or other emotions locked away within them that mortals find and take advantage of, but I can always come up with more. A strong beginning is crucial though, so thanks for the advice!

>>8799479
What authors should "plan" for is stop being retards and write good books, rather than going for some marketing scheme.

>Malazan will never be "The Adventures of Kruppe and co."

:(

>>8799495
>three Artifacts that have Old Gods based on some of the Seven Sins or other emotions locked away within them that mortals find and take advantage of

I don't want to demean your work senpai, but this literally sounds like a manga.

>>8799574
No problem. Anything sounds like shit when you sum it up like I did.

>the first half of Words Of Radiance is overwhelmingly Shallan centric

>she gets progressively more insufferable as her plot armor thickens more and more

I want to get off Mr Brandon's Wild Ride. Tell me the second half is better.

>>8799592

>It's another pleb makes his opinion on a book 1/5th of the way through without even reading the entire book episode

>>8798883
I liked how suddenly the tone changed from Rome on the Mississippi to refugees on asphalt highways. It felt like a prequel, like this was the sort of thing St. Leibowitz was experiencing before the first holocaust.

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So I just got around to reading pic related after picking it up in the ruins of a Hastings store.

Overall a strong SF work, although I think it got a little bit overhyped. The translator seemed to have a bit of a tin ear; there were some jarring instances of clunky word choices. Intentionally preserving foreign sentence structure or modes of speech can work, but picking the wrong synonym is not.

I found two concepts very clever: a victim of the Cultural Revolution deciding to betray humanity and the use of an immersive VR game to subtly indoctrinate unwitting users. Both of these were described believably in detail.

I liked the Lovecraftian overtones. Liu might have pulled back the mask on the aliens too far to keep up the horror, although that probably wasn't the point.

Unless there's something we're not being told, the sophons are both too powerful and incongruously advanced; presumably the next book is going to be about defeating them somehow, but they can basically ghost-hack anyone at will while reporting back to base instantaneously.

>>8799621
I heard book 2 and 3 are massive upgrades so have fun with that. I'm probably gonna get to the series myself in 2017.

>>8799621
>Liu might have pulled back the mask on the aliens too far to keep up the horror
Most certainly. The revelation that science actually works fine, it actually works BETTER than we thought because sophons were brainwashing us! felt as trite as a horror story that ends with angels tucking everyone into bed.

>>8799538
I didn't like Kruppe at first but after he managed to out-fuck Hetan I was sold.

>>8799013
>I actually like Feist in general
So did I when I was in high school. I kinda grew out of him though. I still own like 80% of all his books though. I gave up at the start of the Dark War Saga, but I read essentially everything he wrote up to that point.

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>ASOIAF as God tier
>1-3 WOT as God tier
>not WOT 4-6 and 11-14 as God tier
>not 1-3 and 7-10 as shit tier
>Mistborn, Lamora and First Law as Okay Tier
>not adding Sword of Truth as shit tier
>Black Company not at ok tier

This is rubbish.

>>8799801
>11-14 god tier

Go home Sanderson

>>8799818
Obvious buttmad Mat fan.

I agree ToM is quite bad, but aMoL is one of the top 3 in the series.

>>8799801

this list is garbage, here's a better one.

>Elder God Tier :

Wolfe, LeGuin, Tolkien, Lieber, Lovecraft

>High Tier

Swanwick, VanDerMeer, Moorcock

>Mid Tier

Mieville, Bakker, Sanderson (WoK), Jordan (books 1 through 7)

>Low Tier

Sanderson (Mistborn), Abercrombie, Rowling,

>Absolute Shit Tier

Weeks, Brooks, Goodkind, Paolini, Jordan (books 8 through 11)

I'm obviously forgetting a lot of authors.

>>8799863
>Elder God Tier :
>Wolfe, LeGuin, Tolkien, Lieber, Lovecraft
Stopped reading. Get some taste then come back.

>>8799869

I was hoping dinoanon was asleep, but I guess when you're autistic you don't sleep much.

The current version of the story I'm writing pisses me off because

>a normally interesting main character is forced to behave like a boring straightman because the male lead acts equally cartoonish
>a lot of the elements I wanted included in her larger story aren't present
>I have to re-write her entire backstory in a way that will add too many elements, when this story feels too much like a pilot

>>8799863
How about Erickson and Cook?
>>8799869
Haven't read Lieber yet, but Tolkien, Wolfe, LeGuin are usually considered the best Fantasy authors ever. Lovecraft is great, but IMO he doesn't exatly write fantasy.

Was reading Magician and boy did my interest grind to a halt when the first act ended.

Suddenly a whole lot of fucking walking and no character or plot development

>>8799911

>How about Erickson and Cook?

I guess we can put them in Mid to High Tier.

>Lovecraft is great, but IMO he doesn't exatly write fantasy.

He did actually write a lot of fantasy. Look up his Dream Cycle.

>>8799863
>>Absolute Shit Tier
>Weeks,

???????

You put Rowling above Weeks, that's fucking rich

That's just so fucking rich, your entire tier list is completely invalidated by that

>>8799863
>Elder God Tier :
>Wolfe, LeGuin, Tolkien, Lieber, Lovecraft
I don't read fantasy: the tier list

>>8799911
>Tolkien, Wolfe, LeGuin are usually considered the best Fantasy authors ever
Hence why you put them at the top tier like the mindless cretin you are.

>>8799930
>Magician
By who? Feist?

>>8800082
Oh fuck off

Rowling writes competent children's books
Weeks writes incompetent trash aimed at illiterates

>>8800115
>>8800124

But I do read fantasy. Please enlighten me as to what authors you deem better than those. I'm in the mood for a good laugh.

>>8800126
Yeah

Nice little story around the keep and then boring af forest walk/chase

>>8800131

You fuck off

>>8800138
Dude ignore them

Both the "only old classics" and "all the old classics are trash" types of poster aren't worth engaging with.

They're only interested in insulting people, they never have any rational points to make.

>>8800138
Goodkind, Brooks, Paolini, Salvatore.

All pretty good.

>>8800158

>Paolini
>anything even remotely approaching "good"

You are either trolling or extremely retarded. Possibly both.

>>8800163
Of course they're joking, have you not read Goodkind? He's hilariously bad

>>8800138
I don't rank books because I'm not a posturing pseud like you, who carefully updates his opinion so that his top books of all time always reflect whatever the most highly regarded authors of the time are. You have no taste. You said it yourself: you put them at the top because they're the most acclaimed authors, that was your actual explanation. The kind of person who thinks like this doesn't have a single original opinion in his head.

So tell me what's the point of getting in to a dick measuring contest with a mental midget like you, who will simply pull his arguments from the common well of public opinion? It's easy to pretend like you're cultured when you don't have to do any thinking yourself and just regurgitate the opinions of others.

>>8799141
How did he survive for so many centuries?

Are Yolenites immortal? (The immortality where you can be killed, but if sickness or injury doesn't find you, you live)

>>8800149
t. cretin who substitutes public opinion for his own

>>8800171

>You said it yourself: you put them at the top because they're the most acclaimed authors, that was your actual explanation. The kind of person who thinks like this doesn't have a single original opinion in his head.

Except this >>8799911
anon wasn't me, which kind of invalidates your entire post.

I never claimed to have chosen those authors because they are "considered the best". I choose those authors because I've read them all and they're the best -in my opinion-.

You also didn't answer my question.

>>8800163
That was an ironic shitpost. I'm >>8799911 and I think these guys that don't like Tolkien, LeGuin etc. are retarded.

>>8800171
>>8800184

This just in : it is possibile to have a special snowflake opinion diverging from the mainstream, and still be wrong.

>>8798688
I read it
>>8799338
I read Birthgrave, and it was alright. I'll check it out.
>>8798142
>>8798602
Ok
>>8798801
>>8798213
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>8799863
What's wrong with Abercrombie?
I agree with most of what you said, but I think Abercrombie is at least mid to high tier.

Also what do you think about Martin, Rothfuss, Bakker and Grossman?

>>8799801
>no Acts of Caine
>Implying tDT VII is garbage

>>8800231
>What's wrong with Abercrombie?

Edge for edge's sake.

I'd put Martin in Mid Tier, Rothfuss in Low, Bakker is already in Mid and I haven't read Grossman.

>>8797624
>retards who haven't watched A:tLA or played KotOR

>>8800246

I love Kotor but storywise Kotor II was the better game. The character of Kreia alone has more layers and complexity than the entirety of some fantasy authors' ouvre.

>>8797624
Berserk is as good as any Fantasy book published in the last 25 years.

>>8799105

I don't know how he manages to get it so wrong - their internal monologues are fine and dialogue elsewhere is serviceable, but as soon as Sanderson puts those two characters together the "banter" becomes atrocious and bizarrely out of character. I don't know if he's trying to create tension or is incapable of wit but it's pretty goddamn dreadful. I'm enjoying the Stormlight Archive series overall but I've had to put the book down and take a break due to the cringe in dialogue or a character going full retard a few times.

>>8799592

I found her unbearable in WoK but I think she gets better/more interesting as more of her backstory is revealed in WoR. Frankly the way Sanderson writes his characters they are all at some point insufferable or frustrating, even the best ones like Dalinar and Kalladin.

>>8800263
>berserk

yeah maybe if you're comparing it to twilight or in the name of the wind (aka guylight)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfO-oRbYEtY

>>8800320
>Frankly the way Sanderson writes his characters they are all at some point insufferable or frustrating,

I almost dropped Mistborn when Kesler first meets Vin and goes all "tips fedora at m'lady" at her.

>>8800297

I think it's because he's never actually talked to a girl in his life and doesn't know how, and his magic pants overlords just kind of picked a wife for him.

>>8799624
I'm not in a hurry but I will definitely pick them up.

>>8799634
I actually thought that the part where the aliens describe building the sophons was going to end with them destroying themselves by unleashing the hyperadvanced inhabitants of a pocket universe, turning the "invasion" into a refugee fleet, begging the Earthlings to help them contain what they'd created.

>>8800342
It wouldn't have been his overlords, it would have been his peers at BYU picking someone they thought would be cute with him. But yeah, that's one of the main plots of Warbreaker if you didn't notice.

>>8799538
Haven't one of them planned book about that gang?

>>8800348
Maybe that's why they tell us the sequels are so good?

>>8799772
I've got most of the stuff he wrote before 2000, but didn't realize he'd written more because my library is too small to keep up with ongoing fantasy series. My father sorta accidentally got his Riftwar books signed back in the 80s. Showed up to some discussion panel when he was traveling, only two other people there.

Can I have recommendations on books with qt waifu? Especially if non human one. Preferably sci fi

>>8800240
>edge for edge's sake
That's Weeks.
Abercrombie wrote The First Law as an attack on the kind of heroic fantasy where a cool, dangerous protagonist fights his way through impossible odds to save the world.

>>8800599
Somebody post "that" Goodreads review.

>>8800320
Just finished WoR yesterday. After the awful Kaladin/Shallan chapters Shallan gets better only because she's barely present. Kaladin proceeds to spend the rest of the book learning a lesson Sanderson could have gotten across in a few pages.

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>>8800177
He survives by worldhopping which seems to involve time dilation.

No idea.

>>8800599
But that's exactly what happens

They're just cunts about it

>>8800610
>Poul Anderson is dead
>we will never have epics like Broken Sword or High Crusade compressed into 170 pages ever again

>>8800630
No its not. Bayaz gathers his fellowship of heroes, who aren't very heroic and all hate each other. They barely forge friendships on their long quest. When they get to where they're going they find out the magical artifact they were searching for isn't even there and they have to go all the way back.
When they return Login rallies the north men to help in the war, but they just hate him for leading them into more killing.
The whole thing was extremely bitter and anti-climactic, and it was like that on purpose.

>>8800679
And yet they still stop the bad guys at the end through a war and asspull magic.

It's lazy "subversion" the only fucking thing he changes is everyone being twats. It's still the same old story, just with even less value to the reader as it's intentionally unpleasant.

Fucking Shannara, some of the most generic epic fantasy going has the same plot beat for beat.

>>8797374
I'm assuming you mean an evil character rather than an antagonist? Because the protagonist is the main character and the antagonist is the person in their way, as the terms aren't really bound to morality.

I'd recommend Johannes Cabal The Necromancer, as well as its following sequels.

>>8800679
>Gandalf gathers his fellowship of heroes, who aren't very heroic and mostly hate each other. They barely forge new friendships on their long quest, and some of them even try to kill each other. Before they get to where they're going one of them tries to steal the magical artifact and they all split up.
>The secret king figure rallies the north men to help in the war, but it doesn't matter because some twisted hobo destroys the magic artifact.
>When the heroes get home it's been anti-climactically pillaged by monsters, and the MC bitterly leaves on a ship.
SO SUBVERSIVE

>>8797663
>>8797654
No.

This is a collection of meaningless garbage someone is attempting to market as edgy. Not only were none of the stories I read in this collection enjoyable, none of them even made sense.

UPDATE:

The author, Damian Heartbound, felt it was necessary to respond to my review, not to me personally but to his twenty-one thousand followers on twitter. He said and I quote, "Someone just gave my book one star and said it makes no sense. THEY make no sense. My book is a work of pure wisdom."

Pure wisdom, indeed. This "book" should be listed in self-help. I think we all know you better get out a pad and pen and be ready to take some notes when you open a book titled "To Kill a God". When you get to the dedication where he thanks the girl who blew him in a chicken coup and refers to his penis as a "trousermose" (I'm assuming he meant trouser-mouse and not trouser-moose, but either way) you know you are in store for a literary journey like never before.

Let's start with what Damian says about the "book" himself. He refers to the contents of the "book" as "fifty-odd fragments of dark thoughts". Are there stories in this collection? Yes. Are they any good? No. The few entries contained in this "book" that I will be lenient enough to call stories have no character development, or plot. There's absolutely no point to it other than him trying to write something shocking, which is impossible because we never learn to care about any of his characters. It's obvious that Damian's focus is on being edgy, gritty and shocking and not actually to spin a cohesive tale, hence why most of them end after a page and a half.

The only positive I can say about this "book" is that it appears to only be in ebook format and no trees have been sacrificed to this nonsense. But just in case that ever happens allow me to quote his "book": "Burn this paper if you find it. You're going to love the way it smells." I agree. I'm sure that the smell of burning parchment is far preferable to the figurative smell of feces he is masquerading as a "book". And best as I can tell, that was the shortest "story" contained in the book, ringing in at a grand total of fifteen words. But it's not a story.

There is nothing to be gained from reading this "work", another word I use loosely. Stephen King said writers have a million words of crap inside them they have to get out before they get something good. Damian is obviously still well within his million words of crap and you shouldn't have to pay for it.

There is no emotional connection demonstrated here, except with the author, his wallet, and perhaps his ego.

I just noticed this book is listed in "Death, Grief and Loss" under poetry. It's fitting because I've felt nothing but grief and loss over the death of my time wasted reading it and the brain cells sacrificed to trying to comprehend it. And there is nothing even remotely poetic about this. Stay away.

>>8800610
Playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTNHa1ZnggE to Kaladin's mid-air Bleach fight was the most enjoyable part of reading WoR for me.

>>8797374
Godspeaker trilogy

Especially the first book for the villain's exclusive PoV
Also fits with the dude the other day who wanted fantasy where the MC is a tribal savage (at least at first)

>>8800782
Was it MIDI in the show?

>>8800840
Oh and if you do read it look at the Goodreads reviews afterwards.

It's one of the most hilarious cases on there of people being morally outraged at a book

Viriconium (y/n)?

The recurrent shilling of a certain author is becoming intolerable, moreso than Sanderson and Bakker, because people have at least read those books. This, however, s neither funny or interesting, not even in a rarefied irony-within-an-irony sort of way. It's just a meaningless fart in a vacuum, of no consequence to anybody, and clogging up the more wholesome discussions about the prolific Mormon (not a peddler of bloated Jordanesque doorsteppers, honest) and the long-haired pornographer Mr Bakker.

>>8800873
Dunno but I really really liked the Kefahuchi Tract books, particularly the first two.

>something interesting finally happens to the main character
>book suddenly switches to other PoV chapters which it's used exactly once before
I'm baffled that Magician is such a well regarded book even among non-fantasy readers

Every single stereotypical problem with the pacing of fantasy novels is present

>>8800900

Just because you haven't the read masterpiece called "To Kill a God" doesn't invalidate the opinions of those who have. And the ones who have all agree with me, this is probably the best book of this decade.

/sffg/ what do you do when you're trying to write a character but the version of their personality that you like to watch isn't the one that plays out properly on paper?

>>8800758
>plot
>characters
>>/tv/

>>8800782
With the storm around them I pictured it more like Cloud vs Sephiroth at the end of Advent Children.

>>8801221

Why doesn't someone from here just buy the ebook, rip it and upload it?

>>8801269
You mean the character is one way in your head but keeps turning out a different way when you try to write them?
Practise writing the character. Before starting on your story write a few scenarios involving that character and figure out how to write him/her the way you want.

>>8801317
Buying and reading it would empower it in a way. It would mean acknowledging it as a piece of literature. Nobody here takes Stevian seriously enough to treat his work as anything more than a passing meme.

>>8801334

What if it's actually good?

>>8801318
yeah, but I know why it's happening

In my head she's a classic mad scientist but the story catches her in a situation where her brilliance fails her, her parents just died and all the manic energy is coming from an entirely different character

>>8801346
It sounds like the problem is you haven't allowed time to establish character in the story. You need to get across to the reader that she's a mad scientist type before they see her fall from grace.
Maybe start the story a little earlier in her life?

>>8801358
I do recall someone mentioning that I started off a bit abruptly. Maybe I should do that, but I need to figure out how

>>8801377
Yeah, if you start off with her in a situation that puts her outside her comfort zone then you're making it hard on yourself to establish character.
I suggest you throw in a short chapter at the start set at some point before the main plot, make it a specific occasion that showcases that character's nature. For now it'll work as a stand-in. You might think of a better opening later on, or keep it and tie that scene into the story at some point

>>8801401
My idea now for the opening is to start off with her friend (who's an apprentice cook working at a restaurant that serves as a front for her father's gang) working up the courage to ask her out on to a date to the circus in a few days. the same circus she ends up working at a few days later

that will be a stand-in idea, but I don't know how to to exposit her nerdiness with it. Certainly there's going to be some food geekery involved, but I can't think of a context. maybe she finds out that he adds baking soda to the carmelized onions and explains why it makes them brown better?

nah...

>>8801433
>maybe she finds out that he adds baking soda to the carmelized onions and explains why it makes them brown better?

Yeah that sounds a little forced if you want a second opinion.
What kinds of geeky is she? Would it be appropriate for her to be working away on a gadget, maybe a tablet or laptop, when people are talking to her?

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What is objectively the best fantasy series?

>>8801478
agreed. actually she's a astronophysics nerd, but I can't have her stargazing since her dream is to see the stars despite living in a light-polluted city

The thing is, I can't think of another way for that to play out. Maybe I can have her trying out an invention to factor out light pollution that doesn't work?

>>8801500
Lotr

>>8801500
Lord of the Rings.

>>8801505
I have a friend doing a PhD in astrophysics. He doesn't geek out about it often but if the subject is brought up he's always ready to correct other people because he's well aware he's the smartest person around on the subject. He also gets kind of dreamy eyed talking about the aurora borealis and other space related phenomenon. He said he's always wanted to see the aurora with his own eyes.
Not sure if that means anything to you. I just thought a real life point of reference might help.

>>8801544
>>8801546
sword of truth*

>>8801548
Different sorts. I'm a huge physics fanatic but I actually ended up majoring in computer science because I was too dumb for it. I honestly find myself wanting to talk about it all the time but the people I know just aren't into it or can't wrap their head around it so I never really get a chance. Hence why I'm creating something like this: a "hard science fantasy" where actual physics concepts are researched heavily and then butcherd and mythologized for the sake of a good fantasy

>>8800758
Sounds like it's right up /sffg/s alley

>>8801576
I've never had a mind for that stuff. Heroic fantasy is more my thing, stuff like Weeks and Sanderson, retarded but entertaining.
To each his own though. Good luck with your story anon.

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>>8800900
Then at least read To Kill A God (never TKaG, you have to type the whole thing).

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>>8801658

>>8800460
Everything's definitely not on the table. Why would the aliens have given such detailed info at all about building the sophons? Also, the data recovered from the ship didn't have any information on alien physiology but somehow the guy at the 3body meet up had some idea about them.

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>>8801659
You get the idea. I wouldn't be so cruel to this guy but here he is wasting his hour a week of free time writing a ten-dollar ebook when all he's read is The Hobbit, Animorphs, and Phantom of the Opera. Gaskun had more respect.

>>8801661
I thought there were alien rebels also transmitting, that their civ produced a lot more power and could transmit to Sol at will.

Can anyone recommend a quality fantasy audiobook? Maybe a good recent reading of some classic stuff?

My eyes are shit, and I like to listen while I try to get to sleep.

I've already done Terry Pratchett, the Dresden Files (don't care for Alera), The Prince of Thorns, Lord of the Rings, enough TSR fiction to no longer be interested in game-world fanfic, enough Sword of Truth to lose interest, Wheel of Time until the real writer died, A Song of Ice and Fire until the writer started eating his pages, Bas-Lag and most of the rest of Mieville's work, The Magicians (+King), The Name of the Wind, The First Law and other Joe Abercrombie stuff...

God damn, I thought that was going to be a shorter list. That's not even all of it. How much of my life have I spent reading fantasy novels? I normally think of myself as more of a sci-fi guy.

Anyway, my particular recommendations are The First Law (fantastic story), Bas-Lag (richest setting), and The Dresden Files (excellent reading). Good readings for all of them.

>>8801689
The guy who reads Worm Orobouros on Librivox is pretty good.

Hey, I have some questions about Lord of the Rings and Tolkien in general
Tolkien pretty widely hated allegory and with that in mind, did he write LotR just for the reason of because he wanted to and he like pagan and christian mythology stuff? LotR didn't have any explicit meaning behind it or any type of theme?
I've read the entire trilogy like 3 times and the hobbit once but I never researched Tolkien himself and what he believed

>>8801671

I don't get the idea.
What is the idea

Ancillary Justice: Action! Adventure! Revenge! World building!

Ancillary Sword: Breq white knights for a teenage girl, a supporting character has a fetish for tableware, the Radch oppresses Mexican farm laborers.

>>8801689
The First Law audiobooks were great. Chronicles of the Unhewn Throne has an equally good narrator but the novels themselves are mediocre.

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>>8801641
>Hoo hoo hoot
I have read better Pokemon fanfics

>>8799863
LeGuin belongs in Shit Tier and Lovecraft in Mid Tier.

>>8799863

>Womameme
>Elder god

nice bait got me to reply

>>8801746
yeah it was weird, felt almost like a completely different author

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>>8801806
>Hey look mum, I wriggled out of reading again!

>>8801814
I'd hazard it's the result of a very strong debut novel and "the trilogy curse." Justice was great and won awards, so obviously the publisher will want to expand it to a trilogy, but maybe the author isn't ready to continue so they just end up writing whatever and it's not as good. (IMO this is the reason the second Locke Lamora book isn't very good)

It makes me worry for Andy Weir. "Oh my first novel won me the John Campbell and was adopted into a widely praised movie that made $630 million dollars and won a Hugo for Best Screenplay. How am I going to top that?", and I understand he's shelved the space opera he said he was working on.

>>8801872
Alternatively maybe Philip K. Dick was right and all the best scifi authors are actually a committee of communists in Krakow, Poland.

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>>8801734
Maybe read the foreword sometime? There are very strong Christian themes in the books but the books themselves came from his interest in mythology and linguistics, he wanted to construct a mythic poetic work that he felt England lacked.

>>8801827

Worse than a tripfag

>>8799863
What are Swanwick's best?

>>8801689
I like the narrator John Lee, he's read some Mieville, much of Alastair Reynolds and other books. Jasper Fforde's Shades of Grey comes to mind, was a fun listen.

Sandersons Stormlight Archive was okay, even though a few names were pronounced differently by the male and female narrators, the narration was clear overall. I'm not talking about the graphicaudio version, but you might want to try that. It has background music and stuff.

>>8800900
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>>8801641
>>8801656
>>8801658
>>8801659
>>8801671


I will read it but tell me when to pirate it.

If a book isn't popular enough to be pirated, Why bother reading it?

>>8802030
Stormlight audio was pretty good IMO. Like you said, the differences between the male and female narrators were a bit jarring, like both doing completely different voices for Taravangian. You'd think they could have consulted each other on something like that, considering he only appears in Shallan chapters until the end of WoK.

>>8802296
If I recall correctly they are also married or something. Makes it even more baffling.

>>8800599
>Abercrombie wrote The First Law as an attack on the kind of heroic fantasy where a cool, dangerous protagonist fights his way through impossible odds to save the world.

That's Cook.

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So are the latter Dark Tower books good? I'm 1/4th through Wizard and Glass and so far I've enjoyed the series very much. I can't imagine how King might mess up but >>8799801 says they're shit.

>>8795857
>Is Revelation Space actually good?
No.

>>8799008
>Wow. just wow.
Let me guess, you don't even?

>>8801546
>>8801544
'Lord of the Rings' is not a series.

>>8801734
>Tolkien pretty widely hated allegory and with that in mind, did he write LotR just for the reason of because he wanted to and he like pagan and christian mythology stuff? LotR didn't have any explicit meaning behind it or any type of theme?
Look up the definition of 'allegory', you assclown. Not being an allegory doesn't mean there is no explicit meaning or theme.

>>8801555
B A I T.

As much as I enjoyed the series. I really did.

No.

>>8802476
The story takes a huge dive. Book 7 is batshit retarded in some places, though the ending is great.
That said, I'm a huge fan of King just for his writing style. His talent alone made the last book bearable.

>>8802010

I really liked Iron Dragon's Daughter and Stations Of The Tide. The latter has a pretty heavy Fifth Head Of Cerberus vibe to it, and the author has admitted to being influenced by Wolfe at the time.

>>8800782
I got them Goose Bumps during that shit.

>>8800782

>not playing this instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lsn2tT5yTc

>>8802930
I don't even want to admit how right this guy is.

Out of the 3 animes I've watched in my life time, Bleach was my favorite by far.

Kaladin kicked his ass good

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>>8802930
>>8800782

>Not playing this one

>>8803096
Forgot link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Y51km1xyc

which is the best copy of Lord of the Rings to get, reasonably?

Looking between
>50th anniversary One volume
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zaBk9nRLow

or the trilogy of hardcovers reprinted in the 80's/90's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYgvXurPeWw

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Best place to start with Gene Wolfe?

I want to figure out if I enjoy him, if he's a meme or not.

THerefor i am not sure if I want to embark on a three our four book series just to figure out if he is good.

Did he write some thing that stands on it's own and introduces me to his writing and whatnot?

does he overdo it with the sex scenes?
sex scenes in genre fiction always have this "yeah well how the fuck would you even know" vibe to them

>>8803158
>Did he write some thing that stands on it's own and introduces me to his writing and whatnot?

Yes.

The Fifth Head Of Cerberus. Three (loosely) interconnected short stories sharing the same setting. If you like it, go on to BOTNS. If you don't, chances are Wolfe is not your cup of tea.

Also his sex scenes are toned down and/or implied, he doesn't ever go full GRRM.

>>8803153
Get the 50th anniversary edition

>>8802964
>Out of the 3 animes I've watched in my life time, Bleach was my favorite by far.

You poor soul.

>>8803212
why

>>8803219
It's the nicest edition you can get for a reasonable price (assuming you don't want one with a ton of illustrations).

>>8803231
why is it nicer than the 1988/1992 box set?
I like the art of the box set more, but if there's any disadvantages to it then I'd get the 50th

both can be had for $30-$40

what authors have a guro fetish?

>>8803314
Iain M. Banks

>>8798136
You mean that's not Dying Earth?

>>8803176
Thank you anon, I will check it out

>>8803274
>I like the art of the box set more
Then get the box set. I like the look and feel of the 50th anniversary edition more but it's just personal preference.

>>8803274
Not him but if you like the box set more you should get that.

There is some memery where editions printed before some date have some errors, you should check up on that just to make sure, but I think the one you posted is too new for that.

Maybe look how the map is if you like that stuff

As long as it's not the NOW A MAJOR MOTION PICTURE version you should be fine

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