So this Rousseau retard really thought that pre-social man was

>>8713543
>The investigations we may enter into, in treating this subject, must not be considered as historical truths, but only as mere conditional and hypothetical reasonings, rather calculated to explain the nature of things, than to ascertain their actual origin; just like the hypotheses which our physicists daily form respecting the formation of the world.

Literally the first page, you retarded nigger.

>>8713555
Historical or hypothetical it makes no difference. This is not natural man.

>>8713543
Natural man could only posses so much, so necessarily depended more on close cooperation

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>>8713543
>Natural man
That's a new one.

>>8713543
Stop posting

>>8713571
but as always, from wolves to chimps to spooky modern man, packs, cliques, congregations form, and thus a team of teams competing who seek self power

>>8713543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_rI9ETu0gI

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>>8713571

Wrong.

Anthropologists/archaeologists have noted that among all of the most ancient Human remains there is a common trend: namely that, almost without exception, they have suffered violent deaths.

The state of nature was every man for himself, Hobbes was right.

>>8713707
This, empirically speaking Rousseau is absolutely incorrect. Civilizations occurred due to specialists in violence gaining control and creating what we could call a state in the Weberian notion. This might not have been legitimate however, meaning that this state wasn't necessarily backed by the people out of free will but out of necessity as Hobbes states in his state of nature hypothesis. And this is essentially the history of mankind where specialists in violence create states or civilizations and so on, and then the people start becoming frustrated with being ruled over in, essentially, tyranny. Thus we get the Hegelian anthithesis which results in a synthesis and so on and so on. The reason why the West is relatively stable in comparison to other countries or regions is due to these institutions that were created through this dialectical process of history which enabled a system of checks and balances that was able to maintain order and stability. Most important examples are the Magna Carta, the Black Plague, the Glorious Revolution and of course L' Droit de l'Homme et du Citoyen.

>>8713707

>Hobbes was right.

Sort of. Don't conflate presocial man with man without a sovereign.

>>8713707

There is peace (relatively) in groups, for war against groups. Of course when a chimp has the urge to want something it takes it, and thus groups evolved to attempt to take and defend taking, and then at some point """maybe""" law/enforcement was agreed upon, and war began """""""fairly""""""", lawful economic

>>8713707
How many ancient humans/links were there? How many were discovered?

>>8713882
Yes ignore that shit, it is classic cherry picking. The tiny fraction of deaths that are recorded has a whole lot of different supposed causes. The nature of their finds, often very carefully preserved because they significant or royalty means that non-violent deaths are usually more commonly recorded.

Humans being humans means the idea of a peaceful hippie eden in the past is ridiculous but the archeological record certainly doesn't depict an especially violent history.

>>8713899
>archaeological records certainly doesn't depict an especially violent history

That's incorrect

>>8713906
>>8713899
How about you both post something to back your statements up instead of just declaring each other wrong?

>>8713909
Exactly what? Ötzi the iceman was likely killed by being shot in the back. So that is practically 100% of ice mummies of that era dying a violent death. You're not going to prove a violent or non-violent prehistory with archaeological evidence.

>>8713543
Rousseau and Hobbes both got it wrong. Most historians and anthropologist see it as somewhere in between the two extremes.

>>8713735
>L' Droit

Why does it matter, you autists? The reality of the past isn't what Rousseau was getting at. He was conceiving how a different world would be as a critique of his time. You're enterily missing the point by looking for justifications in the past.