Can lyrics stand alone as poetry, or do you need to factor that

It depends on the set of lyrics. Most of Townes Van Zandt's songs stand up on paper but he's an exception in that regard.

>>8791598
I don't understand what this question means.
There's a ton of shit poetry out there, its not exactly a strict category

They can be.

What makes it difficult is that what a lot of people, myself included, consider good lyrics are often good because of what is going on with the music. Stripped of that, and read as poetry, they lose some of their effect.

But it's possible to have both, I'm sure.

Bump. This needs to be settled once and for all.

The hand that rocks the cradle - The Smiths

>>8791598

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5BrisnNoZI

>>8793120
the lyrics here move without music.

No, they were designed for music.

Only ancient lyrics.

Song writing is just a form of poetry, but because its usually coupled with music it took its own form centuries ago.

Elliott Smith had amazing lyrics and was a very talented guitar player. I think Miss Misery can stand alone very well on itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsixXCnYVfA

I'll fake it through the day
With some help from Johnnie Walker red
Send the poison rain down the drain
To put bad thoughts in my head
Two tickets torn in half
And a lot of nothing to do
Do you miss me, Miss Misery
Like you say you do?

A man in the park
Read the lines in my hand
Told me I'm strong
Hardly ever wrong I said man you mean

You had plans for both of us
That involved a trip out of town
To a place I've seen in a magazine
That you left lying around
I don't have you with me but
I keep a good attitude
Do you miss me, Miss Misery
Like you say you do?

I know you'd rather see me gone
Than to see me the way that I am
But I am in the life anyway

Next door the tv's flashing
Blue frames on the wall
It's a comedy of errors, you see
It's about taking a fall
To vanish into oblivion
Is easy to do
And I try to be but you know me
I come back when you want me to
Do you miss me Miss Misery
Like you say you do?

The interesting thing about good songs is how the music and words interact. They should support and enhance each other