Anyone have recommended reading on the philosophy of altering

>>8745227
>Anyone have recommended reading on the philosophy of altering your state of mind?
My diary desu, I am schizophrenic.

Psychedelics tell you that the Spiritual is only accessible through the Material, which is a lie. You can permanently alter your Mind through contemplation alone. Gnosis - it works.

Phenomenology of Spirit

>>8745251

I don't understand where this extremely popular, completely wrong belief got started. What you can do while sober isn't the same as what psychedelic compounds do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spdxWhKxpF8

>>8745251
>Psychedelics tell you that the Spiritual is only accessible through the Material
No they dont. They tell you that the spiritual is accessible through material but it doesnt imply "only". Where on earth did you get that idea?

>>8745227
Doors of perception

>>8745227
The Psychedelic Experience

>>8745227
Deepak Chopra and Terrence McKenna.

Basically just remain an adolescent pseud for the rest of your life

>>8745390
This. It's basically Tim Leary writing a manual on how to use psychedelics. Other than some quackery (his model of consciousness has psychedelics evoking a circuit of consciousness reserved for space-faring societies, complete with telepathy or some shit iirc) the guide itself is useful to OP's purposes.

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Do ketamine instead and read this desu

>>8745479
This

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>>8745227

>>8745281
THIS

>>8745997
Jesus H. Christ. I'm surprised someone who likes to get that fucked up can still read.

Pihkal is great tho

>>8745227
Marxist philosophy

>>8746053
Psychedelics dont really affect your cognitive abilities (long term at least) if you do them in moderation. Stay away from dissociatives though, that shit will make you a pemanent space cadet

how about something not requiring drugs at all? i'm more interested in psychological change through oneself

>>8746259
>im getting high on life!
I dont care what anyone says about reaching new planes through meditation, NOTHING will ever get you even close to the places hallucinogenic drugs do.

>>8746255
What do you mean? I did dxm a couple times and am just fine

>>8746262
i don't mind, but drugs and drug experiences are just not interesting to me. i'd like to read about experiences achieved without them

>>8746266
A few times is fine, but if youve ever met someone whos "into" dissociatives, theyre very off, and they never really return to normal. Also dissociatives dont have the amount of research behind them psychs do, and so the long term effects on the brain are unkown

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>>8745479

>>8746275
Its different then meditation. With meditation you are observing from an objective perspective all stuff going on around you. Like it should get to the point where you view external sounds the same as your current emotions. I am trying to achieve this right now. Psychedelics make you think about shit your doing wrong in your life. Its really forced.

>>8746283
I looked up the term space cadet. I am actually like that..I can be having a conversation with someone like my mom and completely zone out and not know what they were saying, but I know they were talking, like I am aware that they were speaking and I was not listening. Fuck I fucked up lol..

>>8745227
my diary desu

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"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

>>8746291
>Psychedelics make you think about shit your doing wrong in your life. Its really forced.
Really narrow description. Psychs do so much more than just that. Ive had pleanty of trips where i was just left in complete and utter awe in the face of the infinite and had no personal introspection at all

>>8746291
>Psychedelics make you think about shit your doing wrong in your life. Its really forced.
vissapanna style meditation encourages the same thing, but just as with meditation you can observe the thought and let it pass as a new ones comes along

>>8745390
Leary was an asshat
>>8745281
Yes
>>8745412
Cant say for deepak but mckenna has everyone's favorite opinions on psychedelics
>>8746255
Just keep it in the tryptamine family. The body knows how to metabolize those.
>>8745227
Richard evanes schultes, albert hoffman, dennis and terence mckenna, rick strassman, graham hancock.

>>8746391
Thats the thing. With shrooms its at the point where I am on the bed in a world of hell as they are forcing this bad thought to continue

>>8746411
You suck at doing shrooms then

>>8745260
you got a lotta bawls linking terence mckenna in a post that is intended to be taken seriously

>>8746411
Shrooms are described as a harsh teacher for a reason. Its unpleasent, but its pretty effective at nailing the point into youe skull so you cant simply brush it off later.

>>8745997
is pihkal an actual book? like with a story? i always thought it was just a text book

>>8746432
Its a compendium of substances. Describes synthesis, dosage, subjective effects, etc for various chemicals. No story or fiction whatsoever

>>8745254
Best answer
>>8745479
Good answer
>>8746259
Read great philosophy and literature. Listen to great music. Lose yourself in art. Create something yourself. Engage in a dialog with the best of human creation. Reading Hegel is a much more transcendent experience than taking acid, as someone who has done both. (Although the experiences compliment each other well. Some of of my favorite things to do while tripping are contemplating whatever I've been reading recently and discussing philosophy with someone).
>>8746283
I've never done Ketamine or DXM, but I have done MXE a number of times and it's definitely the most intellectually-friendly drug I have had. Unlike psychedelics or marijuana, MXE does not severely lower the capacity for complex thought. In fact, it encourages thought, by reducing sensory input, partially isolating the self from the other.
>>8746402
Worst post ITT. You clearly have no idea how drugs work, and you have shit taste. Let me guess: you also love Tool and Alex Grey.

>>8746418
How do you get better?

>>8746476
you seem awful

>>8746552
This is 4Chan /lit/ not /psy/. I don't know what you expected of not smug pseudo intellectuals who like to read notoriously difficult books.

>>8746432
It's an autobiography of alexander and anne's shulgin's life and marriage

>>8746449
you've obviously never even read the book

>>8746476
dissociatives are definitely interesting but about their "intellectual-friendl[iness]", idk
there are definitely adverse effects with nmda antagonists and long-term abuse seems to result in diminished cognitive abilities and memory loss

>>8746594
ann shulgin*

>>8746594
>It's an autobiography of alexander and anne's shulgin's life and marriage
half the book is

>>8746594
>you've obviously never even read the book
why? my answer was wrong because I didnt know the first half was an auto biography, but Im right about exactly what the second half of the book is.

>>8745260

Contemplation, not meditation, guy.

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>>8745227
Erowid experience vaults :^)

>>8746476
not that anon but
whats wrong with tool and alex grey?

>>8747225
not him, but magical ideation is wrong with tool and alex grey.

>>8746402
Get a load of this guy.
A druggie pseud who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Total fucking unicorn.

>>8747249
ahh. i always thought they were more about OP's question of altering your state of mind and opening your mind to the world around you.

>>8747258
You can say that's what they're about, but their methods are wacky and counterproductive. I've heard Maynard unironically talk about women having a stronger connection to men with the moon, and implying Earth the planet having a distinct spirit capable of will, for example. There's opening your mind, and there's opening it so far your brain spills on the floor.

>>8745227
You are scum

Do you guys have an idea why Henry Miller only writes about alcohol and almost never about drugs? It's kind of strange. They've had lots of drugs since the beginning of the belle epoque .. cocaine, heroine, weed, morphine, opium tincture, ether... etc. Just rereading the tropics again and now that I'm not a teen anymore this seems kinda strange to me the only drug of choice is alcohol
... was it self censureship on Millers part, because society wasnt ready to have a book about hard drugs?

>>8747435
Every other drug gets boring after you do it 20 times. Alcohol never does. This from personal experience

>>8747461
weed is boring per default but uppers arrent

>>8746262
This is wrong

>>8745277
>Where on earth did you get that idea?

Directly from his anus

>>8747461
Alcohol got boring after 2 uses. Its literally the most boring depressent there is

>>8747831
Ok. Id like to see you meditate your way to DMT land

>>8747831
Pretty sure things like entity contact, fractal geometry, OBEs, and ego death dont occur with a sober mind

>>8747852
The mind can enter non-sobriety without outside substances

>>8747846
DMT land is babby tier

>>8747855
It literally cant based on the definition of sobriety. And again, I dont think experiencing any of things without drugs is possible unless you have mental illness

>>8747859
Compared to fucking what? Theres no literally no change of conciousness as profound and removed from reality as DMT

>>8747870
Once you've had it then you understand

>>8747873
Once youve had DMT then you youd understand

>>8747876
How long does your DMT last you? What's the longest time one experience has stayed with you?

>>8747882
The actual effects? 15 minutes. It has chsnged me permenantly though

>>8747887
Only 15 minutes

>>8747891
And?

>>8747870
5-meo-dmt?
large doses of ketamine/pcp?

>>8747891
Oral DMT lasts about 8 hours

>>8747898
I'm being entirely pretentious. Did any of those DMT experience ever give you the mystical experience? Some people get the mystical experience from psychedelics and anesthetics. I had mine lucid

>>8747898
It has chsnged me permenantly though

You seem like a fag.

>>8747901
>5 meo dmt
>dissociatives
>more mind altering than nn dmt

Truly spoken like someone talking out of his ass

>>8747910
Forgot the >

>>8747904
>Did any of those DMT experience ever give you the mystical experience?
Literally all of them. I dont think its possible not to have a mystical experience on DMT

>>8747910
K. Learn to use greentext retard

>>8747919
Okay so you really "get" things

You "get" everything then, because when you have that experience, you absolutely understand. Will you tell me a bit about your experience?

>>8747921
I dont know what youre talking about

>>8747926
Then you must not have had it

Do you know what THE mystical experience is? It's not just any altered state of consciousness, it's THE experience. If you have no had this experience, you're not living, you're sleeping

If you've had it you know exactly what I'm talking about

>>8747919
I've taken DMT hundreds of times and only once had anything you'd describe as remotely like a mystical experience

>>8747931
Are you talking about Shulgin's ++++ (plus four) or what some would call "satori"

>>8747935
Satori, yes, that's one name for it

>>8747931
>THE experience
No such thing

>>8747932
Ok buddy ;)

>>8747937
>>8747935
Enlightenment doesnt exist, you are trapped by your subjective limitations, and any "awakening" youve experienced is an illusion

>>8746286

Damn it, I've always wanted so badly to make that woman moan...

>>8747945
This is being pretentious because you don't know better. You literally have no idea because you haven't had it, and there's no way to understand until you do have it, and it's all down to chance whether you ever will

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>>8747948

my nigga

>>8747945
not "enlightenment" but a transcendental experience. Alexander Shulgin, a scientist, described it thusly:
A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a "peak experience," a "religious experience," "divine transformation," a "state of Samadhi" and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment.
—Alexander Shulgin, PIHKAL, pages 963–965

>>8747969
It happens arguably more often without drugs though

>>8747955
So we are validating everyones subjective experiences and assuming they are accurate descriptions of objective reality? Lol kys

>>8747975
Because psychedelics arent often used in general. Its way easier to reach on drugs than sober

>>8747975
i'm not a guy that argues that it doesn't but i will say it is much harder without the aid of drugs

>>8747980
That's true

>>8747982
All chance-based yeah, but people coming back from war or intense depression can often get it and have been recorded doing so

>>8747939
>Ok buddy ;)
...yes? You can buy it on silk road, usually comes in little blue half-gram plastic baggies. Beige powder, smells like burnt plastic when you vaporise it. I used to do it a lot. Maybe you're just simple minded if you thought you were having a mystical experience coincidentally after every time you knowingly took a powerful hallucinogenic.

>>8748055
A mystical experience is defined by thinking you had one. You can only think you had one, you cant actually 'know' you experienced ultimate reality

>>8748079
Then the guy I'm responding to is just as dumb as I thought.

>>8748055
And how many times have you had a breakthrough?

>>8747043
>wrong about 1/2 of what you're talking about
>thinking you're right

>>8748087
How? That corresponds exactly with what he said

>>8745997
:")

god bless u anon
so jelly

>>8748088
I didn't count. This sounds like you're trying to set the conversation up for some no-true-scotsman bullshit, pathetic. Pull your head out of your ass.

>>8748055
silk road exists?

>>8748090
He literally said "my answer was wrong"

>>8748102
Not in like 5 years

>>8748101
i live in dc/ny anyone know where i can meet someone who knows where to find a ceremony? i've done them in peru before. or where to just find deemsters.

>>8748079
>ultimate reality
how new

>>8748101
Im just wondering how many breakthroughs youve had. Youre definetly the minority of people who wouldnt describe a breakthrough on dmt as mystical. Most people including me would say its the epitome of a mystical experience

>>8748114
>full Definition of mysticism. 1 : the experience of mystical union or direct communion with ultimate reality reported by mystics.

>>8748093
You're saying that all it takes to have a mystical experience is to believe you've had one. You could be having one right now, if only you chose to believe it. If you think that you're in touch with some higher reality after taking drugs then you're a mung. Hallucinogens make you see stuff that isn't there, that's what they do. Why would you believe any of it?

>>8748102
Note my use of the past tense.

>>8748124
>You could be having one right now, if only you chose to believe it.
Yes

>If you think that you're in touch with some higher reality after taking drugs then you're a mung
I dont think that, but nice strawman

>>8748128
just trying to figure it out mate. relax.

>>8748110
ceremonies of what?

>>8748137
think he's talking about ayahuasca

>>8748110
not sure

>>8748130
>full Definition of mysticism. 1 : the experience of mystical union or direct communion with ultimate reality reported by mystics.

>>8748147
We are subjective beings that only have subjective experiences. I dont think anyones had a "real" mystical experience, you are binded by your own subjectivity. Any moment can be mystical if choose to precieve it that way

>>8747976
Underrated post

>>8748172
If you have what you call mystical experience then by definition you must believe there is a higher reality for you to have experienced it. What you're telling me is that in your personal world view there is no such thing as a mystical experience because there is no higher reality. But you're insisting on using the word "mystical" incorrectly because you haven't realised that yet.

>>8748189
Staunch

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>>8748189
Sh-shut up!

>>8748189
Objectivity = higher reality
Subjectivity = our reality
You can only experience the latter. Any encounter you have with higher reality is forced into your subjective perception, and thus no longer objective. Mystical experiences cant exist because of the nature of being a subject, we only "feel" that we have mystical experiences

>>8748254
Tone deafness

>>8748273
Fuck thats actually a good point.

>>8748172
>>8748189
As a mere initiate myself to both psychedelics and philosophy, i think what psychedelics does (especially large doses) is change the nature of subjectivity itself. Sometimes, but not always to the point of total ego-loss.

Im also tempted to say psychedelics takes you so far out of your normal everday subjective mind, that percieving the effects of the drug itself as an illusion or hallucination does nothing to diminish its effects.
I think therefore, that "mystical experiences" are almost inevitable on a strong dose of psychedelics. Look no further than the good friday experiments. Peoples subjective perception of the drug experience is to me totally worthless. The "truth" of the experience leans more toward the objective in my view. What Huxley called "the suchness of reality"

>>8748254
This is where i disagree, the psychedelics removes subjective thought in very peculiar way . Or maybe filters it out for small periods of time? I don't really know. I just know it changes the way you percieve your own subjectivity in a direction that suggest a movement towards the objective. I do not however want to call psychedelics a way to attain ultimate truth, i think a lot of "psychonauts" externalize their experience to easily. Maybe what im trying to say is, psychedelics show you a more objective version of yourself?

>>8745277
>>8747835

Even the few people who have gained anything from them can't shut up about the sensory fireworks. It seems like knowledge is secondary to the pointless Material roller coaster.

>>8748351
Nothing wrong with sensory fireworks, i love that shit.

But seriously, psychs arent useful if your head is already empty. I think theyre mainly good for re-evaluating your belief structure and knowledge

>>8748351

>Even the few people who have gained anything from them can't shut up about the sensory fireworks.

You are utterly correct sir! The problems seems to lie in the inability to properly express what happens to you on the trip itself.

After it's over you are left with only an incomplete image If you haven't had the experience you really are blind to it. I can't speak to the effects of meditation, but im no dalai lama (neither are you). I just eat some assorted funghi from time to time.

>>8747931
>THE mystical experience is
>I dont think anyones had a "real" mystical experience


What is meant by this, is a particular flooding the brain with particular energies/chemicals?
An intense manic elation, where the normal thinking of normal day to day life and world, disappears, and you are confronted purely with the individual existential existence of your existence as a part of and among it all, you may intimately connect in a true exalted love with the incredible nature which birthed you, to be emotionally and tearfully awestruck by its size and powers and genius and potentials and styles, not an analytical a is a 1 is 1 h20 is h20 but an overwhelming surprise and startlement at the realness of reality and the realness of yourself, your brain might be flooded, your third eye temple pituitary throbbing, it might feel like 1,000 orgasms a second, is this the mystical experience? you are in a waking dream, all the normal neat and tidy boxes of thought and description and repetitive schedule and plan of your routine back and forth pong with yourself, the world, your memories, your way of imagining and thinking, all gets swirled up, different thoughts from different angles, the subconscious is confused, you must try to cater and reconcile, to try to lucidify this dream and make sure it does not become a nightmare, but oh no, you just remembered night mare and badness is possible, abort abort, I wanna go home, happy thoughts happy thoughts, face to face with your truest self, stuck in your head, as always, viewing your inner screens differently, mystical? The genius of the spirits of nature of how much work and effort constructed these fucking epic titanous vehicles to explore selfdom, ever non uncomplexly, normal ticks and bothers and pains and worries about this or that fade into the background as you become the lonely wolf necessarily on the hunt, no time to worry about if you are 76.75732% hungry or 78, or what of 3,000 snacks you might choose, or which of billion cells might itch or fearfully feel damaged, or heartbreak, unless you think of it, then you cant escape the heartbreak, why did she do that, what can I do to make her love me, sad sad sad, more sad, how to get away from the sadness, to build a machine that can feel 5 units of pleasure, and to improve it to 10, and then 50, and where are we at now, to reach that mystical experience, how many units of pure cosmic energy must we continuously discretely siphon through our essence nodes, to spazz our spirit with a moment of eternal absolute triumph of the celebration of the fact of absolutely yes you are really existing, and everything that makes up your experience is really a part of your potential activity and choices, and so much and so little can mean so much and so little to you, and you give and take, and you need and want, and you internally see the man or whatever you are, in the aetheric mind mirror, and you always want more

>>8748556
Is this a joke post? Did some fedora post this on reddit?

>>8745227
The Tao of Physics.

>>8748607
is this a legitimately good book?

>>8748556

>Too much drugs, the post

Everything in moderation, including moderation.

>>8747865
I'm not him.
But I'm gonna try and put this as best I can because I know what he's getting at.

Given time and effort one can force their mind to alter itself in a way that allows them to imagine visuals and disassociate from their physical body. OBEs and visuals are not exclusively drug induced. These people can In effect force themselves into mental illness, with an odd awareness of the illness that doesn't occur normally which allows them to continue to be highly functional.

>>8748790
anon

im afraid you dont know what he's getting at

>>8748790
>Wow, awareness of mental illness is better than total ignorance. Especially in severe cases of autism.

Look, psychedelics are but a tool. Sprinkling gold dust on turd, doesn't make it any less of a turd. Much like some of the books you read on spirituality you like to think you understand...

>>8748586
>Is this a joke post? Did some fedora post this on reddit?

*tips kangol* exquisite baseless contentless unshameless counter points m'reetard

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>>8747831

>I can will my brain into dosing itself with endogenous chemicals equivalent to a 5 gram psilocybe cubensis trip

Why are so many straight edge retards convinced chemistry doesn't matter?

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Yesterday i did my calculus work in the morning and the rest of the day felt like an acid trip. Maybe try that.

>>8749599
Posts that stupid don't deserve a serious refutation. If you were as enlightened as you claim you wouldn't be this upset, nor would you be posting rambling paragraphs of pure cancer.

can someone help me and tell me where to get

>>8749634
to be fair the guy didnt say anythign close to what you guys are suggesting he said and desu change without drugs can probably be just as insightful if not more constructive.

>>8749634
and risk-free

>>8748556

shut the fuck up please.

>>8749793

That's shitty magical thinking. Your brain isn't made out of magic, it runs on chemicals. You might as well believe your car can run better on concentrated positive thoughts than it can on gasoline, same magic flapdoodle idea. Psychedelic drugs do something powerful that can't be substituted with willpower.

>>8749932
>willpower

You have no idea what you're talking about obviously, if that wasn't already readily apparent.

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>>8749987
>You might as well believe your car can run better on concentrated positive thoughts than it can on gasoline, same magic flapdoodle idea.

You're obviously not interested in having a discussion in good faith with these ridiculous strawmen.

>>8750008

Also not an argument. If you disagree with the analogy, explain why using actual reasons.

>>8750013
Ask me again two more times and maybe I'll consider it.

>>8749932
>Psychedelic drugs do something powerful that can't be substituted with willpower.
No more than your car can drive like it's using NOS when it's just filled with gasoline just by willing it to happen. Drugs aren't magic but they are a different chemical to what's usually there, resulting in a different function.

Anybody who takes drugs as serious/a way to completely alter their life is going about it wrong. I've done various hallucinogens quite a few times and beyond the sensory experience, it really isn't much once you really contemplate about the experience. Any philosophy/way of thinking you acquire while high can be easily torn apart by more thoughtful examination while sober. This also means that using drugs as a philosophical self help tool is just retarded. In short, drugs are fun and should only alter your way of thinking slightly, but anything beyond that is just pseud tier.

>>8749718
>Posts that stupid

Another baseless, contentless tautological appeal to lack of authority ad hominem declaration
>If you were as enlightened as you claim you wouldn't be this upset,

Never claimed to be enlightened, now as if it wasnt safe before, it is safe to assume you are projecting your insecurity.

Am not "this" upset, let alone upset at all, merely humorlessly expressed how your ad hominem was baseless and contentless, and was hoping you would have provided a single example of something which you had an explicit reason for declaring is incorrect (not; youre stupid cuz youre stupid because I am saying youre stupid because your smart and you made my brainy feel weird so I need to say your stupid because your stupid and im smart because im saying your stupid)

>nor would you be posting rambling paragraphs of pure cancer.

Another baseless, contentless tautological appeal to lack of authority ad hominem declaration

I am something of a writer, why would I not write rambling paragraphs of "that which hurt my feewings, sensitive world view and sense of self must be cancer right mommy?"

A bunch of bitter, self inflated shut-ins like /lit? Of course y'all have awful opinions on psychedelics lol.

>>8749813
Damn, someone just forced me to read this post (tbhfamalam my mum is holding me right now because my world view has been harmed)

can you shut the fuck up please.

>>8750284
>I am something of a writer

Could've fooled me.

>all this mad

If mystical drug experiences lead people to act like this, I'll pass thanks.

>>8750305
>If mystical drug experiences lead people to act like this

Act like what? Desiring to witness baseless slanderous claims attempt to be explicitly proven warranted with at least an attempt at an offering of a piece of evidence? Why would I, me, myself, not be curious to know if that which dissed me actually had any unobjectionable substantial substance at all, that was contained in and the source of that diss, I am absolutely curious to know such a truth, I could not be, but that would be no fun for me, and I despise (most) mysteries. But now it seems I can be quite certain that you were were a senselessly barking dog, and now here I am, a man, pissing into the wind.

>>8750068
>Anybody who takes drugs as serious/a way to completely alter their life is going about it wrong. I've done various hallucinogens quite a few times and beyond the sensory experience, it really isn't much once you really contemplate about the experience.

I am in no way advocating drugs at all, but I went skiing once and it sucked

>>8750362
You lack self-awareness. The drugs haven't helped with that. People like taking the easy way out and it rarely amounts to anything. That's my point.

>>8750404

I have only taken drugs (psycha) once, 7 years ago, but you are right, I am not anything like a real person myself at all in anyway, I am not and have not built a personage of memory, experience and knowledge over course of my life, I am pure crazy drug, you know a lot about my intimate self, and you know all of this because you know I am pure crazy drug.

You lack self-awareness.
The lack of drugs haven't helped with that
You have taken the easy way out in relation to me asking for explicit reasons as to why you dissed my writing.
You dont have a point, because this back and forth started because you dissed my writing, and I was curious if you could highlight exact referential reasons for the diss, thats my point.

>>8750452
I found your post off-putting because there was a good discussion going and then you posted a giant wall of text showcasing the insane thoughts of a person completely lost inside their own head without a hint of care about anything going on outside of it, completely derailing the thread. Happy?

>>8750522
There were multiple posts back and forth arguing whether the same states of being could be reached as per with psych drug as per without it, and a discussion on the meaning of 'mystical' experience, my post was 1) absolutely ignorable. 2) absolutely on (multiple relevant) topic. Happy, yes. Believe your reasoning is warranted and sincere? no. We will end this discussion now for the good of all.

>>8750719
>Believe your reasoning is warranted and sincere? no.

Your post was stupid so I made fun of it. That's as sincere as it gets and it was absolutely warranted.

We will end this discussion now for the good of all.

Yes, let's.

>>8745251
If you take it thats exactly what it doesnt tell you.

>>8749663
Did you actually try lsd? If not you haven't got a clue in my opinion...

>>8750068
I think this is a perfectly legit statement, but it remains purely a subjective statement. I think philosophical groundwork is imperative, as well as staying stricly critical about your experiences.

To me they are the embodiment of the dionysian principle.

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>>8745227
The Ego Tunnel. Not necessarily about psych substances but more along the lines of trippy experiments you can do with your ego/self as well as lucid dreaming and such. Good easy read.

>>8745227
I don't like saying this and evoking memories but:
> don't do acid if you're anxious or paranoid more than an average person
It WILL fuck you up, especially if you don't have a good-hearted "guide" with you for the experience.
Trust me, I was fucked after one trip when a joker I barely knew said he and his pals are gonna kidnap me. I was with a bunch of people I didn't know I got paranoid and ran away. The depression and paranoia lasted for two years after...
Be careful.

>>8745227
I read this whole thread without a single mention of 4 aco dmt

>>8745227
Drugs or even sleep deprivation will alter your state of mind by harming your brain. Long term drug use is a little like a lobotomy, you're permanently turning off parts of your brain.

Try meditation, hypnosis or lucid dreaming.

>>8752286
>try getting some back-bone

>>8752286
>Long term drug use is a little like a lobotomy, you're permanently turning off parts of your brain.
do all drugs do this?

>>8752286
>Long term drug use is a little like a lobotomy, you're permanently turning off parts of your brain
Half truth. Psychedelics destroy old neural pathways but also create new ones. Yes drugs change you, but thats not inherently a bad thing

>>8751923
I've done acid 3 times.

>>8746594
>there are definitely adverse effects with nmda antagonists and long-term abuse seems to result in diminished cognitive abilities and memory loss

Can attest, k-holed a few times in one week and noticed a marked reduction in verbal acuity and working memory, still recovering after a month :(

>>8753146

>Nice, you have a good clue then

Did acid 3 times myself and some assorted funghi!
Enjoy your calculus good sir

Noumenautics

>>8752030
I have some in my freezer. I cant wait to try it. Everyone says its the best tryptamine there is

>>8753407
Thanks papa u 2

hey guise, i love drugs. I did 3-meo yesterday morning then did two lines of white cocaine, yumm. I was dissociated the fuck out the whole day, then topped it off with some baby lines, they were tiny for sure but they hit like a brick, no pun intended

I drop acid every other week. I used to smoke pot but eh, weed got boring. Molly, alcohol, acid, dmt, mescaline, ayahuasca soon man i am on the psychedelic train. The age old hippy question is how much is too much?

I love my life and yeah sometimes my use of substances disrupts other things i want to do (like my sleep) but honestly life is always like that, everything you do gets in the way of everything else you want to do, in some way

OP, it's a shame nobody has given you a clear answer. Here's my suggestions.
>Plotinus' Enneads
>Corpus Hermeticum
>Tibetan Book of the Dead
>The Cloud of Unknowing
>Dark Night of the Soul
>Conference of the Birds
>Complete Rumi
>The Doors of Perception
>Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
>True Hallucinations
>Food of the Gods
>The Teachings of Don Juan

>>8746381
good post

>>8755543

Thanks, I'll take a look at these.