is new sincerity only possible for redditors and the like?

>>8682039
>pic

/r/streetwear

>>8682050
more like r/autism

>>8682039
Expliciate. Exactly which attitudes would ravage your place in society if made visible to the outside world?

all dfw was saying was that it would be nice if contemporary lit stood for something rather than satirized everything in a hiply detached way

its not about comfy sweaters and cats

i think he was probably raging against something that didnt actually need raging against... writers dont have convictions anymore? they dont write about "human troubles and emotions in US life"? sure they do, always have. he was prob thinking of a few famous contemporary authors and was extrapolating into some kind of epidemic.

>>8682039
Was DFW being sincere about his fashion choices? With that bandanna maybe it's good he killed himself.

>>8682075
Misanthropy.

>>8682075
He probably hates foreigners/women, but has rationalised it in such a way that he no longer thinks it sinful and merely objective and nasty truth which eludes all society by their own wilful blindness. Only he in his ecstacy of anxiety can understand how awful they are.
That's the norm on 4chan anyway.

>>8682096
I hate white males the most desu. They've allowed the rest to run amok.

>>8682090
Form tenets of misanthropic philosophy in a series of writings, making sure to be as unironic as possible. Use a pen name. We do break away from reality in art anyway.

Or reject the idea as being misguided, and keep doing your thing. Not everyone has to embrace goy-tier pleasantries.

>>8682090
misanthropy is for losers.
why hate people when you can just not give a shit about them? put your energy into something/someone you give a shit about and if anybody gets in the way of your happiness you can tell them to fuck off and die.

>>8682039
Is that a tin foil hat?

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>>8682039
New Sincerity is bullshit.
The biggest problem with it is that we do not have access to any "sincere" self, when we think we do its simply a fiction.

The real solution is to find the truth in the lie itself.

>>8682194
zizek is just depressed m8.

>>8682189
Is that a tin foil hat?

>>8682227
Why wouldnt you be

>>8682186
People don't choose their likes and dislikes, anon. Otherwise we could simply choose to want whatever is the case in the world right now and all be extremely happy.

>>8682189
>>8682236
Is that a tin foil hat?

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>>8682186
this

>>8682039
Not sure, but sincerity is boring and ironically shallow. So, probably.

>>8682263
because i care about myself.
>>8682272
really? human beings (of which you are one) can be a dislike? you could say you think most people are morons and i'd agree with you but to say you hate all of humanity? that comes from a place of not knowing what type of people you find to be intolerable and also not knowing how to deal with them.

>>8682272
Everyone is a masochist. We enjoy putting ourselves through pain and rage. What anon was saying isn't to do with likes/dislikes, though, it's about actively philosophizing over something so unproductive

>>8682194
New Sincerity is just a rejection of irony.

>>8682306
Misanthropy is a general dislike for humanity, not personally hating each individual.

>>8682189
no those are glasses

>>8682333
it actually kind of is and misanthropy always come from a place of personal experience.
hating humanity always comes from a standpoint of not understanding humanity in others and especially in yourself.

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>>8682351
>humanity is good and any other opinion means you don't understand

>>8682039

Actions are where one shows their sincerity.
Words are what we use to make excuses for why we aren't doing what we know we should be doing instead. Or to explain to the children in the ghetto why we are content to just fuck around and get drunk and do "arts."

>>8682317
>New Sincerity is just a rejection of irony.

No it isn't, its a rejection of any sort of spacing between what you believe to be your thoughts and emotions from what you express. Aside from Irony advocates of New Sincerity also abandon claims of pretension and "inauthentic" cynicism or belief among others

It's not that complicated lads. Just have a good heart.

>>8682426
Or if you're like DFW and realize you don't have a good heart, kill yourself.

>>8682370
>thinking that means humanity is good
that doesn't mean humanity is good you dumbfuck autist.
the fact that you see humanity as a black/white situation shows you have zero idea of what humanity is like. but keep thinking everyone sucks because you're a boring sack of shit nobody likes.

>>8682437
Different guy. This is a nonsense criticism. All people on the basis of being isolated self interested consciousness contain a priori qualities and drives that can be legitimately viewed as unworthy of admiration. Regardless of whether you agree with the claim or not its clear there is ample room to make totalizing claims about humans.

>>8682437
There are traits that all humans share. If you dislike those traits enough it's sufficient reason to say you dislike humanity.

Pretty simple reasoning.

>>8682447
>people suck because they care about themselves therefore they all suck
i like how you have to be so logical and intellectual about hating people to make up for your small penis probably.
you hate humanity because you hate yourself. try caring about yourself first then maybe you'll be fit to make "totalizing claims" about humanity.
>>8682458
sure you're free to deny and dislike (your own) humanity but don't claim your reasoning to hold any weight when you want to play the "detached saint" role.

Sincerity only becomes a social problem when the person expressing his opinions doesn't understand how to do so tactfully. I'm a Trump supporter, have a view of Islam that would make the normal Christian-hating atheist piddle in his trousers for fear of being called a bigot-by-association, and believe the biggest problem facing black people in America is black Americans themselves. As a summary, it sounds like those are views that could not be communicated to the average person in a way that would receive anything other than scorn, ridicule, or outright hostility, but they aren't.
You need to know your audience; know when it is appropriate to bring up what topics and how. I've had civil conversations with American blacks about the problems with their culture which end amiably and open us to further social interaction, which happens. I've had civil conversations with feminists (that usually turn passionate and heated) about why they're dead fucking wrong about the things they care most about, and they still call me up to see if we can grab lunch. The most recent date I went on was with an Algerian Muslim girl who was surprised by my knowledge of Islamic tradition and understood why I so despised the faith she was born into and continues to loosely practice, we have another date set up for later this month.
Being sincere with unpopular or "hateful" opinions does not mean they have to, in any way, be perceived that way. As with any idea, or personal truth, the acceptance (or tolerance) by another is entirely dependent on the way it is presented, and has almost nothing at all to do with the content of the idea or your character.
tl;dr If you're not an autist, being sincere will not cost you a goddamn thing.

>>8682429
fr tho what do you do in this position

>>8682501
>when you want to play the "detached saint" role.
Where do you get this?

>>8682501
Ah taking up the throw random shit at the wall and hope for something to stick approach, very intelligent

>>8682506
>I'm a Trump supporter, have a view of Islam that would make the normal Christian-hating atheist piddle in his trousers for fear of being called a bigot-by-association
totally unique and unheard of.

>>8682506
Thank for your words of intelligent wisdom oh wise Trump supporter

>>8682501
>you hate humanity because you hate yourself.
What kind of Jewish psychology is this?

Would you say that to a rape victim regarding her hatred of the rapist?

>>8682533
Didn't read the whole post before responding, didya?

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>>8682540
>ever reading a post past "I'm a Trump supporter"

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>>8682533
>>8682536
>>8682545
>on a board about literature
>can't figure out the important parts of a paragraph
I don't know how I can forget I'm on 4chan.

>>8682521
>>8682519
you've got nothing then?

>>8682559
>Ah I see you got nothing to respond to my nothing

>>8682559
What is there to have?

I say I dislike humanity, you say I dislike it because I don't understand it. You don't provide any argument for this position.

"You just don't get it brah" isn't a compelling position.

>>8682537
hating her rapist =/= hating humanity

>>8682567
you've got nothing then.
>>8682568
and i'm supposed to show you evidence to help you understand how humans work?
the fact that you approach humanity in this scientific way says everything about the way you interact with people and as a result how you view them.

>>8682601
Man just stop posting, you're not even saying anything. Go figure out what you actually think before getting this riled up

>>8682554
>important parts
>shitty anecdotes about having the rhetorical one-up on a bunch of minorities
please kill yourself.

>>8682606
you say you dislike humanity because you don't like certain traits while for this to happen you'd have to deny those traits in yourself and their function. this makes you unfit to be a proper judge of humanity. how do you not understand this?

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>>8682611
>being on a board about literature
>not being able to extract the point of sharing anecdotes
You really are retarded, aren't you? Sometimes, in writing, people tell stories to make a point, or explain a "moral." In the case of this brief passage, the author is intending to explain that even the opinions that are commonly held to be "offensive" or "hateful" can be explained, even to people for whom the ideas could be said to effect the most, in a sincere manner without drawing the ire of those people, or to have them reflect negatively on their opinion of you. The purpose of this was to respond to the OP asking if people and ideas outside of the mainstream can be expressed sincerely without social stigmatization.
You understand it now, or did I just use some words you're not familiar with?

>>8682624
Wrong person retard, nice comprehension skills

>>8682624
>all these assumptions
Why would you have to deny those traits in yourself? You can dislike humanity including yourself.

>>8682680
>has nothing to say, claims he's someone else
you already switched your identity once and you're going to do it again?

>>8682661
>being this buttmad about being called out for feeling proud about rhetorical one-ups on people who are easy to get rhetorical one-ups on
again, kill yourself.

>>8682683
because if you accepted and understood those traits you hate in yourself and humanity so much the blind hatred wouldn't be there.

>>8682050
Man that's fucking awful. I can't think of anything lamer than trying to buy a personality because you don't have one.

>>8682713

Why blind hatred, anon? Just curious.

>>8682412
Holy shit, just Google the damn thing, because what I said clearly isn'tgood enough.

Do you people always just make assumptions about terms and phrase because of what they sound like? Without looking any further into the matter?

no because the ugly, creepy sincere is more sincere than the acceptable, know what I mean?

>>8682720
because you hate it without understanding it.

>>8682713
>if you accept and understand rape you won't hate rape

you're a strange lad.

>>8682039
My diarrhea desu

>>8682728
Yeah because there is no official definition you autistic looner. I'm basing my understanding of the term through the only legitimate way how, the tendencies and attitudes of the arists and writers its based on. Where the fuck did you idea of it come from?

>>8683327
Videos of interviews with authors on the subject, various, articles, essays,

>>8683406
Great now provide me with one of them that states New Sincerity is exclusively about a rejection of irony

>>8683413
I lied to you, I have no idea what I'm talking about.

>>8682039

Society is not sincere. You disavowing your own sincerity is not sincere.

Sincerity is just an aspect of integrity.

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>this thread

>>8682802
>equating humanity and rape
nice projection.

Tell me about DFW, why does he wear the bandanna?

>>8682039
Is that a tin foil hat?

>>8682087
i hate you
only a stupid pleb mind like yours could come up with this bullshit

>>8684411
why is it bullshit

>>8684789
because >>8684411 is a child. You're absolutely right; DFW was "raging against something that didnt actually need raging against." He spent too much time in graduate school and came out with only the skills to imitate already established artists and had really didactic theories on art. He long has his themes and philosophies ready to distribute before he can actually create a beautiful piece, which is why it always comes across so ugly and instructional.
Luckily this won't be so hotly debated in 20 years when America establishes real artists who are young and great, like Delillo and Pynchon once were.

>>8682458
>There are traits that all humans share.

what are they and why don't you like them?

>>8684285
I'm not equating, just substituting the subject in order to show you the structure of your argument.

>>8684872
you are in a very idiotic fashion.
you're equating rape to specific traits in humanity. the difference between those traits and rape is that those traits are an inevitable function of society whereas rape clearly isn't. but keep drawing rape analogies whenever you feel your distorted and fragile worldview is in danger.

>>8684911
Rape is an inevitable function of society (or at least humanity) as far as we know though. There has never been a rapeless one.

>>8684925
>Rape is an inevitable function of society (or at least humanity)
society or humanity? pick one. if you say rape happens in society that's true but that's not what we were talking about. if you're saying rape is an inevitable function of humanity which is what we were talking about you're a fucking retard who should probably hang out on pol and/or kill yourself.

>>8684968
Why do you think rape isn't an inevitable function of humanity? Or murder for that matter? People have been killing for as long as we exist, and our pre-human ancestors have as well.

Hell, rape didn't even exist until someone invented the concept of consent. Fucking and killing is pretty much our modus operandi.

>>8685002
>trying to change the topic entirely
do you really think using rape/murder as an argument for hating people is valid? i know you're an autistic retard but you're willfully going full retard.

>>8685026
Are those not good reasons to dislike people?

>>8685031
only if everyone rape and murdered. i'm pretty sure you were samefagging the entire time with different arguments, please kill yourself.

>>8682088
Kek

>>8685092
So if only 99% of humanity raped and murdered that would be not reason enough to dislike humanity?

>>8685854
>>8685031

>I hate humans because they do bad things to other humans... whom I also hate.

Hmmm.

>>8685897
I dislike the harm doing aspects of humanity but I still feel empathy when they are subjected to it.

Pretty reasonable stance for a non-psychopath.

>>8682506
this insane lack of self awareness is only achievable on anonymous forums

>>8682661
Please shoot yourself

>>8686000
In other words, you aren't a misanthrope. You're just bitter and angry.

>>8686050
Hating something does not mean you want it tortured, psycho.

>>8686070
Then you have never felt true hate.

Hate is the complete removal or inversion of all empathetic or sympathetic connection. Hate is something you feel in every inch of your body, whenever you come into contact with the object of your hatred, it is maddening, and gratifying, and the worst emotion you can ever have.

>>8682661
take the gun you keep in your car for when black people come up to your window and literally blow ur brains out

>>8686134
something something a rival's existence something on his enemies existence something

>>8682661
The only crime is being boring. Incarcerate yourself, newfaggot.

>>8682189
Is that a tin foil hat? >:^(

>>8686134
fear precedes hate dumbfuck

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>>8682096
Your post in a nutshell

>>8682087
He did make the argument that contemporary lit was simply detached hipster bullshit, but he claimed that this was a product of popular culture which is affecting the American population at large. If you watch his interviews, he says this blatantly, especially in regards to politics. Given our current situation, I don't think things are getting any better from when he made these observations.

Could someone explain to me what new sincerety is? I don't read much contemporary American literature.

From what I've read, it looks like a fucking meme. "Reject irony. Write about things as they are. Muh single-entendre." Honestly, it feels like dumbing down literature to the point where it becomes boring but easily digestable, in the name of rebellion. It's not even original, people have done this without the "I want my deep feefees untainted by irony" justification.

It's like when musicians label their music as "Indie-garage-suburban-punk", because it can't be just punk, even though it sounds exactly the same.

>>8687606

I can't tell if this is new sincerity, or some sort of bait or both? Indie-garage-suburban-new-sincerity-bait?

>>8687383
Fortunately right wing populist nationalism is on the rise all over the Western world.

>>8687702
Nah it's just Hungary, Poland, Britain, and you yanks.

people who study literature are really unintelligent.

here's proof:

You have a line of 10 lightbulbs in a row. a lightbulb can only be turned on if there is not a light adjacent to it which is turned on.

How many different allowed onn/off arrangements are there of the ten lights in a row ?


This is an elementary maths question that hs absolutely no pre-requisites mathematically except for knowing how to count, yet probably not a single literature person on this board will possess enough problem-solving intelligence to be able to answer this question.

They instead think that being intelligent is about who can come up with the most snappy comment, lol.

What intellectual light-weights.
This is why nobody respects them.

>>8687442
You have a hard time finding contemporary novels that are about "human troubles and emotions"?

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>>8687816
Hello.

>>8687816
>implying the FN isnt going to do it first

people who study STEM are really unintelligent.

here's proof:

When hamlet fights laertes in ophelia's grave, the quarto text reads "S’wounds, shew me what th’owt doe" while the folio text reads "Come show me what thou'lt doe"

why do most modern editions use the quarto version for this line when they usually use the folio as a baseline?


This is an elementary literature question that hs absolutely no experiential pre-requisites except for knowing how to read, yet probably not a single STEM person on this board will possess enough critical-thinking intelligence to be able to answer this question.

They instead think that being intelligent is about who can come up with combinations of lightbulbs, lol.

What intellectual light-weights.
This is why nobody respects them.

>>8688219
>no essential pre-requisites
>implying they would know what "s'wounds" refers to

>>8682719
That's our entire society now though
Identity marketing ha is by the balls
When was the last time you got to know someone and they described themselves beyond what their preferred media to consume is?

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>>8688582
>When was the last time you got to know someone

The assumption that people should be completely open and share every part of themselves is deeply harmful.

>>8688219
So i'm supposed to infer meaning from a metaphor laden manuscript that was written without standardized spelling in an archaic dialect with no formal training?

Go fuck yourself.

>>8687826
thats an annoying algebraic brainteaser that I could find the answer to in 5 minutes by searching for it on google.

Now who wasted whos time?

>>8682039
i hope every one of you fags has some inner solace and is having a good time of it all, regardless of your ideology, origins, and tastes.

how's that for new sincerity?

>>8682039
TIN FOIL HAT ALERT!

>>8688219
>>8688219
On the contrary, this does require pre-requisite knowledge such as familiarity with Elizabethan English to answer as well as arbitrary dramatic traditions. There's no way to logically deduce what the reasoning behind their decision is from first principles . They might have done it for the sake of tradition , to show modern audiences what the more archaic version and preserve the text in some form rather than allow all forms of the play to drift with contemporary language usage, or they could easily have chosen their preference for some other reason.


where as the question here >>8687826
Literally only requires as pre-requisite knowledge knowing how to count and what it means for things to be in a row and the question is a test of pure problem solving ability and reasoning .

Poor butthurt literature kid , suffering from such mental fog that he cannot think or reason precisely about anything .

>>8688704
That problem isn't about and doesn't use algebra. It's just observational problem solving, then at the end you add a few numbers together.

>b-b-but I c-c-could google it

Drop out, brainlet

>>8688806
wholesome, but you're probably lying. no... not being ironic; just lies.

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>>8682506
stories you come up with in your occasional showers aren't meaningful anecdotes and they don't justify your autism

>>8689333 (You)

>>8682506
>>>/pol/ is that way>>>