This guy really blew up this week. Are there any good books on

Since they are fact-averse and stupidly authoritarian – No, not really.

is that chuck tingle? i saw he got a write up the other day in everyone's favorite fake news source: the new york times

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>>8760417
There's no such thing as the "alt-right" its a journalist buzzword. What you want is a book on the nature of Fascism
I recommend this as a starter

>>8760417
"Don't make the black kids angry"

VERY good read regardless of your political views.

>>8760417
>alt-right?
its a modern phenomena in its description and no different from asking are there books on social justice warriors. Both groups are made up of the same types of people just with opposite opinions.

>>8760440
Richard Spencer. One of the "Leaders" of the controversial Alt-Right.

Basically the most right wing you can possibly get to.

I personally think that they will go as far as getting an official political party and start changing American politics.

>>8760449
>One of the "Leaders" of the controversial Alt-Right.

I wonder if he knows the hacker known as 4chan

>>8760453
Hence leader is in quotations. There are no real leaders. It's just a mindset. Hard to explain when it doesn't really have a definition.

>>8760459
I don't even think it is a mindset. There is nothing particularly original in these guys that differs from traditional Fascism

>>8760449

>Basically the most right wing you can possibly get to.

You are like a little baby.

The guy was called out for being controlled opposition over a year ago.

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>>8760463
Yeah, likely. It's pretty much a mix of xenophobia, nationalism and conservative values.

>>8760470
Ok, they want to COMPLETELY cease immigration, deport jews, blacks and hispanics, Restore original values. Make the population 100% white.

That's absolute right wing. I'm not saying it's bad. It's a way of seeing the world, and trying to change it. I actually support extreme nationalism.

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>>8760417

This guy is a retard who has been jettisoned by anyone on the Alt-Right with even a passing comprehension of Realpolitik. The time is most definitely not right for "Hail X" and "Le Roman Salute" - nor will it ever be for that matter.

Playing devil's advocate, they need to stick with what they've been doing - baby steps. You will only kill the Left's golden cows by lingchi (death by a thousand cuts). They say "open borders", you say "controlled immigration." They say "take in refugees", you say "let's help our own first (veterans/etc)" and so forth.

There's no going backwards, only forwards - employing Nazi sentiments/gestures in the modern day is fucking retarded.

>>8760441

Depending on the context, there's no such thing. When employed by journalists or the Left, the "alt-right" is an empty smear for anything to the right of fucking Trotsky/Marx/etc. Those who call themselves "alt-right" vary wildly - so in that sense it's useless. A few things they have in common are a general opposition to our 'politically correct' Zeitgeist - that's about it.

>>8760499
>You will only kill the Left's golden cows by lingchi (death by a thousand cuts).
I mean this is so ... I don't even need to write it.

>>8760441
>there is no such thing as the alt-right

Spencer has been at it for years, dumbass. Never post in my threads again.

>>8760499
the alt-right just means anyone who isn't part of the bush-romney republican clique

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>>8760503

He's right, you know.

>>8760527
Thanks.

>>8760449
>leader
>alt-right
>most right wing you can go
Jesus fucking Christ and you wonder why n o o n e on /pol/ considers themselves alt-right anymore

>>8760463
>traditional Fascism
Hardly.
They get completely drunk with all the fluff that has traditionally surrounded fascism, but fascism itself, as in, the political/economic ideas that have their roots in national syndicalism and so on, that doesn't seem to be of much concern to most of the "alt-right" I've seen.

>>8760417
I don't know about books, they're a new-ish movement so not much probably. But lots of online articles if that interests you.

Overall, intellectually, there's not much new, though.
It's a bit like "neo-atheism", its novelty being that it reacts to current trends and fills a moral/political vacuum. So it would be good for a sociological study or something.
Perhaps one noteworthy new aspects is a more informed (data backed) racism and political stance, mostly enabled by the internet. And of course the diminishing power of mainstream media.

>>8760499

>This guy is a retard who has been jettisoned by anyone on the Alt-Right with even a passing comprehension of Realpolitik.

This guy gets it. Likewise I'd fully expect a democratic socialist to disown some dyed-in-the-wool Commie who rants about the revolution/etc.

>>8760549
>anymore
So that's the flavor this week huh?

>>8760417
Anything written by Paul Gottfried

>>8760503
>this post
Why are /lit/ posters so pretentious?

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>this entire thread

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Infinite Jest is a white supremacist classic.

>>8760417
The more I think about it the more I realize Fascism is only a retarded and senseless expression of the death drive. Essentially mass suicide

>>8760690
That's why calling /pol/ racest! is a waste of time. All the racial narcissism and race science infographics are merely an excuse for what they really want to do, that is, go out in a glorious blaze of violence and stupidity

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>>8760690
>>8760728
Your both wrong. What we want is a white nation where we can raise our white children without fear of getting raped or stabbed or shot, and return to traditional gender roles where women know their place, and men aren't villified and oppressed.

>>8760748
>Your

gay libs got pissed because he's good-looking

just like the Boston bomber rolling stone mag that was sexy

because, the opposition must be ugly!

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Probably most of the books sold by Arktos media.

The ones in the Iron PIll section for example

>>8760499
>the "alt-right" is an empty smear for anything to the right of fucking Trotsky/Marx/etc
just like everyone left of hitler is a communist according to /pol/

>>8760863

Exactly.

Only one side gets taken seriously though, and it's not /pol/.

>>8760748
So...neo-nazis and people who oppose the civil and social rights of half the population? Got it.

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>>8760878

>rights
>existing

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>>8760748

You mean the gender roles of the 1950s that were only possible because of unprecedented (and short lived) prosperity?

We've always had gender roles but before the 1950s most women *had* to work to support their families. That le kitchen stuff will probably never be feasible again, especially if you want to wage a "race war" and deport millions of productive people at the same time.

>>8760554
Thats proto-Fascism for you. It takes time to manifest itself.

The dialectic continues

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>>8760499
But the alt-right accepts and attempts to define itself through that term? This isn't like the word hipster where it is only meant pejoratively or people misusing the word communism which has a clear meaning.

The alt-right is just a poorly thought out reactionary movement, and a leftist comparison would be the Occupy movement. Poorly thought out, the term is accepted, and they attempted to define what they are through that term.

They're just a big fat mess.

>>8760891
>ou mean the gender roles of the 1950s that were only possible because of unprecedented (and short lived) prosperity?

I never knew this, that is V interesting, ty buddy

btw im not that pol-troll youre responding to

>>8760878
People are free to have all the rights they want in their own separate societies.
I'm guessing most white nationalist just want peaceful segregation.

>>8760748
>What we want is a white nation where we can raise our white children without fear of getting raped or stabbed or shot

You are living during the least violent times in recorded American history, and it is a product of neo-liberal policies.

It's not your children's fault that you can't stop yourself from drooling at the sight of fear mongering.

>>8760904
lel yeah sure they do. Then after they have their peaceful segregation they realise they need more living room

>>8760499
>employing Nazi sentiments/gestures in the modern day is fucking retarded.

As Slavoj Zizek says, "the 20th century is over".

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>>8760911
>You are living during the least violent times in recorded American history, and it is a product of neo-liberal policies.

Imagine how peaceful a white society like that would be. We would return to greatness

>>8760912
>le cynical remark
>le every racist is a Hitler meme

boring, desu

>>8760925
I refer to history because anyone with a literacy in it knows its the same shit over and over, with the same bullshit excuses

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>>8760911
We are also living in the most subversive times in history.

It would take more than 2 hands for me to count how many different groups are fighting to influence our children one way or the other.

Hard to believe this moron actually got an intelligent man like de Benoist who leads an actually principled Right school of thought to speak at an NPI conference.

>>8760449
Wrong the term Alt Right was coined by Paul Gottfried at a Conference in 2008. The Alt Right is a term largley used to refere to people, who agree on following premises. One race is real in a biological sense. Two race shapes the cultures and the artefacts it produces. Three humans of one race predominantly prefere to live around people of the same race or at least, where they are constitute an uncontested super majority. There are no leaders, even if ideology is concernt.

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>>8760903

A lot of people have no idea. Jobs were usually gender segregated but only rich women could afford to stay at home all day before the postwar economic boom.

One of the jobs women could do was called being a "calculator." They just did tedious and repetitive math calculations for engineering firms and businesses all day, because electronic calculators hadn't been invented yet. They had to be educated enough to use a slide rule, so it was usually middle class women who became calculators.

>>8760898
National Syndicalism was proto-fascism, the Alt-right is just hair brained

>>8760911
And the second and third world is currently in an era of conflict.

>>8760941
The difference between Alt-Right and Neo-Nazis is that Neo-Nazis complain about niggers all day on Stormfront and Alt-right shitposts about niggers on twitter all day. Its like Alt-right is the highbrow version of being a skinhead

>>8760911
>You are living during the least violent times in recorded American history, and it is a product of neo-liberal policies.

u must live in a lilly white suburb...so annoying, the ppl always scolding everyone else and telling us we must live side by side with criminal and vice ridden races always live in the most exclusive white areas...try actually living in a black neighborhood and see how it goes, i'm sorry but matriarchal culture (which is to say every black culture on the planet) is a fucking failure, feminism is bullshit.

>>8760955
>feminism is bullshit

For unattractive men, sure.

>>8760948
Its not like Hitler gave a shit about National-Syndicalism though

>>8760504

Don't even bother.
These people will insist on definitions from the 19th and early 20th century because they're ideologues.

>>8760959
Not the same poster, isn't feminism for women? I don't understand male feminists, they are like female MRAs

Remember when Fascism used to oppose capitalism as much as it did communism? The Alt-right just champions an aggressive free market with totalitarianism

>>8760955

There is not one recorded instance of a matriarchal society in human history.

Matrilineal and Matriarchal are not the same thing at all.

Alt right is a bit like hipster neo-nazism.

There's hardly any self-proclaiming alt right-er, just like there's hardly anyone who calls himself a proud hipster.

>>8760967
Depends on the kind of woman you'd like society to produce, presumably.

>>8760964
Hitler was the worst thing that ever happened to fascism

>>8760959
And if you are a decent and higher iq spectrum individual. For society and or genetics as a hole it is even worse. But yes what is more important, than some fun in the present and why care about tomorrow.

>>8760973
Was this post supposed to make sense?

>>8760980
If it wasn't for Hitler Fascism would have just been some Latin American tier meme ideology some irrelevant Italian dictator expoused. A footnote in history

>>8760980
Yes, because he took away the myth, when his enemys were victorious and he losed, also they could writte their own narrative about what happened.

>>8760984
Fascism wasn't developed solely in Italy and Germany

>>8760995
Yeah its just where it actually became relevant

>>8760943
I'd learned at uni that working class women always had jobs, and that the stay at home thing was only for wealthier families. But I never knew thats where that 1950s stereotype exactly comes from

He looks like mommas little fatty

>>8760981
Post your pic, lad. I need a good laugh

>>8760955
I don't care about your shit anecdotes young cuck. The stats prove it, living in America now is much better for anyone than it would have been in the past.

Or you could not be such a cuck and show me any evidence that isn't your anecdote

>>8761003
Yes and most females like it, when ecconomic progress made it possible for more and more to stay at home.

>>8761012
>most females would prefer not to be wageslaves

How radical

Robeert Redford in Naked city

>>8761019
Marx is ironically criticized by feminist writers for promoting women to return from work

>>8760995
Mussolini was developed in italy, that is all I need to know.

>>8761006
I have a girl friend and i would get opportunitis to have others, but i think this is only for people of weak will and the under class. In fact i don't want to have a girl with more than two friends before me. Short side note, i look better than eighty or ninety percent of men (6.2 tall, 175lbs, 9 percent body fat, blond hair, grey eyes, above average facial features), but i know, it dosen't matter females search for weahlth/generosity, dominace (how tall you are plays into this one) and intellect.

>>8760994

How are you going to rescue Western Civilization when you can't even spell?

>>8761007
How about the 50s

Why do all fascist faglords have the same shitty haircut ?

>>8760959
i'm not talking about getting laid, i'm talking about having a functioning civilization...go read aristotle, pleb.

>>8760971
>wasn't recorded

well first of all, there were plenty of them...and they all sucked. matriarchy doesn't look like a normal patrirarchal civ just with female kings, it looks like a horrible wreck...if you ever really studied any black cultures you'd see the pattern is always the same, disposable men, and children raised solely by mothers...which is a throwback to primitive paleolithic tier humanity, when women stayed together with the children at a place that was productive for gathering while the men went off in search of food and sometimes never returned...most races snapped out of this failed pattern by the neolithic but blacks never did, go look at any inner city or majority black nation today, you will see the same pattern, and since the only difference between blacks and other races is the neanderthal dna, perhaps the neanderthals genetically disposed to male dominance, but we'll probably never know since any research into that would immediately be attacked and destroyed by both blacks and feminists. to be honest, i almost had kids with a black woman from a black country, but as i researched her culture i realized having kids with someone from a matriarchal culture were men are disposable is really not a good idea.

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>>8761064
>nazi youth haircut
>shitty

>>8761058
I never said i would be able to do this. However english is not my native language, but my fourth. I had my native language, Latin and Greek(ancient) before. Since i'm postin from my Phone, it is stressful to go back everytime the corrector tries to writte something different.

>>8761096
It looks really tryhard and dorkish now. Like a far right fedora

>>8761104
>Since i'm postin from my Phone, it is stressful to go back everytime the corrector tries to writte something different.

seriously, gotchaposting in the age of autocorrect is weak af

>>8761108
r u from the burbs or sth? everyone has those kind of shaved side hair now

>>8761116
Are you from some Flyover state? Maybe in 2011. They're lame now since every loser hipster got one

>>8761125
ya keep pretending ur not from trumptown usa nerd maybe if you keep accusing ppl of being "hipsters" everyone will think ur hip and not a resentful trash from nowhere

>>8761108
>Like a far right fedora

tons of non-whites got it now too though

>>8761128
You caught me, I live in the suburbs of Milwaukee

>>8761138
r u just mad that ur mom wouldn't let u get that haircut when she took u to the barber? tell her ur too old for the bowl cut, now ur 26 now and soon u'll have ur own obamacare account, it's time to for u 2 b independent

>>8761142
Yes, she wont give me money to go to a proper man's barbers so I have to rely on my aunt to give me a sort of bowlcut

>>8761150
i used to be like u, when dudes first started wearing skinny jeans and all i had were 90s rapper pants i was like "fuck these hipster faggots skinny jeans are queer!" but then i manned up and stopping being a leftist fag and got an education and a job and now i can buy whatever the fuck i want

>>8761108
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>>8761138
>>8761150
Were these supposed to be funny?

not sure but i'm like picturing a leftist version of dylan roof about to bust caps on some cops while shouting out blm and isis

>>8761164
Yes, I presumed so at least, I'm sorry if they were not so. I'm a girl so I don't get guy humour much

>>8761095
men are disposable in patriarchical civilizations as well

>>8760449
>Basically the most right wing you can possibly get to.
No it isn't.

They aren't really right-wing you delusional fucker. Get the fuck out m8t.

>>8761182
only if they've been rotted out from the inside...like sparta or the last days of pagan rome or obama's america...

>>8761171
fellow girl here I only care about Chad cock and I don't understand loyalty, love, or ethics because im inherently inferior teehee

>>8761207
if women weren't inferior then they wouldn't have been "oppressed" for all of human history

>>8761207
Heehee I prefer Tyrones cock myself, and I hate you since friendship between us is impossible

>>8761218
ur such a bitch! Im a nice girl, brb have to go suck 600 dicks while i have a bf xD (girls just wanna have fun you know??)
>>8761216
BIGOT

>>8761207
>>8761218

the reason women like chad and tyrone cock is because they know he will run off and leave them in charge of the household and raising the kids, and if anyone says this is a bad way to raise a family, they will just scream "muh patriarchy" and ask the democrats for more free stuff

>>8761235
Only if she's a Stacie, ugly girls will just be pumped and dumped

>>8761251
Stacies will ALWAYS cheat they're simply too stupid and shallow as women to understand loyality or love, they only go for cock if they can get something from it they can't be loyal to a man, especially a white man who is being villified by the media and culture. they've learned to hate us, despite us being inherently superior to them.

they have such a simple nature, yet the system is enabling their degeneracy against the white man

>>8760863
Hitler was left-wing, so yes anyone left of him is a gommie.

>>8761251
i'd marry a ugly chick if she has a phd or a stem masters, also if she speaks a useful world language like arabic or mandarin (but no spanish tho, too pleb, don't want my kids running with maids and fruit pickers)

>>8760449
>Basically the most right wing you can possibly get to.
Even teenagers on /pol/ are further right than he is

>>8761275
She'll leave you for Chad, and if she can't get Chad she'll deny you sex and exploit you for all you have. That's what women do

>>8761282
yeah but i don't care i'll have my offspring and if she has a phd she's not going to run off with some illiterate donkey, at this point i'm only interested in fucking women to produce offspring, last time i fucked it even wasn't that fun, i can just wack it if i need to get a nut off

>>8760569
>points out fedora af post
>"Oh god you're soo pretentious for pointing it out"
Make like your animes and sudoku. You only wish you could be pretentious.

>>8761288
She will ruin the children with feminist and liberal thinking making them tattood sluts and pierced degenerates who practices unsafe sex with other races

>>8761291
not if she's not from the west, even better my kids will be half white but still able to take advantage of affirmative action to get into the most patrish tier schools, but i might consider poking a russia or polish chick, but anything west of that, my just penis isn't going to move...

>>8761304
only white women should be used for breeding, unfortunately theyve all been brainwashed by liberalism hence we must remain virgins.

>>8760904
>peaceful segregation.
elaborate

>>8761311
south asian aryans are fine by me, iq will be the same and their skin will be more resilient to the sun...i remember some white chick from mt. holyoke asking me out, she was overweight and taking about virginia woolf im like see ya later future cat lady lol

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>>8760690
>death drive

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"dahhh ethno-nationalism is the most right wing you can get" says the man who thinks 19th century liberalism is as far right as political thinking gets

>>8760921
The 50s were all about liberal policies tho, and not even that conservative/traditional.

If you want isolationist America go back to the depression.

>>8760435
>Since they are fact-averse
>statistics are facts

nope

this guy blew up because he's thick as pigshit
it will blow over soon
the alt-right is dead and fascism will never take root in an Anglo society

>>8760417
I thought this was going to be like a suicide bomber joke.

>>8762433
It's a weird narrative, I can only assume these people are like brain damaged or something. They're going on about how people don't want to be told what to do by leftist elites and not realizing fascism is like several magnitudes worse.

>>8762433
>the alt-right is dead and fascism will never take root in an Anglo society

america is getting more and more catholic every day, it won't be long till they elect a hugo chavez style blohard

>>8762442
>They're going on about how people don't want to be told what to do by leftist elites and not realizing fascism is like several magnitudes worse.

gee maybe the "alt-right" isn't actually fascist? who told u they were fascist? the nytimes? yeah, the ny times told me everyday that hillary was winning the election...stop reading fake news.

>>8762442
it's not a question of fascism being worse (it isn't btw), it goes against everything the Anglosphere stands for
it's a Southern European ideology

>>8762458
>it goes against everything the Anglosphere stands for
>it's a Southern European ideology
You are very wrong on both counts. It supposedly goes against everything the US stands for, though there's a President who has much stronger than monarchical power for like 4 to 8 years.

There are however a number of anglo fascist ideologies.

>>8762466
>There are however a number of anglo fascist ideologies.
and they've never taken root
it can't and won't happen

>>8760728
This. That's why they unironically say things like "dude i can feel a race war coming". It's white narcissism, that's all it is. And it's a attractive thing for confused people to cling on to.

>>8762482
No. They just don't like black people.

>>8762482

>That's why they unironically say things like "dude i can feel a race war coming"

They're not wrong though,

Everything will go to shit quite soon. Race war will probably be a part of it.

>>8762482
we're currently in a racial cold war

Podcast interview with Greg Johnson, one of the intellectual fathers of the Alt-Right:: http://www.declinecast.com/2016/09/19/6-the-alt-right-interview-with-greg-johnson/

Those who think the Alt-Right is a movement rising solely out of /pol/ and the redneck agenda of braindead racists are out of touch and up their own arse - they fail to see how marginalized white people, and white men especially, have become in their own countries. And if you roll your eyes at that "how could white men, with all that privilege, be marginalized?" you're the reason.

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>>8762488
>>8762491
They're way too arrogant about being white to solve the problem. That's why they say things like "deport all minorities or shoot them".
I think the way to dissolve right-wing extremism is to start accepting racial realism. If you play along to their game you'll start to see the plot holes, of which there are many. The truth is that most neo-nazis are in it because they want to feel superior, dominant and honorable. It's an ideology like any other.

>>8760891
>>8760943
>>8761012
You seem to have things backwards. Total female participation in the labor force was pretty much stagnant at <25% through the 19th century and up to WWII. Most of that was temporary service by young, unmarried women. After WWII, total female participation started shooting up, with most of the growth actually coming from married/middle-class women. The only "luxury" was that these women didn't have to devote as many hours to wage labor as men, because their livelihood was generally dependent on men's earnings. The situation now is kind of shit, because we have a larger proportion of the population engaged in wage labor, yet real income growth isn't doing so well. Capital is maximizing the proportion of the human population forced into wage labor, while simultaneously minimizing each worker's income. Women are more prominent in the capitalist workforce today for the same reason Third Worlders are. The bigger the labor pool, the less leverage labor has to demand improvement.

>>8762517
>They're way too arrogant about being white to solve the problem.
What do you mean? The problem of race tensions? Why is an image board suddenly responsible for fixing race relations?

>That's why they say things like "deport all minorities or shoot them".
They just don't like black people, illegal immigrants, or Muslims. Which is understandable. They don't actually want to murder them all. Well, most don't anyway.

>If you play along to their game you'll start to see the plot holes, of which there are many.
Specifics?

>>8761095
I thought it was only the europeans who had the Neanderthal DNA, so not the asians and native americans.

>>8760435
so right wing commies?

>>8762557
like regular commies

>>8760967
Feminism isn't just for women. Through a feminist understanding of society everyone suffers in various ways under the patriarchy. It's sort of unfortunate that feminism has done a really bad job at articulating how feminism could help men. I mean that's in part why the MRA movement came about, it was legitimate in some sense until it turned into a way to legitimise misogynistic shit flinging. MRA's would point out how women have "privilege" because they tend to get child custody over fathers. This is a legitimate concern but it fails to identify that the woman is given custody because the social norms dictate that the mother is the prime nurturer. The patriarchy created a family construct where women raise the child while the man brings home the bacon so should we be shocked that in custody battles the courts award the child to the mother regardless of how ill equipped she might be. Nonetheless MRA's did nothing to enter into the discourse over this problem, accused women of being horrible privileged baby-stealing cunts and simultaneously did nothing to alleviate the legitimate problems they identified.

>>8761314
Different "races" living in different countries/states/continents... without being in conflict with each other and without claiming superiority/inferiority.

As a European I just wish non-Europeans would stop coming here, at least in the way they're coming now. I'm even willing to help those people to get their shit together in their own countries if they stay there.
Immigration in general, even from other European countries, should be up to the local population to accept or deny, based on whatever criteria.

When some strangers try to come to your house you have every right to deny them entry, so why is it so outrageous to demand the same right when it comes to larger communities?

>>8762564
>Nonetheless MRA's did nothing to enter into the discourse
>implying new age feminists would entertain other viewpoints

The alt right is just means "far right internet meme culture" imo. Theres no consitent set of beliefs or ideology. The alt right is anyone who voted for trump and likes pepe.

Essentially theres nothing to write about them

>>8762564
>Feminism isn't just for women.
Yes it is. Feminists only ever campaign for their own self interests.

>>8762564
>Through a feminist understanding of society everyone suffers in various ways under the patriarchy
Yah because a femenist understanding of society is diluted and childish.

>Nonetheless MRA's did nothing to enter into the discourse over this problem, accused women of being horrible privileged baby-stealing cunts and simultaneously did nothing to alleviate the legitimate problems they identified.
So, literally the exact same thing femenists do?

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>>8761095

>i almost had kids with a black woman from a black country, but as i researched her culture i realized having kids with someone from a matriarchal culture were men are disposable is really not a good idea.

Kek she really dodged a bullet there.

>>8762567
I know and it's shitty but feminism is an evolving movement and hopefully it sheds this shitty fucking hyper aggressive irrational tumblr phase and becomes something that actually attempts to engage with people who criticise it - rather than calling them problematic, sexist, racist or any other number or now seemingly empty terms. I mean I don't really know what you mean by "new age" feminist?
>>8762568
I mean radical lesbian feminists who think you can't "ethically" engage with men in anyway have to go but other than those radical feminists I'd say most would believe they are working to produce an outcome which is "liberating" for both women and men (and whatever other people claim their gender is). Care to elaborate babe?

>>8762575
I don't agree, but why do you think it's childish? Diluted is an interesting criticism though I'm not sure we'd agree on what that means for feminism. I would agree that feminism often, like the MRA movement fails to actually achieve anything for anyone's benefit but create unproductive online disputes but I think feminism genuinely seeks to create positive change. Whereas the MRA movement was reactionary and ended up being hijacked by guys who ruined something that could have provided a space for men to discuss the issues that face them.

>>8762584

Oh god the last thing this planet needs is another "liberation."

>>8762584
>but feminism is an evolving movement
Its literally been devolving for decades as it desperatley tries to remain relevant

>>8762584
Care to elaborate babe?

I have never seen a feminist, radical or not, ever campaign for an issue that effects men. It's only ever issues that benefit them.

>>8762594
Why's that?
>>8762596
You sound mostly angry that something you don't like didn't go away and remains very relevant? How has feminism devolved? What was the high point in feminist thought?

>>8762596

It was based on the premise that women are the same as men so it was doomed to fail from the start. Just because women have (and should have) equal legal rights doesn't mean that it's possible for women to be the same as men in every way.

They're literally a different gender I don't get why this is such a hard concept. Nature gave women the hard job in reproduction, and I'm sorry but that's something they're just going to have to accept.

>>8762603
>something you don't like didn't go away and remains very relevant
>implying its still relevant
It will be gone entirely soon.

>how has it devolved?
Are you joking? Its literally turned into a neomarxist cult obssesed with identity politics and imaginary power structures. The fact you even have to ask when the peak was is just embarassing. It obviously peaked in the 50s and 60s

>>8760878
No. He literally doesn't want to live with them. He doesn't care at all what they do in their own country, where "own country" might very well be a fragment of a deceased United-States. Most of the alt-right believes that America has already been dealt a death blow through immigration and that it will eventually balkanize.

When you talk of the alt-right, you're not talking about a bunch of economic tycoon who believes in exploiting a mass of foreign worker. You're talking to people who want to have a certain kind of neighborhood in a certain kind of a city and a certain kind of country.

>>8762603

>Why's that?

Every time the rights of common men are eroded it's presented as the height of ethical enlightenment.

>>8762605
I agree 100%. Theres no point in arguing that to the femenist guy though, his beliefs are obviously fundamentally different than ours

>>8762617

Some men, you just can't reach.

MRA is Cheeto fingered shit. Nothing more than a bunch of frustrated virginal fedoras lashing out.

I believe in men's rights in the sense that I believe in rights for all--men's rights are as important as anyone's rights in a universal sense. But if you feel like men are systemically disadvantaged in anyway you are delusional and one hell of a wussy ass crybaby man.

The only instance I can think of where a man may be systemically disadvantaged simply for being men is in my own profession. I am an elementary school teacher, and I can tell you for sure I did lose out on a couple jobs simply for being a man but I did get job anyway. Other than that sector I can't think of any instance where men are at a disadvantage.

I also dislike the methods and mindset of third wave feminism but I do adhere to my own definition of feminism which is basically: women should not be marginalized in the workplace, etc. because of their gender and they shouldn't have to put up with shit like random catcalling, etc. (like in a walking down the street context--obviously if you're at the club or something, and some dude hollas put up with that shit or leave).

On an intelligence level women and men are equal. On university entrance exams in the US girls score the same or better than boys on math and science.

However, I do believe women's brains are wired differently. They are not as rational or analytical as men--they are more guided by emotion. And they are also interested in different things naturally.

Third wave feminists like to say that "muh patriarchy" is the reason there aren't many women in STEM, but I truly believe it's because they're not as naturally interested in STEM shit as men, despite being basically as good at it if they pursued it. In the US there is literally nothing stopping a girl who wants to become and engineer or programmer. Women just... aren't as into that shit.

>>8762602
I mean I'd say it's been less of priority but there are women who campaign to have the rape of males recognised as a legitimate issue. In India last year I think a self identified MRA Swarup Sarkar was campaigning for men's rights. I think in part it was because the MRA movement didn't become what it did here in the west which was like pepe memes and feminist bashing. I mean MRA's in India were holding regular meetings and demonstrations, and offering services like legal advice and 24/7 suicide helplines for distressed men. Importantly women were involved in that grass-roots work. I'm sure there are plenty of more examples like this but I'd agree that feminism has for a long time isolated men. I mean early feminists thought that men couldn't even be feminists. A lot's changed.

>>8762626
Is this copy pasta? No one was honestly retarded enough to believe all this was actually worth typing up, right?

>>8762626
The problem is that you give men and women complete freedom to chose and once the differences start to appear, and with them status and income differences, you get a bunch of useless parasite (feminists) who will jinn up some theory of identity construction to make the case that the reason the disparities exist in the first place is that culture is in such and such way. Once they can "establish" these facts, they can petition the government to intervene in order to reform society in such a way that it will no longer produce disparate outcome.

This BS is worth fighting. It's an obvious power play by social actors who would otherwise be recognized as useless, since they produce nothing of value.

>>8762547
>What do you mean? The problem of race tensions?
I'm saying it's not good to be arrogant about something you didn't choose.
Yes sort of, the specific problems i'm talking about is multiculturalism and mass migration.

>Why is an image board suddenly responsible for fixing race relations?
When did i say that?

I'm talking about the truly radical ones, the people who want a 100% white only nation state. Those kind of views are rising in Europe right now, especially in the more secular nordic countries like Sweden and Finland. And political correctness is only adding more fuel to the fire.

As to specific plot holes, here are some:
>The radical right-wing feel enmity towards immigrants, but not toward their own politicians who brought them here
>They project negative traits onto entire groups of people, while reserving the positive ones to their own group
>For example they don't see the opportunism inside themselves, can you really blame a migrant for running towards a welfare utopia?
>Why is race mixing bad, if two people genuinely love and understand each other?
>Why is race mixing bad, if most people prefer to marry within race and culture?
>Why persecute people who are different, when nobody is able to choose what circumstances they are born in?
>What about the people who follow the law and contribute to society, is it fair to demonize them?
>They want to deport minorities, but what if they're half white and half immigrant? What if the white parent resists?
>What if their home countries wont accept them?
>What if the minority personally refuses?
>Will it be a peaceful relocation of ethnic minorities, or a forceful deportation of subhuman vermin?
>Will they get pushed and shoved in the airport by onlookers?
>Will it it be easier and cheaper to just get rid of them back at home?
And so on.
The kind of country that does deportations/executions of its own law abiding citizens is not the same country culturally as one that doesn't. I think it's a slippery slope down to totalitarianism.

>>8762632
Please specifically point out and articulate what you don't like or agree with and then we can have a real discussion.

You're being Carl the Cuck right now.

You're not saying anything substantive, you're just feigning incredulity.

>>8762626
>if you feel like men are systemically disadvantaged in anyway you are delusional and one hell of a wussy ass crybaby man.

The boys that you teach.

>On an intelligence level women and men are equal.

On average they are equal. Men have greater variance.

> On university entrance exams in the US girls score the same or better than boys on math and science.

If girls score the same or better than boys then boys are disadvantaged you moron.

>>8762605
I mean I would agree that physiologically women can not be men and I think there are a lot of female feminists who have no interest in being men. I mean of course you're going to think feminists are insane if you think gender is something that is inherent (is this biological reductionist idk?). I mean it's tricky because I would understand gender as a construct and sex a biological fact. So you're born XY with all the anatomy one would expect - that's your sex. Then you grow up and decide that you like what society would typically call feminine things and you begin to question whether or not you identify with the male. Some real radicals ask whether or not sex is a construct and that's a bit much for me and I'm not really sure what the value of asking that question is. I don't think women reject the reality that they are constrained a bit by being the one who gives birth but feminism wasn't about denying this?
>>8762617
I'm sorry you think there's no arguing with me, I thought we were having a pretty good civil discussion.

>>8762641
>The radical right-wing feel enmity towards immigrants, but not toward their own politicians who brought them here

This is not correct.

>They project negative traits onto entire groups of people, while reserving the positive ones to their own group

Arguably true. Lefty cliche, however.

>For example they don't see the opportunism inside themselves, can you really blame a migrant for running towards a welfare utopia?

They know why the immigrant comes to the west.

>Why is race mixing bad, if two people genuinely love and understand each other?

They're simply disgusted by it as they see zero value in other races. They feel as if something had been desecrated or sullied forever.

>Why persecute people who are different, when nobody is able to choose what circumstances they are born in?

Morality has nothing to do with it and so the underlying subtext of your question -- that it is not fair because the other person is not responsible -- is irrelevant to them. The point is to achieve a certain kind of social ideal which they feel has been lost or made outright impossible because of immigration.

>What about the people who follow the law and contribute to society, is it fair to demonize them?

See above.

>They want to deport minorities, but what if they're half white and half immigrant? What if the white parent resists?

I'm pretty sure they'd kill them.

>What if their home countries wont accept them?

See above.

>What if the minority personally refuses?

See above.

>Will it be a peaceful relocation of ethnic minorities, or a forceful deportation of subhuman vermin?

They don't care.

>Will they get pushed and shoved in the airport by onlookers?

See above.

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>>8760417
The Bell Curve

>>8760503
Yes you do

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>>8760417
Troublesome inheritance.

>>8761290
(I'm not him) What are you even criticizing at this point? Is there even an archetype involving sudoku?

>>8760878
what are social rights?

>>8762477
No, a few have taken root. It's different to Italian fascism though, so Cromwell would be viewed as Anglo Theocratic Fascism and the National Front and similar have actual fascist roots. There's even a handful that argue for monarchical fascism.

>>8762565
It amuses me to think back to the nineties with everyone calling Yugoslavs p much brain dead tribal racists, yet there's been a bunch of Syrians there for ages and ages now and no one really cared.

>>8760934
If you swear by "history repeats itself" you are fucking retarded, I'm sorry. It's chaos wrinkled with weak tendencies with about 0 value as prediction tools. Strong laws exist, but only in your self-magnifying pea brain equipped with its off-the-shelf Rational Thinker starter kit

>>8760959
the feminist's first instinct of attack: "You probably don't get pussy", "I'd never fuck you", etc.

>>8762688
You are suscribing to the myth of progressivism. Time is cyclical, not linear

>>8761006
post yours fatass

>>8762696
Not that guy but he didn't sound very whiggish to me. I think 'Chaos wrinkled with weak tendencies' is pretty accurate. Plenty of empires have looked weak, as though they were about to fall, before resurging massively. I don't really buy Spenglerian cyclicality.

>>8762688
>>8762651
>This is not correct.
Let me phrase it better: They feel MORE enmity towards the immigrants, rather than the politicans who brought them here. Why is this? I thought they were being completely rational about this?
They justify second-hand this by saying things like "Well i'm actually just as appreciative of other cultures and civilizations as i am for my own one. For example i'm a big fan of the Mesopotamian and Native American civilizations, before they were destroyed by barbaric invaders". No, you don't care about other civilizations, you just care about your own one. You feel that you're better than others because you identify with great philosophers, musicians and poets, as if you are one of them just because they look like you.

I can understand if they are disgusted by race mixing, but people do a lot of things that are seen as disgusting by other people. What is it to you what kind of relations other people make? Will it bother you if someone across the country married an asian wife, or a black husband, or a muslim husband? Again, you may think this is wrong, but what does it matter you you? They're an incredibly small minority, since most people prefer to marry within race and religion. If they are so ugly and deprived, who will marry them?

So you agree that it would not be a peaceful relocation, and that it is merely the means to end to achieve a social ideal that is good for the general society? What is this social ideal and how many right-wing neo-nazis are aware of it? How many are in it just because they really want to believe in something? I'm not just advocating for morality, but that there's a growing number of atheist individuals dissatisfied with their perhaps less than average circumstances, and so they latch onto this belief system that tells them that they are special. That they are better than others and are a part of something much greater than them and that other people that look different are coming here to destroy it.
This imagined utopia that you are describing could perhaps in the worst case only be reached by a European mass genocide.

>>8761318
UMass? Hell of a great school to learn the ins and outs of the feminist mental disease.

I agree with you about asians. It's really all about IQ maximization. I want my kid to have more than me. Of course I could stumble on the rare black woman with an IQ above 100 but for the purposes of an expedient search I'm filtering out all blacks and hispanics, giving more weight to east asians (and whites to a lesser degree).

>>8762702

>I don't really buy Spenglerian cyclicality.

The "time is cyclical" guys are only half right. In truth it's a spiral.

>>8762649
>I mean I would agree that physiologically women can not be men and I think there are a lot of female feminists who have no interest in being men. I mean of course you're going to think feminists are insane if you think gender is something that is inherent (is this biological reductionist idk?). I mean it's tricky because I would understand gender as a construct and sex a biological fact. So you're born XY with all the anatomy one would expect - that's your sex. Then you grow up and decide that you like what society would typically call feminine things and you begin to question whether or not you identify with the male. Some real radicals ask whether or not sex is a construct and that's a bit much for me and I'm not really sure what the value of asking that question is. I don't think women reject the reality that they are constrained a bit by being the one who gives birth but feminism wasn't about denying this?
>this whole paragraph?
>ending a declarative sentence with a question mark?

Just suck your cocks and stop feeling the need to justify it to the rest of us

>>8762724
Only if you stop first.

>>8762649

Gender roles are a human universal. If gender is a "construct" then it is as essential a construct as language, tools, or the incest taboo. Come on now, even little birdies and bees have gender roles, it's not like us white guys invented them just to screw over 50% of the population.

Some societies have very egalitarian gender relations but they still recognized distinct gender *roles* so don't bother mentioning the XYZ tribe from lower French Polynesia that supposedly enjoyed a genderless utopia.

>>8762731
But I am not justifying cocksucking or vilifying it. I have sucked cocks. I am not jumping through theoretical hoops to make sure my cocksucking makes sense.

>>8762738
Sounds like you're trying to justify it right there bud.

>>8762737
Oh, hi Ham Sarris

>>8762743

Is he a youtuber? All I know is that he squabbled with Taleb and is an atheist.

>>8762710
>Let me phrase it better: They feel MORE enmity towards the immigrants, rather than the politicans who brought them here. Why is this? I thought they were being completely rational about this?

I very much doubt this thought I don't consider the point to be of importance. But a saying in these circle is that a traitor is worse than an enemy, the implication begin rather obvious.

>You feel that you're better

This is very much a leftist meme. The xenophobia meme is actually much closer to the truth: they do not necessarily believe themselves better (not personally) but they believe their society to be better and, furthermore and more importantly, they utterly loathe the presence of what they perceive as foreign elements into their society. The self esteem boost they gain from this is very low.

>but people do a lot of things that are seen as disgusting by other people

The irreversible character of race mixing gets them really bad. There's also the fact that women are more reproductively valuable than men.

But if you go look at /pol/, you'll read a lot about "degeneracy", which is supposed to denote a general degradation of the mores of the people, which is then linked with immigration somehow, perhaps because it is thematically related to a kind of softness and permissiveness that also causes the acceptance of migrants.

>good for the general society

I'm not sure they're motivated by this kind of abstract ideal. It's more visceral.

>How many are in it just because they really want to believe in something?

Some but not a lot from what I can get.

>they latch onto this belief system that tells them that they are special

Again, this is a leftist meme. Trust more into their utter disgust than in their need for self esteem. Maybe it makes you feel good to think of them as generally despondent or miserable, and perhaps there's a sense in which that's true, but their feeling of discomfort, their impression of losing their home, their disgust, are stronger.

>This imagined utopia that you are describing could perhaps in the worst case only be reached by a European mass genocide.

Civil war imagery abounds. They consider Japan and South Korea to be model societies with respect to demographic makeup.

>>8762746
Okay Sam ;^)

>>8762649
I don't accept the concept of gender at all, except as the conceptulisation of the societal expectations of a given sex. Ultimately, it is rooted in sex, which is settled in an individual before birth and is unchangeable. The differences in sex go deeper than the role they play in reproduction, although that role is the source of their differences. Many object to both feminism and the male equivalents (MGTOW, MRA) because all of these groups fail to acknowledge the deep differences in sex that logically equate to the deep differences in the roles that they are expected to play in society (what you would call gender).

>>8762748
>Maybe it makes you feel good to think of them as generally despondent or miserable, and perhaps there's a sense in which that's true, but their feeling of discomfort, their impression of losing their home
And in writing that you didn't think there's like some kind of connection there?

>>8762710
Not that anon, but

>They justify second-hand this by saying things like "Well i'm actually just as appreciative of other cultures and civilizations as i am for my own one. For example i'm a big fan of the Mesopotamian and Native American civilizations, before they were destroyed by barbaric invaders".
I don't know who you mean. The alt-righters/racists don't usually so that, IME.

>What is it to you what kind of relations other people make? Will it bother you if someone across the country married an asian wife, or a black husband, or a muslim husband? Again, you may think this is wrong, but what does it matter you you?
If "other people" are seen as your kin, it all matters. Why wouldn't it matter?
Secondly, it's related to the "sanctity foundation" as per Haidt, so when someone is "flushing their precious genes down the toilet" there's a feeling of disgust/indignation.

>..What is this social ideal...
That's a tough question, but it's tough for every politician and political movement. Scrutinize them and you'll see that none of them has a tight logical foundation and a clearly defined plan. They usually keep on spouting whatever vague stuff appeases the masses.
Politics is one big mess with moving goalposts and many "plot holes" as you say.

>that other people that look different are coming here to destroy it.
That's true to an extent, though. Go to (parts of) Paris or London. For extra fun go there as an openly gay person or scantily dressed woman.
Mind you, I'm not saying Europeans are angels or that they didn't do "bad stuff", but the current trends (for the last 50ish years) are very evident. European places are becoming less and less European, so the fears are justified.

>>8762754
No because he doesn't do it to feel good per se.

He's disgusted by the alt-right and THEN imagines them miserable. But he doesn't imagine them miserable in order to gain a boost in self esteem but because it pleases him to imagine them as suffering being. It feels good to imagine them being miserable because of their imagined suffering.

It's the same thing in the sense that it starts from disgust and hatred, and pleasurable in the sense that it's a sort of mental revenge to imagine them as losers but it doesn't start from a need for self-esteem.

It's just my view that when you "out group" people, hatred and disgust are primary.

>>8762762
You've changed the subject of your argument you idiot.

>>8762761
>That's true to an extent, though. Go to (parts of) Paris or London. For extra fun go there as an openly gay person or scantily dressed woman.
>Mind you, I'm not saying Europeans are angels or that they didn't do "bad stuff", but the current trends (for the last 50ish years) are very evident. European places are becoming less and less European, so the fears are justified.
You've taken the form of an example but not actually given anything concrete.

>>8762763
Almost certain there's been a miscommunication here.

>And in writing that you didn't think there's like some kind of connection there?

What was the connection supposed to be?

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>>8762761

>That's true to an extent, though. Go to (parts of) Paris or London. For extra fun go there as an openly gay person or scantily dressed woman.

I don't understand why Europeans take that lying down.

>>8762765
Are you being obtuse on purpose? Non-Europeans are coming to European neighborhoods with their distinct biological and cultural properties, and therefore essentially destroying* previous societies.

*perhaps a more neutral term would be 'changing', but since old societies are gone 'destroying' fits too

>>8762766
Genuine question, are you ever aware of being a pseud or does it just sort of happen?

You wrote above something to the effect of "It's not that they [the anti-immigration whoevers] are unhappy, it's that they don't like being unhappy". Maybe you feel you said something more profound than that, but I don't believe so. You then made the same argument but switched the poster you replied to with the anti-immigration lot.

>>8762771
Did you just reply to someone pointing out you're being obtuse with an overly long no u?

You don't understand Europe and our kapc.e history with immigration. London and Paris have had it going back probably longer than your dumbass country has existed.

>>8762772
>"It's not that they [the anti-immigration whoevers] are unhappy, it's that they don't like being unhappy".

Yeah I didn't say anything like that.

>>8762775
Yeah, it was much smarterer, I get it. You're probably not an obscurantist or a pseud, sure. It's everyone else.

>>8762776
I emphasized that their disgust is primary and not a way to gain self esteem. This isn't any more profound than the reverse thesis. Stop sperging on me.

>>8762770
Several reasons, but mostly apathy and indifference towards ideas like "my race" and "the distant future".
People don't get mad until their new neighbor starts allah ackbaring or nigging in their face. Fresh from Rome, Italy:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e43_1479914309

Most Europeans are not affected that much by immigrants anyway, which are usually confined to few big cities.

>>8762779
>I emphasized that their disgust is primary and not a way to gain self esteem. This isn't any more profound than the reverse thesis.
P S E U D
Like actual dyed in the world pseud right there. Explain how your emphasized, yet profound, thesis of primacy is different to what was said above then.

>Stop sperging on me.
You can stop responding any time.

>>8762790
>oh their life is bad and that's why they scapegoat the migrants
>maybe with some social programs their life would be better and they wouldn't blame them

No. Disgust / hatred is primary.

>>8762798
this whole "they blame migrants for their problems" shit is pulled out of fucking nowhere
I have never seen any so-called alt-right person express this opinion

>>8762798
Right, it's not that they're unhappy [life is bad], they don't like being unhappy [they hate life being bad], oh yeah I see now.

Did you know you were being an obscurantist pseud btw?

>>8762800
Which is why I called it a leftist meme.

>>8762801
m8, you are an absolute fuckhead

>>8762800
You're right, though they seem to think migration being stopped or white people having to be with white people is good. Of course they at the same time have no problems fulfilling their dreams.

>>8762804
Boohoo. If you're going to say something try to make some sense ffs.

>>8762807

>they seem to think migration being stopped or white people having to be with white people is good

They're right though.

At least in regard to the first point, where refugees and unskilled immigrants are concerned. People don't really have any problem with Freedom of movement of WORKERS (as it was originally in the Treaty of Rome, to use a European example).

It's the Freedom of movement of PEOPLE per se, that people don't like - such as being compelled to take in countless useless shitskins who form ghettos, rape natives, etc.

But then I'm opening a can of worms as these people don't believe in 'natives'/etc.

>>8762809
I'm not the guy you are arguing with.

>>8762813
ayy lmao

>>8762812
>At least in regard to the first point, where refugees and unskilled immigrants are concerned. People don't really have any problem with Freedom of movement of WORKERS (as it was originally in the Treaty of Rome, to use a European example).
Treaty of Rome is all about movement of unskilled workers you idiot. There's no point in a skilled Dutch tulip farm technician being able to move to Scotland and work in shipbuilding.

>>8762813
I thought that might be coming up, which is why the comment could be aimed at anyone.

>>8762815

1) It wasn't.

2) Even if it was, it would have been clearly stupid then. Unskilled workers, be they refugees or otherwise, shouldn't have the freedom to move anywhere.

>>8762824
I gave you an example of why it was. You going "It wasn't" isn't convincing in the least.

>>8762692
On a psychological level a lot of sexism is just about sex, and feelings of inferiority.

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>>8762748
Original guy here.
I'll buy the whole disgust versus superiority thing. I also think part of it is that they are tired of the politically correct establishment and being vilified as racists. This only makes their resolve stronger.
But yes, there is a strong biological basis to this.

So let race mixing be a taboo. It happens so infrequently in Europe anyway that it's not a problem at all, especially if you have a sensible immigration policy. Most people hang out with their own people anyway, they don't socialize much with people from other groups.

I don't see why this must result in the mass deportation of all immigrants, regardless of whether they are radicalized islamists living on welfare or iranian doctors wanting to live in a secular democracy.

There's a reason why people move to more democratic societies, it's not exactly an easy choice to leave your cultural homeland. They do it because they'd rather live as an ethnic and cultural outsider in a democratic and liberal country, than stay in a war torn homeland that is ruled by tyrannic dictators and religious totalitarianism.

>>8762761
>"flushing their precious genes down the toilet"
By that logic choosing to remain celibate or getting a vasectomy is the same thing. Even getting hit by a truck could be seen as a genetic tragedy for the white race.

There should be a tight logical foundation for such a mass scale project though. Especially with what comes after the supposed cleanse. Will European countries just be ethnically homogenous nationalist societies? Will they adopt a religion or a political doctrine?

>This thread

>>8760489
>I actually suppory extreme nationalism
L a s t m a n

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What can we as fiction writers do to help the alt-right? Can we start an alt right literary movement?

>>8762842
>They do it because they'd rather live as an ethnic and cultural outsider in a democratic and liberal country, than stay in a war torn homeland that is ruled by tyrannic dictators and religious totalitarianism.

Or, you know, they mostly just want a better standard of living with more TVs, iPhones, loose women, potable tap water...
And if they're not forced to culturally integrate (they are not) even better for them.

Let's not romanticize people, whether they're natives or migrants. By and large people are selfish cunts and don't give a shit about some abstract political ideals, especially working class people.
It's this type of deluded romanticization from the "humanist leftists" that often makes people become "nazis".


>>"flushing their precious genes down the toilet"
>By that logic choosing to remain celibate or getting a vasectomy is the same thing.
No. Flushing genes down the toilet is perhaps a wrong phrase to use here. It's more about (1)tainting the community and (2)saying you don't give a shit about your "race", which is a kind of sacrilege.

>>8762952
(1) They don't want to integrate but are coming for western culture.
(2) Rationalization for not getting laid.

1...2...1...2...

>>8762916
yeah, its called poz cuckold erotica

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>>8762770

It's what you get when your state has been Bernie Sanders vision for decades.
Everyone wants the state to come up with solutions to life's problems, all problems. If the state is inept to do so, the people wait in the cold and feel themselves unable to respond to any challenge then.

Europeans are truly meak-mannered. After having lived in America for a while and coming back, I'd say Americans are much more strong-willed. They are much more individualistic, to the point it looks autistic sometimes, but at least it shows a will to be different, compared to euro's who have their surroundings' opinion always in mind.
Social democracy has fucked with us. It's a good thing we're breaking it down, because it creates a weak population that stands defenseless against serious threats.

>>8762952
Yeah there are the people who just want a free ticket to a good life. Europe certainly offers that.

>tainting the community
Fine, but most white people in Europe don't do it. If it happens out of ~love~, who can stand in the way of them?

>saying you don't give a shit about your "race", which is a kind of sacrilege.
Not really. I don't think the average white person wants mulatto kids that don't look like him/her.

Let's not forget warriors who rape and impregnate the women of the conquered tribe, which humans have done for thousands of years. There isn't really an inherent morality to this.

>>8763062
Even if white people go extinct their teachings of freedom and love will live on through christianity...

>>8763062
Breeding white women is the best.
They would do anything, and I mean anything to keep their man.
They allow you to fuck their ass or deepthroat them, and when they are getting old and saggy, they go through months of pain filled recovery to get firmer breasts and tighter skin and or vaginal entrance.

White women are the best.

>>8762626
>They are not as rational or analytical as men--they are more guided by emotion
When selecting approaches to problems women will often choose a more systematic approach, which is usually analytic.

>>8763100
Married white guy here.

Lies, all lies.

>>8762564
A couple questions:

In which ways would a patriarchal society be bad?

In which ways would a feminist society be bad? Surely it would have 91st least some negative aspects to it, you're not creating a utopia here.

Can you confirm that gender roles are the result of socialization through patriarchal rule?

>>8763077
>implying modern christianity isn't a neopagan parody of itself

>>8762835
And a lot of feminism is too (see: fat+ugly+stupid feminists). That alone doesn't discredit either idea.

>>8762626

But women score lower than men on the math section of the SAT

>>8764394
The only s
ection that really matters (productively)